Film Session: Minnesota

  • 02/17/2017 11:17 am in

In Indiana’s narrow loss to the Golden Gophers on Wednesday night, the Hoosiers trailed for the first 10 minutes of the second half before taking the lead and holding onto it until the last minute of the contest.

We’ll look at how Minnesota built an advantage early in the half — and how James Blackmon Jr. aided the Hoosiers during their lead — in the latest edition of Film Session:

After a Josh Newkirk make, Nate Mason gets the ball on the inbounds:

We can already see this one taking shape. Amir Coffey is streaking down the right side of the court unchecked. De’Ron Davis points it out:

Mason threads a slick pass between Thomas Bryant and Zach McRoberts to Coffey:

He catches:

And scores at the basket for two points to put Minnesota up seven:

Indiana typically likes to get out and run off of a make, but this was an example of Minnesota doing just that:

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  • TomJameson

    In clip three, Devonte Green really went around that screen tight. Guess that’s why they call it a “rub screen”. The defender had no chance to keep up, or stay in front, of him. Only think the defender could have done is to go under the screen. I really like somebody going tight around the screen like that … good things happen.

  • spe317

    You mean using screens as God intended?

  • I would love to see a breakdown of Minnesota’s winning bucket.

  • SCHoosier

    That apparently is a touchy subject…given that the Hoosier guarding Springs became a spectator..after MN launched the shot…

  • TomJameson

    There was another Hoosier that missed his blockout, and that Minn player was able to tip it to Springs. Two blockouts were missed.

  • Missing Moye

    It really was abysmal wasn’t it? JBJ became a spectator at SCHoosier said. Morgan didn’t block out his guy, and Thomas Bryant took the strangest angle in the world to compete for the rebound. The only one that did his job was RoJo, but he couldn’t help it that the taller player was able to tip it from behind him.

  • SexPanther

    When can we fire Crean? We will never win it all with him.

  • TomJameson

    Exactly, good synopsis. Yet, there are people who put 100% of the blame for that bad play on JBJ, and even 100% of the blame for losing the game. Unbelievable. Some just can’t get past their agenda against Blackmon.

  • AndyCapp

    Sex Panther, on ITH… 60% of the time he is right every time 😉

  • Justin Beard

    Unfortunately, it smells like a used diaper filled with Indian food.

  • Outoftheloop

    Looking at the “old school” stats and it is easy to see the problems: 1) excessive TO’s, 205/155, Assists 168/168; 2) poor defense=excessive fouling, 295/255 fouls and 250/349 FT’s attempted,183/248 FT’s made! Everyone is poor on defense now that OG is missing. Only Zach is good on A/TO at 16/5, while Josh is just barely positive at 40/31, your PG should be around 2/1. James is only average at .439 FG, .373 3-point, 40 reb, 21/20 A/TO. No NBA stats there. Rob’s are close: .429, .390, 64, but terrible at A/TO 27/38 (terrible for a junior guard). The excessive TO and poor defense are results in large part from coaching scheme! (All stats are B1G games only).

  • AndyCapp

    J-Beard… jumpin on the Anchorman train! 🙂

  • AndyCapp

    I don’t think, certainly don’t hope, there is an agenda against ANY of our players. There are those who post in absolutes which you should NEVER do (guess that was one too 😉 There was more than ONE IU player-spectator on the floor at the end of that game and JBJ was certainly one of ’em but not the CAUSE of the L. Unfortunately this has been a chronic source of complaint against him from other games so I believe therein the vehemence lies. Let us not forget that w/o his 20+ points we wouldn’t have even been in the game. I’m a broken record but the fact that our players don’t know how (or care to) block out, or as Moye said take correct angles to the basket, is reflective of the teacher/leader (read coach) of this team.

  • Larry Brown

    Ssshhhh. Archpuddington on here does not like anyone pointing that out

  • Larry Brown

    Well that certainly is not me despite the way Arch presented it. I never said that, I simply said that his lack of a box out on that final play it was absolutely ridiculous. He just turned around and became a spectator like the other guys said. And for that to happen in a major Division 1 college basketball game on the shows some pretty poor fundamentals, and in my opinion it’s hard not to trace that back to coaching and.

