SI’s Seth Davis on Irving, Teague and Stacey Poole

  • 07/13/2009 7:05 pm in

For my money, Sports Illustrated’s Seth Davis is one of the better college basketball journalists in all of the land. Most of you probably know him best from his work in the studio alongside Greg Gumbel on CBS, but Davis also writes columns for SI and published When March Went Mad earlier this year.

Since most of us are trained to read recruiting writings from the likes of Jody Demling of The Louisville Courier-Journal or Dave Telep of Scout.com, it’s not often that we get the opinion of a scribe who normally doesn’t follow recruiting as a religion.

Davis hit the recruiting trail hard last week and today published his scouting reports of several of the nation’s top players, including three IU recruiting targets:

Kyrie Irving, 6-2, 175, Elizabeth, N.J.: Irving is the point guard at St. Patrick’s High, which includes 6-8 junior Michael Gilchrist, whom I wrote about last week. You think that’s a tough inside-outside combo? Irving isn’t as strong as Selby, but he is such a deft ball-handler with a mean crossover that he repeatedly gets by his defender in the half court. Irving is more of a true point guard than a scorer, and his outgoing personality enables him to be a strong leader. His recruitment seems to be wide open, but his coach at St. Patrick’s, Kevin Boyle, told me that Indiana, spearheaded by its assistant Roshown McLeod, a New Jersey native who played for Bob Hurley at St. Anthony, has been working especially hard to get him.

Marquis Teague, 6-2, 170, Indianapolis: Teague gets a lot of attention because he is the younger brother of Jeff, the Wake Forest star who was just drafted in the first round by the Atlanta Hawks. But even without that pedigree, the rising junior would gain plenty of notice. He is considerably further along at this stage than his brother, who wasn’t considered a high-major recruit until the start of his senior year. Marquis is much more of a pure point guard than Jeff. He is blazingly quick, especially in the open floor, and though his game has a little too much French pastry, as Al McGuire used to say, he is great at getting the ball to the open man. He also has a tendency to run his mouth, but I’d rather have a guy be a little too chippy than lacking in confidence.

Stacey Poole, 6-5, 190, Jacksonville, Fla.: Here’s another wiry high-flyer. His father played for Florida two decades ago, and it was no coincidence Billy Donovan was at every one of Poole’s games in Philly. It’s hard to say how skilled Poole is in a half-court setting, because the games at the Reebok were such sloppy, up-and-down affairs. South Carolina and Clemson are hot on Poole’s trail as well, but in the end it’s hard to envision him turning down his home-state school, especially when it’s also his dad’s alma mater.

Nothing particularly ground breaking in this piece, but here are a couple of observations: 1) Irving’s high school coach has taken notice of IU’s urgency in recruiting his point guard; 2) I’m not the only one to notice that Teague’s jawing could be troublesome and 3) Stacey Poole isn’t a prospect that is talked about much with IU, but the lack of a Hoosier mention doesn’t mean they aren’t in the mix. As recently as a couple of weeks ago, Poole told TigerIllustrated.com: “I could see myself going to Clemson. And I could also see myself going to Indiana.”

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  • Luke68

    Is Irving a one and done? I have little doubt that Marquis is. Getting Poole seems to me to be the best one for the program in the long run. Stacey seems to not only to have the talent but has a great attitude as well!!!

  • Luke68

    Is Irving a one and done? I have little doubt that Marquis is. Getting Poole seems to me to be the best one for the program in the long run. Stacey seems to not only to have the talent but has a great attitude as well!!!

  • Luke68

    Is Irving a one and done? I have little doubt that Marquis is. Getting Poole seems to me to be the best one for the program in the long run. Stacey seems to not only to have the talent but has a great attitude as well!!!

  • Luke68

    Is Irving a one and done? I have little doubt that Marquis is. Getting Poole seems to me to be the best one for the program in the long run. Stacey seems to not only to have the talent but has a great attitude as well!!!

  • Luke68

    Is Irving a one and done? I have little doubt that Marquis is. Getting Poole seems to me to be the best one for the program in the long run. Stacey seems to not only to have the talent but has a great attitude as well!!!

  • Kyrie a super talent but I don't see him being a 1 and done guy. He has all the skills but plenty of physical maturing to do before he makes the jump to the League.

  • Kyrie a super talent but I don't see him being a 1 and done guy. He has all the skills but plenty of physical maturing to do before he makes the jump to the League.

  • Kyrie a super talent but I don't see him being a 1 and done guy. He has all the skills but plenty of physical maturing to do before he makes the jump to the League.

  • Kyrie a super talent but I don't see him being a 1 and done guy. He has all the skills but plenty of physical maturing to do before he makes the jump to the League.

  • Kyrie a super talent but I don't see him being a 1 and done guy. He has all the skills but plenty of physical maturing to do before he makes the jump to the League.

