Film Session: “HAVOC”

Indiana coughed up the ball 22 times against VCU’s “HAVOC” defense on Saturday night. Such a mark was a season high.

We’ll look at two second half Jordan Hulls turnovers and two scoring plays in the closing minutes against the Rams’ D in the latest edition of Film Session.

1)

Hulls has the ball and looks to initiate the offense:

Cody Zeller goes to set a ball screen for Hulls, but he ends up slipping the screen. DJ Haley hedges and begins to trap Hulls:

Hulls tries to go around him to the right:

But Haley continues to force him out and Hulls picks up a backcourt violation:

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2) 

Victor Oladipo passes to Zeller:

Zeller turns left as Hulls curls up from the baseline:

Hulls looks to drive right but is again met by Haley:

Hulls is again forced further out:

Hulls tries passing to Will Sheehey, but it’s intercepted by Rob Brandenberg for another turnover:

Hulls had trouble with VCU’s halfcourt defense all game, as he tallied five turnovers on the evening.

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3)

Here, it’s Oladipo initiating the offense with Indiana down five:

Instead of setting a ball screen for Oladipo, Zeller gets position at the free throw line and receives an entry pass in the high post:

He makes a move right:

And puts home a tough basket:

On this possession, Indiana avoided any perimeter trapping and Oladipo was able to get Zeller involved.

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4) 

Oladipo grabs an offensive rebound and he’s off to the races:

Just before the 3-point line, he switches the ball into his left hand:

Oladipo is blocked at the rim:

But it goes right to Sheehey, who shoots and scores the game-winning basket:

Another way to avoid “HAVOC”? Beat it down the cout before it gets a chance to set up, as Oladipo did here.

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  • Kokomo_Joe

    We could use VJIII badly.  He would have made a huge impact vs VCU.  We will need his length against UK.

    Hulls isn’t cutting it against longer, quicker or athletic teams.  He is good as the #2 guard, but not at the PG.  To me this is our biggest concern against UK.  VO will have to handle the ball more and he needs to be far more efficient.

    With that being said, I am absolutely ecstatic that IU is in the Sweet 16.  This has been a great season and this group has shown a chemistry and the tru meaning of “team”.  I am so looking forward to next season and beyond as this program continues to strengthen.

    As for CTC, I truly feel like he has improved as a tactical coach this season.  He has made good strides and feel like he is moving up the ranks of the better coaches in college basketball.

  • Hoosier in GA

    We seemed to play into their hands with the high ball screens as it seemed to allow the hedging defender an opportunity to double easily.  Although we were pretty good in getting the ball up to the floor in beating the press, we definitely still struggled with the pressure.  Definitely thought that this was going to be a tough game for Hulls and thought VJIII would have helped out. 

    I’m worried about Hulls again with the Kentucky game.  Whoever he guarding is going to have a big advantage with foot speed.  Will have to disguise defenses to hopefully throw Kentucky off a bit.

  • JerryCT

    Good work Ryan on picking the most definitive concepts of the VCU game ………………

    1. the trapping of Hulls

    2. the adjustment we made

    Hulls is not the only ball handler this year to be embarrassed by VCU . However his non feeding of the roller all year cost him here and this is what I see.

    + the natural tendency for a trapped player is to try to dribble out of it

    + all this does is put him further from any help and in greater danger

    + when players come out to help the trap that just makes it even easier for 1 man to defend 2

    + the solution is to stop and pass immediately , in this case to the screener CZ.

    + all that is required is a quick dump off since CZ’s guy who is devoted to trapping is not even thinking about trying to recover

    + VCU did this all night recognizing the high ball screen for Hulls was their cue/signal to trap

    This is easily seen in the video. VCU seemed to only target Hulls , not ABell or VO

    So what was the answer ?

