It would be pointless to do that to him and not the others, given at least the kid tried to work things through as far as we know. Also, if we wants to dissappear from basketball civilization…….enjoy UDM and we will see you maaybeee during bracket buster week.

Also……where is Bassett, McGee, and DT going to land, UDM doesn't possibly have that many scholly's

Predictions……

Bassett-UAB
McGee-UIC or Chicago St.
Deandre-Div. III school

It would be pointless to do that to him and not the others, given at least the kid tried to work things through as far as we know. Also, if we wants to dissappear from basketball civilization…….enjoy UDM and we will see you maaybeee during bracket buster week.

Also……where is Bassett, McGee, and DT going to land, UDM doesn't possibly have that many scholly's

Predictions……

Bassett-UAB
McGee-UIC or Chicago St.
Deandre-Div. III school

Darn, I am really going to see red if he ends up at UDM.

Assuming you went to college (I don't mean that as a shot, just that not everyone takes that route) did you never skip a class? I remember struggling with grades my first year and then when I started skipping classes and doing more studying on my own my grades actually went up.

Again, I'm not trying to give the players a free pass, but I've seen this first hand as a college basketball player. Freshmen come in all excited about college and being a big man on campus. The first thing they do is begin hanging out with the upper classmen and going to parties and all of that stuff. All of a sudden everyone loves them and is asking them to go out every night.

If a team doesn't have a strong head coach and leadership on the team that explains to them how to not get get caught up in it all, then young players can easily take the wrong path. Doesn't mean they're bad people, and if they had proper leadership they may have even been great players that normally would have followed the rules and done things the right way.

Assuming you went to college (I don't mean that as a shot, just that not everyone takes that route) did you never skip a class? I remember struggling with grades my first year and then when I started skipping classes and doing more studying on my own my grades actually went up.

Again, I'm not trying to give the players a free pass, but I've seen this first hand as a college basketball player. Freshmen come in all excited about college and being a big man on campus. The first thing they do is begin hanging out with the upper classmen and going to parties and all of that stuff. All of a sudden everyone loves them and is asking them to go out every night.

If a team doesn't have a strong head coach and leadership on the team that explains to them how to not get get caught up in it all, then young players can easily take the wrong path. Doesn't mean they're bad people, and if they had proper leadership they may have even been great players that normally would have followed the rules and done things the right way.

I agree with you JerryCT. I'm not mad that a lot of the players left, or were dismissed, but I was looking forward to seeing how good some of the guys, especially Bassett and Crawford, would have been under a coach that instituted more control of the program.

I think some of those guys could have flourished under a real coach that actually cared about them instead of just wins. I really think Crean could have rehabilitated some of these guys, but I also understand his thought process of wanting to just start fresh on a clean slate and rebuild. Also, his hands might have been tied on some of these guys with their academics.

I've heard Bassett to Cincinnati or West Virginia.

I've heard Bassett to Cincinnati or West Virginia.

Jones should be the point and Roth off the bench. Taber will start over Jobe.

To answer your question, Dumes is more of a scorer than he is a point guard. However, I would expect him to split time between handling the ball and putting points on the board. I think he has a chance to surprise a lot of people next season and he's a great kid.

To answer your question, Dumes is more of a scorer than he is a point guard. However, I would expect him to split time between handling the ball and putting points on the board. I think he has a chance to surprise a lot of people next season and he's a great kid.

Yeah, because getting ten scholarship players over two seasons in an abbreviated recruiting cycle with self-imposed recruiting sanctions is definitely a sign of piss-poor recruiting. Not to mention the invited walk-ons who now look a little less like they'll just be fingers stuck in dams.

Yep, time to fire Tom Crean. This man just cannot connect with the types of athletes Indiana needs in order to become once again one of the top programs in the nation. Hey…I hear Sean Sutton's not doing much these days.

I don't see why its a shock he would leave. He probably would like the chance to win a championship and that isn't happening at IU for the next couple of years. Not to mention maybe he doesn't fit with the way Crean plays. Think about it, Crean has been able to recruit a number of guards to add to this team, and I'd assume they are players that fit his system. He may not be a fit for this team. All you people that trash these players for leaving or whatever are pathetic, your like the guy or girl that got dumped and now bashes their ex….grow up

I don't see why its a shock he would leave. He probably would like the chance to win a championship and that isn't happening at IU for the next couple of years. Not to mention maybe he doesn't fit with the way Crean plays. Think about it, Crean has been able to recruit a number of guards to add to this team, and I'd assume they are players that fit his system. He may not be a fit for this team. All you people that trash these players for leaving or whatever are pathetic, your like the guy or girl that got dumped and now bashes their ex….grow up

And this clearly was all Crawford's doing. No outside forces working on him at all. Crawford was the cancer that caused this team to fall apart down the stretch. Yep.

HA! I can't be the only one that sees humor here…

HA! I can't be the only one that sees humor here…

“these are not missled individuals they are grown ups.”

Yes, because we all know that adults never ever get misled. Peer pressure ends shortly after middle school, right?

“The problem with to many college athletes today is that they feel they are entitled to something.”

They are entitled to something: not having to suffer the insults of morons on the internet with whom they've never had any contact and who hide behind assumed names, insulting them for making a decision that they feel is right because it doesn't fit in with anonymous poster's archaic view of the world.

Two programs known for their outstanding citizens — right?

Two programs known for their outstanding citizens — right?

Yeah, but Gordon also had no leash on him, no one saying “Look, son, that 30 footer with someone in your face, might not be the shot we need right now.”

And the entire team was sloppy and lethargic, not just Crawford or Gordon. That's a coaching failure more than a failure in the player. And I think we'll all agree that the coaching situation was suboptimal this year.

He doesn't have any four star recruits because there weren't any left by the time he was able to get in here and get things rolling recruiting-wise, not because of any failure on his part.

He doesn't have any four star recruits because there weren't any left by the time he was able to get in here and get things rolling recruiting-wise, not because of any failure on his part.

Gilchrist might have some serious baggage being toted around behind him, too.

Of course, if it wasn't for the situation in Bloomington, Maryland's defections would be more in the spotlight.

Well, both of those programs have the stink of, as a certain former coach put it, 400 hundred pounds of butter sliding up and down the sidelines.