IU, Big Ten centric notes from Street and Smith’s college basketball preview

  • 09/11/2017 9:56 am in

The third of three annual college basketball preview magazines – Street and Smith’s college basketball preview – is now available.

Here are some notes on Indiana and the Big Ten at-large from the annual publication. (You can purchase the regional cover featuring Johnson here. The magazine also features a two-page story on Archie Miller.)

· Street and Smith’s predicts the order of finish in the Big Ten as follows: Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Maryland, Michigan, Penn State, Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska, Ohio State, Rutgers.

· The Street and Smith’s All-Big Ten team is Miles Bridges (Michigan State), Ethan Happ (Wisconsin), Moritz Wagner (Michigan), Nate Mason (Minnesota) and Bryant McIntosh (Northwestern).

· In the Street and Smith’s preseason top 25, the Big Ten teams are Michigan State (3), Purdue (20), Northwestern (22) and Minnesota (23).

· Indiana non-conference opponents in Street and Smith’s preseason top 25 include: Duke (2), Louisville (5), Notre Dame (17) and Seton Hall (21).

· Bridges is a first team preseason All-America and Happ is second team. Other first team All-Americans include: Michael Porter Jr. (Missouri), Angel Delgado (Seton Hall), Grayson Allen (Duke) and Joel Berry III (North Carolina).

Here’s a compilation of Big Ten predictions from Athlon, Lindy’s and Street and Smith’s:

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  • SCHoosier

    Wow…Hoosiers getting no love/respect. Big challenge ahead!

  • Ms hoosier

    You said it right!! WOW!!

  • We’reAllForYou82

    Exactly right SC. Best thing we could hope for.

    Hopefully the other B1G coaches are doing the same thing, no love/respect.

    We all know Archie can’t wait to start opening everyone’s eyes. It will start this year. If it’s not Ws we will at least let them know it will be a 40 minute battle every time IU steps on the court.

  • VOXAC30

    I think they will land between 6 and 8 but it depends how they gel as a team, a leader has to emerge, and if a true point guard has take control of the game. They have a lot of talent but in my view those are the three biggest questions for this team.

    On the court Yogi was not a nice guy, he got on them when they made mistakes and at times took control of the game when he needed to. JN needs to be that guy and he turned into that guy towards the end but he cannot shoot as well as Yogi. CH and JM will be you leaders no question in my mind. This homer firmly believes if this team can gel they will raise eyebrows.

  • I kind of doubt the other B1G coaches are going to underestimate Archie — i have a feeling they know all about him if some of the national reporters don’t know as much. And hopefully by the time the B1G starts nobody will be underestimating IU any longer.

  • While I don’t disagree with you about needing a leader, I think Archie will provide more discipline and leadership from the sideline than we’d become accustomed to. So I don’t really look at next season through the same lens I’ve used in the past. I think leadership under Archie will mean ensuring that the players on the floor are following the game plan and not as much to “take over” a game. I’m also hopeful that we won’t need a Yogi getting into players’ faces but rather someone who can keep everyone on the same page. It’s a subtle difference, I know, and I think JM fully intends to be one of those leaders from what he’s said over the summer.

  • N71

    1. MSU
    2. Maryland (surprise team)
    3. Indiana
    4. Minnesota
    5. Michigan
    6. Purdue
    7. Northwestern
    8. Wisconsin
    9. Penn State
    10. Iowa (dropper)
    11. Illinois
    12. Nebraska
    13. OSU
    14. Rutgers

    2-9 all pretty good, MSU elite, 10-12 suck, 13-14 terrible.

  • VOXAC30

    Yogi wasn’t over the top but he demanded a level of focus and wasn’t shy about it if needed to be done. Very solid point about Archie though he does not seem to be a free flow kind of guy… at all. He will make sure his guards follow the game plan which will be fun to watch.

    I cannot wait for the season to start… the first game I am going to try and focus on the sidelines. Josh Newkirk and Robert Johnson should be a pretty solid tandem!

  • VOXAC30

    Indiana at 3 would also be a surprise team 🙂 and I would take that all day long!

  • Yeah, I had the same thought about watching Archie’s coaching style as well. Lots to take a look at during the first few games, haven’t been this excited and anxious for a season in decades. I watched the ’93 IU @ Michigan game over the weekend and was reminded of how well RMK worked the refs — that’s another area where I’ll be watching closely to see how Archie does things.

