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The Minute After: Ohio State

by in The Minute After | February 27th, 2011

Thoughts on a 82-61 blowout at the hands of the Buckeyes:

Unwatchable.

For maybe the first time all season, that’s what Indiana became this afternoon in Columbus.

This was a game that even with limited production from Jared Sullinger (0 field goals, five points all on free throws, sat out all but three minutes in the first half because of foul trouble) and Jon Dielber (just 2-of-7 from three) Ohio State still dominated from start to finish. The Hoosiers just never really got into this game.

It often felt like Indiana the last two seasons under coach Tom Crean: Not enough talent, not enough experience, but bringing plenty on hustle.

This is the reality of the Indiana program right now: The gap between the Hoosiers, a team set to finish at the bottom of the Big Ten for a third straight year, and the Buckeyes, a team set for a No. 1 seed in the NCAA Tournament, is a big one.

In the first half, Indiana missed all eight of its 3-point attempts, and had more turnovers (10) and fouls (13) than field goals (9). And though Sullinger was a non-factor in that half, freshman and Indiana native Deshaun Thomas filled in admirably, scoring 16 points in 10 minutes (6-of-7 from the field, 2-of-3 from three). He finished the game with 22 points.

Crean busted out a full-court press for a long stretch in the second half, but the Hoosiers trailed by 20 or more for almost that entire frame. OSU alley-oops were frequent.

Chicago Bulls TV color man Stacey King often says “too big, too strong, too fast” after point guard Derrick Rose rips off an impressive move to the bucket for two.

On a day like today, that was Ohio State: just too big, strong and fast for the Hoosiers.

Other notes:

+ Verdell Jones had a quiet 14 points, as he hit two threes in the second half to try and narrow the gap. Christian Watford (12 points) was the only other Hoosier in double figures. Jordan Hulls finished 1-of-9 (1-of-5 from three) for only three points.

+ Indiana shot just 38.5 percent from the floor (20-of-52) and 27.3 percent from three (6-of-22).

+ The Hoosiers again put the opponent on the line an unhealthy amount of times, as Ohio State went 27-of-36 (75 percent) from the line. Indiana did a decent job of getting there itself, though, making 15 of its 20 attempts (75 percent).

  • eph521

    Milla, do you remember earlier this year when we were playing our All Home Cupcakes Series and winning games… Crean’s sideline demeanor seemed to “improve”. He seemed calmer, didn’t pace as much and appeared to be strategically thinking on the sidelines… I even recall some posts here on ITH where we all noticed his new sideline style.

    But you’re right… the crazy Crean is back lately. I guess he struggles with his emotions when the team is losing and/or not doing what they should be doing on the court. Most of us do… it’s alot easier to be calm when you sink the putt for birdie, rather than when you miss the putt for double bogey.

  • MillaRed

    I totally agree. Hell I had a tear in my eye just watching it. I just wish we would have followed it up with a few more wins.

  • MillaRed

    Well said. To say CTC wears his heart on his sleeve is an understatement eh? If we think this team is killing us imagine what it’s doing to this poor guy.

    I still believe in Coach Crean. Still I had no idea we would be this bad after three seasons. We continue to be a very bad basketball team and it gets tougher every year.

  • marcusgresham

    I’ll give you that one for sure, but Thomas spent his entire afternoon unguarded on the same block. No idea who was supposed to be guarding him because I never saw anyone close enough to him that I could blame.

  • MillaRed

    Mike, your second paragraph is and has been the flavor of the day for a month or two. I HAVE to believe Coach and many other important IU athletic members agreed that regardless of what this team had to offer on the court the last two years, they were instilling this system for the long haul.

    This is the most important reason to believe in this staff. Because if we were running it to actually get better with this team and win games, we are a bunch of idiots. This system and this team are oil and water.

  • InTheMtns

    Double ouch – we haven’t won a road game against a Top 25 team in more than nine years.

  • marcusgresham

    I just heard on the Bob Valvano show (Valvano does the radio for U of L,) that when the players went to the sideline Pitino told them, “we got a ‘T’ because one of the cheerleaders grabbed the ball, but don’t be mad at the girl; she probably doesn’t know the rules.”
    The players pointed out to him, “no, Coach, you have it wrong, It was one of the guy cheerleaders.”
    Pitino said, “We have male cheerleaders? When did that happen?”

