IU, Big Ten centric notes from Lindy’s Sports college basketball preview

  • 09/05/2017 8:37 am in

The second of three annual college basketball preview magazines – Lindy’s Sports college basketball preview – is now available.

Here are some notes on Indiana and the Big Ten at-large from the annual publication. (You can purchase the regional cover featuring Johnson here. The magazine also features a two-page story on Archie and Sean Miller.)

· Lindy’s predicts the order of finish in the Big Ten as follows: Michigan State, Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, Michigan, Maryland, Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State, Illinois, Indiana, Rutgers and Nebraska.

· No IU player made one of the three preseason All-Big Ten teams. The first team is Nate Mason, Bryant McIntosh, Miles Bridges, Vincent Edwards and Ethan Happ.

· Bridges is Lindy’s pick for Big Ten player of the year, Minnesota’s Reggie Lynch is the pick for best defensive player, Michigan State’s Jaren Jackson is regarded as the league’s best newcomer and Ohio State’s Jae’Sean Tate is listed as the league’s most versatile player.

· In Lindy’s preseason top 40, the Big Ten teams are Michigan State (1), Northwestern (15), Minnesota (22), Purdue (26), Michigan (30) and Maryland (31).

· Indiana non-conference opponents in the Lindy’s preseason top 40 include: Duke (4), Louisville (9), Notre Dame (13) and Seton Hall (25).

· Lindy’s projects seven Big Ten teams to make the NCAA tournament field: Michigan State, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue and Wisconsin.

· The Big Ten is rated as the nation’s second best conference behind the ACC.

· Lindy’s ranked the top 25 players at each position and here are the Big Ten players represented:

– Point guard: Nate Mason (10), Bryant McIntosh (15), Jaaron Simmons (21) and Cassius Winston (23).
– Shooting guard: No Big Ten players among top 25.
– Small forward: Miles Bridges (1), Vincent Edwards (10), Vic Law (17).
– Power forward: Ethan Happ (2), Moritz Wagner (23), Justin Jackson (24).
– Center: Nick Ward (9), Reggie Lynch (14), Isaac Haas (18).

· Michigan State is ranked as the eighth best backcourt unit nationally and Minnesota is ninth. The Spartans are ranked third in Lindy’s top frontcourt rankings.

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  • Bailey22

    Where’s the lack of class? Where I pointed out how terrible our last coach was? I see I offended you lol..you’re one of those eh?

  • VOXAC30

    So you are saying a guy that has sent multiple players to the NBA as lottery picks, won the BIG 10 twice for us, and has gone to the F4 a moron. Not to mention there are tens of thousands of people who still like him, his players thought the world of him yet question what is classless? But some how you turn the statement around and say I am one of those. Exactly what is one of those?

    If by saying this you mean a guy that wants his team to get to number 6, be top 10 recruiting every year, projected to top 3 in BIG 10 conference every year then yes I am. But I will also respect the former players and coaches who played at Indiana.

    Do you even remember how bad of shape IU was in before we got CTC and not many people even wanted the IU job back then, Sampson destroyed our program and CTC did a lot of work to make our program become respectful again. Better yet when he left he did not leave the cupboard bare and Archie has a lot to work with. I will argue it was time for a change but I am done bashing the the guy and ready to move on with Archie.

  • Koko

    I did answer his question….read the post again.
    I’m surprised you are piling on for the ole man.
    He is quite capable of taking care of his own business.

  • Koko

    Things cycle?……Isn’t that the same as stuff happens? We shall wait and see if it is a problem for the league. And please don’t throw the “your opinion” comment at me….you are pretty good at that too…..”ignorable garbage”. Minny is what it is…I don’t like the coach and don’t think he is good enough to bring his team to such lofty heights as you and others “opinions” think he will. It has everything to do with Archie vs Pitino and you will find that out during the season. I love arm chair philosophers such as yourself and your buddy nick….keep up the good work.