  • Kelin Blab

    Good stuff from Seth……a lot of it echoes what many of us have said…

    * Like that Irvings coach has noticed IU's full court press. Damn it has to pay off, it just has too. I don't think he is one and done, I would give KI at least 2 years no more than 3….

    * I find it interesting that Teague's jawing continues even during summer ball. Not a good rep to have, hopefully he will grow out of it…..Having been in Indiana for years, you could be the best player in the country for your class and NOT win Mr. Basketball for things like that. Having said that, I think IU's chances with MT are at 60-40. I am being nice, I think he is L'Ville's.

    * Stacey Poole, don't hear a lot about him other than he is a 'freakish athlete'. He surely will not pick Clemson over IU, but could see him going to FLorida, until Billy D leaves and heads to Kentucky after Cal runs the program into the ground in two years…..:)

  • Kelin Blab

    Good stuff from Seth……a lot of it echoes what many of us have said…

    * Like that Irvings coach has noticed IU's full court press. Damn it has to pay off, it just has too. I don't think he is one and done, I would give KI at least 2 years no more than 3….

    * I find it interesting that Teague's jawing continues even during summer ball. Not a good rep to have, hopefully he will grow out of it…..Having been in Indiana for years, you could be the best player in the country for your class and NOT win Mr. Basketball for things like that. Having said that, I think IU's chances with MT are at 60-40. I am being nice, I think he is L'Ville's.

    * Stacey Poole, don't hear a lot about him other than he is a 'freakish athlete'. He surely will not pick Clemson over IU, but could see him going to FLorida, until Billy D leaves and heads to Kentucky after Cal runs the program into the ground in two years…..:)

  • Kelin Blab

    Good stuff from Seth……a lot of it echoes what many of us have said…

    * Like that Irvings coach has noticed IU's full court press. Damn it has to pay off, it just has too. I don't think he is one and done, I would give KI at least 2 years no more than 3….

    * I find it interesting that Teague's jawing continues even during summer ball. Not a good rep to have, hopefully he will grow out of it…..Having been in Indiana for years, you could be the best player in the country for your class and NOT win Mr. Basketball for things like that. Having said that, I think IU's chances with MT are at 60-40. I am being nice, I think he is L'Ville's.

    * Stacey Poole, don't hear a lot about him other than he is a 'freakish athlete'. He surely will not pick Clemson over IU, but could see him going to FLorida, until Billy D leaves and heads to Kentucky after Cal runs the program into the ground in two years…..:)

  • Kelin Blab

    Good stuff from Seth……a lot of it echoes what many of us have said…

    * Like that Irvings coach has noticed IU's full court press. Damn it has to pay off, it just has too. I don't think he is one and done, I would give KI at least 2 years no more than 3….

    * I find it interesting that Teague's jawing continues even during summer ball. Not a good rep to have, hopefully he will grow out of it…..Having been in Indiana for years, you could be the best player in the country for your class and NOT win Mr. Basketball for things like that. Having said that, I think IU's chances with MT are at 60-40. I am being nice, I think he is L'Ville's.

    * Stacey Poole, don't hear a lot about him other than he is a 'freakish athlete'. He surely will not pick Clemson over IU, but could see him going to FLorida, until Billy D leaves and heads to Kentucky after Cal runs the program into the ground in two years…..:)

  • Kelin Blab

    Good stuff from Seth……a lot of it echoes what many of us have said…

    * Like that Irvings coach has noticed IU's full court press. Damn it has to pay off, it just has too. I don't think he is one and done, I would give KI at least 2 years no more than 3….

    * I find it interesting that Teague's jawing continues even during summer ball. Not a good rep to have, hopefully he will grow out of it…..Having been in Indiana for years, you could be the best player in the country for your class and NOT win Mr. Basketball for things like that. Having said that, I think IU's chances with MT are at 60-40. I am being nice, I think he is L'Ville's.

    * Stacey Poole, don't hear a lot about him other than he is a 'freakish athlete'. He surely will not pick Clemson over IU, but could see him going to FLorida, until Billy D leaves and heads to Kentucky after Cal runs the program into the ground in two years…..:)

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    I agree Kelin we have to get Irving. But if we do get him. Why do we need MT? Like I said last night: I feel we need big men in 2011: Plumlee and Zeller with maybe B. Dawson or Etherington
    Like to see us get Poole, but my gut tells me it will be Irving, Morgan, and Williams. And dont get me going on coach Calpone and Kentucky lol
    PS do you remember why coach cleaned house when he came to IU? If so how does that fit in with MT and Ferguson

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    I agree Kelin we have to get Irving. But if we do get him. Why do we need MT? Like I said last night: I feel we need big men in 2011: Plumlee and Zeller with maybe B. Dawson or Etherington
    Like to see us get Poole, but my gut tells me it will be Irving, Morgan, and Williams. And dont get me going on coach Calpone and Kentucky lol
    PS do you remember why coach cleaned house when he came to IU? If so how does that fit in with MT and Ferguson

