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Unraveling the latest Sampson debacle

by Ryan Corazza in Commentary | October 14th, 2007

Kelvin Sampson(Editor’s Note: For a partial transcript of the teleconference with Rick Greenspan, Kelvin Sampson and Grace Calhoun, click here.)

First, a preface: I like Kelvin Sampson at the helm for IU. I think he is a good, smart coach who’s been around long enough — he’s heading into his 25th year of coaching — to know the ins, the outs, the ups and the downs of basketball at the collegiate level. That being said, there were two major qualms when Rick Greenspan announced he’d be taking over the head coaching position. The first being: could this guy actually step into a “big-time” program and succeed? I mean, who the heck was this Kelvin Sampson guy, anyways? I think the answer to that is a decisive “yes” at the moment. Yeah, we have a small sample size to go on, but so far so good, right?

Second, and perhaps of equal importance for some IU fans: people were worried about the sanctions, the impermissible phone calls and whether or not Kelvin Sampson would waltz in here and strip away our supposed high ethics and clean program some out there are very proud of. But hey, that stuff happened at Oklahoma. It didn’t happen here. We were in the clear, right? Well, not really.

And so the answer to the second qualm at the moment is a decisive “no.” Look, let’s get one thing straight, everyone is doing this type of stuff. College basketball recruiting is a dirty game and coaches and programs cut corners all the time. (I would say Bob Knight is the exception to this and I think that’s why some people are so infuriated with Kelvin Sampson right now. But on the same accord, Knight’s unwillingness to adjust and adapt to new ways of recruiting and handling his players — you know, not grabbing or hitting them — led to his downfall at IU.)

Now, I’m certainly not condoning what Sampson and his staff did here. Even though the internal investigation turned up some very minor stuff — Sampson being in on 10 three-way calls, the staff making 35 more phone calls then allowed — it’s still unacceptable for a guy that’s on such thin ice to begin with. It’s bad for the program; it’s bad for the school; heck, it’s bad on the recruiting front — we lost a scholarship because of this. Although, it’s essentially Bud Mackey’s scholarship, so it doesn’t hurt us quite as much as it could have.

And I just don’t know if I buy Sampson’s explanation on the three-way calls. Via the Indy Star:

“All of the calls were kids that were calling me. Our coaches did a great job in telling kids that ‘Coach can’t you call you because of the sanctions so will you call him?’ And that’s what we did. I found out about the three-way calls after they looked at the records. They saw that there had been three-way calls made and found out that Rob (Senderoff) had, after the kid had called me and tried to reach me on my cell phone, they would call coach Senderoff back and say ‘Coach Sampson was unavailable. I tried him on his cellphone. So what Rob was doing was patching the calls into me, and I was getting them not knowing that Rob had made the connection. But when I answered the phone in these situations, the kid would start talking.”

“So I was basically an operator. And instead of hanging up, Rob would stay on, because if he hung up the connection would be lost. And this was 10 calls out of thousands. And it’s disappointing. We’re trying to get 100 percent compliant here. We had 10 out of thousands, and that was 10 too many.”

I don’t know. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt here, but again, how could they be so careless, so sloppy and so stupid if they knew they were under such a microscope during Sampson’s year-long penalty? Did they know what they were doing was wrong, but decided to do it anyways? I’d tend to think that. Maybe the three-way calling was a mistake, but they had to have known they made too many phone calls in the allowable span. I mean, this is what Sampson got in trouble for at Oklahoma and in his first year here the coaching staff accidentally does the same thing? I just don’t buy that.

In the end, this will all pass. Eric Gordon will start wowing us; D.J. White will dazzle and Eli Holman will be a treat. We’ll put this to the back of our minds. After all, it could have been much worse.

But still: it’s a bit unsettling our coach has been penalized twice and he’s only been here seven months. Unsettling, indeed.

  • Tim
    Let me just say this: I don't believe for a second that "everyone is doing this." That is the lamest excuse possible. Not everyone does drugs, not everyone drives drunk, not everyone lies, and not everyone cheats.