  • IdahoHoosier

    I didn’t say it was far-fetched, rather that I don’t think this team scores as much as last season. If you subtract from your figures the 27 ppg De’Ron, Juwan, and Robert already provided combined last year, we are still talking about needing additional scoring on top of that to make up for the loss of (mainly) Blackmon and Bryant (31 ppg combined). So if the players you named average what you suggest, that would cover 13 additional ppg. Hope that all makes sense. Anyway, as I said in another post, it may not really matter if IU replaces all the scoring since they should hopefully be better defensively and get more fast-break scoring opportunities.

  • IdahoHoosier

    I actually addressed that in another post. But you are right, no way of knowing exactly how OG’s presence would have affected stats of other players.

  • Koko

    And apparently it did stick….at least enough for you to sarcastically call me a cowboy…..I don’t have an idea who is first and second etc and as I said I don’t care. Read the post again what I meant is in there. But for those who just need a specific answer……I don’t know who should be first….you are a big time prognosticator….you figure it out and let this uninformed cowboy know.

  • IdahoHoosier

    If you want “average points scored per game (regardless of whether the player played or not)”, that is a figure not often provided by any stat source. The fact that Outoftheloop had to calculate that himself suggests maybe it isn’t as useful as what we usually use in sports, “average points scored per game played”. I get what you’re saying and maybe that figure could be useful somewhere, but it isn’t commonly used or considered useful by statisticians. This has gotten way off track haha!

  • IdahoHoosier

    Vox said it best, but Crean was a pretty successful “moron” by all metrics. Has a nice family, rose to the top of his profession, makes a lot of money, has respect of players and colleagues, etc. No need to “dance on his grave” now that he isn’t the coach. Guy still did a lot for IUBB and invested a lot. Have some respect.

  • Koko

    I did answer the question…..and here is the answer again for you….I don’t know. My assumption was simple enough….I don’t think Minny and Northwestern have any business being number 2 & 3. And yes the B1G is weak this year. Backward logic does not apply….Minny will not be better this year and Northwestern won’t either. That is a pretty simple comment that really doesn’t need to be “analyzed” and “discussed”. Now leave me alone I have to prepare for the hurricane.

  • Koko

    Florida

  • IdahoHoosier

    No official bet was made. I’m afraid the bet would end up being close and Outoftheloop would create misleading statistics to prove he won. I kid I kid.

  • Koko

    Well Koko is my female dog so she is a cowgirl and I am a cowboy…..you get both.

  • Mark Bando

    Very good point

  • IdahoHoosier

    I don’t understand the focus on the injury situation. James Blackmon for instance, was injured a few times and missed several games which stifled his overall production right? So he may have scored x points on the season, but only scored y points total instead. However, his average PPG (17) covers missed games in that it assumes (based on historical data) that “on average” he would’ve scored roughly 17 points in each game he missed as well.

  • Ole Man

    You can’t rewrite what you want.
    You can’t reinterpret what you said in pretty plain English.
    What you meant is abundantly clear.
    What you know and don’t know is also becoming abundantly clear.
    I’m not being a prognosticator.
    I asked you what you meant by what you wrote.
    I’m not the one making predictions or writing ludicrous, unsupported opinions.
    Sorry that you need a safe space, but Cowboy is a pretty generic term not carrying any negativity.

  • Ole Man

    Not even close to the same meaning.
    Hey, I offered support for what I wrote. I didn’t declare it fact but I at least gave reasons why I believed it.
    You just throw “stuff” out there with no support other than “because I said so” and want it to be accepted.
    The world, or at least the one that is reality based, doesn’t work that way.
    If it’s Archie vs Pitino then why is it that way? It’s not a competition between them this year for what happens to the Minn team.
    If you’re gonna make claims and then attack you’d better be prepared and able to support those claims.

    The rest of what you wrote is more of the IG.

