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The Minute After: Penn State

by in The Minute After | December 27th, 2010

Thoughts on a 69-60 loss to Penn State:

Things have gone from bad to worse, my friends.

Another game Indiana was favored to win, another loss.

In the Big Ten, you need defense, and you need someone to step up and hit shots when it matters.

Indiana had neither tonight inside Assembly Hall.

In the first half, Indiana allowed Penn State too many wide-open looks from beyond the arc. Despite entering Big Ten play as the worst shooting team in the league, the Nittany Lions converted on those opportunities, knocking down 50 percent (5-of-10) of their threes in the first half.

The Hoosiers did a better job of defending the three in the second half, but Talor Battle (19 points, six boards) hit three difficult ones, anyway. For the night, the Nittany Lions knocked down 8-of-17 for 47 percent.

And on the strength of guys like David Jackson (15 points, eight boards) and Jeff Brooks (23 points, eight boards) Battle didn’t have to shoulder all the load for Penn State tonight — even with a shortened seven-man rotation with the absence of Taran Buie. Jackson and Brooks helped the Nittany Lions to 53.8 percent shooting from the floor (21-of-39). Add in a solid night at the line (19-of-26, 73.1 percent) and Penn State was a very efficient offensive unit this evening.

After a sluggish first half, Indiana, on the backs of the Assembly Hall faithful and a pumped-up Tom Crean, played with more energy and worked to get more looks in and around the basket area. After only six points in the paint in the first half, Indiana got 14 in the second half. There seemed to be a momentum shift — with the Hoosiers even taking a 48-47 lead on a Maurice Creek layup with 8:45 to go. It was as close as 56-54 with 2:28 remaining, but Indiana failed to finish.

Again.

At 58-54 with 2:12 to go, Victor Oladipo — who had an otherwise solid game (5-of-9 from the field, 2-of-3 from three, 2-of-3 from the line for 14 points to go along with four boards and three steals) — missed a layup. Indiana managed to get the rebound, but Jordan Hulls threw it away on a pass to Verdell Jones, which Penn State converted into a bucket at the other end. On Indiana’s ensuing possession, Jones got swatted by Brooks and Battle got the rebound. Penn State then missed the front end of a 1-and-1, but were able to corral the offensive rebound, and Indiana was forced to foul Tim Frazier. He hit both free throws at the 1:16 mark.

In one minute and 12 seconds, Indiana’s deficit had gone from two points to eight points. That was about all she wrote.

The Hoosiers had another sluggish night from the field (23-of-54 for 42.6 percent) and only managed to get to the line eight times, converting on five of those attempts for 62.5 percent.

As alluded to above, this team is really lacking that go-to guy, or at least some steady leadership in the waning minutes of these ballgames where victory is within reach.

That duty should fall to Christian Watford. But he was an absolute ghost this evening, as he scored only three points (1-of-5 from the field, 0-of-2 from three, 1-of-2 from the line). Not sure if he picked up Derek Elston’s illness or not (UPDATE: looks like he had back spasms all night), but this is back-to-back substandard performances for Indiana’s leading scorer. There appeared to be more of a concerted effort to get him the ball down low in the second half, but he had trouble establishing much.

This was one the Hoosiers absolutely had to win. And they didn’t. Now the prospects of an 0-4 start to Big Ten play and a six-game losing streak loom large.

South Carolina State, Florida Gulf Coast, Wright State — care to come back to Assembly Hall again this season?

  • stonaroni

    Great post Kelin. and iubase, I think everyone on here loves IU, but in life, everyone has different view points which is what makes this site great.

    I am not worried about the future recruits. AE and CZ KNOW that they have a chance to come in next year and put their abilities on the floor early and often. HP, Yogi, and RP can see the difficiencies we have on offense and salivate.

    Kelin you are correct with the pick and no role. And, if there is going to be a pick with no role, that screener better be screening away for a shooter to role to the top of the key or to an open wing.