    Even if they did, I DO NOT want my school to do it. Plain, simple, but apparently too hard for this staff.
  • Tim,

    While I agree with your point that it's not an excuse (nor do I feel that R was trying to make it one), you have to be naive to think that other schools aren't doing the same thing. And in a lot of cases, it's probably worse.
  • Mark
    I agree with most of what was written, but the end of it just wants it to pass. It will pass, but to not call for the man to be fired for repeating an infraction, not a new one, the same infraction he was sanctioned for, is like trying to sweep it under the rug. He knew what he was doing and he thinks us IU fans will ignore it because he gets great recruits. Forget it Kelvin, time for you to go. I'm all for second chances for someone, but this would be his 3rd chance. Then when he does something else, we give him another pass? I don't think so. Didn't we learn anything from the Knight era? He got way too many chances, blew it everytime with his behavior and we excused it because we won. No more. Greenspan, do the right thing here. If you can't do it, have the President do it. I'm with Tim, not at my school.
  • kelin
    OK a few ours to think this thing over and here are my sobering observations....

    1. To fire KS now would be a horrible blow to the current crop of kids, so I DO NOT think one person wants that to happen right now! seriously...

    2. KS is guilty but lets continue to mention Senderoff in the conversation also, he is a grown man and he has his part to play in this. From what I have read he is the primary guilty party...

    3. What Greenspan should do, is what he has done already. Police yourself, turn yourself in, and the NCAA usually will give you a "break".

    4. I agree with PostmanR having been recruited myself by a Div.1 program, 95% of them ARE NOT squeaky clean...I had things bought for me and I was a potential walk on, on an unoffical visit, and....to a lower Div.1 school. So for some it may be a phone call, text message, or a house!

    5. What can KS do now. First, keep his word in other areas such as graduating players, produce a winning program (i.e. THIS YEAR), and hold himself and asst. coaches accountable. Be transparent in what you plan to do to stop this from happening again and if you are going to take 100% of the responsibility, then be responsible for correcting the problem.

    My initial reaction was disgust, hurt, shock etc etc...even firing, but I am siding with those guys that will practice tomorrow and try to live up to the standard of IU basketball as players...while their coach gets on board. They can make it happen faster than KS can. So I won't this season participate in the Kel-vin Samp-son chants...I will scream louder for EJ, DJ, JE and all of our other guys.

    This doesn't ruin my love for IU basketball and what will make me feel better is beating PU by 40 and Illinois by 30.
  • HoosierDaddy
    Kelvin Sampson is guilty of the same violation twice. He is facing a harsh penalty, giving up 500k, etc. I think the punishment is fair, to say the least. Let's be clear on one thing - when you exceed the number of recruiting phone calls, by even one, that is cheating.

    The argument when he came in was, "he wasn't sure about the rule." Now there are no excuses. It really kills me to say this, because I love what he's done for our basketball team (rebounding, defense, effort), but if I had to vote on his future - knowing what I know (the press release) - I vote to fire him.

    What if this was Bill Weber or Matt Painter violating this rule for the second time?
  • kelin
    Hoosierdaddy....firing him now does what to this team. Lets be honest here, although none of this involves these kids, it does still involve these kids. If he gets fired what does that do for them...2 days into the season? Who takes over? SHould Senderoff be fired?
  • Don Dick
    Yes I'm disappointed again that a coach of a major basketball program does not understand the penalities of such consequences not to mention the possibilities of missing out on the recruitment of Tyler Zoller. Even though this infraction seems minor it's still wrong. How could this happen again? Once the season begins and the Hoosiers win I suspect this will be forgotten. If this is front page news how about the recent recruiting visit Zoller had at NC? Will this be investigated by NC and NCAA?
  • HoosierDaddy
    Kelin,

    I agree that in the short term firing Samspson now would be a disaster. It would cripple our season. In the long term, though, it would send the message that our institution does not tolerate cheating in any capacity. I wish it wasn't like this. Winning isn't nearly as important as playing by the rules, and considering the Sampson broke these rules for the second time, when he should have been paranoid about them because of his experience, his actions are indefensible. He even said it in his news conference (taking responsibilty)

    And yes, fire Senderoff, too. I am a high school basketball coach. Though the rules aren't nearly as rigid as the NCAA's, our entire staff understands clearly that we have a responsibilty to the players, school and community to be aware of the rules, and pay attention to detail (in everything we do).

