Indiana picked to finish ninth in Big Ten in official unofficial media poll

  • 10/17/2017 10:52 am in

Last month, we shared Big Ten picks from several of the preseason college basketball preview publications: Athlon Sports, Lindy’s Sports, Street and Smith’s and Blue Ribbon.

And last week, we shared Inside the Hall’s preseason Big Ten predictions as submitted to the official unofficial media poll, resurrected this year by Brendan F. Quinn of The Athletic and Adam Jardy of The Columbus Dispatch.

The poll surveyed 28 writers from around the league to get their full predicted order of finish for the league, preseason all-league team, preseason player of the year and preseason freshman of the year.

Earlier today, Quinn published all of the particulars from the poll over at The Athletic. Indiana came in at ninth in the official unofficial Big Ten media poll:

1. Michigan State (28 – unanimous)
2. Purdue (80)
3. Minnesota (90)
4. Northwestern (115)
T-5. Maryland (155)
T-5. Michigan (155)
7. Wisconsin (168)
8. Iowa (204)
9. Indiana (270)
10. Penn State (280)
11. Ohio State (314)
12. Illinois (315)
13. Nebraska (362)
14. Rutgers (376)

The most bullish prediction on the Hoosiers was Zach Osterman of The Indianapolis Star, who projected a seventh place finish. And the least optimistic projection on IU comes from Quinn, who picked IU to finish 12th.

Unsurprisingly, Michigan State’s Miles Bridges was voted the Big Ten player of the year and his teammate, Jaren Jackson, was voted the freshman of the year. Bridges was a unanimous pick and Maryland freshman Bruno Fernando was the only player besides Jackson to receive a vote in the freshman of the year voting.

First Team All-Big Ten
Miles Bridges, Michigan State (28 – unanimous)
Ethan Happ, Wisconsin (28 – unanimous)
Moritz Wagner, Michigan (20)
Nate Mason, Minnesota (19)
Bryant McIntosh, Northwestern (18)

Also receiving votes: Vincent Edwards (12), Amir Coffey (2), Nick Ward (2), Carsen Edwards (1), Jae’Sean Tate (1), Isaac Haas (1), Jordan Murphy (1)

A complete list of ballots is available here. And a complete list of voters is available below:

Full panel: 28 voters, 2 from each beat
Scott Richey — Illinois | Champaign News-Gazette
Jeremy Werner — Illinois | Scout
Alex Bozich — Indiana | Inside The Hall
Zach Osterman — Indiana | Indianapolis Star
Mark Emmert — Iowa | Des Moines Register
Chad Leistikow — Iowa | The Des Moines Register
Don Markus — Maryland | The Baltimore Sun
Roman Stubbs — Maryland | The Washington Post
Dylan Burkhardt — Michigan | UMHoops
Brendan Quinn — Michigan | The Athletic
Matt Charboneau — Michigan State | Detroit News
Chris Solari — Michigan State | Detroit Free Press
Marcus Fuller — Minnesota | Minneapolis Star Tribune
Chad Graff — Minnesota | Chad Graff
Chris Basnett — Nebraska | Lincoln Journal Star
Lee Barfknecht — Nebraska | Omaha World-Herald
Teddy Greenstein — Northwestern | Chicago Tribune
Shannon Ryan — Illinois/Northwestern | Chicago Tribune
Adam Jardy — Ohio State | Columbus Dispatch
Bill Landis — Ohio State | Cleveland.com
Ben Jones — Penn State | StateCollege.com
David Jones — Penn State | The Harrisburg Patriot-News
Nathan Baird — Purdue | Lafayette Journal & Courier
Brian Neubert — Purdue | Rivals
Jerry Carino — Rutgers | Asbury Park Press
Keith Sergeant — Rutgers | NJ.com
Jim Polzin — Wisconsin | Wisconsin State Journal
Jeff Potrykus — Wisconsin | Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

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  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    My opinion is that the list of voters is biased on their geographic location of readers.

  • unclekerfuffle

    I know there are those who will accuse me of wearing crimson colored glasses and drinking gallons of koolaid but I just can’t see this team finishing in the bottom half of the B1G, assuming no injuries.

    Won’t have long to find out

  • Koko

    MSU…yes sans injuries. Purdue second….I had to clean up my keyboard after spitting up my coffee seeing that….no way Purdue ends up second…no way. As far as Minny and Northwestern goes….a lot of people are drooling over these two teams and I just don’t think they will end up in those two spots or higher….sorry all of you stat guys….just my opinion. Those three teams will not be in three of the top four spots when the dust settles. I would replace those three teams with Michigan, Maryland and Wisky and IU coming in at #5.

