Around the Hall: A mock lock, significance of 20 wins

Around the Hall is recommended reading from the Inside the Hall crew. So go ahead, get your read on.

+ A panel of media members currently participating in a mock selection process for the NCAA Tournament placed the Hoosiers among a group of twenty teams considered a “lock” to make the field. And the tournament selection committee chair reiterated that that committee doesn’t look at conference standings or a conference record.

+ Bob Kravitz of The Indianapolis Star writes that 20 wins for Indiana basketball has been a long time coming.

+ Rick Bozich of The Louisville Courier-Journal looks at IU’s success in a season where many believed a NIT berth was their ceiling.

+ The Hoosiers check-in at No. 10 in Luke Winn’s power rankings over at SI.com. Winn digs into Indiana’s efficiency in possessions after timeouts.

Cody Zeller lands at No. 2 in the latest freshman of the year standings on CBSSports.com.

+ After admitting he coached not to lose this season, Bruce Weber issued a statement to clarify the comments he made following the Illini’s loss to Purdue.

+ The March Madness on Demand product, now known as March Madness Live, is introducing a fee-based option for this year’s tournament.

  • millzy32

    Again,  No way Haith doesn’t get coach of the year.  Missouri has never won anything and he has them strongly ranked in the top 5 and an almost lock 1 or 2 seed and he’s a first year coach of the program and there are a few other reasons as well. 

    When we win the national title Crean can be coach of the year too.  That is when he will truly deserve it no matter what.  Let Haith have it this year he certainly has credentials and there’s little chance that Missouri wins a title in any of our lifetimes so let him have it.

  • millzy32

    Nothing else to do up there.

  • Plane1972

    You know, we’ve been very lucky not to have a youthful transgression on Crean’s watch. A credit to the coaches and players, but I know what guys that age are capable of. I mean, I’ve read about it. Let’s hope our luck holds out in that area.

  • Will The Thrill

    I hate to wade into the UM timeout debate, but to me it’s a classic scenario of short term focus vs. long term development.  Yes, if you look at it ONLY in the context of this game and this situation, a timeout made sense.  They were stinking it up without a doubt ad didn’t have any intensity.

    But Coach Crean was looking long term – looking at a team who knew what they needed to do but didn’t have the intensity to do it on the road, just as happened so many times before.  So instead of being the nanny coach and calling a TO to tell them to do nothing different game-plan wise, he elected to let them learn through a little short term pain.  This was not a guy lost in the headlights – he knew exactly what he was doing.  And guess what happened their next road game at Purdue – behold they came out swinging and never let up.

    So in the grand scheme of things, letting these guys learn what a lack of intensity gets you on the road in the B10 by not being the bailout guy MAY have taught them something.  And when this season is over, is anyone going to look back to that lone BI0 road game and say that not taking that timeout ruined our season?  

  • http://www.vccm.net/ iubase

    milla – yeah I remember how cold it was in Madison this time of yr and I am from VT….gotta love the way CTC did it…no compromising his principles, and now with the good recruits coming in we are set to make some deep runs into the tourny….like we discussed with the Whisky situation (eg regarding there style of play) - I feel the upside of this IU team now is higher than Whisky, and next yr it just gets better…..oh, put some socks on….and do that scandavian thing and jump in the snow…..with only the socks on…

  • http://www.vccm.net/ iubase

    milla – yeah I remember how cold it was in Madison this time of yr and I am from VT….gotta love the way CTC did it…no compromising his principles, and now with the good recruits coming in we are set to make some deep runs into the tourny….like we discussed with the Whisky situation (eg regarding there style of play) - I feel the upside of this IU team now is higher than Whisky, and next yr it just gets better…..oh, put some socks on….and do that scandavian thing and jump in the snow…..with only the socks on…

  • http://www.vccm.net/ iubase

    exactly

  • Oldguyy

    I’m just glad I wasn’t arrested for that when the cops caught me riding one of the fishes in Showalter Fountain!

