That’s A Wrap: Team offense

  • 04/09/2018 9:50 am in

Welcome to “That’s A Wrap,” our recap of the 2017-2018 Indiana Hoosiers. Up next: Team offense.

Final stats (31 games): 71.9 ppg, 45.6 FG%, 51.1 eFG%, 32.2 3PFG%, 18.2 TO%, 31.8 OR%, 36.4% FTR.

As is typically the case following a coaching change, Indiana’s offense underwent significant changes in the 2017-18 season.

Under Tom Crean, the Hoosiers frequently put an efficient offensive team on the floor with one major caveat. Crean’s Indiana teams often posted some of the best shooting numbers in the country, but struggled with turnovers. And in the instances when Indiana wasn’t hitting from the perimeter under Crean, the Hoosiers didn’t have much to fall back on. It was, at times, a feast or famine style of offense.

Archie Miller’s first Indiana team wasn’t elite offensively, but the Hoosiers still finished in the top 100 in Ken Pomeroy’s adjusted offensive efficiency metric.

The one major improvement Indiana exhibited in year one of the Miller era was improvement in taking care of the ball. After finishing 322nd nationally in turnover percentage in the 2016-2017 season, Indiana moved up to 164th nationally in 2017-2018. The team turnover percentage dropped from 21.4 percent to 18.2 percent.

The Hoosiers played a more controlled, deliberate pace under Miller, which was an adjustment for many of the players on the roster. For the season, Indiana played the 251st fastest pace in the country.

Two other strengths of Indiana’s offense this past season were getting to the free throw line and offensive rebounding. Indiana ranked 89th nationally in free throw rate (FTA/FGA) and in conference games, the Hoosiers were fifth in free throw rate. However, Indiana failed to capitalize on those numbers because of poor free throw shooting. The Hoosiers ranked just 331st nationally in free throw percentage at 65.7.

Indiana finished the season ranked 74th in the country in offensive rebounding percentage. In conference play, the Hoosiers had the Big Ten’s seventh best offensive rebounding percentage. The best example of IU’s strength on the offensive glass came in a narrow 63-60 loss to Michigan State on Feb. 3 when the Hoosiers grabbed 49 percent of their missed shots.

A major area of regression for Indiana’s offense was its perimeter shooting. After ranking in the top 50 nationally in each of the previous three seasons in 3-point shooting, the Hoosiers fell all the way down to 307th nationally in Miller’s first season. No player on the roster finished with a 3-point shooting percentage over 40 and the team’s 3-point percentage was 32.2.

Bottom Line: One frequent complaint from Indiana fans in the Crean era was Indiana’s inability to take care of the ball and Miller went right to work in correcting that problem in his first season on the job. The Hoosiers still weren’t great at taking care of the ball, but did make significant strides. The shooting woes, however, really limited Indiana’s ability to play with elite teams. There were several contests in which Indiana played elite competition close – Duke, Purdue and Michigan State, to name a few – but the Hoosiers simply didn’t have the offensive firepower late in games to keep pace. That problem should be rectified in future seasons as Indiana’s talent level is upgraded via recruiting.

Quotable: “I thought we played extremely hard and we brought the fight to the game that we needed. Offensively they had a lot to do with the numbers, just in terms of impacting the rim and the field goal percentage offense with their shot blocking and their size, made it hard on us. And clearly we weren’t able to dial it up from 3 again. But credit our guys. I thought they really fought hard and played hard. We’re getting, especially against some really good teams right now, you know, the last two to three minutes just having to find a way to make a couple of plays. And I think that’s what teams who know how to win do, teams like Michigan State and Purdue. With two minutes on the line they know they’re going to win.” – Miller after Indiana’s loss against Michigan State and IU’s inability to make offensive plays late in close games.

PreviouslyJustin SmithAl Durham Jr.Clifton MooreDevonte GreenDe’Ron DavisZach McRobertsJuwan MorganFreddie McSwainTim PrillerJosh NewkirkCollin Hartman, Robert Johnson

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  • inCMitrust

    I just happen to believe there is no way that Taylor was coming to IU if Romeo did. Why would he; they play the same position and Taylor only has 1 year of eligibility left. Your asking Romeo to make a decision maybe at the most 2 weeks earlier not 6 months. This is crunch time for transfers and IU holding up a slot that is valuable. I believe Romeo has made a decision and that is why I have this view point. Guys that are going pro have already announced and the ones that didn’t hire agents won’t be making decisions until after Romeo announces. So team make up is as settled as it will be for awhile.