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    well i guess they’re setting us up to be one of the surprise teams. i can see why we’d be ranked so low, given what we lost and how horribly we played defense last year. i can’t argue this team doesn’t have a heck of a lot to prove. but i do think their ceiling could be a 2nd or 3rd place finish.

  • Gregory J. Haggard

    Perhaps I was a little hard on Athlon!

  • Donnie Vick

    I’m sorry, but I fail to see what is so exciting about Minnesota.

  • IdahoHoosier

    They finished 4th last season and bring back a lot of good players, added some freshman. That coupled with not many other B1G teams seem poised to make huge leaps forward. Makes sense to me.

  • Burgersmash

    I see some people saying we can finish 2nd or 3rd. 2nd? Seriously? Objectively that simply makes no sense. Im a born and bred Hoosier fan and 2nd generation alum but Im also a basketball fan, have a brain, like to use it, and thusly I just cannot fathom how anyone can think we will finish 2nd or 3rd in the Big Ten. How much of our scoring did we lose? Who exactly is going to make up for that? Archie alone cannot make these kids more talented then they are. The incoming class is not loaded talent wise so their impact will be a year or two away. We simply do not have the talent to finish that high this year. Ya’ll can keep drinking the kool aid if you want but you are doing a disservice to the kids and the program by putting absurd expectations on them. This is Archie’s first year. Give it time. In 2-3 years we will be the top team in the Big Ten without a doubt. But this year? Come the f on. Get real.

  • Jermhoosierfan

    I would be ecstatic with a 5 or 6th place finish right now. I think we will be competitive, but no where near the top 3 unless they play out of their minds and Archie knows how to push those buttons early.

  • HoosierOne

    I think you’re being a little hard on them. We lost blackmon and Bryant for scoring. OG had a limited impact as his minutes were limited before his injury.

    I like DD’s footwork, inside/outside passing game, court awareness, rebounding, and defensive presence better than TB. RJ will feel more comfortable taking the shot now the JBJ and TC are gone, plus he plays defense better JBJ and defense wins championships. JM and CH are health and ready to battle inside and outside for consistent defense and offense and court awareness. Devonte showed great promise last year and should be a bigger factor this year along with JN.

    Add in there Archie and a new mentality for everyone with revived fan support and anything’s possible. “Whether you believe you can or you believe you can’t, you’re right.” If this team stays healthy I think we’ll finish top 5 in the conference. If DD, RJ, CH, or JM get hurt all bets are off!

  • HoosierOne

    I agree 100% about Archie leading the team and the players executing the game plan. 1 chief…..5 Indians.

  • Fivelefts

    He’s gonna have to learn how to work the refs! He’ll soon learn about the all cheating! B1G refs do, when it comes to IU.

  • Larry Brown

    Agree, EXCEPT IU has at least 4 guys who realistically could have breakout seasons. If even 2 of them do, that should improve on the projections. And I’m not just talking about DD and JM. There’s also DG, abd CuJo, and Newkirk improved significantly in the last third of last season and has the athleticism to improve more. So, let’s not be too pessimistic. But DD will absolutely have to stay healthy and avoid foul problems

  • Larry Brown

    I hate to admit it but putting Purdue that low is crazy. They’ve got tremendous talent

  • IU Marine

    I must be drinking the IU koolaid as i am surprised by how far down we are in all the projections. I know that we lost a lot, but feel like we have a lot coming back. I am also very intrigued by Clifton Moore. He was the recruit that i most wanted AM to retain.

    IU Marine

  • bball at nick’s

    You might be right, but please don’t tell the optimists that they are doing a “disservice” to the program with their high expectations. We might equally be doing the program a disservice by placing low expectations. Personally, I think that by investing our team with confidence that they can beat anyone in the B1G we actually enable them to achieve lofty goals, because we definitely have the talent.

  • bball at nick’s

    Let’s face it, if we are not top 4 in the B1G next year we will have difficulty recruiting to the level that will championships. No?

  • iugradmark

    These publications are never going to be close enough nor take the time to analyze the possible ways teams can be better or worse from their stat sheets. From their perspective, we lost 3 players that went to the NBA and replaced them with one player in the top 100. We had a lousy record last year and our schedule is more challenging this year. We have a new coach and system to implement. Hard to see why they wouldn’t rank us towards the bottom.

    Even for those who believe IU will finish higher, we may have to wait until late January to see things turn around. Our schedule is likely to put us in a hole. Our last 10 games provide an opportunity to finish strong and turn some heads but I don’t expect with our schedule to be looking all that great early.