  • pdhoosier

    It is nuts to me that a player who will crack top 15 all time assist numbers (while spending 2 years with the all time leader), will crack 1,000 pts (again playing side by side with 2 others doing that) and starting from day one, who is a senior gets not even a single vote for any of these special teams…. let’s get it RoJo, hope you finally make them see who you are

  • bball at nick’s

    These rankings don’t mean much to me. The marginal difference between spots 2-9 is going to be so small that one or two more wins/losses for any given team could mean a difference of 2-4 spots. All I’m looking for is a hard-fought, injury-free season with overall improvement as the season progresses.

    Now, having said that, I think we will be deeper than expected, and we will end up in the top 4.

  • HoosierConsumer

    I’m saving the list to remind them later how wrong they were. Preseason polls mean nothing.

  • Mark Bando

    I’d take RJ over McIntosh any day of the week.

  • Mark Bando

    I like your optimism. Im thinking we will be somewhere in the top 7.

  • IdahoHoosier

    A 5-8 place finish I would consider a success. I can understand why IU would be picked 9th and could see it happening. I think this year’s B1G can be won by a team who just flat out plays like they want it more every night. IU has a chance to do something big this year, but they have to go get it!

  • bball at nick’s

    I agree, top 4 and top 7 don’t contradict each other. LOL.

  • N71

    Most of these predictions seem to underestimate the power and impact coaching can have. I don’t think talent is a glaring weakness for us, its just a mystery somewhat how the team will play in the new system. I liken Crean’s system to a diet of kale salads, chi, and kabocha squash smoothies. Archie’s instead is centered on meat and beer. Frankly, meat and beer taste better, is easier to execute, and makes me happy. Top 3 finish.

  • Pat Smith

    Is there really that much talent coming back on eight teams that would make them better than IU? Probably not. Obvious ones like MSU and PU, but I am just not seeing it. Then again, we were ranked third last year and ended up not making the tournament.

  • dwdkc

    Can’t claim these guys are clueless like the national magazines, who seemed to have IU anwhere from 9th-12th with a composite of 10 or 11. They follow the Big 10 and know the players much better. But they have us 9th, between the IU homers and the national know-nothings. Hope they’re wrong. Think they’re wrong. Still underestimating how much some of these pretty talented guys underachieved last year, when we somehow lost our mojo.

  • Ryan Slagle

    Correct. These pundits opinions are just that. Makes victory that much better.

  • Ryan Slagle

    The B1G always works in that manner for the most part. I agree. I also think last years team is hurting our perception

  • Arch Puddington

    It’s just one year, but to support your point, last year Minnesota finished 4th in the conference at 11-7. There was then a 4-way tie for fifth at 10-8. Those teams were only two games away from Wisconsin, who finished 2nd at 12-6. It wasn’t until 9th place — Illinois at 8-10 — that you get into the bad teams.

    It isn’t like that every year — 5 teams finished at 12-6 or better in 2012-13, everyone else was 9-9 or worse — but in general your point is correct. IU won’t win the conference this year, but a couple of games one way or the other will likely spell the difference between 2 or 3rd and 7th or 8th.

  • IdahoHoosier

    Last year IU was poised to finish well, but the team didn’t gel, or buy in, or whatever happened. That was an example of performing below potential. This year’s team lost big talent on paper, but if the team chooses to buy in and play hard they have a great chance to rise to their potential and finish about expectations. Can’t wait!

  • With HH only four days away and our first real game in less than a month, I’m pretty much done with all the predictions. For me, it all comes down to just how good a coach Archie really is. If he’s as good as I think, then these predictions will look somewhat silly by the end of the season. But for now, I’m just ready for the season to start and for all these questions to be answered where they belong — on the basketball court.

  • j_stew12

    IF this were Archie’s 2nd or 3rd season at the helm, I could easily predict a Top 3-5 finish in league play for this group. They have the talent, the athleticism, and they will play defense (NOTE: I’m excited to watch us actually close out on shooters). That being said, this IS Archie’s 1st year and while we will win some games we shouldn’t, we must also keep in perspective that year-1 is not all about “coaching.” In fact, I’d say it’s more about culture and setting a baseline for expectations. While I’m cautiously optimistic about this year, along with the majority of you, I will not be one blaming Arch if we finish 9-12.

  • William Stephens

    If you look at IU’s talent we may be a ninth place finisher. However when a team goes on the road in the B1G and has as many seniors as IU does things can happen that were unexpected. Add into this equation the unpredictable B1G officiating and the fact IU has a soft conference schedule. The sky is the limit. Being picked to finish ninth gives Archie a chance to impress and recruit talent that wants to play in the truly best basketball conference in America. We will soon see the demise of the ACC (all cheaters conference) hence the B1G will continue to lead the way with ..legal..college basketball!

