The Minute After: Stony Brook

  • 11/17/2013 8:23 pm in

Thoughts on a 90-74 win over the Seawolves: 

On paper, Stony Brook looked like another sneaky early test for the Hoosiers, a veteran team with some strong individual talent. But the Hoosiers had a lead coast-to-coast in this one, and aside for a few runs here and there where the Seawolves threatened, Indiana pretty much controlled the game en route to its fourth straight victory to open the season.

It was a brand of ball we’ve come to expect from this Tom Crean squad: Get to the foul line again and again and again, score in transition, utilize all the athleticism to overwhelm the opponent. The Hoosiers wasted no time attacking the hoop and visiting the charity stripe. The fouls really piled up by the final buzzer. 55 in total. Two Seawolves fouled out, another three had four fouls. Will Sheehey fouled out late. Hanner Mosquera-Perea had four. (The new rules continue to make these early Indiana games free throw fests.)

At half, the Hoosiers had amassed a whooping 140.0 free throw rate (FTA/FGA). But they hit on just 15-of-28 (53.6 percent). For the game, the Hoosiers made just 30-of-49 (61.2 percent). Had they been more efficient from the line, this could have been a bigger blowout, the Hoosiers flirting with and perhaps surpassing the century mark once again.

Noah Vonleh gave the Seawolves early trouble around the bucket, but he hit on just 6-of-12 free throws in the first half and just 6-of-14 for the game. But Vonleh more than made up for it in other areas. He posted yet another double-double with 18 points and 15 rebounds to go along with two steals and a block. Vonleh feasted on a few putbacks, once tipping in his own miss and another time grabbing a rebound and having enough space to dunk it back home strong. Vonleh keeps finding new ways to dip and dive for buckets in the post, and his ability to use both hands with a variety of moves might keep him similarly effective when the competition improves.

Yogi Ferrell had another dominant performance, scoring 24 points (3-of-7 from distance, 7-of-10 from the line, 7-of-16 from the field), dishing out six assists and turning the ball over just twice. Yogi is becoming increasingly comfortable bombing a quick 3-pointer with a defender not far from him on one play and on the next zipping by the defender and scoring at the rim. It’s a balance that makes him a tough cover.¬†Evan Gordon had perhaps his finest game in the cream and crimson, scoring 12 points on a couple nice scores at the cup.

The Seawolves came into the game shooting 42.9 percent from distance, but hit just 20 percent (3-of-15) tonight. They’d also been turning the ball over at just a 13.6 percent clip, but the Hoosiers turned them over on 17.5 percent of their possessions tonight.

Indiana will head to New York for games against Washington and either UConn or Boston College at the end of the week, and the Syracuse ACC-Big Ten Challenge game looms not long after. Tougher tests to be sure, but so far so good for a young squad that continues to improve.

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  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    Totally unrelated, but Mo Creek is having a great start for George Washington. Scored 27 on Saturday, averaging 19.3 pts in 26 mins over three games.

    Not exactly the best competition, but great to see. Such a shame what happened to that kid. If he hadn’t gotten injured, he might be in the NBA right now.

  • HoosierTrav

    If Troy Williams and Yogi ever figure out the alley oop situation, we may have to build a new stadium whether we like it or not. The Hall will crumble from the energy that oop will create.

  • Kenneth234

    I’m not sure what you seen in Hartman that was all that solid yesterday. He did challenge a few shots on defense, and got a rebound put back. But that was about the only somewhat positive things I can recall. The shooting display he showed yesterday is frightening. On his 3 attempt, he barely caught rim, and on his baseline jumper he didn’t even do that. I also remember him getting beat a few times off the dribble. So outside of just eating minutes while Sheehey was in foul trouble, I struggle to see how he impacted the game positively. But that is just my recollection, what did I miss?

  • VAHoosier

    Maybe just a matter of perspective and expectations. No, Hartman didn’t light it up, but nobody expects him to. Nobody really expected him to even get minutes, which is why it is mildly impressive to see him out there competing with the 2d team. Was he a dynamo? No. But he gave good minutes and the team didn’t experience a noticeable dropoff. That is “solid play,” as the OP pointed out.

  • Kenneth234

    Hollowell had 10 points, hit 5 of 6 of his free throws, 1 of 2 of his 3 pt attempts, had 2 rebounds, 3 blocked shots in 27 minutes of play. He also had zero fouls and 4 turnovers. The 4 turnovers were not terrible turnovers either, they were made while trying to make an aggressive play with the ball, and I do not recall any of them leading to a transition basket. So I do believe many are being too hard on Jeremy. His role is quite different than it was last year. He is not just in there to buy minutes anymore, he is expected to do many more things than was expected out of Watford last season. And with the added responsibility, comes extra pressure and more room for mistakes. However, overall he was very solid. The style of play is going to lead to many turnovers, and four from a 6′ 8″ player who starts at Power forward, and plays every role down to point guard is not too shabby in my opinion.