  • IUMIKE1

    Gotta make them PU girls look pretty some how.

    I can hear Porkchop now, “DJ you CAN be back on the right path by March 4…can’t you ? wink wink”

    “oh, yea coach absolutely, but I’m telling you right now it’s gonna happen again after that game cause I know what’s gonna happen, It’s Indiana coach, It’s Indiana, you understand that don’t you ? “

  • MillaRed

    Funny stuff. The Polar Plunge is this weekend. Feel free to join us. Socks only might result in a fine.

    The thing about Coach is, he keeps everything so tight to the vest. I for one am very guilty of trying to get inside his head. Our team was fragile in the first 3 years, the timeout situation looks to be more of a mentality and part of the game plan, even if I do kick the dog and tell my wife she smells funny in the process.

    I believe in CTC. But not blindly. And that isn’t personal. I just pretend to know a little bit about basketball. And sometimes that is good, other times bad. Such is life.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Millzy, we play Sunday at 6…not Saturday.

  • cooper

    True but it seemed Knight never called them at the end of the game and Crean won’t call one until there are less than 5 min left in the game

  • calbert40

    I won’t be surprised if Haith wins it, but I don’t think he is a shoo-in.

    Mizzou hasn’t played a very tough schedule, and I personally believe the Big 12 is a joke outside of Mizzou, Kansas and Baylor.  They definitely don’t have some of the marquee wins that we have.

    Most importantly, though, is that Mizzou was solid team last season.  Sure, they have improved quite a bit, but they won 23 games last season.

    IU has some high quality marquee wins, and has just gone through the worst 3 year stretch in 50 years.  If IU has any success in March, I think CTC would be the favorite.

  • calbert40

    College-aged kids do stupid things.  We’ve all been there (not necessarily what Byrd did, but you know what I mean).  I don’t think it reflects poorly on a coach when something like this happens.  What reflects poorly on the coach and the program is when the coach handles the situation poorly.  Let’s see how Painter deals with this.

  • calbert40

    College-aged kids do stupid things.  We’ve all been there (not necessarily what Byrd did, but you know what I mean).  I don’t think it reflects poorly on a coach when something like this happens.  What reflects poorly on the coach and the program is when the coach handles the situation poorly.  Let’s see how Painter deals with this.

  • calbert40

    “Right or wrong I think Crean felt that his teams of the past few years
    were too fragile to accept constructive criticism during games.  This
    year that has changed and it is a pleasant surprise.”

    I think you are right.  I think CTC understood that he wasn’t going to be able to compete those first 3 seasons, and he didn’t want to brow beat the team.  The losses were hard enough to deal with, and the team didn’t need him chewing their butts off every day.  While the team wasn’t winning many games, I don’t think any of us would question the players’ effort those first three seasons.

    I really believe he was preparing the team to be good in the years down the line instead of that particular season.  He laid the foundation with the current players and then once he started getting more talent they had confidence they could win some games.

    This year, you can tell he expects more.

  • calbert40

    Byrd suspended for 1 game (MSU) and Barlow dismissed from the program!!

    Time to give credit where it is due.  This situation has been handled well by Painter and that AD’s office.

  • IUJeff

    Wow. He is now suspended and thug Barlow has been kicked off the team…

  • IUJeff

    Wow. He is now suspended and thug Barlow has been kicked off the team…

  • http://www.vccm.net/ iubase

    such is life

  • MillaRed

     I’m hearing Barlow gave the choke signal on his way out of the bar.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    I can’t wait for the IU students to ride him harder than a KY Derby horse on the home stretch.

    Here’s to you Byrd giving our students even more to cheer about.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    I can’t wait for the IU students to ride him harder than a KY Derby horse on the home stretch.

    Here’s to you Byrd giving our students even more to cheer about.

  • Plane1972

    I agree. A coach cannot babysit his players 24/7. You have to have skill to choose the right guys in the first place and some luck that they make good decisions when faced with the newfound freedoms the collegiate life presents. I don’t blame Painter one bit for this and feel he has handled everything admirably from what I have read.