    + donot set a high ball screen

    + feed CZ at the high post and work from there

     

  • HoosierDaddy

    I would only add that our players are doing a better job of executing the gameplan too. VO almost cost us the game by leaving his man, and then stated in the post game interview that CTC said during the timeout “don’t leave the shooters open.” Far to often often the coaches get blamed when teams lose, and players praised when teams win. I highly doubt CTC has not attempted to make in-game adjustments in the past, but rather our players are now executing those adjustments at much better rate.

  • psvirsky

    Yogi could have started and made a HUGE impact for us Saturday night.  Man I can’t wait to have a PG like that on the team.

  • Peter

    So sick of hearing the media talk about “havoc” defense.

    Wanna know a good defense? How about when your opponent scores 4 points in the final 12+ minutes. That’s some good D.

    BEAT KENTUCKY!

  • BtownBeliever

    I’m hoping Remy can handle the ball to free up Jordan as a shooting guard. He’s learning. I am worried about IU collapsing & leaving the perimeter shooters open. Happened against WI, NMS and VCU. Kentucky won’t miss. Other than that, Indiana can take ‘em.

    ps…Kentucky all class about the rematch. Can’t say the same for the (anal)ysts.

  • Will The Thrill

    Havoc is for real, and if IU never has to face it again it will be too soon.  Shaka needs to stay in Richmond – Illinois sucks anyway.

    The worry now is whether UK will see the Hulls implosion and come up with their own plan.  Something tells me though that Remy will be the cure for that.  He’s pretty much fearless and can go toe to toe athletically with the pUKe 5-stars.

  • DarkSouth

    I think Yogi would have similar issues as Hulls, he wouldn’t be able to see over a trap. And two quick guys without the ball can move more quickly than a guy with it.

    Big guards and guys like Watford who can pass over the top are difficult to trap, probably why they didn’t bother when Watford brought the ball up. But trying to dribble through it, like quick guards frequently try to do, is what they want.

  • Aheath72

    I agree that Hulls struggled in this game because of trying to dribble out of the trap, but you will notice that our wings weren’t rolling up in to an open position on either of those turnovers shown here, or the one’s in the first half.

    I think that the trouble would have been limited by using the flat screen when out high because the defender can’t hedge as hard and anticipate enough to trap…

    In the end you can only hope that it is a learning experience…

  • Aheath72

    I agree that Hulls struggled in this game because of trying to dribble out of the trap, but you will notice that our wings weren’t rolling up in to an open position on either of those turnovers shown here, or the one’s in the first half.

    I think that the trouble would have been limited by using the flat screen when out high because the defender can’t hedge as hard and anticipate enough to trap…

    In the end you can only hope that it is a learning experience…

  • psvirsky

    That sounds very reasonable but why do you have to insist on killing my dreams?

  • slojoe

    On Hulls II Olidapo should have presented himself on top so Hulls had an outlet.  Instead he was standing 25′ to 30′ from basket in a postion to do nothing except perhaps get back shut off a fastbreak on the steal.

  • WhatsUpKnight

    i must be crazy, but i almost think playing uk will seem like a picnic after surviving the vcu game. on the offensive side at least

  • Hardwood83

     If you were a prosecutor & I on a jury, I would vote to ‘convict’ based in the case you presented.

    I love Jordy and disagree with those that say he isn’t the answer at point. His mistakes were decision making, not ability. VO simply does not have the skills right now to run the point- at least against any pressure. I trust that will be addressed in the off-season.

    However, Hulls played quite poorly Sat and that was his fault. Less dribbling and more passing would sure help.

  • Hardwood83

     If you were a prosecutor & I on a jury, I would vote to ‘convict’ based in the case you presented.

    I love Jordy and disagree with those that say he isn’t the answer at point. His mistakes were decision making, not ability. VO simply does not have the skills right now to run the point- at least against any pressure. I trust that will be addressed in the off-season.

    However, Hulls played quite poorly Sat and that was his fault. Less dribbling and more passing would sure help.

  • http://twitter.com/IUMitchell Deon M

    I think Hulls will be find on defense.  I say he guard LaMB.  hE just want to shoot 3s.  Kentucky offense goes through MKG and UniBrow mostly. TJ gets a lot of looks.  I think they focus on Zeller this game.     

