Around the Hall: So, will he or won’t he?

That’s the million dollar question: Will Bob Knight attend his induction into the IU Intercollegiate Athletics Hall of Fame? The results of our poll to this point indicate that 55% of you don’t think Knight is coming back to Bloomington. But what do others on the Internets think? Let’s dive in …

+ Our very own Eamonn Brennan: The Dagger on Yahoo! Sports: Far as I can remember — and who knows what Knight’s said in private — he’s never said never to a return to Indiana. He just hasn’t addressed the subject. And with a whole new batch of people in place, and a clear invitation not only from Indiana’s fans but from the current administration itself, it wouldn’t be that much of a leap.

Maybe Knight’s still really angry, but if so, he’s angry at the wrong things. The abstract, nebulous institution that is Indiana University didn’t fire him. People did. Probably rightfully so. But if there was ever a time to forget those details and revel in honoring a fantastic (and fantastically flawed) college basketball coach, now is the time.

+ Chris Korman: Bloomington Herald-Times: Ignoring Knight — which had seemed to be the strategy until Tom Crean arrived on campus — was to partake in his tantrum. By pretending to have moved on more completely than it ever could have, the university was simply exacerbating the problem. No tension grows as thick as tension that is unspoken.

Now, it will break. Knight will come back. Or he won’t. That’s up to him. He’ll send that message when he’s ready.

+ Terry Hutchens: Indianapolis Star: When I spoke to several former IU basketball players on Saturday afternoon for a story that runs on Sunday in the Indianapolis Star, I got the impression that as a group they would like to see Knight come back to Bloomington and be honored. I think as a group they would like to all come back and be part of a big celebration to honor the man they truly love and respect. But while they would like to see that take place, I don’t think anyone is holding their breath on this one.

While I believe IU is doing the right thing here by attempting to honor coach Knight as a member of the Indiana Athletics Hall of Fame, I also don’t really think RMK will be back the first weekend in November for the induction and the introduction the next day at halftime of the IU-Wisconsin football game.

+ Dashiell Bennett: Deadspin: If there’s justice in this universe, Knight will show up, hurl a chair into the audience, then give everyone the ‘ol double deuce as he pisses in the punch bowl. Instead, he’ll probably be gracious and humble and accept their symbolic apology with some class. Rats.

+ Kent Sterling: 1070 The Fan: In the end, though, Knight was a untethered renegade after John Ryan and Ralph Floyd were no longer his bosses.  Tom Ehrlich tried to corral Knight, and paid the price as Knight danced with New Mexico as a potential employer.  No one in Indiana needs another recitation of Knight’s over the top behavior, so let’s just say he behaved as though he was above consequence as he continually treated people inside and outside Assembly Hall with disdain.

Does Bob Knight belong in the Indiana University Athletic Hall of Fame?  Absolutely.  If any coach belongs in a hall of fame, it’s Bob Knight.  If he shows up and expresses a respect for his employer of 29 years, that would bring a fitting and appropriate closure to his career at IU.  It would give his former players and fans a chance to say thanks with an ovation that would echo through Assembly Hall for years.  If he doesn’t show up, it would be typical behavior from a man who has spent a lifetime playing by his own rules and answering to no one other than the man he sees in the mirror.

  • GFDave

    I don't know Eamonn Brennan from a hole in the ground, but IU is neither abstract nor nebulous. He seems like a high schooler writing a college entrance essay, hoping to impress with his vocabulary but missing the mark and exposing himself as a poser in the process.

    Nobody knows what Bob is going to do. Maybe not even Bob. But I hope he comes back, acts nice, and let's everybody put the Knight Wars to rest.

  • gibbonjockey

    “relatively momentous thing”

    It's momentous or it isn't. Even setting that aside the choice of the word 'thing' is egregious.

    What an awful writer. Stop being lazy and start working on your craft as this output is inexcusable from anyone wishing to be taken seriously.