  • HoosierFromCT

    His best call was the Rose dunk on Goran Dragic: “What are you doing Dragic?!?!? Did you not get the memo??!!!!….I wanna go higggheerrrr”

  • CemDinc

    You and me both! I think there was a collective “uh-oh” after the Penn State loss at home. Turns out everyone was right…it’s been a long, long year…

  • marcusgresham

    You should also remind them how many of those wins were acquired under probation.

  • millzy32

    Pretty obvious statement. Another obvious statement would be that it is very hard to watch a team you love look so inept against high level competition. Here’s to the future cuz it’s all we got folks. March Madness just isnt’ the same without the Hoosiers. I pray that next year is the last time we have to miss it for a very very long time.

  • millzy32

    Was Mike Davis a good coach? Not really. Was he a good recruiter? He was ok at best. That being said his most lackluster team (pick one) would mop the floor with this year’s IU team I don’t even think it is debatable. If Davis would have won 8 big ten games out of 57 he would have been fired way quicker than he was forced to resign.

  • millzy32

    Lighty would be our best player hands down. He can create his own shot and he’s tough.

  • Anonymous

    Marcus, as a southern guy you probably know as well as I do: they don’t care. A win’s a win, no matter how much money it took.

    I think people who haven’t dealt with wildcat fans don’t understand how little they care about rules. Quite a few prefer a cheater as they like being “outlaws”.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know about that. The 2003/2004 team? 14-15, T-9 in the Big Ten? Strick/Bracey/Moye/Sean Kline (kind of)/George Leach? Mike Roberts off the bench? Pat Ewing Jr. doing the stupid X-factor gesture when he’d get one tip-dunk, even though he’d committed 4 fouls up to that point? The legendary Jessan Gray?

    I’d argue this team, especially if you include a healthy Creek, would be on par with that team. It’s definitely not a whole lot worse And that team went 7-9 in the Big Ten, a Big Ten that only had 3 teams in the NCAA tournament that year (and none were that good…Illinois was a #5 seed, Wisconsin was a #6, MSU was a #7). Davis got to coach against that competition, and he went 14-15, 7-9. That team, today, wouldn’t do any better than the current team, would it?

    Just saying. Davis put that team on the floor one season after winning 21 games, and two seasons after going to the title game. Trended downward. Crean is trending the other way. (Also, while researching this to make sure I wasn’t imagining things, I saw that the 2003/04 team was the one that lost 100-67 at Wake Forest, an eventual #4 seed. Ugh.)

  • Anonymous

    As has been raised elsewhere, I’m starting to have some doubts about Matta’s version of the story after hearing a bit more.

    Starting to sound like an attempt for leverage in recruiting wars…

  • Andrew

    I know it’s your fantasy, but MSU or Illanoy can’t be the 3rd seed (your second IU BTT win). It will more than likely be Wiscy.

  • millzy32

    Teams that run the dribble drive are supposed to hit more free throws than the other team attempts. It’s an attacking system that is supposed to allow teams with inferior talent to compete with those much more talented.

    I didn’t make this up. The guy who designed the dribble drive pretty much said this stuff. Funny how this just isn’t what we are geting out of the dirbble drive.

  • Andrew

    Hahahahaha, yeah, RMK is renowned for his “professional courtesy.” FWIW, I have no problem with him giving Matta, or any other coach, advice. It’s his prerogative. But he’s as petty as they come, and you know he would do anything to drive the knife in IU just a little deeper.

  • Anonymous

    OK, just thought of this little tidbit that might give a little perspective towards the kind of crap has gone on around Bloomington for the past few years that CTC is trying to correct.

    Anyone care to see if he/she can name (without Googling the answer) who the last scholarship player IU had to complete all four of those seasons with the Hoosiers was and what year he left campus?

  • walt

    Guess at DJ White. Another topic. Is it self-esteem issues at this point in the season why IU is just plain missing shots big-time, and the constant dribbling, faking, dribbling and more of the same, until fans are shouting 8-7-6-5, etc, etc. Of course a miss after that. I am still IU and look forward to the future, our players are scrappy, work hard, but it has been painful to watch lately. What other type offense should be ran?

  • MillaRed

    Geez man CWat is only a sophomore. Give the kid some time. He is instant offense if playing on a good basketball team. He also opens up the floor for everyone else. He is asked do too much because we lack punch.

    Everyone is so down on this kid but he has two more years to contribute and we will need him. How many Big Ten kids came out of no where this year as upperclassmen? More than a handful.

  • stonaroni

    I have, he is basically a JR now 60 games into his college career. His defense is poor, he cannot be physical amongst the bigs, and I think he lacks that killer instinct.

    When he decides defense is important, I willlike him more. IMO he is too worried about his o and not enough about his d.