    The dribble drive offense works with one of PG running it and that is JR. Let him score 4 to 6 points a game and find the open man all night long. Run the dribble drive with 3 or 4 guards as long as JR is the penetrating PG.

  • Kelin CreDavis

    EGreeniu….I think Roth should surely be playing along with Capo….that is your screener for Roth all night long. He is big, wide body, and can get people open. I could justify Roth playing more than Mo at this point when it comes to effectiveness.

  • Kelin CreDavis

    If we are going to do a dribble drive….for a period of time in the game then I have in VJ, JR, and Hulls, with a sheehey that could screen and pop out or Capo and Pritch setting screens and rolling to the basket where they are effective. Then as JR or VJ go to the basket they have options of dropping it down low, kicking out to Hulls or Sheehey or Roth…or taking it to the basket.

    Instead….we get one screen at the top, VJ kinda uses it, no one rolls, he forces up a shot and people are yelling for his scholarship to be taken away. Come on coach….if we can see this why can’ t you……?

  • stonaroni

    Very few question if these kids are on board and I do not like to particularly harp on the players. From time to time they deserve some criticism, but what I am reading and writing about are issues within the coaching of the team or game exexution. Penn State is not more talented than this team top to bottom. Neither is Colorado or Northern Iowa. UK is and I will give IU a pass against an experienced BC on the road in their first test of thge year.

    I have now watched 3 games in a row where IU has not maximized match ups, rebounded well, had rebounders on the floor for that matter, I have watched the poor shooting, the quick shots, the poor perimeter defense, the very few in game adjustments, the misuse of the bench, our best shooters not getting open shots or plays designed to get them open looks, a brutal single guard penetration off a high ball screen with ineffective results, no post offense or sets run to get the 4 or 5 shots. COACHING! Coach calls the plays and they do not look good. Execution is bad and yes the players are on the floor, but practice is where execution happens. And, you cannot run an offense if it doesn’t suit your team.

    JJ at Purdue was not shooting 18 footers last year, but this year he does. They lost Hummel, Painter had to change the way his best players are used. He adjusts. Painter knows that if JJ hits or misses, someone has to come out and guard him. Others crash the boards, you have your best defender in JJ if they fast break, and JJ is quick enough and good enough to beat his man and make someone else better if he gets cut off on his drive. Painter finds the mismatch and zero’s in on it just like Izzo and Matta.

    Again, Hulls took 3 shots in the second half and made all 3. He had an 11 minute drought where he took no shots. He made a shot with 4:58 to go. At this point he was 5-8 in the game, 3-3 in the second half and our leading scorer. Yet, he doesn’t take 1 shot the rest of the way. There were no plays designed to get Hulls the ball. CTC put the ball in VJIII hands. That is not VJIII fault.

    Then Roth comes in for desperation time and gets a 3. Bring him in 4 times a game in 3 or 4 minute intervals, run a few sets for him and see what you have. That is coaching! 100%.

    Players are going to be on or off, there will be some inconsistency with the soph’s, but we cannot see it 3 games in a row from the coach of Indiana University Basketball!

  • JerryCT

    Diesel: I was too disgusted and so often criticized for pointing out the virtues of TP that I did not post last night but I have been active in reviewing the game .

    FYI I counted screens in the first half by player . To get more than a couple I went liberal with my definition of what a screen is. I counted 8 screens the entire half , mostly of the nuisance variety. DE led the way but seriously these are mostly screens he rolls out of early w limited contact.

    Pritchard alone had 6.5 screens in his 4 minutes of the 2nd half. Sure I want him to score BUT we all know we have better scorers than him. His job is to shake them open.

    This is also not to mention again his help D, his hedge, his blocking out, his ball movement often finds the open man and etc .

    I think CTC is going the wrong direction if he thinks sitting TP improves our performance. I am not even suggesting we have to choose either DE or TP …. play them both.

    Re: Brooks ………….. TP last year was forced to defend Hummel and did a great job out on the floor with him. Could he not have knocked Brooks off his game too ?