  • Outoftheloop

    1) MSU; 2) MN; 3) Purdue; 4) MD; 5) IU; 6-14 who cares!

  • So IN Hoosier

    Absolutely!

  • So IN Hoosier

    Seems like we are getting a little disrespected. It’s ok tho, ROJO-Juwan-De’ron-Newkirk-Hartman-Green-McFly can all play. I’m bullish on this team and looking forward to the season.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    9th is about right…

  • bball at nick’s

    This is what happens when there are more teams and less games.

  • Oldguyy

    These guys, in a few months, are going to be saying how much of a genius Archie is, and hopefully he is, but it will be mainly because they underestimated the team by so much in the first place.

  • Arch Puddington

    Like you, I get the predictions. It’s not a formula, but if it was, it would look like this:

    Last year’s finish (awful) – talent lost (lots) + incoming talent (largely unheralded). Throw in the additional variable of a new coach and system, and the equation adds up to….not much. Even Alex, who is no homer, but who does follow the team closely, picked us eighth. It is a reasonable expectation given the variables.

    But as you say, there are some unpredictable variables, including what level of play we will get out of RJ, DD, and CJ, all of whom were top 50 recruits, and all of whom have shown promise at times, not to mention DG, who was one of the few players to keep improving as the year went on. And with CH returning from injury and a couple of freshman with the potential to surprise, and above all with a coach who will almost certainly help the whole bunch get their heads screwed back on straight, I think there is a very real chance we will finish in the top half of the conference and make the tourney. Injuries and all the normal disclaimers apply, but at full strength I expect us to get better as the season goes on and be a real contender for one of the 7 spots the B1G almost always gets.

  • TomJameson

    Yes … performing way below potential. Although some individual players played hard, as a team it just looked (to me at least) that the games started to get mailed in. Pretty sure the players saw the writing on the wall about TC, and that affected the team.

    Really sure the team will play like a team this year.

  • TomJameson

    That’s fixing to change, at least just a little bit on the conference schedule part.

  • TomJameson

    I guess I’m wearing those same glasses, and I absolutely am drinking the Kool-Aid this year.

    I think the best, and most informed prediction, is from Alex himself. He’s not a homer as some might suggest … he does a fantastic job of being objective … but 8th is a good projection.

    Of course I think we’ll do better (5th comes to mind), but need to be in the top 7 to dance.

  • TomJameson

    Not so certain about that soft conference schedule part. One of the softest, if not THE softest, is had by MSU. The best team gets the softest schedule … makes a pretty clear path for them.

  • TomJameson

    I can see plenty of eyebrows raised if IU does really, really better than the predictions. If IU finishes in the top 3-4, there better be some consideration of Archie for B1G COY, and there would have to be some IU players on 1st and 2nd teams all-B1G.

    But I’m reminded of a year when the B1G was won by a coach who’s team was predicted to win the conference, while IU outperformed expectations by a mile. IU got respect nationally that year, but not by the B1G. That never made sense to me.

  • randy

    I completely agree. He didn’t even receive a single vote. You mention his offensive numbers, but outside of maybe Juwan or Collin, Robert Johnson is also Indiana’s best defender…and I would go so far as to say he is among the best defenders on an IU squad since Victor Oladipo.

    I think Indiana has a ton of talent and a good coach. Now, hopefully they have a chip on their shoulders…especially the seniors (RJ, CH, and JN).

  • unclekerfuffle

    I suspect that with the more simple offensive and defensive schemes that Archie runs, the team will be improving gradually on both ends of the court over the entire season.

    When the team will peak is the only issue I have no feel about.

  • Yes. And outside of Michigan State, I just don’t see any other team being that much stronger than the Hoosiers.

    FYI: You should tell your brother to get with the program and cheer on the Hoosiers!

  • Just put in some work. No way this Indiana team isn’t talented enough to finish in the upper half of the B1G, but they need to prove it. I’d much rather be underestimated, anyway.

  • Sandra Wilson

    Haven’t you ever wondered why the B1G refuses to go to divisions and a much more fair schedule? If they did that, they wouldn’t be able to skew the schedule towards the team(s) they prefer to win the conference as well as represent the B1G in the NCAA tourney with a high seed. A higher seed brings a better chance to award prestige to their conference, which means $$$$$$. I know this sounds very pessimistic, but I’m convinced it’s a major reason they stay with grossly unfair scheduling.

  • bball at nick’s

    Ha, haven’t heard “fixing to” since my Arkansas days.

  • iubase

    perfect. Thus, the upside is this. If we finish 6 or 7 then Archie has outperformed and as a hungry underdog in the NCAAs we score an upset.

  • Chappy Dan

    We’re going to finish 4th or 5th…