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    I agree Kelin we have to get Irving. But if we do get him. Why do we need MT? Like I said last night: I feel we need big men in 2011: Plumlee and Zeller with maybe B. Dawson or Etherington
    Like to see us get Poole, but my gut tells me it will be Irving, Morgan, and Williams. And dont get me going on coach Calpone and Kentucky lol
    PS do you remember why coach cleaned house when he came to IU? If so how does that fit in with MT and Ferguson

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    I agree Kelin we have to get Irving. But if we do get him. Why do we need MT? Like I said last night: I feel we need big men in 2011: Plumlee and Zeller with maybe B. Dawson or Etherington
    Like to see us get Poole, but my gut tells me it will be Irving, Morgan, and Williams. And dont get me going on coach Calpone and Kentucky lol
    PS do you remember why coach cleaned house when he came to IU? If so how does that fit in with MT and Ferguson

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    I agree Kelin we have to get Irving. But if we do get him. Why do we need MT? Like I said last night: I feel we need big men in 2011: Plumlee and Zeller with maybe B. Dawson or Etherington
    Like to see us get Poole, but my gut tells me it will be Irving, Morgan, and Williams. And dont get me going on coach Calpone and Kentucky lol
    PS do you remember why coach cleaned house when he came to IU? If so how does that fit in with MT and Ferguson

  • Kelin Blab

    Ron I absolutely 1000% feel we do not need MT, Irving, and Carlino…those are three 6'2 guards, with two of the three having similar games.

    You made a great point on why Crean cleaned house and finished off what Dakich started…..the attitudes, me first, 'talk a good game', guys who are playing for themselves. I think Teague has a larger legendary opportunity awaiting him at Indiana that could last for a lifetime, but Indiana fans are not fans of the me first guys….as one of your regional guys knows sherron wilkerson who had some of that and was never embraced by Indiana fans.

    I really hope you are right about 2011…Dawson is going to PU, he said recently they are the leader. We need to break into that area at some point.

  • Kelin Blab

    Ron I absolutely 1000% feel we do not need MT, Irving, and Carlino…those are three 6'2 guards, with two of the three having similar games.

    You made a great point on why Crean cleaned house and finished off what Dakich started…..the attitudes, me first, 'talk a good game', guys who are playing for themselves. I think Teague has a larger legendary opportunity awaiting him at Indiana that could last for a lifetime, but Indiana fans are not fans of the me first guys….as one of your regional guys knows sherron wilkerson who had some of that and was never embraced by Indiana fans.

    I really hope you are right about 2011…Dawson is going to PU, he said recently they are the leader. We need to break into that area at some point.

  • Kelin Blab

    Ron I absolutely 1000% feel we do not need MT, Irving, and Carlino…those are three 6'2 guards, with two of the three having similar games.

    You made a great point on why Crean cleaned house and finished off what Dakich started…..the attitudes, me first, 'talk a good game', guys who are playing for themselves. I think Teague has a larger legendary opportunity awaiting him at Indiana that could last for a lifetime, but Indiana fans are not fans of the me first guys….as one of your regional guys knows sherron wilkerson who had some of that and was never embraced by Indiana fans.

    I really hope you are right about 2011…Dawson is going to PU, he said recently they are the leader. We need to break into that area at some point.

  • Kelin Blab

    Ron I absolutely 1000% feel we do not need MT, Irving, and Carlino…those are three 6'2 guards, with two of the three having similar games.

    You made a great point on why Crean cleaned house and finished off what Dakich started…..the attitudes, me first, 'talk a good game', guys who are playing for themselves. I think Teague has a larger legendary opportunity awaiting him at Indiana that could last for a lifetime, but Indiana fans are not fans of the me first guys….as one of your regional guys knows sherron wilkerson who had some of that and was never embraced by Indiana fans.

    I really hope you are right about 2011…Dawson is going to PU, he said recently they are the leader. We need to break into that area at some point.

  • Kelin Blab

    Ron I absolutely 1000% feel we do not need MT, Irving, and Carlino…those are three 6'2 guards, with two of the three having similar games.

    You made a great point on why Crean cleaned house and finished off what Dakich started…..the attitudes, me first, 'talk a good game', guys who are playing for themselves. I think Teague has a larger legendary opportunity awaiting him at Indiana that could last for a lifetime, but Indiana fans are not fans of the me first guys….as one of your regional guys knows sherron wilkerson who had some of that and was never embraced by Indiana fans.

    I really hope you are right about 2011…Dawson is going to PU, he said recently they are the leader. We need to break into that area at some point.