  • stonaroni

    He had one TO and was our leading scorer last night. It is not his fault we lost last night. Please don’t single out one guys, to me that shows that you are looking deeper at all of the issues this team has.

  • stonaronoi

    I say there are 10 guys who need to play, Roth and WS should be added to the list, however, I think you are correct in an 8 man rotation. I just think that 8 man rotation should sometimes include Roth and WS depending on match ups and style of game.

  • N71

    Missing is a “stone cold killer” like Alford, Calbert, Wittman, etc. Creek could get there but when you’re hurt you’re hurt. DSR and Gary Harris have the potential to be high level stone cold killers. I’d take either immediately. Chandler would also be a great add to take the double team of Cody. If we don’t bolster the 2011 class then Penn State, Iowa, and Northwestern are going to kick sand in our face again next year. How many years can we say…hey, wait until next year, help is on the way. As it stands today we won’t be really good until 2013.

  • stonaroni

    Yep, I agree. With your first point, VO and Mo could be out there too because they can score even though Mo isn’t himself yet. It is very frustrating because we have options and it doesn’t seem like we ever have a lineup on the floor to maiximize our offense or what the defense is allowing us to take.

    The defense always allows their opponent something. We just have a hard time realizing what that is.

  • JerryCT

    Brother Stonaroni:

    I have now concluded that the FREELANCE MOTION offense we run has done harm to the team . I firmly believe that this scheme has enabled addictive behaviours we have been seeing:

    + dribbling, staring at the defense, directing player placement , mugging for the camera etc

    + lack of movement of players off the ball as well as movement of the ball itself

    + no screens off the ball and NOW even “on ball” screens are gone

    In other words too much freelance creates the one on one , the hero shot, the lethargy in half court etc.

    IMHO I would try to convert to the NW PATTERN MOTION where players move w/o the ball in known patterns w/o traffic directing, play calling, focus on one on one etc . This would get us into continuous flow ( vs stop and restart ) , more passing, more screening and better shots .

    As such:

    DE/TP become Mrkovic
    Hulls becomes Thompson
    JR becomes Cobb
    CW becomes Shurna
    VO becomes Crawford

    Also lets try NW’s 1-3-1 zone trap along with it

  • stonaroni

    DSR is going to Xavier. Harris needs to get on board if he wants to play at IU because I have a feeling CTC is going to do what you said and add to 2011 class. And, I 100% agree that he has to get someone like Chandler who can play right now and at least add some depth and a bit of scoring inthe paint. I will take the point guard Amayo if he is a true combo/dribble drive guard. This will only free up shots for Hulls, Roth, Mo, AE next year and allow VJIII to catch on the move and penetrate. He is not quick enough to point the dribble drive.

  • Anonymous

    As big of a fan as I am of IU basketball, I’m thinking this morning of the fact these are just young adults chasing their dreams. These are my ‘boys’ and I feel for them right now… they have to be very down and disappointed. It’s not fun to lose. Even less fun when you have such a passionate fan base that at times can get overwhelming, especially with losses like last night. These kids and Crean want to win more than any of us – it’s their team, their reputation, their legacy on the line.

    Although I’m a realist and acknowledge that there are some genuine concerns to be had, most notably Crean’s ability to adjust during a game, overall game management (there’s still time to prove us wrong Coach)… I still love my boys and this team. There’s so many guys on this team it’s EASY to root for. And I’m still pulling for Crean and his unmatched passion and energy to lead IU back to the promised land.

    My glass is half-full, even if the current jug of milk seems sour.

  • stonaroni

    I see your point. I don’t care if they run the Flex offense every set and run it consitently. They just need to get better. The flex might work because it involves numerous screens, curls, etc. I just want to see improvement adn efficiency and better in game adjustment where a coach can take a team down by 2 with 4 minutes to play at home, and find a way to win the game, one possession at a time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/srhise Sean Hise

    These kids and (crean) need to listen to jeremiah. every post game interview he has a lot of great things to say. He needs to become the leader of this team. Judging by his comments he knows a lot about the game and how to be a team player. I think what we have here is the team has some obvious and overlooked chemistry issues. They are getting away with behavior that only a good on the floor leader can remediate. If I was Crean I would send a message by:
    + Starting Rivers over VJIII against Ohio State and telling him to lead this team to victory vocally and with his passing / slashing capability
    + Playing VO 30+ minutes
    + Put Hulls and Roth in there for a 6-8 minute stretch with CW and TP and get the ball to our shooters and – well, shoot! More than 6 minutes for Roth please!