  • IdahoHoosier

    You’re very focused on a select few words I used. Why not also on “work ethic”, another term I used? I’m referring to the culture and behavior related to basketball and being on a basketball team as defined by IU and Archie Miller. As I already replied above, I can only go off the bits we’ve heard Archie say or actions he has demonstrated as to what the specifics of his expectations are in regards to his basketball team.

  • inCMitrust

    Thanks, but I was being literal. I’m an IU fan and I want us on top again. If Romeo goes elsewhere and we lost Taylor because Romeo has to be pushed to make a decision that pisses me off. I’m more concerned about our team. If you don’t think coachk, self or calipari tell players they need a decision I disagree. On the flip side, I think Coach must be fully commited to getting Romeo if it is true that Taylor had interest in IU.

  • coachv

    mute. lol

  • coachv

    i never heard miller state he was recruiting taylor but if he was, he may have told taylor he would have to wait for langford to make his decision. perhaps taylor felt he could not afford to wait any longer or his best options would have dried up

  • inCMitrust

    Oops.

  • Speed

    For a team that simply could not shoot the three or make free throws I thought they did pretty well on offense! All in all they were much improved from last year.

  • coachv

    i’m going to go out on a limb a little bit here and guess you never watched south dakota play this season

  • marcusgresham

    That’s the importance of offensive rebounding. You can shoot a lower percentage if you get more chances. If you don’t have a hope of getting the rebound you better put it in the hole the first time you shoot.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    TF???

  • marcusgresham

    It’s “moot,” not “mute.”

  • IdahoHoosier

    How can you tout your inclusive desires while explaining why a certain group should be excluded? I appreciate your background and experiences that have led to your opinions, but if you have ever felt excluded by a group and disliked it, why do the same back to them?

    Thankfully neither you nor I have anything to do with IU basketball on an operational level, so our opinions (mine I withheld, yours you’ve expressed often) don’t matter much in regards to player expectations. I understand you “felt” a certain way under Crean’s coaching, but based on what evidence other than your gut feeling?

    The malicious intent is assumed based on the fact that you’ve made it clear you wish to exclude one specific group of people for their behavior or beliefs. I guess as long as it is a group of people you disagree with then it is inclusive behavior to exclude them? I’m sorry man but it just isn’t for you to decide “how much religion is enough” for an individual person who isn’t you. I get your stance, but I’d love to see you stop calling out anyone (Christian or otherwise) to make it clear they shouldn’t be welcome at IU. If you don’t agree with their cause stop drawing attention to it!

  • marcusgresham

    Well, if he’d like to get me a birthday present he can commit to IU on the 14th.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Agreed and well put. This is an entire athletic department and administrators gone awry.

  • IdahoHoosier

    We have to consider that no matter how great IU’s recruiting efforts are sometimes a kid just wants to go elsewhere. I hope IU under Archie makes intent and expectations (for work ethic, culture, behavior, etc.) very clear and doesn’t try to force anyone to come to IU who doesn’t fit. Not unlike a romantic relationship there are many factors that need to align to make it work in the long term. If timing, location, culture, background, goals (the list goes on and on) don’t match up, then it isn’t best for that kid to come to IU.

    I’m just saying we can’t always blame the sales pitch or the recruiters for not landing a recruit. Many things are outside of IU’s control and we have to respect a young man for making a decision he feels fits his needs best.

  • inCMitrust

    I have been censored for a comment on MSU so I won’t add much more, but I believe in the three strike rule. Pitino at UofL got there and got fired. Did Pitino know all that was going on? I really don’t know, but at some point it doesn’t matter and you get fired. Izzo is there.

  • coachv

    still have my #40 jersey i wear for game days. i bet 99% of the people here have never even seen taylor play

  • Koko

    No but if you google Taylor you will find all kinds of stuff to read. Maybe your answer will be there.
    By the way have you forgotten how to use capital letters?

  • Hoosier Hall

    Gang behavior? That would imply that the upvote was also gang behavior… I just like the idea of up and down votes because it gives the commenter an indication of how many others agree/disagree with them. The votes have the power to encourage and alienate. Double edged sword.