  • Kenneth234

    Well, he has been mentioned many times as a player who can stretch the defense by hitting shots, so throwing up air balls from the baseline and barely catching rim on a 3 pt shot, isn’t doing anything towards what many have thought his role would be. Perhaps the only good contribution he made was the rebound and put back outside of just being on the floor. I am pulling for the kid, but when he gets mentions as playing solid, and Hollowell (although not in this post) has been getting ripped for his efforts, there is something wrong in my opinion.

  • VAHoosier

    His box score is not really the problem. I just think his decision-making has not been terrific. My impression is that he is pushing a bit too much, maybe putting a bit too much pressure on himself and not trusting his teammates. Yes, his TO’s arose from aggressive play, but most of them also resulted from Jeremy playing a bit out of control and forcing things.

    He just needs to relax and let the game come to him little more. He’s a great player and he will be big for us in the B1G season.

  • mk

    its pretty tough to miss the happy face and how could there be a lack of a happy face if you did put one in?

  • Kenneth234

    I’m hoping the addition of athletes and all the players willing to drive to the basket will make beating the zone a little easier than it was for last years team. The biggest difference in the sweet 16 game was the athleticism and IU’s unwillingness to drive into the defenders. The new rules will help this team in the Syracuse game as well, if they can hit 70 to 75% of their attempts at the line, they stand a good chance at coming away with a win. The downside is that is IU’s first true road game, and it is in a dome, so shooting might be difficult as it tends to be in those settings at times. But thus far, I like the confidence and swagger that this team has shown, so maybe the will be up for the road test.

  • Kenneth234

    But the aggressive drives usually get rewarded with the new foul emphasis. The more he tries to go into a defender the more we get a guy who is knocking free throws down to the line to capitalize. Now, I would like for him to not dribble off his leg, or go into double teams on the drive attempts, but he certainly needs to continue to be very aggressive; just choose his opportunities a little better.

  • r

    I would like to know where Etherington and Robinson were. Very limited, or so it seemed. Are they just not completely ready from a conditioning standpoint?

  • r

    I probably should have left Robinson out, as he didn’t play up to his ability last night. However, did Etherington even make it into the lineup?

  • SCHoosier

    I have to disagree on JH..he can not put the ball on t he floor without getting stripped 50% of the time. Butt went to bench second half..hope lesson is learned..but he did that way too often last year. We need him on the floor doing the right things. I will say this..if Davis had JH’s outside shot..Devin would really cut into JH’s minutes. Thoughts of him as a point guard are delusional IMO..except we have NO One who can take Yogi’s spot for any length of time.

  • r

    I am guessing he will be the third leading scorer. He did score 9 points in 12 minutes last night.

  • r

    I didn’t see the entire game, but I did see the entire second half…and two ridiculous fouls called against Sheehey where he was whistled for looking too closely at the opponent. What mistakes did I miss? I am assuming these were first half mistakes.

  • SCHoosier

    Let him hit FT’s on a regular basis…show a little more than baby hooks and lay-ups..then we can talk. Huge potential to be better that Cody..just a little early to say that IMO.

  • SCHoosier

    Luke is playing more cautiously than he did in high school..understandable with the injury. Like his defensive aggressiveness..needs to get quicker on pick and roll defense…on O he’d better learn to pump fake and use those jump hooks or eating leather will become a regular thing. Wish this kid was full strength cause he will be a force when he is.

  • SCHoosier

    I’m almost sure we’re not a cinch to beat Washington.

  • IUMIKE1

    Good point.

  • VAHoosier

    Again, our expectations for Hollowell are a bit different than those for Hartman.

  • r

    Not sure which teams ranked higher than Indiana lost, but I doubt Indiana rises much.

  • IUMIKE1

    If Burr didn’t retire when he hit the age of 110 then he probably won’t ever retire.

  • Ole Man

    Whatever I saw, and I’m certainly no expert, CTC must have noticed as well.
    He singled out CH for his play and the boost he gave to the team coming off the bench.
    His D was good. He was talking to his teammates. His energy was excellent. You knew he was on the floor in an excellent way.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Tom Crean appeared to be rather angry with Will for his 5th foul. I didn’t think it was a foul but CTC was yelling at him for probably even being be in a position where the official could call him for his 5th. I thought his 3rd, 4th and 5th fouls were horrible calls but CTC definitely considered the 5th to be a mistake on Will’s part.

  • Ole Man

    His drives are 50/50 at this point. Either he’s rewarded in some way, or he takes a wild shot/or turns the ball over.

  • IUMIKE1

    No retractions. If I wasn’t granted a retraction and had to eat 57 pounds of crow after I said there was no way that JBJ would end up signing with us you’re gonna have to feast on some of my feathered friend too. I’ve found that if you take a big drink before you put the bite in your mouth, headbutt something really hard, hold your nose, close your eyes, then take another big drink right after you swallow, then exhale through your mouth and do all this while thinking about that one thing that always makes you madder than anything else in the world that it’s not really that bad. LOL

  • IUMIKE1

    While the fouling thing was something that needed to be addressed I think they have went way overboard with it. I’m beginning to wonder if the charge call even exists anymore. There have been at least 2 or 3 times that Yogi was called for a foul that should have been a charge, even with the new rules. Now having said all that and with how the fouls are being called this year I thought his 5th foul WAS a foul. Think Crean, as others have said, was more PO’d about how it happened in conjunction with him being a senior and how quick it happened as much as anything. Last year it was for sure not a foul but rather a savvy move as it probably kept the opposing player from being able to save the ball to a teammate.