  • stonaroni

    I have, he is basically a JR now 60 games into his college career. His defense is poor, he cannot be physical amongst the bigs, and I think he lacks that killer instinct.

    When he decides defense is important, I willlike him more. IMO he is too worried about his o and not enough about his d.

  • stonaroni

    No, were run the dribble weave like no one else in the country because we fail to drive or penetrate off of it.

    MSU runs high ball screens with constant motion amongst their bigs and their guards do not just stand out top. Florida has a ton of flash cuts, and curls run off simple interior screens.

    UK is far more compley because their bigs actually scor in the paint. Harrelson and Jones woprk the high low post in theri DRIBBLE-DRIVE OFFENSE.

    I am sorry a one man motion offense is weak and our 3 man dribble weave circus act offense is weak as well.

    Purdue runs set of perimeter weave to that require guard penetration. JJ picks and pops a lot and the run specific sets when they need a score.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I think Elston. I think DE is scared of Thomas after getting owned in high school by the man. When he came in the game, DE acted like a 7th grader against him.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Yeah, you’re right about that. We’d get Wisconsin if we are lucky enough to win one game. Ill and MSU will play each other as 4/5 seeds most likely and we’ll get PSU to start I think, unless we can win one of these last two games to get to the 10th seed instead over Iowa.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Actually, Butler runs this offense a lot. The difference is you’ll see Nored, Mack, and somebody like VanZant all weaving and within to or three exchanges one of them splits the rotating defenders and drives. The reason for this is because they are QUICK! Do we have a guard that can run better than a 4.8 40?

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I think Watford is one of the main causes for this! We have 3 guards, Watford, and TP or Elston on the court a lot together (if you include JR, VO, and WS as all wing type guards). The guards weave and TP is left with nobody to screen for down low because CWat is standing out on the wing or corner waiting to get the ball and go one on one. I think if he were a true 4 we could at least have a couple bigs working to get somebody open but instead DE or TP are left all alone so their only use is to set a ball screen. Who else are they going to screen for when we’re either weaving or all standing 30 feet from the basket. IT’S MADDENING ISN’T IT!!!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I would argue that Pritchard does all those things except he’s only capable of scoring when someone sets him up. I’m preparing for Pritch to be a real standout and most improved player next year when he has a REAL scoring big man in there with him. Watford doesn’t count because he only draws double teams when he’s forcing the ball in on a drive and never makes a good pass from that situation.

    Actually, that brings me to another point. I thought at 6’8″ with the ball skills that CWat has, he would or could be a good interior passer but really he’s terrible! I don’t think I can remember a time when he drew a double team on the block and threw it to a weak side big for an open shot, can you???

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Buford is an NBA guy and so is Thomas. That’s three on their team and you’d be hard pressed to find a single player on our team that gets drafted!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    DJ has to be this answer. Although he actually played one partial season, right? And he left in 2007-08?

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    I would like to point out that Matt Roth came in with about 4-5 minutes to go against OSU’s first line and he got a steal (which wasn’t in the box score BTW but he got it around the 3-point line and it was obvious), boxed out Sullinger and got a rebound (1 of his 3), hit a three, and picked up an assist in 9 minutes. He also had a near steal at midcourt and a tipped pass on OSU’s baseline that led to a steal. He is slow and non-athletic but seems to have good instincts and seems to be in the right place on D a lot. Please, please, please someone explain to my why Daniel Moore should ever play when we have Will, Vic, JR, Hulls, Jones, and even Roth (who looks more serviceable to me since he’s at least a threat to score and plays smart defense) ready to play the guard positions???

    Roth should get more time just based on the fact that he seems to play smart and hard (minus his stupid pass at the end of the first half but he was just trying to rush it up the floor because we were down big)! I can understand Capo getting a few minutes because we’re so thin down low (though I wouldn’t mind seeing more Howard just in case), but I just don’t understand why Moore would ever play! Why not just play the baseball player on the roster?

    It just seems dumb and really makes us the laughing stock of the league for our coach playing a guy who can’t possibly contribute more than the other 6 guys that should be in front of him.

    See, I knew if I kept coming this week I’d eventually go on a frustration induced rant and piss someone off. I just keep thinking about it and wondering what is going on and why he’s playing???