  • TomJameson

    I think that most coaches respect Archie, but I don’t think it’s a deep abiding type of thing. lol . National reporters tend to know how good certain coaches are, and they still don’t give the team a lot of “love”.

    I think some are forgetting that the lack of “respect” is because of the team, not because of the coach. I think that IU is even underestimated even by some of our own fan base. In a big push to NOT be overly optimistic, I think some are pushing it too far the other way. Personally, I would rather be optimistic.

    To be sure … I am a realist. I know there are a few questions about the players, and the team picking up the offensive/defensive schemes, and other things. But I think IU will overcome and do well. I don’t need or want to have a heaping pile of pessimism to taint my good feeling, IU buzz. I’ve had enough of that the last few years.

    Go IU!

  • TomJameson

    Basically, the scoring we lost was JBJ. Bryant was used out of position, but he was still a force and one of the leading scorers. BUT .. DD will directly replace Bryant, and the waves of forwards will be his relief, and the pack-line defense will help them all.

    So the real question is, who will replace JBJ’s scoring. IMO, that will be RJ, with any other 3-4 thrown in at any given night.

    Still have to play the games, but I have faith that folks are really overlooking the scoring that this current team is capable of.

  • TomJameson

    In any of my posts, please forgive me if it seems like I’m labeling anybody. I am NOT trying to divide anybody up by Pessimists and Optimists. I realize we are all IU fans and have our own opinions, thoughts, and outlooks. I respect them all.

  • bball at nick’s

    JBJ is addition by subtraction.

  • bball at nick’s

    I’m sorry, not going to be a diplomat. I’m PISSED. We are going to compete with the best, and will be close or win. I bet Archie is pissed too. I wish Archie would ignore the media and just focus on kicking a$$ next year.

  • David Cootes

    I too am a basketball fan and agree a 2nd or 3rd preseason pick is too high with what was lost last year talent wise. However, do I see a possible top 3 or 4 finish, yes. We have the talent in players and a more defensive minded coach. If the players buy into the new system we won’t have to score 80 plus a game to win. My preseason pick would be the middle of the pack until proven otherwise.

  • South Pacific at TBD Rentals

    I agree. I understand why they would have lost faith in the team after losing some key players, from a disappointing team, but I think most here see the talent coming back and see the possibilities. After the top 5 in the league, there are some huge question marks, and I think IU is right there behind those 5. If Wisconsin struggles with losing the whole team except for Happ, we could be 5.

  • South Pacific at TBD Rentals

    1 MSU
    2 Minnesota
    3 Purdue
    4 Northwestern (These top 4 are locks)
    5 IU Lots of experience coming back.
    6 Wisconsin (Only Ethan Happ coming back- lost a lot)
    7 Michigan (Only Mo Wagner returns- lost a lot)
    8 Maryland
    9 Ohio State
    10 Penn State
    11 Rutgers
    12 Iowa
    13 Illinois
    14 Nebraska

  • TomJameson

    Hi Marine. Like South Pacific, I understand why the “pundits” are saying what they are. They focus on three NBA players we lost, and from an underperforming team at that. But the experts don’t dive into the team as much as we do here, and on the premium forum.

    They don’t consider that OG didn’t play most of the season (just that he was a draft pick). They don’t consider that Bryant was played out of position to help him in his NBA quest. They don’t consider that the coaching situation might have been a big distraction to the team. Actually, the biggest scoring loss (IMHO) is JBJ although, even out of position, TB was one of the leading scorers.

    But another thing to consider is that when a leading scorer leaves, another one is ready to step up and take the lead. RJ came in as a top-50 recruit, and was heralded for his shooting. As a senior, and out from under the shadow of Yogi and JBJ, and with his new-found dedication (according to Archie), I think he is going to kick some serious behind. That same dedication and hard work over the summer will pay dividends for our Sophomores.

    Normally the biggest leap in a CBB player is in his sophomore year. While that isn’t always true, it would be very difficult to believe that ALL of our Sophomores are stuck in the mud. Highly unlikely … so whos going to make a big jump? Curtis, Devonte, or DeRon. I think those three have been mentioned by Archie as some of the hardest working and most focused as any of the team.

    All in all, yeah, I know things can go south, but I’m enjoying the optimism that Arch brought to this season. I think IU will do well this year, for sure finishing in the top group of 6. But regardless, if there is a steady improvement in all areas, I’d be happy enough.

  • bleeding crimson

    Especially after just getting two recruits that two other B1G schools thought they were going to get.

  • beppecolo

    amen