Moore’s defense sparks Hoosiers

  • 12/05/2011 11:33 am in

Daniel Moore is used to playing just a couple minutes at a time.

He knows his role for Indiana is to provide energy off the bench and make the starters better in practice.

So when coach Tom Crean inserted Moore into the starting lineup to begin the second half against Stetson Sunday afternoon, Moore simply did what he does best.

The senior guard had two steals and two assists early in the second half, sparking an Indiana team that led just 33-29 at the break. Moore didn’t score, but finished the game with three steals, three assists and, according to Crean, a career-high 10 deflections.

“It’s not really anything you can practice,” Moore said after the Hoosiers’ 84-50 win. “I just know I’m only going to get a couple minutes at a time, so I’ve got to make them count. If it’s two minutes, then I can’t really waste 30 seconds or a minute kind of getting myself loose. I’ve got to be ready from the first play I get in.”

Crean said Moore was a big reason the Hoosiers opened the second half on a 7-0 run and outscored the Hatters 51-21 in the final 20 minutes. Moore pressured his man all over the court and took Stetson out of its comfort zone.

“I’m really pleased with how he ran the team,” Crean said. “He played under control but, at the same time, he played very fast, which is what we needed.

“Spark with a capital ‘S’ to start the second half.”

Moore, a former walk-on, has seen his minutes diminish as Crean has brought in more talent. He played only three minutes against Butler on Nov. 27 and didn’t see the court Wednesday night against N.C. State.

But that hasn’t fazed Moore.

“I just try to keep doing what I do well,” Moore said. “I’m not going to score a lot or do anything much more than that. I know my role, and I try to do that well.”

The Carmel, Ind. native brought the crowd to its feet with two alley-oop passes in the second half – one to Victor Oladipo and the other to Tom Pritchard.

Moore tried to get Pritchard – another senior who now gets fewer minutes – a dunk earlier in the game, but the pass was knocked away by a Stetson defender.

“Tom’s my buddy,” Moore said, “so I try to get him a bucket every now and then.”

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  • MillaRed

    Oh man don’t let Stonaroni read this or he will have a heart attack.

    Deep breaths man. Slow, deep breaths.

  • 11th and Done (Dunn)

    My biggest complaint with Moore throughout his career is that he frequently doesn’t take wide open shots. I can only recall seeing him take one 3 late in the shot clock and he ripped the net. Which makes it even more frustrating when defenses back off of him. I can’t think of how many times I’ve yelled at the t.v. “just shoot it Danny!” in the last 4 years.

  • HoosierDadE

    Alex, get the defibrillator on standby…

  • HoosierDadE

    Alex, get the defibrillator on standby…

  • stonaroni

    You are funny MillaRed.  It is a great read and it is 100% accurate.  Moore is a great kid and he hustles.  The best part of his game last night was his effort and 10 deflections.

    I am just hoping we can read something similar about Remy or AE getting a chance to do some damage on either end of the floor when we beat the next cupcake on the schedule or a Purdue, Mich St, Wisc, Ill, Mich, etc in Big 10 play. 

  • Anonymous

    As much as everyone loves to love Danny Moore, I think Stonaroni is correct. If you look around the B10, no one of DMs skill level is playing. And using the Sampson thing is a cop-out IMO, because this year we have guys, notably Remy, that could have done the same thing DM did. I agree with Stonaroni that it would have been nice to see Remy given the chance to shine. Also, benching Hulls for DM can’t scare Hulls at all. Yeah benching him made the point, but benching him for someone actually capable of playing against high level teams, and playing well (ie. Remy vs NCS), is a more threatening move.

    Moore played his role this game, not discounting that. Just agree that for a future stand point, IMO Remy benefits more than Moore – meaning IU benefits more.

    One other thing, very quickly – if you believe Moore could play against UK I think you are playing the Hoosier Hero card too much. I love the idea of a ‘Rudy’ on our team, but frankly Moore does not have the skill.

  • Anonymous

    I love it. IU don’t need no stinkin’ ‘Rudy, we’ve got our very own Danny. I hope that no matter how talented IU’s roster is there will always be room for Danny Moore type’s. Desire & enthusiasm don’t replace talent/skill but they definitely enhance it. Guys like this can make a collection of players into a team.