  • r

    Will has been ripped on here (usually Hollowell is the target of choice) for last night. I only saw the second half, so I very well could have missed some freshman mistakes. However, I did see two atrocious fouls called against Will…and scoring 9 points in 12 minutes of play indicates he can score in bunches. I already knew this, having watched him score nearly 10 points per game as the sixth man.

    Okay, so almost all my posts have been about Will today. I guess I am defending a player before watching the first half. Maybe I will have different thoughts on his play after.

    Yogi is going to be phenomenal by the time he leaves Bloomington. Wow! With Vonleh and Yogi as two players who could likely average in the upper teens, players like Will, Hollowell, Fischer, Davis, Gordon, and Williams getting on the scorer’s table, and a much improved Perea, I see so much potential.

  • ForeverIU

    One thing is obvious: Jeremy is averaging 23 minutes a game, which is a little bit more than Will. If CTC’s track record is any indication, Jeremy is about to explode, or will improve steadily at worst. He, Will and Yogi will go into the Syracuse game with the zeal of an injured underdog. I can’t wait.

  • r

    I think they are two very different players with different sets of skills.

    I think Cody might have the edge over Vonleh in a game of one-on-one.

    Cody is so smart and so good with his feat that he finds ways to move around an opponent. Vonleh has great defensive skills and a willingness to attack the boards. Both possess a physical strength that is greater than one might expect.

    It seemed to me that Cody had another level that didn’t always get used. He seemed to only show his best…becoming extremely aggressive and playing in attack mode…when playing against elite competition or when the game was on the line.

    So, my theory is:

    Considering how good Vonleh is, if Cody matched up against him in a game of one-on-one, I think Cody would play at that other level.

    Regardless of who won, it wouldn’t surprise me if there were at least a few tie-breakers…and the game didn’t end on the predetermined point total.

    Then again, I am comparing Cody as he was as a sophomore to Vonleh as a four-game college veteran. Vonleh is going to be a beast!

  • r

    I think Etherington might be an answer for the additional option as a deep ball threat. Although, I am not sure where he has been.

  • r

    To hear that Mo Creek is lighting it up puts an enormous smile on my face! How could anyone wish for anything less than the best for a kid with that much willpower. Incredible story…if he leads GW in scoring and sends them to the tournament, there will be all sorts of coverage.

  • r

    Thanks for that! It is appreciated. I thought that might be what people were referencing, but I didn’t equate that to too many freshman mistakes as other have here.

  • r

    I agree that this particular play you are referencing would have been a good defensive move last year. So, with these ridiculous new rules I guess Will is a freshman like anyone else…would be hard to make that adjustment after playing instinctively the other way for so long. I think the rules suck…even if it does make it harder for Craft to win anymore defensive awards.

  • Kenneth234

    I hate the idea of comparing the two. They are so much different. Really, I actually think their skill sets would have complimented each other so much. If we still had Cody (assuming that wasn’t the reason we had a scholarship available for Noah), and these two on the floor along side Sheehey, Yogi, and in a perfect IU world Oladipo, there would be no doubt who the best team in the country would be.

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    And, not to be a jerk or anything, but his jumper might be useful to this year’s team…

  • JohnFromBeyond

    Just so you know, I was defending Will too, in a sarcastic way. I thought the last two fouls against him were totally bogus. Seems like the refs are just anticipating fouls this year, in addition to calling the hand check fouls etc.

    With Will on the floor more, and IU hitting just 60% of free throws, this game wouldn’t have been a huge blowout.

  • Walton

    It’s terrible. That was a very long, drawn out second half. There is nothing exciting about watching free throws. I don’t get the new rule.

  • Walton

    I didn’t think I had huge expectations for this team, but if they don’t make the tournament I would be disappointed.

  • Walton

    I haven’t seen much indication that our three point shooting is going to improve that much. Free throws should be corrected.

  • Walton

    The only problem I see with this statement is that Etherington, into his third season, hasn’t shown me anything concerning him being a deep threat. I can barely recall seeing him make a three pointer.

  • Snookafly

    A couple of our guys have shown they can get to the basket at will, but have no kind of touch when they get there. Hollowell for one, but Troy also throws up a lot of clangers too. I know we’re young, so I suppose they haven’t yet fully realized that they won’t be able to get by on pure athleticism in the B1G. This is one of those things that should improve with time.

  • r

    Maybe I am wrong, but I am almost certain he was recruited as a long-distance shooter. I haven’t seen him play much at all, let alone hit any three balls. So, I just wonder why he hasn’t seen more of the floor yet. Must be more to it than I know of…although I have read that he wasn’t quite to the level of conditioning the others are yet, after being out for nearly an entire year.

  • r

    Nothing jerk-like about that statement at all. I think most would agree with you.

  • Walton

    Injury could be playing a factor. I think his speed is a concern too. He looks like one of the slower people on the court, Games just look too fast for him.