  • Larry Brown

    Bryant got tangled up. You can’t blame him on that play

  • Larry Brown

    “No NBA stats there.”. Why is it then that 3 guys are considering early entry to the draft?
    Aside from stats, considering who they have lost two and the players that have outplayed them, they are nowhere near ready for the NBA

  • Larry Brown

    Who were the other “spectators”? Looked to me like all 4 other guys were moving .
    JBJ is an elite scorer, though inconsistent. But fundamentally, he is not a well-rounded player. My only “complaint” is when, after having been outplayed over and over by non-NBA prospects and losing to mediocre teams, we are treated to a press conference about the kid deciding to go to the NBA. That only begs the question :. Was the coaching the problem then? Was the kid not giving 100?? Was he just that banged up? Bottom line is, to have all these top-100 recruits, including 2 HS All-Americans and 3 NBA prospects for next year, the team has way underperformed, even taking into account the injuries. I was hopeful after the Wisconsin and Purdue games that was changing because I felt they play to their potential in those games even though they lost. But since then hope has been dashed

  • Missing Moye

    You seem to have an unnatural obsession with these kids’ NBA aspirations. I get it that you don’t think they are ready (and I actually do agree with you), but I’m not sure it is a dead horse that needs to be beaten over and over and over every thread.

  • Outoftheloop

    The same reason that 90% of the kids starting at good HS programs “see” a college scholarship in their future: “hope”, “positive mindset”, “dreams”! Nothing wrong with that!

  • Xavier

    Out of curiosity… the NBA keeps track of how often players get blocked. Boogie Cousins(an all-star and arguably best center in the league) has had his shot blocked an NBA leading 89 times. Does ITH know what that stat is for IU players?

  • pcantidote

    RJ most definitely did not do his job. He just went up and tried to get a rebound. He never made any effort to find anyone to block out.

  • AndyCapp

    Moye said that on that final play three people were out of position: 1) JBJ (obviously), 2) JM not sealing off his man under the basket, and 3) TB taking a weird angle for the rebound (you say below he got tangled up but I’m not sure I saw what you saw).
    I labeled them “spectators” (maybe unfairly), but after re-watching the game I have to agree with the poster that NONE of them were effective on the final play and that only one player, RJ, was at least trying (not that TB wasn’t). Easy to call JBJ out alone since it was so obvious and fundamentally bad

  • Piker

    RJ came from the top of the key left side no one to block out so he went for ball. Got it tip out of his hand by JMs guy.

  • AndyCapp

    I would too! It’s easy (but not necessarily correct) to blame JBJ for the loss since he will be remembered in this game for fundamentally BAD defense on the final play. But there were four other Hoosiers on the floor too and none of them were much help. Having re-watched it a couple of times now there was so much going on that I think it would be good for a film session break down. Maybe it’s too early and still too raw to dissect just how fundamentally bad we are.

  • Jeremy

    I so looked forward to the beginning of this season. Now I cannot wait to see it end. It has gotten so bad I no of people who have been life long Indiana fans openly rooting against them in hopes it will get Crean fired. I blame the administration as much as the coach as part of their job is to keep the fan base happy. Well the seats are growing thinner and the fan base is fed up. Right or wrong it is time to make a move. I hope Brad Stevens is homesick.

  • Missing Moye

    Well I’ll sort of agree. If Morgan does his job, then RJ is fine. RJ’s man was nowhere in that play and he probably didn’t realize Morgan’s man was coming over his back. But you are definitely correct that RJ didn’t put a body on him.

  • pcantidote

    Blocking out isn’t about blocking out “your man”. You just find the biggest threat and block them out. The last thing you want to do is just go straight up for the rebound without blocking anyone out. That’s how this tips happen. The amount of failure on these basic concepts on the last play reflects very poorly on the coaching.

  • TomJameson

    Larry, I’m responding here for the partial thread line started by my response to Missing Moye. NOT picking on you at all, not even in a general way.

