Around the Hall: Legends Classic, Kenny Johnson, more

Around the Hall is recommended reading from the Inside the Hall staff:

· Eamonn Brennan of ESPN.com breaks down five players to watch (hint: Cody Zeller) and predicts a champion for November’s Legends Classic at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

· In his review of preseason tournament brackets, Jeff Eisenberg of Yahoo! Sports writes that drawing Indiana was a worst-case scenario for Georgia.

· The Washington Post examines AAU coaches from the D.C. area making the jump into the college coaching ranks. New Hoosier assistant Kenny Johnson is prominently discussed.

· Bruce Feldman, a college football columnist for CBSSports.com, writes that he’ll remember Neil Reed as a person who made a lot of people smile.

· Rick Bozich of WDRB Sports writes that Reed should be remembered for more than one moment.

· Matt Roth talked to Dustin Dopirak of The Herald-Times about his future in Bloomington and college basketball.

· The Indianapolis Star continues its countdown of the top 50 Indiana players of all-time with Mike Woodson at No. 8.

  • iuball11

    Is there any chance at all that we get to see this team player before October, like an open gym or something?

  • IUJeff

    I think I’d pay to see the practices this off season..

  • Oldguyy

    Mike Woodson was definitely one of my all-time favorite Hoosiers. Smooth as silk. He played early in his IU career with Wayne Radford, another favorite, who, like Damon Bailey later, was a good guard, but with a little more height, would have been a great forward.

  • Wes
  • IUjb

    Long time reader, first time poster..
    That Dopirak article is rough. I’ve got to believe it’s either misleading, or CTC is feeling like a jerk right now. If the latter we as fans need to make mental note. This kind of situation (it’s likely to get worse on Aug 20th when we find out if someone else is dropped) cannot happen again. I know the arguments about Matt getting a lot from IU, but he gave just as much and it’s simply not cool that he couldn’t be on the team, after all he worked for, when things really start looking up. No way to spin this well….

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    Works fine.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    Updated the link in our post.

  • Kelin Blab

    It was a tough read givin our love for Roth and I am not sure of a viable remedy to the situation that would not affect another kid the same way. You weigh your options and the long term strength of the program and it spells Matt “for3″ Roth moving on. Would love to see him lace em’ up for this title run this year but I understand the situation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jonny.mcclain Jonny McClain

    i agree that it was hard to read that article – i personally feel that Matt Roth needs to move on but why they haven’t told him yet is pretty strange – let the kid go on with his life. maybe we are missing something, but if not, i feel this is not a very classy move by the coaching staff. i am sure we will hear a lot about it a month from now so maybe that will clear it up.

  • marcusgresham

    Even though it benefits IU (and UCLA, who I’ve always liked, too,) I don’t really care for this trend of guaranteeing teams a spot in the final four of a tournament regardless of what they do in the first couple of games in it. I know the venue is protecting itself against Northeastern Earwax Tech A&M State College making it and killing ticket sales, but it’s still weak.

  • HoosierKen73

    I agree with you 100%…no, 1000% if there is such a thing. Matt got his scholarship benefits, and got his education. If he wants to be on this years team, let him walk on… IU does not owe him anything. I like him, also, and it is kind of rough…but let someone else have the scholarship. Just my opinion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1135592086 Jeremy Pinnell

    I assumed when he took part of Senior Night that he was done for his career at IU. I don’t blame him for wanting that last year, but he should have considered that. The coaching staff is stuck in a rock and a hard place. He has to see them already over one on scholarship with himself being left out by proxy. He wants to be a part of a possible championship season which I don’t blame him, but he has to be logical and move on.

  • iuball11

    Oh yeah, I would too

  • IUjb

    The problem I have with this argument is that it is based on the belief that the relationship between the university and the athlete is a one-way street – the University has given lots to the athlete so they shouldn’t complain. The logical extension of this is that it is morally ok for players to be recruited over at any time; eg ‘player x got 2 years of free education, so the university doesn’t owe them anything.’
    I think it makes more sense to think of student-athletes, especially big-time student athletes, as giving a ton to the university in return for their education and the chance to compete in the sport they love. Matt helped put a great face on the university through his hard work, and was rewarded for it. The expectation should be that as long as you are eligible and put in that hard work you will be rewarded with the chance to keep going to school and playing the sport you love.
    I think the better argument is the ‘stuff happens’ one, but it doesn’t seem that was the case given that we are 2 over. Stuff only ‘happened’ to whoever else is out or pays their way on Aug 20th, but Matt was never part of the plan for the team. And he should have been. Bottom line, CTC obviously shouldn’t be demonized for this, but it can’t become a policy.

  • Kris

    Although I hate to see Matt Roth go, it’s time to pass the torch. Matt
    has a bright future ahead. He’ll be married soon and with two degrees
    from IU he should enjoy a nice career. Matt will always be remembered as
    part of the team that put IU back on the map. IU Nation will never
    forget.