  • BFowler

    As I have said in the past, I loved Kyrie Irving's game when I saw him play. He was on the court with Dexter Strickland and Mike Gilchrest and I thought he stood out. He had that “it” factor that makes great leaders, and he made everyone on his team better. I think Marquis Teague is an extremely talented basketball player, but as I've said in the past, I get the Allen Iverson, Stevie Francis, Stephon Marbury vibe out of him, and I would not be heartbroken to get Kyrie and not Marquis playing in the Hall. I am torn on that one, because he is an extremely talented Hoosier kid. Either way, he will make some college fan base happy as a player.

    With that said, if Mr. Gilchrest wants to come and join Kyrie for a year or two, all the better. I have not seen Stacey Poole play, but he keeps rising in the rankings, so that says good things. If the Hoosiers can maintain serviceable bigs, have great point guard play, and get some great athletes on the wings, they have the key to winning in college basketball.

    I liked what I saw out of Mr. Carlino in the highlight. He has a nice, quick release on his southpaw jumper It will be fun to follow him and the Bloomington South team. Do not forget we just gained a point guard from Bloomington South named Hulls, who has a good history of winning and is a solid leader and gentleman.

  • BFowler

    As I have said in the past, I loved Kyrie Irving's game when I saw him play. He was on the court with Dexter Strickland and Mike Gilchrest and I thought he stood out. He had that “it” factor that makes great leaders, and he made everyone on his team better. I think Marquis Teague is an extremely talented basketball player, but as I've said in the past, I get the Allen Iverson, Stevie Francis, Stephon Marbury vibe out of him, and I would not be heartbroken to get Kyrie and not Marquis playing in the Hall. I am torn on that one, because he is an extremely talented Hoosier kid. Either way, he will make some college fan base happy as a player.

    With that said, if Mr. Gilchrest wants to come and join Kyrie for a year or two, all the better. I have not seen Stacey Poole play, but he keeps rising in the rankings, so that says good things. If the Hoosiers can maintain serviceable bigs, have great point guard play, and get some great athletes on the wings, they have the key to winning in college basketball.

    I liked what I saw out of Mr. Carlino in the highlight. He has a nice, quick release on his southpaw jumper It will be fun to follow him and the Bloomington South team. Do not forget we just gained a point guard from Bloomington South named Hulls, who has a good history of winning and is a solid leader and gentleman.

  • BFowler

    As I have said in the past, I loved Kyrie Irving's game when I saw him play. He was on the court with Dexter Strickland and Mike Gilchrest and I thought he stood out. He had that “it” factor that makes great leaders, and he made everyone on his team better. I think Marquis Teague is an extremely talented basketball player, but as I've said in the past, I get the Allen Iverson, Stevie Francis, Stephon Marbury vibe out of him, and I would not be heartbroken to get Kyrie and not Marquis playing in the Hall. I am torn on that one, because he is an extremely talented Hoosier kid. Either way, he will make some college fan base happy as a player.

    With that said, if Mr. Gilchrest wants to come and join Kyrie for a year or two, all the better. I have not seen Stacey Poole play, but he keeps rising in the rankings, so that says good things. If the Hoosiers can maintain serviceable bigs, have great point guard play, and get some great athletes on the wings, they have the key to winning in college basketball.

    I liked what I saw out of Mr. Carlino in the highlight. He has a nice, quick release on his southpaw jumper It will be fun to follow him and the Bloomington South team. Do not forget we just gained a point guard from Bloomington South named Hulls, who has a good history of winning and is a solid leader and gentleman.

  • BFowler

    As I have said in the past, I loved Kyrie Irving's game when I saw him play. He was on the court with Dexter Strickland and Mike Gilchrest and I thought he stood out. He had that “it” factor that makes great leaders, and he made everyone on his team better. I think Marquis Teague is an extremely talented basketball player, but as I've said in the past, I get the Allen Iverson, Stevie Francis, Stephon Marbury vibe out of him, and I would not be heartbroken to get Kyrie and not Marquis playing in the Hall. I am torn on that one, because he is an extremely talented Hoosier kid. Either way, he will make some college fan base happy as a player.

    With that said, if Mr. Gilchrest wants to come and join Kyrie for a year or two, all the better. I have not seen Stacey Poole play, but he keeps rising in the rankings, so that says good things. If the Hoosiers can maintain serviceable bigs, have great point guard play, and get some great athletes on the wings, they have the key to winning in college basketball.

    I liked what I saw out of Mr. Carlino in the highlight. He has a nice, quick release on his southpaw jumper It will be fun to follow him and the Bloomington South team. Do not forget we just gained a point guard from Bloomington South named Hulls, who has a good history of winning and is a solid leader and gentleman.