  • Bailey22

    I called the guy a moron. Get over yourself all high and mighty. Ur awfully butt hurt about such a mild insult. People like u remind me of grade school tattle tails. I call it as I see it. If I offend some squares I’m good with that..everybody is offended by everything anyways

  • Bailey22

    Turnovers=bad
    Defense=good
    Ya I think Archie can figure that out. Ok creamer couldn’t grasp that for some reason

  • Bailey22

    Lol. Don’t care if it does or doesn’t Nancy

  • IdahoHoosier

    I get what you are saying. Blackmon missed 4 games though. If he’d missed say, half the season, it would be more important to adjust numbers. I don’t think it makes a huge difference as it stands.

  • Bailey22

    No thanks. I’ll do it my way. Glad to have Archie and even happier to see crean go. Try not to get so upset about a mild insult..it’s kinda sad really.

  • Bailey22

    Be responsible with it? Some of you are just ridiculous. I called the guy a moron. Didn’t cuss and said nothing vulgar. If people want to be offended by that then that’s their problem. Not
    Mine. I can keep goin all day if you’d like..

  • VOXAC30

    LOL… Not but hurt at all… just pointing out how classless you are for making moronic statements.

  • VOXAC30

    By all means… continue to make a fool of yourself.

  • Bailey22

    Crean is a moron=moronic statements? A little dramatic there man..u need to lighten up a bit.

  • IULore

    Wow, this comment section is really terrible now.

  • VOXAC30

    I love everything Archie is doing so far but I also loved it when Sampson was hired. I actually had dinner with the Sampson, well me and 75 other people, but I did get to speak to him at length. When Sampson was fired and what he did was revealed I felt sick I graduated from IU and have been a fan for since I was a kid. Crean made us respectable again but he wasn’t the guy to get number 6 but he has played a vital role in setting things right. Archie may be the next Coach K I really think that but your right if he isn’t it could be a long road ahead.

  • Arch Puddington

    Two B1G titles in five years says rather emphatically that your petty insult is just baseless noise.He wasn’t able to sustain the kind of success we expect at IU, and by all accounts seemed to have reached the limit of what he could accomplish, but he is both a good coach and a good man. The same would not be said of people who go online to insult people they have never even met.

  • Bailey22

    His erratic subbing, lack of d, carelessness of the ball and complete ineptness of recruiting a team instead of random players says otherwise. Didn’t realize moron would hit such a nerve with u guys..so sensitive

  • Bailey22

    Im trying

  • Arch Puddington

    Not sensitive, rational. Civilized. Able to be critical and disagree without name calling or pointlessly personal attacks.

    And I would point out that you did not limit your comments to calling him a moron. You said “just thinking of him makes me nauseous.” And all that because he didn’t win as many games as you wanted. Nice.

  • Bailey22

    Thanks

  • Arch Puddington

    There is no meaningful metric by which Kelvin Sampson is a better coach than CTC, or even as good. To wit:

    — CTC has won 3 conference titles in 18 years as a D1 head coach; Sampson has 1 in 24 years
    — If you exclude even just his first two years at IU, CTC has a better winning percentage in conference play than Sampson (57.3% to 56.6%)
    — They have both been to one Final Four.

    And of course, Sampson left IU in ruins after recruiting some poor characters and violating recruiting rules. I know that the standard meme is that he was an excellent technical coach — better than CTC — but there is just no way to support that empirically. If I were picking between the two strictly on their records, never mind their integrity, I’d still go with CTC.

  • Koko

    First of all I wrote a comment and you are the one that attacked and OM you are very good at the “because I said so” point of view. That is the beauty of this blog…I can throw stuff all over the place as long as it is within the group rules set forth by the moderators….not you.

  • John D Murphy

    I’m not saying we have the pieces to make it to the elite 8. I just don’t think depth is what will prevent us from getting to the 2nd weekend. We might go through some early lumps where we learn to play longer more extended minutes but that will pay dividends at the end of the season.