    They will double Zeller and deal with closing out on the 3 pointers.  Matt Roth go and have a Mo Creek type of game. 

  • hoosier22

    Checked the box score from December. (http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=313440084) and re-watched that game today (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyxPFCNeq6E).

    We didn’t have Roth in this game, who needs to be a factor during the tournament. And part of the problem during the last 6-7 minutes of the 2nd half of the first game is that we weren’t trying to get Davis completely out of the game by getting the ball to Cody.

    The roster we did have for that game was the following: Oladipo, VJ3, Watford, Zeller, and Hulls. Off the bench we had Moore, Pritchard, and Sheehey. Hulls, Jones, and Oladipo had 5, 5, and 3 turnovers respectively, which I thought were a lot of mistakes that could’ve been prevented (e.g. a lot of them bad passes).

    Now we could have some good output from Remy, Roth, and Elston from this game.  We have grown in depth throughout the year, which is what a lot of the analysts don’t understand.

    Remember that we were able to pull away to about a 10pt lead and keep the lead until we stopped going low and let the lead slip away.

  • Cpallen14

    This game was the first time since I can remember where I wanted Hulls out of the game. I agree that the curling high ball screen we ran, just played into what VCU was tryng to do. With the 22 turnovers, we essentially wasted 1/3 of our possesions… but we still found a way to win. We did that by playing tough defense in the second half and by outrebounding them throughout. And of course, we shot 52% from the feild. Hulls had a rough game all around… he didn’t find his shot, he turned the ball over and he was a liability defensively. We will need him to take care of the ball and hit open shots if we plan on knocking kentucky out of the tournament. And…. I think he will! Let’s go hoosiers… let’s beat kentucky x2!

  • millzy32

    We all have to be ecstatic about where this team is and how far they’ve come but this isn’t over.  IU needs to beat pUKe on Friday night if for nothing else than who better to stop that evil empire from hanging number ugh 8.  It is in our hands.  Beat them twice in the same season when they are the overall favorites is actually an all time great accomplishment.  Even better yet if we win on Friday then who else would we even think of being scared to play?  We beat MSU, OSU and we know we are capable of beating any team in the country.  This is a great year but has the potential to go down in history. 

    Win it for Verdell.  Win it for Creek.  Heck, win it for Austin Etherington who cheers louder than anyone over there on the bench (he’s a maniac over there and I love it.)

  • millzy32

    I know they only returned 1 starter but VCU and their HAVOC system are no slouches and a team to be reckoned with.  Smart isn’t the hottest commodity in the Mid Major coaching pool for nothing.  He gets the absolute best out of his guys and we beat them somehow (even though I was a little nervous there for a while).

  • millzy32

    I know they only returned 1 starter but VCU and their HAVOC system are no slouches and a team to be reckoned with.  Smart isn’t the hottest commodity in the Mid Major coaching pool for nothing.  He gets the absolute best out of his guys and we beat them somehow (even though I was a little nervous there for a while).

  • Kokomo_Joe

    I thought of the same thing DS, but i am only hoping that Yogi doesn’t demonstrate the same “trap finder” sonar Hulls seems to exhibit against longer, taller and more athletic teams.

    VJ would have been the answer the other night.  Remy could be the answer to this should Yogi prove to have the “trap finder” technology that Hulls does. 

  • millzy32

    The best thing about this IU team this year is that nobody takes them serious even though they keep on winning.  It’s like IU must be winning by some kind of Voodoo Magic or Trickery or something.  Let them wonder how we did it.  Let them call us lucky which believe me they are doing (I live in Cleveland and everybody had to tell me how lucky IU got to win).  Who cares.  This team is good and has proven that they rise to the challenge of athletic and talented teams and play their best when only their best will do.  I am excited about Friday night. 

    “Hoosier Fans get your Popcorn, it’s gonna be a show”  No reason to believe that another victory isn’t coming.  This team just keeps defying logic.  It only takes 6 games to win a title and you only have to be the best team that night. 