  • BFowler

    As I have said in the past, I loved Kyrie Irving's game when I saw him play. He was on the court with Dexter Strickland and Mike Gilchrest and I thought he stood out. He had that “it” factor that makes great leaders, and he made everyone on his team better. I think Marquis Teague is an extremely talented basketball player, but as I've said in the past, I get the Allen Iverson, Stevie Francis, Stephon Marbury vibe out of him, and I would not be heartbroken to get Kyrie and not Marquis playing in the Hall. I am torn on that one, because he is an extremely talented Hoosier kid. Either way, he will make some college fan base happy as a player.

    With that said, if Mr. Gilchrest wants to come and join Kyrie for a year or two, all the better. I have not seen Stacey Poole play, but he keeps rising in the rankings, so that says good things. If the Hoosiers can maintain serviceable bigs, have great point guard play, and get some great athletes on the wings, they have the key to winning in college basketball.

    I liked what I saw out of Mr. Carlino in the highlight. He has a nice, quick release on his southpaw jumper It will be fun to follow him and the Bloomington South team. Do not forget we just gained a point guard from Bloomington South named Hulls, who has a good history of winning and is a solid leader and gentleman.

  • aerialM

    here's to hoping we land Irving. I feel good about him. We got in early and haven't let up; he knows he is our #1. In the end, my gut tells me, the 2010 class will be Irving, Morgan & Williams. (Though, of course, I'd be thrilled to land Poole, perhaps at the expense of Williams or Morgan.) I don't think any of those guys are 1-and-done. If anything *maybe* 2-and-done but more than likely, the players we are going after are considered to be 3 or 4 year players at IU. Schollies are tight, we're in the midst of a program rebuild and we can't afford to have guys here for one year and gone the next. Though, of course, we'd make exceptions for certain guys like Gilchrist.
    I'm not high on Dom Ferg. He seems like a prima donna more than anything. He's got talent but I wonder if his head is in the right place. Teague is a talent, no doubt. His jawing is troublesome, but if it comes from a chip on his shoulder or from an overwhelming competitive attitude, I could live with it.
    I would like to see us go after some size, sooner rather than later. 2011 hopefully we add some big guys to bang down low!

  • aerialM

    here's to hoping we land Irving. I feel good about him. We got in early and haven't let up; he knows he is our #1. In the end, my gut tells me, the 2010 class will be Irving, Morgan & Williams. (Though, of course, I'd be thrilled to land Poole, perhaps at the expense of Williams or Morgan.) I don't think any of those guys are 1-and-done. If anything *maybe* 2-and-done but more than likely, the players we are going after are considered to be 3 or 4 year players at IU. Schollies are tight, we're in the midst of a program rebuild and we can't afford to have guys here for one year and gone the next. Though, of course, we'd make exceptions for certain guys like Gilchrist.
    I'm not high on Dom Ferg. He seems like a prima donna more than anything. He's got talent but I wonder if his head is in the right place. Teague is a talent, no doubt. His jawing is troublesome, but if it comes from a chip on his shoulder or from an overwhelming competitive attitude, I could live with it.
    I would like to see us go after some size, sooner rather than later. 2011 hopefully we add some big guys to bang down low!

  • aerialM

    here's to hoping we land Irving. I feel good about him. We got in early and haven't let up; he knows he is our #1. In the end, my gut tells me, the 2010 class will be Irving, Morgan & Williams. (Though, of course, I'd be thrilled to land Poole, perhaps at the expense of Williams or Morgan.) I don't think any of those guys are 1-and-done. If anything *maybe* 2-and-done but more than likely, the players we are going after are considered to be 3 or 4 year players at IU. Schollies are tight, we're in the midst of a program rebuild and we can't afford to have guys here for one year and gone the next. Though, of course, we'd make exceptions for certain guys like Gilchrist.
    I'm not high on Dom Ferg. He seems like a prima donna more than anything. He's got talent but I wonder if his head is in the right place. Teague is a talent, no doubt. His jawing is troublesome, but if it comes from a chip on his shoulder or from an overwhelming competitive attitude, I could live with it.
    I would like to see us go after some size, sooner rather than later. 2011 hopefully we add some big guys to bang down low!

  • aerialM

    here's to hoping we land Irving. I feel good about him. We got in early and haven't let up; he knows he is our #1. In the end, my gut tells me, the 2010 class will be Irving, Morgan & Williams. (Though, of course, I'd be thrilled to land Poole, perhaps at the expense of Williams or Morgan.) I don't think any of those guys are 1-and-done. If anything *maybe* 2-and-done but more than likely, the players we are going after are considered to be 3 or 4 year players at IU. Schollies are tight, we're in the midst of a program rebuild and we can't afford to have guys here for one year and gone the next. Though, of course, we'd make exceptions for certain guys like Gilchrist.
    I'm not high on Dom Ferg. He seems like a prima donna more than anything. He's got talent but I wonder if his head is in the right place. Teague is a talent, no doubt. His jawing is troublesome, but if it comes from a chip on his shoulder or from an overwhelming competitive attitude, I could live with it.
    I would like to see us go after some size, sooner rather than later. 2011 hopefully we add some big guys to bang down low!