  • MillaRed

    Without “The Sampson thing” Danny not only would have went to Boston U on scholarship, he never would have seen the floor.

    Ever heard of Tu Holloway? Yeah, Jordy would be his backup right now.

  • MillaRed

    Without “The Sampson thing” Danny not only would have went to Boston U on scholarship, he never would have seen the floor.

    Ever heard of Tu Holloway? Yeah, Jordy would be his backup right now.

  • Anonymous

    “For so long, the easiest thing to do at Indiana was to play in the games. And that’s not it anymore.”
                                       — Tom Crean

    They’ve gotta earn minutes, which Moore has done. 

  • stonaroni

    I appreciate the support.

    Another thing I would like to point out about players like AE who isn’t getting time and Roth’s minutes could truly benefit to AE’s development.

    Most on here like to clamore about senior leadership, paying dues, seniority, etc. which can have some validity if that is what you believe in.  I do not, this is where we differ.

    But let’s look at at AE and Roth.  Sure we all know what Roth has done or what he can do and quite frankly he has a very limited role on this team.  AE has shown some good things on offense and not much on defense thru the 6 games he has played in shorts time fragments, usually garbage time.

    One can make the arguments that Roth is a SR and deserves the time over AE, but here are a few things to think about:

    1.  AE committed to IU after they team was 6-25, he stated he wanted to come here and help rebuild IU basketball.

    2.  AE could have jumped ship when Carlino de-committed, but he stayed firm in his belief that IU was the right fit and became an IU ambassador.

    3.  AE consistently pumped IU to other recruits like CZ, Buss, JH, Yogi, PJ, Hanner, etc. and he wasn’t even part of the program yet even though the college product was still 10-21 in 2010 and 12-20 in 2011.

    4.   Had IU lost Carlino ( Indiana Elite) and then lost AE (Indiana Elite) would we have scored CZ, Yogi, Buss, JH, PJ and Hanner (Indiana Elite)

    5.  AE had some other offers from Top 25 programs, so other coaches know he can play.

    So, one could argue that as a FR, AE has had a tremndous impact on this program before he even got here.  So is that worthy of minutes too?  If CTC is to reward committment, shouldn’t AE be rewarded as well as Roth or Moore?

    I am not looking for Remy or AE to start, I just want to see them develop.

  • JerryCT

    I volunteer you to give him mouth to mouth ………………. who knows ……… maybe you guys will actually develop a bond.

  • JerryCT

    I volunteer you to give him mouth to mouth ………………. who knows ……… maybe you guys will actually develop a bond.

  • Anonymous

    So next year are you going to be steamed if the freshman log less minutes than AE? Let’s face it, all 5 of those guys are more athletic then AE. I’m not bashing the kid by any means, just curious where you stand on that.

  • Anonymous

    I really do appreciate Daniel Moore’s hard work and intensity. I don’t know that anyone can disagree with his earning of a scholarship. However, there is no way that Daniel Moore will help us against the likes of Kentucky or really any Big Ten team. I know that he can make some great passes, plays with good technique on defense and leaves it all on the court every game, but he is simply not athletic enough to play against our tougher opponents. He deserves a lot of credit for what he’s done and been through, but Remy Abel needs to be getting most of Moore’s minutes. Remy is a player who has good athletic ability and could give us some help later in the year and even this Saturday, but he never gets the opportunity to play in these “guarantee” games and improve himself. As to him helping the starters in practice, Dan Dakich said it correctly while answering a question about this subject last week, “Butch Carter going against Mike Woodson is what makes players better, that is what Indiana is trying to get to.” I really do appreciate Daniel Moore, but he will not help us in the long run.

  • MillaRed

    Jerry, did you skip your Alzheimer’s meds again this morning?

  • MillaRed

    Help us what? Win a national championship? Of course not. No one is saying that.

    Help us increase a 4 point lead vs. Stetson? Yes.

    Help us compete in practice? Yes.

    Help us when our other guards need a fire lit under their butts? Yes.

    These are all “long run” scenarios, for 2011.

  • Anonymous

    As I have been saying for some time, Danny Moore earns his scholarship every day. I think that too little credit is being given to Coach Crean for the great attitude and significant basketball skill improvement of his first senior class at Indiana. Verdell, Tom, Matt and Danny have set the bar for an every year top “Program”. Job well done!