    Go Hoosiers.

  • millzy32

    Calipari is dirty and slimy but he’s also smart enough to tell his guys to shut their mouths and not give the other team any extra reason to motivate them.  His recruiting practices are suspect and his coaching is so so but he is a great motivator.  Lets just hope the motivation for the Hoosiers comes from within and the guys can dig deep for the biggest win of the last 25 years. 

  • millzy32

    Zeller needs to stay out of foul trouble.  If we get the refs from the PUke vs Kansas game no one will foul out until there’s blood on the court.  That game was rough and I only watched the first half.

  • N71

    For the Kentucky game here’s what I’m concerned with:

    1. Teague being aggressive and effective the entire game versus just the last 8 or so minutes.
    2. T. Jones having a pulse this time around and out to prove something
    3. Davis not getting into foul trouble and staying on the court longer

    This sure looks like a difficult matchup but UK could be described as a difficult matchup for the Charlotte Bobcats.  I would think it all starts with great, great defense and then let the chips fall wherever they may.  They can defend us well at all 5 positions so a disruptive defense that leads to breaks and disorganized play would be a better path for us versus letting them set up their D and exploiting their talent.  

  • N71

    For the Kentucky game here’s what I’m concerned with:

    1. Teague being aggressive and effective the entire game versus just the last 8 or so minutes.
    2. T. Jones having a pulse this time around and out to prove something
    3. Davis not getting into foul trouble and staying on the court longer

    This sure looks like a difficult matchup but UK could be described as a difficult matchup for the Charlotte Bobcats.  I would think it all starts with great, great defense and then let the chips fall wherever they may.  They can defend us well at all 5 positions so a disruptive defense that leads to breaks and disorganized play would be a better path for us versus letting them set up their D and exploiting their talent.  

  • Oregoniu

    Still feel Jordy is getting a bum wrap on his performance, he did all he could. Look at the film break down above, I was there and saw with my own eyes, the team was standing, not moving to help. The only help he got was a high ball screen that only played right into VCU’s trap. He was left to ‘twist in the wind’. The coaches should have provided a better counter-attack, they knew what was coming. Instead of taking time to dribble the ball up court IMHO they should have passed to CZ at center court like WSU did the 2nd half the night before and almost won. One thing was obvious, after watching the ‘Havoc’ defense you can’t excessively dribble against it, you can’t move the ball along the sidelines, you have to attach center court (the foul line was open for business) which CTC did have CZ attack during the last 6 minutes (see last film clip above) . IU needed a lot more CZ during that game. Thanks for the film breakdowns they are a lot of fun

  • Kenneth234

    Alright, for all of those who actually believe Verdell Jones lll would have made some great difference in the VCU game, let us look at the season stats.  VJlll has a total of 73 turnovers in 30 games, or 735 minutes played, (also he has been a ball handler, but not the primary ball handler for a majority of those minutes).  That is 1 turnover every ten minutes of floor time (also none of that time was against a defense as aggressive as VCU’s). 

    Jordan Hulls has committed now, after the VCU game that was without question his toughest game to date, has committed 76 turnovers in 35 games, or 1,051 minutes.  That is 1 turnover 13.8 minutes.  If you take away his performance against VCU, he would have 71 turnovers in 1,021 minutes; an a turnover every 14.3 minutes (most of which as the primary ball handler). 

    The lesson here is simple.  A healthy Verdell Jones lll, is more turnover prone than Jordan Hulls.  He has proved it for 4 years.  Not only that, Verdell Jones also is far less of a threat shooting the ball than is Jordan Hulls. 

    So I urge you to quit this false paradigm that you believe VJlll would have been some great savior for the game on Saturday, it is just not true.  Many of VJlll’s turnovers this year were simply lapses of concentration and not because of tremendous defensive pressure.  The only other player that has more turnovers than Verdell Jones lll is VO.  But VO’s turnovers have been because he is trying too hard and is going a 100 mph trying to make a statement.  I would take VO’s turnovers over the turnovers that VJllll makes every day of the week.  VO’s turnovers are often the ball being lost out of bounds, VJlll’ s turnovers were often on the wing that lead to transition baskets.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001505307552 Kyle Etherington

    I’ve watched the Sheehey video at least twenty times and it never gets old! Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers!