  • aerialM

    here's to hoping we land Irving. I feel good about him. We got in early and haven't let up; he knows he is our #1. In the end, my gut tells me, the 2010 class will be Irving, Morgan & Williams. (Though, of course, I'd be thrilled to land Poole, perhaps at the expense of Williams or Morgan.) I don't think any of those guys are 1-and-done. If anything *maybe* 2-and-done but more than likely, the players we are going after are considered to be 3 or 4 year players at IU. Schollies are tight, we're in the midst of a program rebuild and we can't afford to have guys here for one year and gone the next. Though, of course, we'd make exceptions for certain guys like Gilchrist.
    I'm not high on Dom Ferg. He seems like a prima donna more than anything. He's got talent but I wonder if his head is in the right place. Teague is a talent, no doubt. His jawing is troublesome, but if it comes from a chip on his shoulder or from an overwhelming competitive attitude, I could live with it.
    I would like to see us go after some size, sooner rather than later. 2011 hopefully we add some big guys to bang down low!

  • GFDave

    aerialM may be right about the class of 2010. Other than Poole I don't see anyone other than Irving, Morgan and Williams coming to IU.

    As of now I think Morgan and Williams project as role players (that can always change as they develop), making it imperative to land projectable starters in 2011, which I view as the pivotal class in the program's turnaround. If we get Irving in 2010 we're going to need bigs and scoring wing players from the class of 2011.

    I'd like us to land both Zeller and Plumlee to go with Carlino and maybe Dawson. Plumlee looks like he's going to be a true center. Zeller projects to be a Jared Jeffries type big man (not saying he'll be that good, but close would be cool). Carlino, Hulls and Irving would make a great guard rotation. Dawson would add physicality.

    The roster as of 2011 would then be:

    Class 2008:
    — Jones
    — Pritchard
    — Roth
    Class 2009:
    — Hulls
    — Elston
    — Capobianco
    — Creek
    — Watford
    — Muniru
    Class 2010:
    — Irving
    — Morgan
    — Williams
    Class 2011
    — Zeller
    — Plumlee
    — Carlino
    — Dawson

    That's 16 players, so 3 would not be on the roster. I think the 3 players would come from a pool of Roth, Williams, Dawson, Creek and Muniru.

    I would say if the roster looked close to this that we would be competing for B10 championships starting in 2010 and sweet 16 appearances (if not better) from 2011 and beyond.

  • GFDave

    aerialM may be right about the class of 2010. Other than Poole I don't see anyone other than Irving, Morgan and Williams coming to IU.

    As of now I think Morgan and Williams project as role players (that can always change as they develop), making it imperative to land projectable starters in 2011, which I view as the pivotal class in the program's turnaround. If we get Irving in 2010 we're going to need bigs and scoring wing players from the class of 2011.

    I'd like us to land both Zeller and Plumlee to go with Carlino and maybe Dawson. Plumlee looks like he's going to be a true center. Zeller projects to be a Jared Jeffries type big man (not saying he'll be that good, but close would be cool). Carlino, Hulls and Irving would make a great guard rotation. Dawson would add physicality.

    The roster as of 2011 would then be:

    Class 2008:
    — Jones
    — Pritchard
    — Roth
    Class 2009:
    — Hulls
    — Elston
    — Capobianco
    — Creek
    — Watford
    — Muniru
    Class 2010:
    — Irving
    — Morgan
    — Williams
    Class 2011
    — Zeller
    — Plumlee
    — Carlino
    — Dawson

    That's 16 players, so 3 would not be on the roster. I think the 3 players would come from a pool of Roth, Williams, Dawson, Creek and Muniru.

    I would say if the roster looked close to this that we would be competing for B10 championships starting in 2010 and sweet 16 appearances (if not better) from 2011 and beyond.

  • GFDave

    aerialM may be right about the class of 2010. Other than Poole I don't see anyone other than Irving, Morgan and Williams coming to IU.

    As of now I think Morgan and Williams project as role players (that can always change as they develop), making it imperative to land projectable starters in 2011, which I view as the pivotal class in the program's turnaround. If we get Irving in 2010 we're going to need bigs and scoring wing players from the class of 2011.

    I'd like us to land both Zeller and Plumlee to go with Carlino and maybe Dawson. Plumlee looks like he's going to be a true center. Zeller projects to be a Jared Jeffries type big man (not saying he'll be that good, but close would be cool). Carlino, Hulls and Irving would make a great guard rotation. Dawson would add physicality.

