The Minute After: Stetson

  • 12/04/2011 7:20 pm in

Thoughts on an 84-50 win over the Hatters:

Lethargic.

Alex described Indiana’s first half in such fashion, and it was spot on.

The reasons were tossed out on Twitter during the first half: A sleepy Sunday with a sparse student section, a bit of a hangover after an important road win against N.C. State, an overlooking of the opponent with Kentucky looming in less than a week.

Whatever the reason, the Hoosiers only found themselves up 33-29 at the break. And Tom Crean apparently didn’t like the effort he was getting from some of his players, as starters Jordan Hulls, Christian Watford and Victor Oladipo began the second half on the bench.

Derek Elston, Daniel Moore and Will Sheehey started in favor of them. That was about all that was needed. That group started the half strong, and it continued no matter who was in the lineup in the second half. The Hoosiers outscored the Hatters by 30 (51-21) over the final 20 minutes of the contest. It was strong defense (some turing into offense), alley-oops (one for Oladipo and Zeller; one and a half for Tom Pritchard) and solid ball movement.

It was, quite simply, what was expected out of this Hoosier team against an opponent like this.

SOME NUMBERS

+ The Hoosier dished out 20 assists on 34 made baskets.

+ The Hatters turned the ball over 23 times — Indiana had 13 steals — which led to 30 points off turnovers for the cream and crimson.

+ After going scoreless and attempting just two total shots against Butler and N.C. State, Derek Elston got back into the mix against the Hatters. The Tipton native scored seven points on 3-of-6 (1-of-2 from three) shooting in 16 minutes of action.

+ Indiana went 11-14 from the line for a free-throw rate of just 21.2 — lower than its season average of 35.4.

+ The Hoosiers scored an impressive 50 points in the paint. Cody Zeller chipped in there with another strong performance, scoring 16 points on 7-of-11 shooting.

NEXT ON THE DOCKET

The Hoosiers get the week to prepare for Kentucky, who will be ranked No. 1 in the nation when they come to Assembly Hall on Saturday. We’ll have preview coverage as the week unfolds.

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  • Plane1972

    He turned down Boston University to walk-on at IU. And don’t bother with sarcasm about BU basketball. You asked a question, I answered it. No editorial comments needed.

  • Plane1972

    They also send messages loud and clear to more talented teammates who need a wakeup call. They are invaluable guys to have on your team at key moments throughout the season.

  • stonaroni

    This is Hulls’ team as a JR and Zeller’s team as a FR.

    VJIII is a SR who promotes more leadership than Roth or Moore due to playing time, ability, and battle tested.

    VJIII is about 4th or 5th down on the leadership depth chart and he is our best SR leader.

    I think WS and VO are better leaders than VJIII, Roth or Moore.

  • Plane1972

    Not really true, eph. Steve Alford (IN), Todd Meier (WI), and Marty Simmons(IL) were all considered the top players from their states coming out of high school. Add Daryl Thomas and it was a very highly regarded recruiting class. Rick Calloway was big time coming out of HS, as well. Mix in glue guys like Hillman and Eyl, who were strong athletes in their own right, and instant-impact jucos Smart and Garrett and you’ve got a nice mix of guys.

    I will agree, though, that Knight got the most out of them considering Syracuse’s superior talents, in my opinion.

  • stonaroni

    Milla,  I cannot say that I disagree with your statements.  Moore should be admired for his hustle, I have always said this.
     
    I just feel differently about playing the young guys over the seniors. That is always my take and always the way I coached.  If the young guys struggle so be it, find out what they can do.  I could add VJIII to this discussion too, he struggles at times and CTC could make a statement by putting Remy in for him.
     
    I will say the same thing next year.  If DE continues to struggle as a SR, put in Jurkin and let’s see what he can do.  If CW plays selfish, put in Hollowell or Etherington. If VO or Remy are struggling, play Buss.
     
    These guys are all on full ride scholly’s for a reason and have several offers from other schools been

  • Plane1972

    Unreal. Now we’re getting a leadership depth chart. Slow news day.

  • MillaRed

    I think you are stressing over something that isn’t that complicated. This is all on Coach Crean and has very little to do with Moore. Coach is getting him out there, you are concerned about the development of others. We get it.

    Reality is, you need to deal with it. Next year, this will not be a problem. So there is light at the end of your stressful little tunnel.

    I suggest you play a drinking game every time Moore hits the floor. When he gets an assist, steal, or rebound, slam a shot of Jack Daniels. By the end of the game, you really won’t care what Remy and Austin are doing. If he blocks a shot (or throws Pritchard another alley-oop) slam the entire bottle.

  • InTheMtns

    You should be able to listen to every IU game on Sirius/XM. They only publish
    their schedule a week at a time so it’s hard to say for certain but I think
    every game was on last year. XM used to carry every game for the Big Ten teams.
    A few years back they had some negotiation issues with the Big Ten and then the
    Sirius-XM merger took place and since then the published schedule has been on a
    weekly basis. But, I think every IU game will be on.

  • Anonymous

    I see Danleavitt3’s point. Even when you look at the RPI rankings, which the selection committee relies on even more than those other two (right? I think so lol), Saint Mary’s is #1, Northern Iowa #4, So. Miss #7, Denver #11, etc., etc. It seems like the RPI uses strength of schedule rather heavily. I guess my point is I don’t think the computer rankings are a great predictor this early in the season.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with him as well.  Like I said…I agree with his premise.  I just don’t think Harvard at #17 should be used as an example of why the rankings are currently flawed because of a lack of sample size.  I believe Harvard is one of the 20 best teams in the country.  