    Remember how many threes we took in 2002 towards the end of the season? Kent State anyone? Don’t tell me this team doesn’t have that capability. If I were Hulls I’d be putting up 8 – 10 threes on Friday. We need a spark, a run where the other team, not us, is put on the ropes.

    - Less Manic substituting and more lineup continuity
    + More Rivers (24 mins tonight)
    - Less Verdell (34 mins tonight)
    + More threes in halfcourt
    - Less threes in transition
    + More Hulls shooting threes. 3/4 tonight. Please shoot the ball, I’m so sick of you passing up shots, your unstoppable, top 5 shooter in the Nation. Shooters, shoot.

  • Anonymous

    I came to respond but you got to it first. Maybe it was the heat-check 3. I don’t think it was an awful shot but maybe that’s why.

    Also, maybe Crean knows more than we do about Creek’s rehab and endurance at this point in time.

  • Anonymous

    It’s definitely not his fault. This was arguably his best game of the season. He only took 2 poor shots this game

  • Anonymous

    I will completely disagree with you on the fact that our bigs don’t roll…Elston rolls either to the basket or to the side WIDE open every time he screens and never gets the ball. Why?

    Because the guards have tunnel vision and as soon as they “use” the screen, if you can even call it that, end up passing it in the direction they are running and reverse the ball to the opposite of where the roll is. Go watch the game you will see this constantly, sometimes the guards see it, most of the time they don’t. Which is sad because we all know Elston can hit that 18-20 ft jumper easy…

    And Hulls just needs to shoot the damn ball. I don’t know what else to say, the kid has a great shot, I don’t understand why he isn’t utilized more. If Crean will let Jones drive out of control, why not let Hulls spot up?

  • MillaRed

    So as usual, as I am scratching my head post-game, one of my Badger fan buddies sends me a text, “What happened.” etc etc.

    He later asks, “Is Tom Crean done at IU?”

    Keep in mind, most of these guys are not aware of the incoming classes, nor do they care. Fact is, they are not impressed with CTC at all. I am not quite there yet myself, but it is interesting to hear what these guys think because they are knowledgeable fans that followed Marquette for many CTC years. The Badgers match up with them annually.

    I tell him CTC isn’t going anywhere for a few years based on his recent recruiting and then he sends me a text that slaps me right in the face:

    “So if I told you when he was hired, in year 3 at IU, regardless of where the program was when he got there, that Tom Crean would not lead them to the N.I.T. you would be cool with that?”

    So I leave you with this question ITH’ers. What would we have answered 3 years ago, and what is our answer today?

  • IUJeff

    VJ3 was not the problem last night.

  • IUJeff

    Man, you get like a -19 on this post. It is easy to criticize. How about offering some how to advice towards the fix?

  • Kelin CreDavis

    Dude I don’t know….

    My first thoughts are, my expectation was a tourney birth this year, ideally the NIT. Now, if that doesn’t happen, I will officially become concerned especially with the predicted leap of an NCAA tourney in 2011. A scary thought would be a NIT birth Cody’s freshmen year with a group of upperclassmen who have played together for awhile now.

    The worst thing that could happen now is the underground ‘Crean is gone” chirping to begin which would totally undermine this program, the team, and our recruiting. That is something the fanbase cannot let happen. No CREAN IS HERE TO STAY, he is the right guy and needs to be given a chance…..he just needs to show IU fans success on the court as he has off the court.

  • IUJeff

    Yes you were right but how did that help us? Offer solutions. -2 for you.