  • SCHoosier

    It was the half court traps that killed us..we got the ball up the court ok. Jones height vs. Hulls MIGHT have allowed him to throw the ball over the traps..however..the key was..Hulls did not follow Creans gameplan and dribbled too much. Anybody taking the ball on the dirbble sideline to sideline was in deep do-do agains those traps…and forced everybody to play more quickly than the gameplan called for. Crean said he wanted them to play dowhill (toward the basket with crisp passes. Mostly..that didn’t happen.

  • SCHoosier

    UK’s defense is tough enuff without a press..they can presure individually because he somebody makes a mistake..Davis is there to clean it up..and boy does he. I don’t think Cal will risk fouling in aa regular press given his short bench, But what do I know. I second your motion on the VCU defense.

  • Classof73_N1Fan

    I think that if Illinois and Nebraska neither one higher Shaka Smart they are nuts.

    What a neat team he would bring to the B1G.

  • DarkSouth

    Ha, look at it this way:  Watford breaks a trap by passing over the top of two guards.  Yogi gets that pass and has a 4-on-3 with Zeller and Oladipo filling the lanes and Hulls spotting up on the wing. 

    Better?

  • DarkSouth

    Ha, look at it this way:  Watford breaks a trap by passing over the top of two guards.  Yogi gets that pass and has a 4-on-3 with Zeller and Oladipo filling the lanes and Hulls spotting up on the wing. 

    Better?

  • N71

    Hey, keep that under your hat.  We don’t want Shaka in the Big Ten, he’d be hard to beat, particularly at Illinois, there are already enough difficult games as it is.  Ask Northwestern.

  • N71

    Hey, keep that under your hat.  We don’t want Shaka in the Big Ten, he’d be hard to beat, particularly at Illinois, there are already enough difficult games as it is.  Ask Northwestern.

  • Kenneth234

    Someone commented about his style is a bad fit for Illinois because it would be a style that blue chip recruites would not want to play.  It is something that you can get players who were passed up by the major schools to buy into because they are desperate to compete at that level.  With that being said (and which I think makes a lot of sense), I think Nebraska is a more fitting situation than Illinois because lets face it, Nebraska is not likely to get that top notch talent that Illinois can.  But at the same time, I don’t think that Nebraska is a likely place for shaka to go to. 

  • http://twitter.com/IUMitchell Deon M

    Remy should hold Teague in check.  May even draw a few fouls on the guy.
    T. Jones pulse.  C-Wat heart attack.
    Cody gets every one in foul trouble.  Get ready.

    I’m concerned with MKG attacking and penetration against Hulls to the lane.

  • http://twitter.com/IUMitchell Deon M

    Remy should hold Teague in check.  May even draw a few fouls on the guy.
    T. Jones pulse.  C-Wat heart attack.
    Cody gets every one in foul trouble.  Get ready.

    I’m concerned with MKG attacking and penetration against Hulls to the lane.

  • hgdownunder

     Etherington – love that guy.  Love him for the Movement.  Love that he hasn’t  been thrown to the wolves like the previous generations.  He will be a star.

  • hgdownunder

     Etherington – love that guy.  Love him for the Movement.  Love that he hasn’t  been thrown to the wolves like the previous generations.  He will be a star.

  • Brklynhoosier

     I’ve been trying to find a copy of this game FOREVER.  Thanks for posting, hoosier22!

  • Shime

    CTC has always been a great tactical coach. Ask the coaches in the Big East and the coaches around the country aqnd they all talk about what an excellent coach he is.  I am pretty sure it was coach Calhoun that said he was glad he did not have to face him anymore in the Big East. I said in an earlier post he is an excellent X and O guy.

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