  • John D Murphy

    I know depth is one of the issues we have diverging opinions on. Given the comments on one of the other threads, I feel obliged to thank you as someone always takes differences of opinions as just that…and doesn’t take them as personal insults. Thanks

  • John D Murphy

    Wish I could give you more than a single uptick.

  • Koko

    You mean my comments making predictions and writing ludicrous unsupported opinions don’t fit into your obvious need of numbers and statistics that come up with the real “why” in everything one says? You are indeed a prognosticator. Now me?….I just throw stuff against the wall that stir up all the prognosticators. I guess it worked with you. What does nick do at the end of most of his comments?…..LOL

  • Koko

    Looks like it might go up the east side of Florida and head your way…..you take care too. Either way I think we both are going to get wind and rain….the question is how much? Koko the girl dog is doing good. Thanks for your concern.

  • John D Murphy

    Your conference stats are not correct. KS was 10-6 his first year and 11-2 his second year in conference. 72%. KS was also 74% in his overall record to TC 67% over his final six years. Sampson was also 2-2 making NCAA.

  • Arch Puddington

    The conference records to which I was referring were for their entire careers, not just in the B1G. Sampson coached in the Pac-10 (as it was then called), the Big 8/Big 12, the B1G, and most recently the AAC. Crean coached in Conference USA, the Big East, and the B1G. The winning percentages I quoted were accurate.

    As for the overall record, I find that a bit less meaningful because non-conference schedules are so uneven. Not that the figures I gave are “apples to apples”, but they do at least reflect their records against the best competition they faced, and in many cases against coaches who knew them well. And again, I could reasonably have withheld the first three years of CTC’s time at IU, in which case his win percentage goes up significantly. Sampson just has not done as well as CTC in conference play, and I find that telling.

    I might also add that even though Sampson has coached 6 more seasons that CTC, he has made it to the round of 32 or further the same number of times as CTC has in 18 years. He did make an Elite 8 in addition to the Final Four, but then CTC has three Sweet 16’s to Sampson’s one. So again, against top competition, CTC’s record is every bit as good as Sampson’s, and arguably better given 6 fewer seasons to work with.

  • William Stephens

    Only thing that is really sad is you, Bailey22. Tom Crean did as much as he could, rebuilt the Hoosier program, played within the rules, graduated players and won B1G titles. To date I have yet to see your team reach the final four, so if you can do it better, it’s only in your dreams. Go back to sleep and win the “Big One”. Then wake up and ask the customer if they want to “supersize their order! I’ll be watching for you in the final four this year! LOL.

  • Bailey22

    I’m so offended lol

  • Outoftheloop

    Ole my numbers are as official as they come: from the IU website archived statistics, the same place that gave Idaho his averages. Mine are actual verifiable numbers as well, not opinion. If you take all of the averages and total them you get more than the Hoosier’s averaged per game. But if you total all of the actual points scored and divide by the total of conference games (18), you get the Hoosier’s exact average per game. My numbers are the actual numbers! I don’t “want the numbers” to say anything. Even Idaho now admits that the loss of Jsmes, Thomas, and OG reduces IU scoring in the B1G by “31” points per game, the actual number is 30.61 points per game. My opinion is that increases from Robert, Josh, Curtis, Devonte, DeRon, Juwan, Tim, and McFly plus production fro the new players Justin, Collin, Clifton, and Al will more than make up for this.

  • Outoftheloop

    A beer at Nick’s is always fun!

  • Outoftheloop

    Yes.

  • VOXAC30

    Triple H. Hopeless Hoosier Homers

  • VOXAC30

    If OG and CH were not injured I don’t think we would have gotten Archie. My reasoning being we would have won two or three more games and made it to the tournament.

  • Ole Man

    Hey, I enjoy your comments. You go out of your way to add knowledgeable opinion.
    That’s all that we all offer: opinion. Lively, respectful debate is more than appreciated. I cannot tell you how much I have learned from others on this site and in the paid forum. And most of the time it has been in response to one of my opinions where they have “corrected it” or amended it with their knowledge.