  • garydavid711

    KNIGHT WILL NOT SHOW UP-END OF STORY

  • CreamandCrimson

    Hey guys, Indy Star just ran an update that Brandon Mobley announced Indiana was among his three finalists. He will choose between IU, Cincy, and South Carolina. I couldn't find anything about him on Rivals. He played with David Williams on the Atlanta Celtics AAU team. Hope we are not taking a scholarship from Plumlee or Zeller.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Okay, I just found the kid on Rivals. He is a 3-star kid, 6'9″, 215 pounds. Looks skinny with a very long wingspan. I am pretty tuned into recruiting and I had not hear of him. Do you guys think that IU recruiting him is an indication they don't like their chances with Plumlee, Zeller or Jeremiah Davis?

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    I'm not positive he still has an offer from IU. I'd be very surprised if he was added to the class.

  • MillaRed

    I don't think RMK is going to like this situation. It seems to me like they are forcing his hand. It's too early in my opinion. If he doesn't show up he looks bad. He isn't the type of guy to be forced into anything. I understand why IU wants to move on. It would help with recruiting, public relations etc. But my gut tells me RMK will be in his death bed when he steps back into Assembly Hall. We can only hope someone on the IU side picked his brain before this was announced.

    As far as the Mobley kid goes, I think at this point they are looking for role players. There's a reason Big Ten schools don't lock 3-4 Top 50 kids a year. All of these guys want to “Star” on their teams. It's not possible when you are loaded with talent all the time. I think it's a good sign that IU is looking at the bigger picture on the recruiting front. We now have the base talent and if we can lock down a Top 20 recruit every other year the recipe for success is there.

  • Wood

    Glass did the right thing. Coach Knight has to be in the IU HOF. That much is obvious. Yet, I think it is too soon for CK to come back to IU. Glass & CTC have too much to gain from CK showing up and giving a de facto endorsement of the program. CK could feel he’s being used for PR purposes.

    I think there is a much better chance of CK coming back after CTC has returned the program to prominence (it will happen, of course). Then, IU won’t need CK, but we will still want to honor his great accomplishments. I could see CK coming back under those circumstances

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    Just curious as to why you think it's too early? It's been nine years.

  • BGleas

    I agree with you on RMK. I think they should have developed a 1-2 year plan to reintegrate Knight back into the IU family, beginning with non-promotional items, such as just meeting with Crean and Glass occasionally to mend fences. Prove to Knight it's not for promotional reasons. Once the relationships are built, then discuss things like the HOF and coming back to games and events.

    On the recruiting thing I have to disagree, IU has the role players in place, we need the bonafide go-to players now. Guys like Watford and Creek have the potential to develop into stars, but we need the sure things to go with those two. Add in role players like Elston, Hulls, VJIII, Bawa and Capo and this will be a contending team in a year or two. Hopefully a few of those guys develop into more than role player, then we're really talking. But, every team needs legit stars to go with the role players, and IMO that's what we're missing now.

  • GFDave

    I kind of hope you are right about this, at least at this point in time. We need more time to elapse so that Irving, Morgan and Oladipo and other higher rated recruits have a chance to make their decisions. Mobley probably is a good back-up, but maybe not a first choice.

  • MillaRed

    We're talking about Coach Knight. If you recall he can be somewhat…..emotional. Getting the boot from IU was an all-time low. This situation reeks of the old guy in a wheel chair barely with his wits about him taking the final plunge. I'm not being sarcastic. The “new regime” wants to move on. They were not directly related to the exodus. But for RMK it's still fresh in his mind and honestly I don't know if he will EVER go back.

    9 years, 19 years. May as well be 100.

  • MillaRed

    I see your point but would argue that Watford, Creek and Eslton have all Big-Ten potential by the time they are juniors. They will need the Top 20 everyone is salivating over as I noted to be an Elite 8 team.

    I would be really surprised if they pick up Mobley honestly. But if the other bigs bail they can't start from scratch and need to build other relationships now.