    The roster as of 2011 would then be:

    Class 2008:
    — Jones
    — Pritchard
    — Roth
    Class 2009:
    — Hulls
    — Elston
    — Capobianco
    — Creek
    — Watford
    — Muniru
    Class 2010:
    — Irving
    — Morgan
    — Williams
    Class 2011
    — Zeller
    — Plumlee
    — Carlino
    — Dawson

    That's 16 players, so 3 would not be on the roster. I think the 3 players would come from a pool of Roth, Williams, Dawson, Creek and Muniru.

    I would say if the roster looked close to this that we would be competing for B10 championships starting in 2010 and sweet 16 appearances (if not better) from 2011 and beyond.

  • GFDave

    aerialM may be right about the class of 2010. Other than Poole I don't see anyone other than Irving, Morgan and Williams coming to IU.

    As of now I think Morgan and Williams project as role players (that can always change as they develop), making it imperative to land projectable starters in 2011, which I view as the pivotal class in the program's turnaround. If we get Irving in 2010 we're going to need bigs and scoring wing players from the class of 2011.

    I'd like us to land both Zeller and Plumlee to go with Carlino and maybe Dawson. Plumlee looks like he's going to be a true center. Zeller projects to be a Jared Jeffries type big man (not saying he'll be that good, but close would be cool). Carlino, Hulls and Irving would make a great guard rotation. Dawson would add physicality.

    The roster as of 2011 would then be:

    Class 2008:
    — Jones
    — Pritchard
    — Roth
    Class 2009:
    — Hulls
    — Elston
    — Capobianco
    — Creek
    — Watford
    — Muniru
    Class 2010:
    — Irving
    — Morgan
    — Williams
    Class 2011
    — Zeller
    — Plumlee
    — Carlino
    — Dawson

    That's 16 players, so 3 would not be on the roster. I think the 3 players would come from a pool of Roth, Williams, Dawson, Creek and Muniru.

    I would say if the roster looked close to this that we would be competing for B10 championships starting in 2010 and sweet 16 appearances (if not better) from 2011 and beyond.

  • GFDave

    aerialM may be right about the class of 2010. Other than Poole I don't see anyone other than Irving, Morgan and Williams coming to IU.

    As of now I think Morgan and Williams project as role players (that can always change as they develop), making it imperative to land projectable starters in 2011, which I view as the pivotal class in the program's turnaround. If we get Irving in 2010 we're going to need bigs and scoring wing players from the class of 2011.

    I'd like us to land both Zeller and Plumlee to go with Carlino and maybe Dawson. Plumlee looks like he's going to be a true center. Zeller projects to be a Jared Jeffries type big man (not saying he'll be that good, but close would be cool). Carlino, Hulls and Irving would make a great guard rotation. Dawson would add physicality.

    The roster as of 2011 would then be:

    Class 2008:
    — Jones
    — Pritchard
    — Roth
    Class 2009:
    — Hulls
    — Elston
    — Capobianco
    — Creek
    — Watford
    — Muniru
    Class 2010:
    — Irving
    — Morgan
    — Williams
    Class 2011
    — Zeller
    — Plumlee
    — Carlino
    — Dawson

    That's 16 players, so 3 would not be on the roster. I think the 3 players would come from a pool of Roth, Williams, Dawson, Creek and Muniru.

    I would say if the roster looked close to this that we would be competing for B10 championships starting in 2010 and sweet 16 appearances (if not better) from 2011 and beyond.

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    Let me add one more name to the pot: ” Brad Beal” We were recruiting him and seemed to back off. He is the number one shooting guard in the class of 2011. After doing some research, I came away very impressed. The only reason I came up with for us stopping chasing him is cause of the SG we have. And the need for size.
    PS response to Kelin: Tommy Baker was also from Jeffersonville. And didnt have much luck as a hoosier

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    Let me add one more name to the pot: ” Brad Beal” We were recruiting him and seemed to back off. He is the number one shooting guard in the class of 2011. After doing some research, I came away very impressed. The only reason I came up with for us stopping chasing him is cause of the SG we have. And the need for size.
    PS response to Kelin: Tommy Baker was also from Jeffersonville. And didnt have much luck as a hoosier

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    Let me add one more name to the pot: ” Brad Beal” We were recruiting him and seemed to back off. He is the number one shooting guard in the class of 2011. After doing some research, I came away very impressed. The only reason I came up with for us stopping chasing him is cause of the SG we have. And the need for size.
    PS response to Kelin: Tommy Baker was also from Jeffersonville. And didnt have much luck as a hoosier

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    Let me add one more name to the pot: ” Brad Beal” We were recruiting him and seemed to back off. He is the number one shooting guard in the class of 2011. After doing some research, I came away very impressed. The only reason I came up with for us stopping chasing him is cause of the SG we have. And the need for size.
    PS response to Kelin: Tommy Baker was also from Jeffersonville. And didnt have much luck as a hoosier

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    Let me add one more name to the pot: ” Brad Beal” We were recruiting him and seemed to back off. He is the number one shooting guard in the class of 2011. After doing some research, I came away very impressed. The only reason I came up with for us stopping chasing him is cause of the SG we have. And the need for size.
    PS response to Kelin: Tommy Baker was also from Jeffersonville. And didnt have much luck as a hoosier

  • Kelin Blab

    Ron I absolutely 1000% feel we do not need MT, Irving, and Carlino…those are three 6'2 guards, with two of the three having similar games.