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I think they are as well. I wasn’t arguing or rebutting anything either, just trying to elaborate a little more.

  • Casey B.

    His explanation of the gesture is that it means “know US.” Relax.

  • Anonymous

    Crean has clearly set a statement with his ball clubs.  If you play hard and dedicate yourself 100% to his team concept then you will see playing time. Players like Moore, Roth, Pritchard, and others don’t earn minutes because they are more athletic and talented than others.  They earn it because they show up everyday (and for years) to push themselves and their teammates for the betterment of the entire team and program.

    It might not always look pretty on the court, but its admirable anyways. It sets a clear tone for future recruiting classes.  Talent alone will not earn you playing time at Indiana.  And though you may not be as talented you can still earn minutes by playing harder.

  • Anonymous

    The Hooisers are still unranked in the espn/USA Today poll. They received 23 votes, good for 6th in line, behind MSU 29, SD St 30, Cal 32, Vanderbilt 61, UNLV 62.

  • BrianS

    IMO the only way IU beats KY is to wear them down with lots of subs early and often just like they’ve been doing it all year.  If Moore is doing the job that Coach Crean is asking him to do then by all means he deserves the minutes he is getting.

  • stonaroni

    If you disagree with me that is fine.  I don’t think I am that far off.

    What did you say about editorial comments before?

  • Anonymous

    Whoa, that’s a major stretch by comparing this to putting names on the backs of the jerseys.  

    Vic’s action, while doing it individually, is not calling attention to his individual play.  Sure he typically does it after a dunk, but the action of putting his hand over his face means “know Indiana” or “know us.”  Not “know me.”  He’s promoting the team.  He’s promoting us as fans, finally being able to enjoy competitive basketball.  There have been a lot of naysayers over the last 3-4 years.  Experts and general fans alike forgetting the once rich tradition of our beloved program.  It’s about time they do remember that with the right coaches and players in place, we can return to the days of being nationally recognized.  Besides if Hulls is ok with it (team leader) and more importantly, Crean is ok with it, what’s the big deal? We constantly argue about who should be playing more (VJ/Sheehey, now Danny Moore on this thread).  As many of stated, let’s leave this one in the coach’s hands.  

  • Bleeding Crimson

    I would like to seconded that Thanks.   I was on my to Hooters who said they had BTN.com.   Come to find out that they didn’t pay for it and only received the freebees.
    In route I told him to go on ITH and check the blog and the guys will have your answer.
    When we got there they had it figured out and didn’t pay a dime.
    Thanks again JerryCT.
    BC

  • Bleeding Crimson

    What I don’t understand is why he doesn’t bench them the first dead ball…four minutes in the game…and say “OK guys pretend this is your half-time $itching and let’s play D the REST of the game….say 35 mins.  Instead of making all the right adjustments at the half.  We will not be able to do that with pUKe.

  • Bleeding Crimson

    what about a chest pump or clamping of hands or any other gesture that many of the kids do.  I didn’t like it at first until he explain his position but now I understand.   It’s OK for kids to get excited about a certain play as long as it’s not offensive behavior and he doesn’t get hit with a technical.

  • Anonymous

    Well I think in a game against Stetson you let them try to respond on their own. In the pUKe game they won’t have that luxury, so I think he will call timeouts in those situations.

  • Bleeding Crimson

    I agree to a certain extent.  I think IU will be more fired up then pUKe.  If we can get them to play D for an entire 40 mins, fast-past game, and keep the zebra’s on our side we will have a chance.   Keep the crowd in the game and no major pUKe runs.  One major to keep in balance is they might be more talented but they are only playing 6 to 7 guys.  If CTC continues to rotate and play 40 mins of D, we can win by their tired legs or at the FT line.  Regardless,
    GO HOOSIERS.

  • IUJeff

    Maybe it’s just me. I didn’t like Jason Kidd saying “hi” to his kids every time he was at the free throw line by doing his face smear move either.

    Or that stupid nose wipe thing Brian Cardinal did every time he was at the line. Did I forget to say it looked stupid?  

    I realize that Vic said he means well by it. I just don’t like it.

    I’d rather him be thinking about how he is gonna keep the opposing guard from getting around him, instead of his next opportunity to sign.

    I guess we can agree to disagree. That’s what is great about the USA.

    P.S. If Vic’s V face gets under the cats’ skin, do it all game long..

  • Anonymous

    Fair enough.  Nothing wrong with a healthy and civil debate.  One of the best things about ITH.

  • Anonymous

    @tonin..keep your powder dry..Davis doesn’t even has to score for UK to be great..Zeller has to do it all..gonna be a tough night for Cody foul-wise given how many UK has to give in the post with Davis and two other b ig guys…off the bench. Cody’s smart enuff to pull it off..but man he will be surrounded by Davis and two 6-9 forwards who can run and jump. tough assignment

  • Bleeding Crimson

    I thought rankings don’t come out until 6:00pm est time?

  • Bleeding Crimson

    I wonder if Dicky V will announce the game?
    Another queston:  During non-conf games such as pUKe do we get to use B1G zebra’s

  • Anonymous

    I got these rankings from rivals http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/polls I’m not sure when they’re actually supposed to come out to be honest with you. I got the espn/USA Today about 12:50pm and I was checking pretty much right up until that point. Maybe they’re subject to change, but again, straight from rivals.

  • Anonymous

    I got these rankings from rivals http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/polls I’m not sure when they’re actually supposed to come out to be honest with you. I got the espn/USA Today about 12:50pm and I was checking pretty much right up until that point. Maybe they’re subject to change, but again, straight from rivals.

  • IU_Alum96

    Thanks!

  • IU_Alum96

    Thanks!