  • http://mouthpiecesports.com/blog Eamonn

    Hi guys! Eamonn here, reporting live from my hole in the ground. Allow me to explain my apparently egregious word choices, because your harsh comments make me deeply sad inside. (They don't bother me at Yahoo!, but you guys are supposed to be my friends! What gives?!)

    I went with abstract and nebulous because IU, sprawling, huge institution that it is, can sometimes seem to exist regardless of the people running it. If Knight chooses to view it that way, fine, but my point is that IU the school isn't responsible for how the story ended; Knight, and Myles Brand, and various other folks no longer employed there are. I promise I wasn't trying to be a poser. I probably just could have gone with “sprawling,” but sometimes I type very fast in order to get all my work done. It happens.

    Relatively momentous was used because I believe a thing can have varying degrees of momentousness; my dog not crapping in the house today is momentous to me, but in the lifetime development of my dog — or the continued development and progress of the human race — only barely so. See what I mean here? “Relatively” is a way to provide context. Not everyone cares about IU basketball, you see.

    And anyway why are you guys being so picky? Is not the point of the post itself more important than word choice, which as far as I know is marginally subjective? (Did I choose those two correctly?)

    Also, um, GF Dave, I'm one of the founding three members of this here blog, and while my contributions this offseason have been nil I'll be writing The Morning After et. al. again starting in the fall. Until then, you won't have to deal with my poser ass. In the meantime, I'll be “working on my craft.”

    Thanks for reading! Love y'all!

  • GFDave

    Words are the way to make the point. I'm honestly surprised you don't get that. Maybe its part of the explosion of technologies that put a premium on quantity and presence over quality. but im not intothat, r u feelin me?

    I really don't care that you helped found a blog. What credibility as a writer does that lend to you? Your words are all you have and yours, in this instance anyway, are exactly as I first described them. Good luck to you.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    I have to disagree on this one, Dave. While you might not care that Eamonn helped found this blog (many people do, by the way, it should be noted), it's a little shortsighted to question his credibility because you don't agree with his choice of words. Reserve questioning credibility when we (myself, Ryan or Eamonn) report something that's inaccurate.

  • jdelisle

    Eamonn, I'm not sure why you feel the need to reply. GFDave and gibbonjockey both had valid points even if the delivery was a little blunt. Writers (at least the good ones) should have thick skin. Save the sarcastic remarks for a different blog/website/whatever and let's stick to the topic.

  • Browner07

    For all you Facebook fanatics who would like to see Coach Knight come back for the induction ceremonies, I offer this group you can join.

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gi

  • gibbonjockey

    I was probably too blunt in my comment and, in retrospect, out of line with the “awful writer” label. I should have just stuck with “awful article” because the article is poorly written and lazy. If you're just a blogger who's in this for kicks and giggles then carry on. If you are a writer to be taken seriously, then do a better job next time. You can take it as criticism or as constructive criticism, that's up to you. My point about the output still stands even if I'm apologizing for meritless namecalling.

  • BGleas

    Well, my hope is that we return to an Elite 8 Team/Championship contending team.
    I just feel that with the current roster we have guys that will make an outstanding nucleus, we need those 1-2 big time All-American/high 1st round pick types to add to that to put us over the top.

    Of course, I'm projecting a lot considering we're coming off a 7-win season, but if you add Williams, Carlino and Ethrington to the '09 class, then I think we should be waiting to add the heavy hitter. With the scholarships so limited, I'd rather wait for Irving, Christmas, Gilrest etc. to take us to the next level.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    Test

  • BFowler

    Wow, a range of things to react to on here today. I will start with this. I think with Bob Hammel reaching out on behalf of Fred Glass and Tom Crean (both of whom have sung Coach Knight's praises) there stands a better than 50% percent chance that Coach Knight will return for the ceremony (although I would put it at roughly 50.00001%). If coach Yeagley also offers a hand that would highten the chances.