    You raise good questions. Who takes over? I really have no idea. I am glad I'm not making the decisions (but I hope IU does what I feel is the right thing). I'd love Hubie Brown though.
  • Jack Schneider
    My first reaction was a sense of betrayal because I placed strong faith in Sampson as a coach and a person. My gut feeling told me dismissal should considered. It is incomprehensible that he and the assistant coach would do anything not strictly within the rules. But a in some degree of calmness, it's my belief the violations don't merit dismissal. Also, I don't think it would be fair to the players to ruin their high hopes for the upcoming season by depriving them of a qualified head coach. The many good things Sampson has done, as a coach and within the community at large, allow me to still have faith in him. I believe the penalties meted out by the university are sufficient and he should be given another chance.
  • Doug Pollock
    Where's the zero tolerance now? (How many recruiting violations did Knight have? Oh yea, ZERO!!)
  • Tim
    Big A,

    I'm not naive. Of course there are other schools cheating. Not a month goes by that the NCAA doesn't punish someone and another school announces self-reported violations. But until today, Indiana had never been the school.

    What I said still stands, I don't give a rat's ass if every other school in the country is cheating. You can tell me it's not that bad and you can tell me others are doing it too. But I don't care.

    I DO NOT want this crap at my school, period.
  • Tom
    CKS is becoming like Knight with his "do as I say not as I do" attitude. What happened to "its about the name on the front of the jersey" and "touch all the lines"? Man up and resign.
  • kelin
    Hoosierdaddy....

    www.hirehubie.com
    I am a former h.s. coach here in indy and yes I was very very adament about following the rules big and small, cause I know so many coaches openly didn't. I knew of coaches in my building that encouraged me to "work the system" to build a good team and win!....using fake addresses etc. I didn't want to build a program that way so I took the other route.

    Just when you think IU is building itself back to a national power, this happens. To start over AGAIN for a 3rd time would be REALLY bad. Will winning make this go away? How soon we forget in the sports world....Spygate and New England!
  • Eric
    Sampson is the public face of Indiana Basketball, and as long as he is there, that image will be tarnished. Some IU fans may hope and believe his unethical misconduct will be forgotten. It's wishful thinking. It will be brought up endlessly--Sampson, the repeat cheater. Is that the image Indiana wants? Whether it likes it or not, that's the image it has for a coach.
  • mike regan
    This new recruiting violation by sampson, and the cheating by other coaches.....i think it is mainly caused by the ncaa having myriad picky rules written by people like myles brand who have nothing better to do than micromanage something they know very little about. Let's simplify the freaking rules and enforce them strictly.......break these simple (10 pages or less) rules and lose your coaches license for x number of years......and only let teams with licensed coaches into the ncaa tourney........
    Today the ncaa rules are like the tax code, just ask the General.
  • Guys:

    I understand no one wants cheating, or even the shadow of cheating, at your school ... but then you've got to be willing to accept a consistently mediocre IU team. If you're willing to do that, fine. But ask Illinois fans how they feel it.
  • I understand the frustration and betrayal that some fans are feeling, however, some of the stances (i.e. Bob Kravitz) to fire Sampson are way over the top. Firing him kills all momentum that the program has gained over the past 18 months. I'm all for holding him accountable and I think the university has. He's going to be our coach until Rick Greenspan says otherwise so I feel the best course of action right now is to focus on the season we have coming up and support the team.
  • Tom
    Years ago, I attended a President's Roundtable at the American Management Association in Chicago. One of our discussion leaders asked the group if we would fire someone for stealing and everyone raised their hand in unison. He then asked the group how many had taken a pencil, pen, etc. from their place of work during their work career. Again, everyone raised their hand. The speaker then announced that we were all fired. I don't think anyone in the room agreed with his thought.
    I am terribly disappointed with the basketball situation, however cooler heads need to prevail.
  • kelin
    I agree with Big A....if we get out of our emotions of this and look at the big picture...firing him would cause the same firestorm you had for a FULL year in MD's last year. Will McCallum be the new coach? Will EJ stay? Will Ebanks, Roth, Elston, Pritchard, stay...Will all the recruits that are considering IU take them off the list...

    I don't think anyone wants that at all. Trust me, MD's last year to me was more of a disaster than this is making out to be.