  • Anonymous

    Wrong, a real pest defender with toughness and energy always helps your team! Actually Dakich was a lot like Moore only bigger and stronger. But he got minutes for defense, rebounding, energy and knowing his “role”, not for talent or scoring. If Danny plays, Teague will hate every second that Moore is guarding him.

  • Anonymous

    Wrong, a real pest defender with toughness and energy always helps your team! Actually Dakich was a lot like Moore only bigger and stronger. But he got minutes for defense, rebounding, energy and knowing his “role”, not for talent or scoring. If Danny plays, Teague will hate every second that Moore is guarding him.

  • Anonymous

    The thing is is that Remy Abell could be a yes for the last three questions as well and possibly even the first one, and he will help is in areas where Moore won’t. I don’t really think we would’ve lost to Stetson without Daniel Moore, don’t tell me you do.

  • Anonymous

    AE and Remy aren’t entitled to minutes, they have to earn them.  They have to be on it in practice, ready to go everyday.  They have to show they know the plays, situations, and rotations the coaching staff wants on O and D.  There’s a number of other things they have to show the coaching staff, and have to show they’re better at those things than other guys on the team on a daily basis.

    The fact is, Roth isn’t getting minutes.  Pritchard isn’t getting many either.  Abel’s played more than Roth so far this season.  Seniority and dues aren’t dictating playing time. 

    We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, only that the coaching staff doesn’t think Abel and AE have earned playing time over the other guys yet.  It doesn’t mean it will stay this way, I think you mentioned Will last year as an example.  They’re going to get better and will get more playing time, just give it time.

  • Anonymous

    And before him Eric Suhr and many others!

  • IUfanPurduePhD

    Lord knows you’ve got that duty if The Pritch needs it…

  • Anonymous

    You keep forgetting that it is a team game. Sometimes inserting a true energy spark, gritty, tough senior with little talent (although Danny was an Indiana HS All-Star!) makes the TEAM better. As was proven last night and as Victor has said a few times now!

  • Anonymous

    You keep forgetting that it is a team game. Sometimes inserting a true energy spark, gritty, tough senior with little talent (although Danny was an Indiana HS All-Star!) makes the TEAM better. As was proven last night and as Victor has said a few times now!

  • Anonymous

    There’s no way that Daniel Moore can keep up with Teague. If Daniel Moore was bigger and stronger like Dakich, I would be the first one defending his playing time, but he’s not, so there’s no point to that argument.

  • Anonymous

    If IU needs a 3 to win the game I am going with the Senior Roth over the Freshman Etherington every time. It is all about winning, and a senior who has experienced 6, 10 and 12 win seasons the last 3 years really knows the hurt of losing!

  • Anonymous

    Good point.  I don’t think AE or Abel comes into the game last night like Moore did.  I don’t think they change the game like he did.  It was more of a tactical move to change momentum and it worked. 

  • MillaRed

    Man this topic is getting annoying. Why are we even going here? The kid is a 4th senior that walked on for 3. Let the kid play. We are all caught up in the immense detriment to AE and Remy, because of Danny Moore? Everyone on this team needs more PT and development.

    Hey ITH peeps! This is not a discussion worth having. We are 8-0! We are 8-0!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    For 3 minutes of “hell” he definitely can!

  • Anonymous

    Thank you.  Just what I was about to say. 8-0!

    Everyone is playing team ball up to this point.  And that everybody includes Danny Moore.

    The team concept is alive and well with the players and coaches.  If they shared similar ideas as some of us here then I think I would notice a downward shift in attitude with the team, but I don’t see it now.  Happy times right now – let em play.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you.  Just what I was about to say. 8-0!

    Everyone is playing team ball up to this point.  And that everybody includes Danny Moore.

    The team concept is alive and well with the players and coaches.  If they shared similar ideas as some of us here then I think I would notice a downward shift in attitude with the team, but I don’t see it now.  Happy times right now – let em play.

  • Peach house

    Coach felt something wasn’t working and switched things up. He has the right tondo that and don’t think it’s necessarily indicative of what the minutes will look like on a regular basis. But yes, if we need a spark he’s there.

  • stonaroni

    Moore will not be playing Teague.  If he does, consider it as CTC waiving a white flag on the sidelines to surrender.