    2nd – Just because a kid lists you on his list does not mean there is any real intent there. See Dom Ferguson, IU had no real intent of signing him although he listed them. If a kid also lists Cincinnati and South Carolina with IU, that tells me he is wishing more than holding.

    3rd – Postman E (Eamonn) – I like your playing with words. It keeps someone with ADD like me interested. You have a unique take on things and I like the way you use quirky sayings and words I have to look up in the dictionary. I read the Dagger as part of my daily reading and I understand you have to entertain a national audience with the blog, not just IU fans, so I see where you were coming from. I am a fan of your work and I appreciate the quirks. The three of you together have founded my favorite blog and I appreciate that. However, you lend credibilty to those criticizing you by responding to them. I also thought that the comments were unneccesary (as explained in point 4), but they should not define you as a “journalist.”

    4th – To those offering criticism to Eamonn, a blog is a space to offer opinions. It is designed to provide an outlet for one's thoughts. There is no journalistic integrity required, nor is there any reason to worry about word choice, just the words you think best describe your thoughts on the particular matter. I would understand if you were an English professor or a journalism major and Eamonn was your subject of study or your professor, but I assuming you are not and he is not. Postman E's only obligation is to get readers and encourage the advertisers to pay to have a spot on his blog so his employer can get more money. (my 2 cents on the matter)

  • Jacantwe

    wow didnt realize all the english teachers we had in the ITH family…im a big fan of eamonn for what he has done here, at the mouthpiece, and with yahoo (oh and the postmen as well!)…just thought i would show some support. keep up the great work fellas

  • Jacantwe

    wow didnt realize all the english teachers we had in the ITH family…im a big fan of eamonn for what he has done here, at the mouthpiece, and with yahoo (oh and the postmen as well!)…just thought i would show some support. keep up the great work fellas

  • BFowler

    Wow, a range of things to react to on here today. I will start with this. I think with Bob Hammel reaching out on behalf of Fred Glass and Tom Crean (both of whom have sung Coach Knight’s praises) there stands a better than 50% percent chance that Coach Knight will return for the ceremony (although I would put it at roughly 50.00001%). If coach Yeagley also offers a hand that would highten the chances.

    2nd – Just because a kid lists you on his list does not mean there is any real intent there. See Dom Ferguson, IU had no real intent of signing him although he listed them. If a kid also lists Cincinnati and South Carolina with IU, that tells me he is wishing more than holding.

    3rd – Postman E (Eamonn) – I like your playing with words. It keeps someone with ADD like me interested. You have a unique take on things and I like the way you use quirky sayings and words I have to look up in the dictionary. I read the Dagger as part of my daily reading and I understand you have to entertain a national audience with the blog, not just IU fans, so I see where you were coming from. I am a fan of your work and I appreciate the quirks. The three of you together have founded my favorite blog and I appreciate that. However, you lend credibilty to those criticizing you by responding to them. I also thought that the comments were unneccesary (as explained in point 4), but they should not define you as a “journalist.”

    4th – To those offering criticism to Eamonn, a blog is a space to offer opinions. It is designed to provide an outlet for one’s thoughts. There is no journalistic integrity required, nor is there any reason to worry about word choice, just the words you think best describe your thoughts on the particular matter. I would understand if you were an English professor or a journalism major and Eamonn was your subject of study or your professor, but I assuming you are not and he is not. Postman E’s only obligation is to get readers and encourage the advertisers to pay to have a spot on his blog so his employer can get more money. (my 2 cents on the matter)

  • wv23

    GFDave -

    You are a bit of a scold, aren't you?

    Lighten up, Francis.

  • CraiginOR

    top 20 recruit JT Bell has transferred to Bloomington South, his mother attended IU and I keep looking for info…..

  • CraiginOR

    top 20 recruit JT Bell has transferred to Bloomington South, his mother attended IU and I keep looking for info…..

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