IU, Big Ten centric notes from Lindy’s Sports college basketball preview

  • 09/05/2017 8:37 am in

The second of three annual college basketball preview magazines – Lindy’s Sports college basketball preview – is now available.

Here are some notes on Indiana and the Big Ten at-large from the annual publication. (You can purchase the regional cover featuring Johnson here. The magazine also features a two-page story on Archie and Sean Miller.)

· Lindy’s predicts the order of finish in the Big Ten as follows: Michigan State, Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, Michigan, Maryland, Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State, Illinois, Indiana, Rutgers and Nebraska.

· No IU player made one of the three preseason All-Big Ten teams. The first team is Nate Mason, Bryant McIntosh, Miles Bridges, Vincent Edwards and Ethan Happ.

· Bridges is Lindy’s pick for Big Ten player of the year, Minnesota’s Reggie Lynch is the pick for best defensive player, Michigan State’s Jaren Jackson is regarded as the league’s best newcomer and Ohio State’s Jae’Sean Tate is listed as the league’s most versatile player.

· In Lindy’s preseason top 40, the Big Ten teams are Michigan State (1), Northwestern (15), Minnesota (22), Purdue (26), Michigan (30) and Maryland (31).

· Indiana non-conference opponents in the Lindy’s preseason top 40 include: Duke (4), Louisville (9), Notre Dame (13) and Seton Hall (25).

· Lindy’s projects seven Big Ten teams to make the NCAA tournament field: Michigan State, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue and Wisconsin.

· The Big Ten is rated as the nation’s second best conference behind the ACC.

· Lindy’s ranked the top 25 players at each position and here are the Big Ten players represented:

– Point guard: Nate Mason (10), Bryant McIntosh (15), Jaaron Simmons (21) and Cassius Winston (23).
– Shooting guard: No Big Ten players among top 25.
– Small forward: Miles Bridges (1), Vincent Edwards (10), Vic Law (17).
– Power forward: Ethan Happ (2), Moritz Wagner (23), Justin Jackson (24).
– Center: Nick Ward (9), Reggie Lynch (14), Isaac Haas (18).

· Michigan State is ranked as the eighth best backcourt unit nationally and Minnesota is ninth. The Spartans are ranked third in Lindy’s top frontcourt rankings.

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  • Arch Puddington

    Two B1G titles in five years says rather emphatically that your petty insult is just baseless noise.He wasn’t able to sustain the kind of success we expect at IU, and by all accounts seemed to have reached the limit of what he could accomplish, but he is both a good coach and a good man. The same would not be said of people who go online to insult people they have never even met.

  • Bailey22

    His erratic subbing, lack of d, carelessness of the ball and complete ineptness of recruiting a team instead of random players says otherwise. Didn’t realize moron would hit such a nerve with u guys..so sensitive

  • Bailey22

    Im trying

  • Arch Puddington

    Not sensitive, rational. Civilized. Able to be critical and disagree without name calling or pointlessly personal attacks.

    And I would point out that you did not limit your comments to calling him a moron. You said “just thinking of him makes me nauseous.” And all that because he didn’t win as many games as you wanted. Nice.

  • Bailey22

    Thanks

  • Arch Puddington

    There is no meaningful metric by which Kelvin Sampson is a better coach than CTC, or even as good. To wit:

    — CTC has won 3 conference titles in 18 years as a D1 head coach; Sampson has 1 in 24 years
    — If you exclude even just his first two years at IU, CTC has a better winning percentage in conference play than Sampson (57.3% to 56.6%)
    — They have both been to one Final Four.

    And of course, Sampson left IU in ruins after recruiting some poor characters and violating recruiting rules. I know that the standard meme is that he was an excellent technical coach — better than CTC — but there is just no way to support that empirically. If I were picking between the two strictly on their records, never mind their integrity, I’d still go with CTC.

  • Koko

    First of all I wrote a comment and you are the one that attacked and OM you are very good at the “because I said so” point of view. That is the beauty of this blog…I can throw stuff all over the place as long as it is within the group rules set forth by the moderators….not you.

  • John D Murphy

    I’m not saying we have the pieces to make it to the elite 8. I just don’t think depth is what will prevent us from getting to the 2nd weekend. We might go through some early lumps where we learn to play longer more extended minutes but that will pay dividends at the end of the season.

  • John D Murphy

    I know depth is one of the issues we have diverging opinions on. Given the comments on one of the other threads, I feel obliged to thank you as someone always takes differences of opinions as just that…and doesn’t take them as personal insults. Thanks

  • John D Murphy

    Wish I could give you more than a single uptick.

  • Koko

    You mean my comments making predictions and writing ludicrous unsupported opinions don’t fit into your obvious need of numbers and statistics that come up with the real “why” in everything one says? You are indeed a prognosticator. Now me?….I just throw stuff against the wall that stir up all the prognosticators. I guess it worked with you. What does nick do at the end of most of his comments?…..LOL

  • Koko

    Looks like it might go up the east side of Florida and head your way…..you take care too. Either way I think we both are going to get wind and rain….the question is how much? Koko the girl dog is doing good. Thanks for your concern.