  • inCMitrust

    I agree with what you wrote, but at some point you may have to tell a recruit no matter how good he is that you need a shooting guard next year and I can’t wait anymore. First one to sign gets the scholarship. Maybe Taylor never was interested in IU so what I wrote is moot, but he would have been a great fit on the team next year and now we have to play against him.

  • AndyCapp

    Wow, did I start a conversation!. Thanks to bball for sticking up, Mark for the discourse, coachv, et al.

    To Mark I will say that my point is not to exclude ANY players which fill our need. If we are putting all our eggs in one basket, as it appears in the case of Romeo because no other targets are being promoted… AT ALL, then we may be VERY disappointed that we didn’t recruit other players like RT more aggressively.

    Yes I would like RL in candy stripes. But if he goes elsewhere we STILL need outside shooters and the pickings are getting slimmer the longer we wait for him to make up his mind.

  • I’ll bet Archie would have been happy to sign both Taylor and Romeo. That said, there’s no way you say to a player of Romeo’s caliber, “We need someone at your position and we can’t wait any longer for you to decide.” Romeo’s arguably the best basketball talent to emerge from Indiana in years (outside of maybe Eric Gordon, Romeo is the best from the state in decades) and he seems a perfect fit for the program. No way you jeopardize landing him by pushing him to decide more quickly than he’s ready to do.

  • IdahoHoosier

    You today made a comment that we don’t want Matt Mooney because he is a “religious freak”. You seek out these young guy’s Twitter feeds then get upset about them. Stop reading them! Their Twitter has nothing to do with IU basketball and if IU took issue they’d handle it. You’re just looking for reasons to get upset or persecute people who believe differently than you. Move on man.

  • IdahoHoosier

    You are the only guy who keeps bringing up religion in this forum! Take your own advice and be quiet about it!

  • I honestly don’t even get why losing RT is such a huge deal to some people. The kid became available, was pursued by a number of programs, and picked a great school with a good coach and with all of the incidentals that you identify here. He didn’t pick IU, and I have a news flash or anyone who’s broken up by that fact: IU’s not going to land every kid the coaching staff pursues. And there will be any number of reasons why not, the vast majority of which will have nothing to do with the coaching staff’s recruiting abilities or effort.

  • Dsct1

    I’m sure I’m late on this one, but is the Jones kid leaving Kentucky an option.

  • HOOSIERS76!

    Agreed. He was always going to have only one year of eligibility anyway. The same with RL. Either we get him or we don’t. It’s a monumental waste of time and energy to try to guess why 18 year old recruits make the decisions they do. I’d rather discuss players who have already demonstrated a strong desire to be at IU playing for Archie, such as our incoming recruiting class and other young kids, if any, who have made it known that IU is their dream destination even if not yet formally committed.

  • MrNobody

    Thought quote from arch summed up season. At end of season felt like even with a team full of holes that we could hang with anyone. Only brighter days ahead

  • I knew your question was a loaded one. I’ll give my own answer: of course, whether a player belongs in a program is influenced by culture and behavior. For example, for Archie, I submit it’s being a strong competitor, a hard worker, being willing to commit to playing defense, being a team player, and being a kid who adheres to the rules. I get that from what Archie has said, how he’s run the program at IU so far, and how he ran the program at Dayton. In fact, I think anyone who’s followed the program closely would likely give a similar answer.

    Now, what exactly are _you_ talking about?

  • MrNobody

    Just as you have the right to GO THERE n CHECK OUT he has the right to say what he wants. Its America people. Don’t like it don’t seek it. There are a lot of things in this world I don’t agree with. If I run across it I get out of the situation not put myself in it.

  • inCMitrust

    If moot is true disregard everything I posted today. lol

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Big news just released on 3 Michigan State basketball players. Looks to me that MSU may not see another season with Izzo on the court. I really loathe MSU.

  • inCMitrust

    True indeed. Corrected.

  • inCMitrust

    Just a week ago a couple players pleaded guilty to sexual mischief or some bullshit lowered charge on a rape charge. This is a completely different charge I believe. With the football player rape charges, now multiple basketball charges, all the gymnastic charges, administration charges and whatever else comes out it is not only the end of Izzo, but a deserving death penalty.