    First, I’ve knocked heads with Arch plenty, and I’m not trying to defend him, but even when I don’t agree with him I respect his opinion. Just like I respect yours, and others of course. I think he was responding because of the seemingly constant and sometimes not warranted criticism of JBJ.

    You are correct about JBJ on that one play. But the fact is there were three players that didn’t follow through on some basic fundamental that would have sealed the win. But that last play didn’t lose the game, everything that led up to that point, lost the game. That’s why they play for 40 minutes, not two.

    Your are also right about the seemingly lack of basketball fundamentals, but I’d put that on both the coach AND the players. Not just the coach (but that really is where I would start). The players are the ones who have to execute. No excuses for either one.

    I think everybody is a little uptight about IU basketball right now, I know I am. It’s been just such a disappointing season that it’s hard not to lash out at each other. I’m just trying to remember that even if I don’t agree with somebody, they are more than likely just as much of an IU BB fan as I am.

    Stay frosty everybody, it’ll be a short season because I don’t even see a NIT invite this year. 🙁

  • TomJameson

    I think there are some of us fans who will lash out at JBJ no matter what he does. He can score 30+ points, have 9 rebounds and 5 assists and can still take a ton of crud for missing a block-out. That kind of criticism seems to always come from the same commenters.

    When JBJ leaves, there will be another “goat” to take JBJ’s place. Always has been, and probably always will be, some player to be the scapegoat no matter how well they play overall.

  • Missing Moye

    I’m not sure we’re disagreeing, but you’re putting more blame on RJ than I am. When you are playing man, you are responsible for blocking out your man typically. If Morgan does his job, or Blackmon does his job, we’re not having this discussion. TB and RJ complicated the issue by not helping box them out.

    Ultimately, it comes down to coaching. Basic stuff and it lost them the game. But we’ve known all along that this isn’t a well coached team judging by the lack of defense, the abundance of turnovers, putting the other team at the line a ton, etc.

  • pcantidote

    There is no man to man concept for blocking out. The only rule of blocking out is to find SOMEONE and get your butt on them. It is unacceptable to just go for the ball when JM’s guy was sprinting towards the rim. I hold JM and RJ equally responsible. They both failed at the basics.

  • pcantidote

    I just disagree that you are responsible for YOUR man. You are responsible for getting your butt on SOMEONE. RJ’s man didn’t crash the boards, so RJ has to find someone. That’s it. It’s 101 stuff that our guys aren’t taught. On that much more important point we agree.

  • Piker

    There are concepts and one is to block your man first, if not there, then find someone else. Guards blocking bigs is not ideal. What I noticed is RJ seeing Springs get around his guy and trying to beat him to the ball. Which he would of but JM missed his block out. Three guys in the play, two Minny and RJ. RJ could not of prevented both from getting there so he had to choose the ball.

  • bball at nick’s

    Why are they “considering early entry to the draft?” To get a real life playing basketball and making money. Do you blame them?

  • Koko

    I hardly think playing basketball and making money (especially in the NBA) can be considered a real life.
    But I don’t blame a player if that is what they want and
    are good enough to be taken in the draft.

  • bball at nick’s

    Well it’s definitely more real than this twilight zone we call college.

  • Koko

    Well I can’t disagree with that.

  • Austin Alexander

    I am and always will be an IU fan. This is by far the toughest season I’ve watched since the one after Kelvin Sampson’s nightmare. I have no idea how they did it, but they turned a final 4 team into a “maybe NIT” team. Never seen anything like it. Go IU 🙂

  • Larry Brown

    Agree all around. It’s been an enormous Lee frustrating season and certainly injuries has something to do with it but that is also certainly not the entire story. To me there is just something wrong it has to do with not playing fundamental basketball. It seems like the only time we see good for the middle on IU team is win there are several seniors like there were last year or when Watford and Hulls were seniors. And I have a theory about that. My Siri is that CTCs offense is so fast paced that it is kind of like playing on the playground and it takes a certain maturity to be able to play it with discipline. And younger guys normally do not have that discipline. In fact on the playground guys develop a lot of bad habits and it is easy for those to manifest in organized play when you are playing at the same pace. Unless of course a player is mentally very mature. Just nice Siri, I might be totally wrong

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