  • Walt

    Would have loved to see a few IU fans give him the choke sign as he was dragged from the bar.  Do not live in God’s country at the moment. What happened to Byrd and Barlow? Were they together?

  • SCHoosier

    I mean a good chance to make the big Dance and they opt for the big drunk////..sipping ..boilermakers no doubt. Now its boiler upchuck.

  • SCHoosier

    I don’t think I want to go there..attracted to mermaids are you?:)

  • SCHoosier

    I don’t think I want to go there..attracted to mermaids are you?:)

  • SCHoosier

    The “ATO’s”??where;s their house located..good lookin bunch of girls??:) I mean come on..ATO’s..geez no wonder statistics is flunk out course in the Business School):

  • Geoff_85

    I wouldn’t say we’re very lucky, rather I would say that Coach Crean doesn’t recruit those types of players. I don’t think Byrd is a bad kid, but he is a punk. They fed his ego big time while he was at North Mont. Where he messed up though was going to a bar with Barlow. That kid just can’t get it right. He has been in trouble a few times before and was on zero tolerance. I know that you can’t control these kids all the time, but this probably would have been prevented had Barlow been kicked off the team prior to this incident, and with the way Coach Crean cleaned house upon his arrival in Bloomington, I believe he would have done just that. Props to you for giving Coach Crean and stuff kudos for this not happening during their time at Indiana — I wasn’t trying to be argumentative or anything, just giving my take.

  • Geoff_85

    I wouldn’t say we’re very lucky, rather I would say that Coach Crean doesn’t recruit those types of players. I don’t think Byrd is a bad kid, but he is a punk. They fed his ego big time while he was at North Mont. Where he messed up though was going to a bar with Barlow. That kid just can’t get it right. He has been in trouble a few times before and was on zero tolerance. I know that you can’t control these kids all the time, but this probably would have been prevented had Barlow been kicked off the team prior to this incident, and with the way Coach Crean cleaned house upon his arrival in Bloomington, I believe he would have done just that. Props to you for giving Coach Crean and stuff kudos for this not happening during their time at Indiana — I wasn’t trying to be argumentative or anything, just giving my take.

  • Geoff_85

    They’ve got seniors on that team that contribute quite a bit to their success – Denmon, English, Bowers, Matt Pressey, Bell, and Ratliffe. 3 of those seniors are top 11 in scoring in the Big 12 – Denmon 17.9ppg (2), Ratliffe 14ppg (9), and English 13.9ppg (11). I’m not saying Haith isn’t deserving of praise, but how many seniors has Coach Crean had during his whole career at Indiana? 2 starters that I can think of – Rivers and VJIII (the lone starting senior this year). Not to mention Coach Crean’s team plays in the toughest conference RPI wise in the nation. I just think Coach Crean has a better case for COY. PS, what the HELL was Painter thinking not taking the coaching job at Mizzou?

  • Evansville Hoosier

    Don’t they give out COY before the NCAA torunament starts? Because then the only postseason success would be the B1G tournament. Anyway, I don’t think Crean will win it, but I think that really sucks. He’s done more than enough to win

  • Evansville Hoosier

    You know based on our resume I would have said a 4 or a 5, but when you look at Lunardi’s Bracketology, I honestly think we have a good chance at a 3 seed. If we win out of the regular season we’ll get it, and if we only lose to MSU I still think we’ll get it. If we win the B1G tourney, it’s a stretch, but we could get a 2 seed.

  • Evansville Hoosier

    Ha that’s exactly how I feel when I’m on this site

  • plane1972

    “Those types of players” are any kid who makes a bad decision and gets caught. I’m sure Crean’s guys are upstanding citizens, but not choir boys. I feel reasonably sure they partake in adult beverages from time to time. Anytime that happens, some degree of luck is involved in staying out of trouble. Just sayin’.

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