  • stonaroni

    Moore will not be playing Teague.  If he does, consider it as CTC waiving a white flag on the sidelines to surrender.

  • stonaroni

    How do you figure this?  He hustles and I give him credit but against teams like UK and the Big 10 it has been 3 minutes of abuse.  Some are forgetting the past defensive transgressions delivered by Moore.

    He provided a spark against Stetson.  Let’s leave it at that.

  • stonaroni

    Glad to see there are a few of us who would like to see more Remy and know the limited role that Moore has to offers us this year and into the future.

  • stonaroni

    You are right and all of us here are pumped about being 8-0.  All of us here wants the same great things for IU and want to restore this program and win titles.  But, there are different ways of getting there.

    Consider this a growing pain and that it has positives and negatives, take the good with the bad.  For the seniority camp, Moore and Roth should get the minutes.  For the talent based/youth camp, they say play Remy and AE.

    And it is a discussion worth having because we all are fans of IU basketball and have a passion for it.

    Being 8-0 is awesome, but we have 23 regular season games left.  I think we go at least 12-11 over those games and we will be a touch better than 50% in respect to wins and losses.  We will have more debates over that time about who should play and development of players.

    That is healthy because we are fans and no one on here is saying harsh things to each other.  We raise questions, make objections and give explanations.  It’s all good.

  • stonaroni

    I  am not sure where the “team” lecture is coming from?  I too am about the “team” and the development of it.  I do not like individual players and actionson the court which is why I call players such as CW, VJIII or VO out when they get outside of the “team” concept.

    Moore is the epitome of a “team” player, I have never debated this.

  • stonaroni

    I  am not sure where the “team” lecture is coming from?  I too am about the “team” and the development of it.  I do not like individual players and actionson the court which is why I call players such as CW, VJIII or VO out when they get outside of the “team” concept.

    Moore is the epitome of a “team” player, I have never debated this.

  • JerryCT

    I don’t remember

  • stonaroni

    Good post and I get what you are saying.  I am not suggesting AE and Remy are entitled to minutes.  I am aware there is a bigger picture.

    As a fan, I want to see what we have in AE and Remy when we are winning by 20 or 30 points.  That is what I want to see.  If we are good enough to win by this margin, then our FR are good enough to get 10 to 15 minutes mixed in with the starters and better players, not 5 min of garbage time.  That shows the coaches and the fans very little.

  • stonaroni

    Yes I will if they are better players.  If AE improves over the next year he will have a leg up on them.  If he doesn’t perform or improve, play the FR and the young guys, they are the future.

    I guess I am one of the few fans who isn’t convinced that AE isn’t very good or worthy of playing time.

    The kid can shoot, has some upside over some of the guys on the team getting more time than him.  Pound for pound he has more talent than Roth.  Take Roth’s 5 min and give them to AE, that puts AE’s minutes at 10.

    I am not asking for the guy to start.

  • Anonymous

    I think we’ll see them get more minutes as the season goes on. You mentioned Will’s minutes last year in an earlier post and I think that’s likely what happens here as well. They’ll get more playing time as they adjust to college life and college basketball.

    We both agree that they have a higher ceiling than some others on the roster, their time will come.

  • Anonymous

    That’s because with this team..he should be about the 7th option for a 3..and the 12th option for a drive to the bucket..and I love the guy..but…

  • Anonymous

    I love Austin’s enthusiasm, he’s bigger than I expected him to be, and he’s going to do great things in his 4 years in Bloomington, but I can’t disagree at this point with playing Roth because he’s done what he’s expected to do (hit 3s,) and he’s generally played solid defense, which was the reason most of us were afraid to see him on the floor much.

  • Jareeder68

    Love the debate about PT for DM. I hope he gets the call and puts the clamps on Teague at some point in the game.

    A walk-on Indiana boy against a blue-blood from Indiana. I think DM will surprise and deny Teague the ball.  

  • Anonymous

    I agree that ocme conference itme..if we get in some foul trouble at the guard spot..it’s likely that Able will be the guy to step up and guard the shooting guard..he can use all the experience he can get now.

  • Anonymous

    I agree that ocme conference itme..if we get in some foul trouble at the guard spot..it’s likely that Able will be the guy to step up and guard the shooting guard..he can use all the experience he can get now.