  • MillaRed

    I have no doubt I expected an N.I.T. bid in our 3rd season. I’m beginning to
    think if nothing else, next season we’ll have a bunch of peed off Jrs and
    Srs that are tired of losing and with the addition of the freshmen and the
    year of weight training for Will and VO we’ll get into the big dance.

    We saw in the post-game the questions directed at Coach are getting tougher
    and he’s looking a bit more frazzled. I’m not sure what is going on but if
    we end up having a worse year than last the dogs will start barking. That
    stuff usually originates from the other programs. It will be interesting to
    see how things are looking if we start 0-5 in the BT.

  • IUJeff

    Positive posts are what we need. +3 for you

  • Anonymous

    My answer to this question is in a word….Yes. I want to grab the pitchforks and run the guy out of town sometimes, but then I step back and breathe.
    + We still are climbing out of the denim shirt hole, and losing late due to lack of leadership is a result of Crean coming into a program with no players. Its the last major hurdle to climb, but its a big hurdle.
    + We dont have a leader…Verdell tries, but he is horrible at it. Watch him play…last night 3 different times…drive pass, drive pass, quick pass, then the ball swings to verdell and it stops for 3 full seconds. That is HORRIBLE. He ruined the momentum of our offensive possession. If we had a leader on our team, somebody would have grabbed him by the shirt by now and told him to move the freakin ball. Unfortunately, he is in the leadership position, and he just isnt good at it.
    + I was slamming Crean for bad lineups and adjustments in Vegas. I cant really do that last night. He tried things, but they didnt work so well. We CAN criticize for not trying these things during our cupcake games. It is too late to be realizing that Creek shouldn’t start and we should try press and zone more. If we had been doing this stuff for the last 10 games, we would be better by now. We would have won that game last night.
    + LISTEN CLOSELY HERE….We had to play a weak non-conference schedule. If we played a Butler, instead of SIUE, then we have more losses at this point of the year. Looking at the Big Ten, we are going to be under .500 whether we played a juggernaut schedule or not. Our ONLY hope to make post season was to schedule up patsies, which we did and I will not criticize for it. You can say that maybe we would be tougher for playing tougher games, but we would still have more losses, which gets us nowhere at the end of the year. We ARE NOT going to do well in the conference either way. That’s just reality people.
    + I wish our coach would have been tougher on our players during non conference. That would have had us ready for the Big Ten. Verdell turned it over enough to be benched in many games, that message should have been sent. We would be a better team for it. Creek should not have been starting, that message should have been sent. Zone was obviously our better defense even against inferior competition. Why would we have to play tougher teams to figure any of these things out?

  • JerryCT

    Yes but unfortunately DE’s screens are minimum contact screens , often rolling early where the ball handler is still covered for the split second they need to hit the roller. Correctable for sure but he needs to want the contact first.

  • Anonymous

    Got ya. Good point. Creek showed some maturity last night to respond to the benching by changing his game.

  • Anonymous

    I am behind our coach. I have been. I just dont want to have to answer when people ask me why ‘my guy’ isnt getting it done. There are some things he could be doing better. I just hate that weak schedule argument against him. It was his only option this year.

  • JerryCT

    Actually I believe to have a complete dribble drive offense we need at least, at least 2 drivers and sometimes 3 as they often cut off each other’s butt working toward the basket ( see Marquette this year an last ). Not that we cannot drive it with 1 but then that ends the offense after their drive ……….either succeeds or fails. They have to fear at least 2 drivers for a complete offense. In that way you are correct in playing JR and VJ together.

    NW’s offense features 5 drivers moving/cutting around in a different package. I would guess that ironically they are more successful at driving the ball than we are in our dribble drive yet only Thompson and maybe Crawford would fit CTC’s drive package.