  • DannerPerea

    IUjb, i’m not sure what you mean by “it’s simply not cool that he couldn’t be on the team…” He WAS on the team…a magical team that the nation (not just Hoosier Nation) fell in love with. He was a potent offensive weapon whose defensive skills really picked up last year and his contributions will not be forgotten anytime soon. WE LOVE MATT ROTH!!!
    And I’m sure CTC would welcome him on the team again as a walk-on. True, he would have to pay out-of-state tuition for any more graduate level courses, but…he did get ALL of his undergraduate degree and then his Master’s degree paid for. I guess it’s really just up to Matt as to whether he wants to go for a National Title on his own dime..it’s a once in a lifetime opportunity. What would his minimum tuition and books run? I’m not buying the argument (nobody brought it up yet) of opportunity cost of finding a job…a job will be there after this coming season..perhaps an even better job.
    I think we all need to chill on the “this kind of situation cannnot happen again” talk, and recognize what these kids got in exchange for an agreement to play. It’s not like Roth is being kicked off the team or fired from a position in IU Athletics. He rec’d 4 years of college education from one of the nation’s best universities FOR FREE.
    Relax and let Coach be the coach.
    Respectfully submitted,
    Danner Perea, IUbb fan for life

  • DannerPerea

    From what we all know about CTC, does is make sense perhaps that Coach is waiting to hear from Matt on what MATT ROTH wants to do? I’d bet my house that Roth has a spot on the team with “preferred walk-on” status. Again, it seems to me that Matt can come back and play on a serious National Title contending team with his significant specialty as a sniper from anywhere near mid-court. My advice to Matt is to find a way to foot the bill this last season and thank God for the opportunity to chase your dreams doing what you love. The career will be there for the rest of your life Matt. BTW, if your new bride (congrats dude!) is an Indiana resident, you may qualify for in-state tuition. Look into that;)

  • SCHoosier

    U look at the PSU situation with transfers and the Roth thing is a tempest in a teapot.

  • SCHoosier

    Juryr stil out of Mo Creek..and if that opens up a spot I guess it could go to the 6th new recruit or Mr. Roth for another year?

  • HoosierGrad07

    It would be a lot different and harder to accept if Roth had been pushed out before his first four years were done but thats not the case. He was a great part of our school and basketball program for four years and received two degrees for free and I believe most of us are ok with that. Sadly life doesn’t work out perfectly, especially when you’re forced to rebuild from nothing like Crean was. It does suck but I also don’t think it takes any spinning. Crean is not gonna come off bad to any recruits because the guys we are recruiting now don’t expect to be four year guys.

    Don’t blame Crean, just blame the freak nature of injuries that cost Roth one of his four years.

  • HoosierGrad07

    The only thing I would say to that is that Roth got 4 years. The understanding when you offer scholarships is more often than not, you are making a four year commitment to a player and he is making the same to you.

    It would be totally different if Roth were a fringe NBA player who might make a push towards being drafted with this last year but that’s not the case. In that scenario, I would say IU owed Roth all his eligibility because he had a chance to make a better living as a pro but as it stands, IU has given Roth the ability to earn two degrees which will give him his best opportunities in the professional world.

  • Evansville Hoosier

    Honestly, I just think of it as 2 separate tournaments. I mean, that’s really all it is.

  • hardcore_hoosier

    Correct me if I am wrong but next years roster has to be finalized by August 1st, right? It will be a relief to finally get the speculation of the scholarship situation resolved.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    August 20, per Dustin’s piece.

  • MillaRed

    Still seems like a tough call at this point. He already has two degrees. At this point what is there to study? Is he really a student at that stage? And it’s out of pocket?

    I really think the team can use him. And from what I read I don’t think Coach is waiting on Roth.

  • hardcore_hoosier

    Must have overlooked that. Thanks Alex.

  • Kevin Tolliver

    The UCLA game will test our bigs and rebounding. The Bruins are loaded with 6’10 , 6’11 guys with weight.

  • http://twitter.com/erikholm Erik Holm

    Since he already has his degree(s), can he come back and take just 1 class? I think I remember Matt Leinert taking just 1 class (Ballroom Dancing) when he came back for his senior year. Or, do you have to be a ‘full time’ student? The reason I ask is that 1 1-credit class might not be too bad financially.

  • IUjb

    No, they probably expect to also play 4 years. Put it this way, if Matt were as vital as even a Jordan Hulls, would his 4th year of eligability have ever been put at risk? If the answer is no then the correlary is that CTC made a strategic decision at Matt’s expense. I don’t like that. Do unto others and all…

  • MillaRed

    Think there is more to it than that. Not sure how many credits but we’re talking a full year and a decent amount of cash out of pocket.

  • INUnivHoosier

    Can we combine the two players into one? That would solve everything.

  • INUnivHoosier

    You aren’t crazy, Charlie. I was having problems with the link when it first posted. Obviously, works now.

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