    You made a great point on why Crean cleaned house and finished off what Dakich started…..the attitudes, me first, 'talk a good game', guys who are playing for themselves. I think Teague has a larger legendary opportunity awaiting him at Indiana that could last for a lifetime, but Indiana fans are not fans of the me first guys….as one of your regional guys knows sherron wilkerson who had some of that and was never embraced by Indiana fans.

    I really hope you are right about 2011…Dawson is going to PU, he said recently they are the leader. We need to break into that area at some point.

  • BFowler

    As I have said in the past, I loved Kyrie Irving's game when I saw him play. He was on the court with Dexter Strickland and Mike Gilchrest and I thought he stood out. He had that “it” factor that makes great leaders, and he made everyone on his team better. I think Marquis Teague is an extremely talented basketball player, but as I've said in the past, I get the Allen Iverson, Stevie Francis, Stephon Marbury vibe out of him, and I would not be heartbroken to get Kyrie and not Marquis playing in the Hall. I am torn on that one, because he is an extremely talented Hoosier kid. Either way, he will make some college fan base happy as a player.

    With that said, if Mr. Gilchrest wants to come and join Kyrie for a year or two, all the better. I have not seen Stacey Poole play, but he keeps rising in the rankings, so that says good things. If the Hoosiers can maintain serviceable bigs, have great point guard play, and get some great athletes on the wings, they have the key to winning in college basketball.

    I liked what I saw out of Mr. Carlino in the highlight. He has a nice, quick release on his southpaw jumper It will be fun to follow him and the Bloomington South team. Do not forget we just gained a point guard from Bloomington South named Hulls, who has a good history of winning and is a solid leader and gentleman.

  • aerialM

    here's to hoping we land Irving. I feel good about him. We got in early and haven't let up; he knows he is our #1. In the end, my gut tells me, the 2010 class will be Irving, Morgan & Williams. (Though, of course, I'd be thrilled to land Poole, perhaps at the expense of Williams or Morgan.) I don't think any of those guys are 1-and-done. If anything *maybe* 2-and-done but more than likely, the players we are going after are considered to be 3 or 4 year players at IU. Schollies are tight, we're in the midst of a program rebuild and we can't afford to have guys here for one year and gone the next. Though, of course, we'd make exceptions for certain guys like Gilchrist.
    I'm not high on Dom Ferg. He seems like a prima donna more than anything. He's got talent but I wonder if his head is in the right place. Teague is a talent, no doubt. His jawing is troublesome, but if it comes from a chip on his shoulder or from an overwhelming competitive attitude, I could live with it.
    I would like to see us go after some size, sooner rather than later. 2011 hopefully we add some big guys to bang down low!

  • GFDave

    aerialM may be right about the class of 2010. Other than Poole I don't see anyone other than Irving, Morgan and Williams coming to IU.

    As of now I think Morgan and Williams project as role players (that can always change as they develop), making it imperative to land projectable starters in 2011, which I view as the pivotal class in the program's turnaround. If we get Irving in 2010 we're going to need bigs and scoring wing players from the class of 2011.

    I'd like us to land both Zeller and Plumlee to go with Carlino and maybe Dawson. Plumlee looks like he's going to be a true center. Zeller projects to be a Jared Jeffries type big man (not saying he'll be that good, but close would be cool). Carlino, Hulls and Irving would make a great guard rotation. Dawson would add physicality.

    The roster as of 2011 would then be:

    Class 2008:
    — Jones
    — Pritchard
    — Roth
    Class 2009:
    — Hulls
    — Elston
    — Capobianco
    — Creek
    — Watford
    — Muniru
    Class 2010:
    — Irving
    — Morgan
    — Williams
    Class 2011
    — Zeller
    — Plumlee
    — Carlino
    — Dawson

    That's 16 players, so 3 would not be on the roster. I think the 3 players would come from a pool of Roth, Williams, Dawson, Creek and Muniru.

    I would say if the roster looked close to this that we would be competing for B10 championships starting in 2010 and sweet 16 appearances (if not better) from 2011 and beyond.

  • Ron in Jeffersonville

    Let me add one more name to the pot: ” Brad Beal” We were recruiting him and seemed to back off. He is the number one shooting guard in the class of 2011. After doing some research, I came away very impressed. The only reason I came up with for us stopping chasing him is cause of the SG we have. And the need for size.
    PS response to Kelin: Tommy Baker was also from Jeffersonville. And didnt have much luck as a hoosier