  • inCMitrust

    What is going on up there is worse than strippers at UofL, fake classes at NC or paying players everywhere. There is ample proof from what I have read that the administration not only knew about a lot of the stuff going on up there, but knowingly suppressed and hid the charges from the police.

  • HOOSIERS76!

    As far as the RT situation, I don’t think you can fault our coaching staff. When you look at some basic facts, it’s not one of those choices that makes you scratch your head and wonder what kind of bogus advice did this kid get. Considering Ryan is from Gary and he attended a private military academy in Wisconsin less than 2 hours north of Chicago, he likely is very familiar with the city and family is nearby. Additionally, he majored in Exercise Physiology at University of Evansville and I’m sure that Northwestern has an excellent graduate program related to that. Possibly one of the best in the country. While I’m disappointed as Evansville is my hometown, I don’t see it as a negative of any kind as far as our coaching staff. I do believe that the timing of the RL situation didn’t help as RT likely wanted to get his decision made and plan for an early enrollment. And, as others have already discussed, I don’t believe RT was going to go to IU just to see his minutes diminished by a freshman, no matter how good the kid is.

  • John D Murphy

    I was just starting to like you too. Ha. I’m enjoying your posts but I completely disagree on this one.

  • inCMitrust

    I compared the MSU situation to UofL, North Carolina, others and strongly stated that MSU is worse.

  • I simply think it’s a fallacy to suggest that the coaching staff isn’t pursuing every option. We fans might be concentrating 99% on Romeo, but I’m willing to bet any amount of money that the coaching staff is working hard to make sure we’re covered. And they’re the ones who matter.

  • inCMitrust

    Well s..t. I may have done that. As my son would say, don’t use “bad” words. He is 8 and refers to all basketball as “go IU”.

  • IdahoHoosier

    You have every right to check Twitter feeds. Also the right to not look at them. Bottom line is you brought this stuff to this forum (just you, to at least 2 threads now) I appreciate your opinions, but you created something here out of a non forum issue. This argument is based purely on your disliking religious expression on Twitter!

  • zenthias

    Religious freak? ….sigh

    Dude…what is wrong with you? Why do you care so much about other peoples religious beliefs? Their beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with what they do on the court or in the classroom. And don’t give me that nonsense about public institution blah blah. That does not apply to personal twitter.

    And putting lol after every dig you make doesn’t make it better. If someone’s Twitter bothers you that much stop looking at it.

  • Stop with the religion stuff.

  • Sandra Wilson

    I would guess that with each guard people see going to another school, Hoosiers become more worried about facing next year with our present guard situation or one that’s not much better. To me, that would mean a worse year than this season and may also push JM to leave early, which would make the team even less productive. It’s not worth getting upset about, but it would be nice to be able to look forward to an improved season next year. In your later comment, I’m not sure why you think we will be significantly improved in shooting for next season.

  • VOXAC30

    This was about Prestige and Money and it is disgraceful that the University is more interested in protecting itself from embarrassment and preserving its cash flow then the welfare of it’s female athletes as well as its female student body. Athletes getting away with rape while ignoring the rape of female athletes I guess as long as the money keeps coming in….. all is good. WHAT A DISGRACE.

    The lady who came forward was under 21 (still a kid in my view) was raped by three male athletes. There is no way someone forgets about this. It is not smoking dope off campus she was possibly drugged and Gang Rape by three athletes and it will scar this young lady for life and the school covered it up.

    “we have had many other students in the same situation who have reported, and it has been very traumatic for them.” Plaintiff was told by the MSUCC staff that they had seen a lot of these cases with “guys with big names” and the best thing to do is to “just get yourself better” implying to the Plaintiff that it would not be in the Plaintiff’s best interest to report the incident to law enforcement. Plaintiff was expressly told by MSUCC staff that “if you pursue this, you are going to be swimming with some really big fish.”

  • coachv

    yes. can u teach me?

  • coachv

    how many evansville games did u watch?

  • coachv

    what’s tf?

  • Koko

    No but you can google that too. Plenty of websites that teach 3rd and 4th grade writing classes. It should be fun for you to go way back in time.

  • coachv

    all of this is assuming miller even recruited taylor. just because taylor allegedly expressed interest in indiana doesn’t mean the interest was mutual. if miller did not want taylor, why should we be concerned?