  • John D Murphy

    Your conference stats are not correct. KS was 10-6 his first year and 11-2 his second year in conference. 72%. KS was also 74% in his overall record to TC 67% over his final six years. Sampson was also 2-2 making NCAA.

  • Arch Puddington

    The conference records to which I was referring were for their entire careers, not just in the B1G. Sampson coached in the Pac-10 (as it was then called), the Big 8/Big 12, the B1G, and most recently the AAC. Crean coached in Conference USA, the Big East, and the B1G. The winning percentages I quoted were accurate.

    As for the overall record, I find that a bit less meaningful because non-conference schedules are so uneven. Not that the figures I gave are “apples to apples”, but they do at least reflect their records against the best competition they faced, and in many cases against coaches who knew them well. And again, I could reasonably have withheld the first three years of CTC’s time at IU, in which case his win percentage goes up significantly. Sampson just has not done as well as CTC in conference play, and I find that telling.

    I might also add that even though Sampson has coached 6 more seasons that CTC, he has made it to the round of 32 or further the same number of times as CTC has in 18 years. He did make an Elite 8 in addition to the Final Four, but then CTC has three Sweet 16’s to Sampson’s one. So again, against top competition, CTC’s record is every bit as good as Sampson’s, and arguably better given 6 fewer seasons to work with.

  • William Stephens

    Only thing that is really sad is you, Bailey22. Tom Crean did as much as he could, rebuilt the Hoosier program, played within the rules, graduated players and won B1G titles. To date I have yet to see your team reach the final four, so if you can do it better, it’s only in your dreams. Go back to sleep and win the “Big One”. Then wake up and ask the customer if they want to “supersize their order! I’ll be watching for you in the final four this year! LOL.

  • Bailey22

    I’m so offended lol

  • Outoftheloop

    Ole my numbers are as official as they come: from the IU website archived statistics, the same place that gave Idaho his averages. Mine are actual verifiable numbers as well, not opinion. If you take all of the averages and total them you get more than the Hoosier’s averaged per game. But if you total all of the actual points scored and divide by the total of conference games (18), you get the Hoosier’s exact average per game. My numbers are the actual numbers! I don’t “want the numbers” to say anything. Even Idaho now admits that the loss of Jsmes, Thomas, and OG reduces IU scoring in the B1G by “31” points per game, the actual number is 30.61 points per game. My opinion is that increases from Robert, Josh, Curtis, Devonte, DeRon, Juwan, Tim, and McFly plus production fro the new players Justin, Collin, Clifton, and Al will more than make up for this.

  • Outoftheloop

    A beer at Nick’s is always fun!

  • Outoftheloop

    Yes.

  • VOXAC30

    Triple H. Hopeless Hoosier Homers

  • VOXAC30

    If OG and CH were not injured I don’t think we would have gotten Archie. My reasoning being we would have won two or three more games and made it to the tournament.

  • Ole Man

    Hey, I enjoy your comments. You go out of your way to add knowledgeable opinion.
    That’s all that we all offer: opinion. Lively, respectful debate is more than appreciated. I cannot tell you how much I have learned from others on this site and in the paid forum. And most of the time it has been in response to one of my opinions where they have “corrected it” or amended it with their knowledge.

  • Ole Man

    I have nothing against your “numbers.” They’re interpolations of official statistics.
    People play with numbers in sports all the time.
    IF your numbers were the “actual” numbers they would have been adapted as some measure a long time ago.
    Since they have not, I can only assume that they are not “official” or that they have not been recognized as “official.”
    It’s a fun read and fun interpolation.

    I personally, without getting into the numbers, am of the OPINION that our scoring will be down this year.
    It’s a “hunch” based on more than “numbers”.

  • John D Murphy

    Thanks for the clarification. I don’t find records at their different schools very comparable especially if you are throwing out some of Crean’s as KS coached at some pretty small schools that are almost always total rebuilds. KS had a better record at IU even giving TC some latitude. The other points you make are very valid. I found KS’s on court product “less frustrating to watch” than TC’s (probably the best way I can describe it) but obviously everything else is hugely weighted toward TC. Before things started to fall apart, that 2007-08 team was a lot of fun to watch.

  • Outoftheloop

    You forgot Grant, 8 points, 4 games, average 2.0 ppg.

  • Outoftheloop

    Then Grant averaged 2.0 ppg. Problem was he only scored 8 points in 4 games. If you add up all of the averages IU scored over 90 ppg, but we know that they only scored 76.

  • Outoftheloop

    No Ole. They are not interpolations, projections, etc. They are the real numbers. Averages distort scoring. Add up all of the averages and IU should have scored 90+ ppg not the 76 we did scored.

  • IdahoHoosier

    IU averaged 80 ppg on the season. This whole “argument” is based on (mis)interpreting real numbers. Our miscommunication has basically been about trying to compare data sets analyzing different numbers. Sometimes we talk about ppg, other times about total points scored. Then are we talking B1G conference or season totals? Jumping around just got confusing. We are all on the same page and no hard feelings from me.

  • Ole Man

    But we didn’t score 90+.
    So those, the 76, are the real numbers.
    Not sure why that is so hard to understand.