    Long winded way of saying we do not need to stop driving the ball when moving to a pattern motion offense . We just need to emphasize ball and player movement, screening and passing and only dribble with a purpose.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks – and although I’m generally a glass half-full person (life sucks as a doom and gloom person), I think in IU’s case, this is all about expectations. Realistically, we still don’t have 4-year seniors, we don’t have 5-star talent*, our 4-star talent is inexperienced, and we have big holes on the roster (emphasis on “big”). The team is getting better and has exciting players, but we just don’t have a Big Ten roster yet. Next year we’ll be closer and by 2012-13 we should be able to compete with everyone. Sometimes I get excited and raise my own expectations but as long as we maintain positive growth and a realistic timeline, we’ll be alright.

    * Not sure who was officially 4/5 stars out of HS, but at this point Watford is a 4-star talent and IMO Creek was looking like a 5-star before the injury, I really hope that comes back – he becomes our leader if healthy.

  • Anonymous

    Looking at that schedule, we need to beat beat Michigan at home to be 1-5. I want to think we can play with NW on the road, but I need to see it to believe it now. Seriously, all it will take is one good win to put a smile on our faces.

  • MillaRed

    Still yet I thought a 2010/2011 N.I.T. bid was part of the recovery process.

  • Anonymous

    the subbing may be a mystery forever

  • Anonymous

    I am with you. Thats why this is so painful. We all were thinking it. We all need it to happen.

  • MillaRed

    If we went with a tougher schedule we are 5-9 right now and Cook Hall is on fire.

  • Anonymous

    The best post I read on this thread. I agree with everything you mentioned. I was rooting for Rivers to be the leader on the team last year, but it just didn’t happen and thought he needed to be sat for a while. Well – this is a new year and a new Rivers. Crean had tons of confidence in him last year as a leader and played him a lot – I think he needs to revisit this philosophy. Verdell can get less minutes and actually be more productive in game stats and contributions. We have three point shooters – lets fire away in half court sets, but not take them quick.

    Excellent Post !!!!

  • Anonymous

    winning breads more winning — it’s going to happen under Crean — hopefully sooner than later, and when it does it’s going to be fun

  • Anonymous

    winning breads more winning — it’s going to happen under Crean — hopefully sooner than later, and when it does it’s going to be fun

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    See, Stoni, I don’t even think it’s VJ’s fault!!! Maybe my choice of words was wrong or maybe who I blamed it on was wrong. I actually thought VJ played better tonight. It’s just the dribbling that drives me crazy.

    How’s this:

    1) I am so freaking tired of CTC’s system which sets VJ up to dribble half the shot clock away making him look like a goon.

    How’s that?

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I don’t care what offense they run! I would just love to see one screen set off the ball for a shooter like Hulls, Creek, or Roth.

    JUST ONE!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Sorry Jeff,

    But this is what fans do! Cheny didn’t point out anything that isn’t painfully obvious and he didn’t call out one player or take pop shots at anyone!

    His High School All-Star/Our offensive sets comparison makes complete sense and he’s right! We just dribble and dribble and dribble and don’t move the ball. We don’t set screens off the ball and we end up getting an inordinate amount of forced shots at the end of the shot clock!

    I’m not sure who put you in charge of grading everyone’s posts but maybe you should stop because most people here are fans just as dedicated and die hard as you and they don’t need you to critique their posts unless you have something to offer.

    If you would like to counter these statements with facts, stats, research, or even well thought out opinions then fine, but scoring them is just taking up needless space on the blog!

  • MillaRed

    I don’t want Coach to go anywhere. I’m just letting you know what other Big Ten fans are saying. The simple question of what we expected out of this team in year 3.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I appreciate your opinion and respect it as well, but I respectfully disagree.

    I would like for you to explain to me why this team is “improved” this year?

    1) They have won no games away from home. (Pitt at MSG last year)
    2) They have won no games they were supposed to lose. (Pitt at MSG last year)
    3) They have lost 1 game at home they were supposed to win. (PSU last night)
    4) They have lost 2 (both) neutral court games. (They lost all three in PR last year too but won 1 at MSG against a ranked team)
    5) They are putting teams on the line at a worse rate this year than last.
    6) They don’t show any signs of crunch time confidence. (At least they did against Pitt and Minnesota last year)
    7) They still have no leader. (We all complained about that last year) 8) Our FT percentage is still horrendous!