    I want KS to get it right..and get it right now now now. He is getting the recruiting right, he is getting the talent level right...he is getting the academics piece on the right path...it is time to get these phone calls right. I find it interesting that in a matter of 48hours, Kelvin Sampson is the worst person in the world or at least at IU. Which goes to show you this.....

    what have you done for me lately....
    We loved him on Friday...
    We hated him on Sunday

    which goes to show this HARSH TRUTH that we won't admit too...IF HE WINS...this goes away. It is all about what have you done for me lately. If it is not then where is the FRIDAY LOVE on MONDAY?
  • Steve O
    On a lighter note, has anybody gotten any news on the reaction of the recruits who were in attendance at midnight madness? Apparently Dexter Strickland and Nolan Dennis were VERY impressed. Any news?
  • kelin
    steve o-

    I read the same thing, moreso on Dexter Strickland.
  • I read that Stephenson, Dennis and Strickland were all impressed. Also read that Ebanks wasn't too worried about Sampson and the phone calls.

    Here's the article I saw on Stephenson and Ebanks:

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10152007/sports/ste...

    Also, notice how they spelled Hoosiers. What a great newspaper.
  • kelin
    Comment for Kent Benson-

    It is 2007 who cares what you think, go hang out with the 72 dolphins and show up when we need you. If IU goes to the final 4 you will be there in your old uniform and the candy stripes. I am sick of him always piling on when something goes down.
  • BigRedFan
    Rarely to I agree with Kravitz at the Indy Star, in fact, I believe this is the first time. Sampson should be sent packing and the AD should follow right behind him. Shame on you IU, and the previous President, for hiring both of them!
  • Luke
    Big A what do think the NCAA will do now?
  • Who knows what the NCAA will do, we should know something in the next couple of weeks.

    One thing I do know is that Kent Benson saying Kelvin Sampson should be fired should have no impact on the whole situation.
  • Tom
    I believe that Sampson never they were 3 way calls. First Sendehoff's name has tobe programed into Sampson's cell phone. So when the calls came in with Senderhoff name and someone else is on the line you have to know it's a 3 way call.
  • PMK
    Couldn't agree more about Kurt Benson and his comments. I do not understand where some dude who I couldn't point out in a crowd of two people gets sought out for his comments. Yes, I understand that he was on an IU national title team (back in the 70's or something, who knows?). But let's add a little perspective to that for those Hoosier fans: 1987 was our last title. In the year 1987, it is safe to say that very few, if any, freshman currently enrolled at Indiana were even born (including some sophs) when the streets of Kirkwood last flooded with such glee.

    To sum it up, Kurt Benson: Shut your mouth. Can someone please offer this guy a job so he stops meddling in the affairs of our basketball program?

    Do you think Devin Ebanks gives a shit what some tall, lanky, white guy who played basketball in the 70's thinks about Coach Sampson? No, he doesn't, so lets stick to the story lines that are important here.

    It isn't like our program and its people are going unpunished here. Sampson's assistant coach (senderoff) is basically losing his job over this. If you are an assistant who can't recruit off campus, you don't have much to offer. Sampson lost a scholarship and $500K. That is plenty enough. I just wish he were more intelligent about circumventing the rules,so we didn't have to hear about it.

    In order to compete today, a Coach has to be creative. Sampson was doing exactly that and I don't think less of him as a person nor do I think less of his integrity. 10 calls over the limit is just dumb, and nothing more. Oops, should have been a little more careful about that. Ok, let's move on and win basketball games.

    I understand from the media-juggernaut known as the "Indy Star" that IU has had no major infractions with the NCAA since 1960. What do I say? When they start hanging banners for crap like that, let me know.

    I am sure such a stat is what lured Eric Gordon here, and the reason that we had such a stud class at Hoosier Hysteria. That is laughable.

    Until then, take stats like the one above, Kurt Benson, and all the others who can't grasp the fact IU needs to move into the year '07 and put them in Assembly Hall when we implode it and build a new arena. That would be a fitting end to all the nonsensical garbage about our "tradition".

    Sorry for the extended rant!
  • kelin
    PMK I agree totally ....kurt/kent benson has not been heard from since 1976. I am sure he made himself available all of sudden for comments. Now where is Ted Kitchel when you need him and no IU is still not recruiting your son TEDDY. EVERY person that wants KS fired will not be heard from 6 weeks from now when IU is rollin' with maybe 1-2 losses......KS is WRONG, SENDEROFF IS WRONG. You are right Senderoff is a glorified manager now but it is the price to pay.
  • PMK
    I changed it to Kurt for effect, just being tricky.
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