    I’m just using season to season comparisons to point out that it’s faulty to say this team is improved because at this point they aren’t. They could pull it together and come around but at this point you can’t argue that they’re any better than they were last year.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    One things for sure . . . at least we know we have AE and CZ coming for sure next year and another year for these guys to get better and stronger and possibly the opportunity to add another player that can contribute.

    All that said, there’s still a pretty good chance that next season shows improvement and that should be enough to reassure our ’12, ’13, and ’14 recruits.

  • JerryCT

    ACE : I actually counted the screens by player in the first half. With a very generous definition I came up w 8.

    TP alone set 6-7 in 4 minutes in the 2nd half. Since TP likes to do this , actually makes contact when he screens …….. I say set him free to rock and roll ………. he is also a good passer to the open man

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I actually disagree. What I see is their bigs hedging so early that it forces our guards off their own screen and away from the goal. They briefly double team our smaller, slower guards (except JR – he sees over the hedge or splits it like he did last night) and they don’t have a passing lane or don’t see a passing lane to the roller.

    I don’t think it’s a fundamental screening problem so much as a “everyone knows what’s coming” problem.

    Furthermore, I agree that TP is our best interior defender and screener but even he has a fundamental problem with his screens! He sets his feet too far apart trying to create a strong base and gets called for a lot of fouls he shouldn’t because his knee or thigh catches the player running through the screen. It’s not a big deal and if our guards would rub the screen tighter it probably wouldn’t happen but he could close up his base just a little bit.

    What I’m trying to say is I don’t think it’s the screener fault. It isn’t even entirely the ball handler’s fault right now. It’s just that every team has figured out how to blow up the screen before it even happens!

  • Anonymous

    Cutting to the basket with their hand up wouldn’t make me mad either nor would them cutting to the basket HARD with their hand up and if the person that got the screen doesn’t see the cutter when open it should be pointed out to them in a not so subtle way and also told that if they miss an open cutter again they will be discussing it with the coaches on the bench. At the same time the cutter should be also be told in not a subtle way to cut to the basket harder with their hand up and if they don’t they will be the one discussing it with the coaches on the bench.

    But then again this is all to no avail if the offense does not call for the screen to be set in the first place and for heavens sake could we please set a screen somewhere other than at the top of the screen. If this is the only place we are going to set a screen, a place and time that everyone including the other team knows, we have got to execute it to near perfection.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you that the offense does not play to his strengths. If he was an NBA-caliber player, Crean would likely cater more to him. Regardless, as a basketball player, VJ3 has to learn to adapt because clearly we aren’t going to scrap the offense mid-season.

    So if he wants the ball in his hands, if he wants to drive to the bucket or take a big 3-pointer in the crucial moments of the game, that’s fine. But if he is unable to convert, then he does deserve some heat.

    Stonaroni: VJ3 may have kept us in the game at times, but he also missed three crucial shots last night: a layup where the rim basically blocked his shot during a fast break, a poor decision to drive the ball to the bucket where a Penn St. defender was perfectly positioned and easily blocked his attempt, and an open 3 from the right wing which clanked off the back of the iron.

    With Verdell, I feel like its 2 steps forward, one step back. He needs to stop forcing the issue and play within himself. As many have mentioned previously, this team has scoring talent now. With VO coming on and Hulls becoming more confident, we no longer depend on him for buckets from the guard position.

  • http://www.vccm.net/ iubase

    I am sure we will drop but for now we are ranked 73rd in the pomeroy ratings and last yr we were 183.

    Overall I feel we are stronger and better and will win more than 10 games….we’ll see

  • Anonymous

    Here is some advice. Address the issues that are causing IU to play like the worst team in the Big Ten. Why don’t we change our philosophy and play to our strengths. How about coach considers he might be wrong and reads Wooden’s book or watches tape of the old UCLA and IU. Call coach K and ask for advice. Cheny’s post has merit.

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