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Another stat that highlights our lack of athleticism . . . ZERO BLOCKS AND ONLY TWO STEALS!!! That says it all IMHO right there!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-Matthews/1457776139 Dylan Matthews

    Knight helping Thad doesn’t bother me because of similar reasons people have posted. But why hasn’t anyone griped about Thad bringing it up? I think he was undermining Crean, maybe taking a shot at Crean for showing him up at halftime. For as much effort Crean has put forth to bring the family back together, and for all the public attempts to bring Knight back to IU, Thad boasts that he’s within a call to Knight. Thad did say he wasn’t supposed to tell, so we’ll see if Knight ever picks up his call again, but to me, Thad knows the IU fan base would eat that up. Thad is also the number one thief to instate talent, and now he’s making it look like he and Knight are buds. This story runs deeper than just a basketball drill.

  • Anonymous

    I was just about to type a reply to millzy32 along the lines of him comparing apples to oranges or something along that line but for some reason went ahead and read your reply which is a wwwhhhhoooollleee lot better reply than the ole apples to oranges thing. Great research and well stated facts to back them up couldn’t agree more.

  • Anonymous

    Out of all the things that I have heard Crean say this year I think the one that I agree with the most is when he said that the easiest thing about playing bball at IU for the last 2 or 3 years has been earning minutes on the court. This starts to change next year and even more the year after that. This is one place where CZ will help us, a lot. People don’t think this matters that much but it matters a tremendous amount. This may be what pushes CW to become the player that most of thought he could be when he signed with IU more than anything up to this point.

  • Anonymous

    Fair points. However, that top 20 recruiting class hasn’t panned out. I think Watford can live up to it if he will start playing some defense and move without the ball (partial blame to the staff, most of it to Watford), Creek has been hurt for his career, Capobianco doesn’t have the physical talent to contribute and Elston has been a disappointment. Again, I will partially blame the staff for not making Watford choose between playing defense or not playing at all and for the lack of development in Bobby and Elston but I will blame the players much more.

    We are all asking the same questions but Crean isn’t going anywhere until he sinks or swims with the incoming classes. It would be foolish of Glass to start over again. Our questions can only be answered with time and I feel arguing about it this season is an exercise in futility.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry Aceman. You weren’t paying attention to Butler. Matta had very little to do with Butler’s rise to relevancy. Collier established the culture, was the head coach for one season and Butler continued to be on top of their league after he left.

    Matta is a good coach but don’t give him credit for Butler’s rise.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    His win total in that season was at that time Butler’s record for wins and he got knocked out of the tournament by Arizona, who I believe finished runner up that year. He then went on and was dominant at Xavier for three years. I actually think the guy might be a shady recruiter which is what I was trying to nicely allude to.

  • Anonymous

    DJ left with a year of eligibility remaining. Rodrick Wilmont in ’07-’08 was the last player to complete his eligibility. Three seasons without a fourth-year player on the team (other than Taber or Finkelmeier.) How sad is that?
    Oh, and I DID have to Google it.

  • Anonymous

    I kind of hope you’re right because all that will do is piss off CTC. I doubt very seriously if there is a highly regarded recruit in the state that would be overly impressed with a coach having a connection to a guy who hasn’t really won anything since they’ve been alive. The current batch of HS seniors were born around 1993, so they don’t remember Bob Knight winning squat.

    I think Coach Crean is one of the most geniunely decent, kind coaches in the game right now but I hope he takes it as a personal affront (along with Matta having in a handful of starters at the final buzzer of a 21-point game,) and, at the first opportunity, rubs OSU so far into the floor that it wears “Value City” off the wood.

  • Anonymous

    I understand and happen to agree with you. I just don’t know how he keeps getting these guys. If you are a no doubt, automatic player, I understand it. But if you are not a top-50 recruit and you expect to play in your first year or two, why go there? It’s not like Columbus is a tremendous destination and their fans aren’t great.

    Again, I think he is a good coach and I know he had success at Butler in his one season. I just don’t think he had too much to do with it. The players were there, the culture was in place, he just had to be the figurehead for a season. Anyway, irrelevant and I think we are both on the same page about him. It does make me kind of a laugh when I hear people on the radio say, “I called it, _____ should have hired Matta back when he was at Butler.” Everyone thinks they see the next great coach coming after he makes it.

  • IUJeff

    He is playing because he is an Indiana kid who dreamed of playing at IU and walked on to try. He is playing because Crean should play the kids that show the most heart and passion for Indiana basketball. He is playing because he has earned the right to play for IU.

  • Anonymous

    I think losing Creek the past two seasons has been unbelievably detrimental to the program’s development. When he was healthy, he was our best scorer and best shooter. If we had him on the wing, the opponent wouldn’t be able to play the wet blanket defense on Jordy like they have the past 8-10 games.

    I know other teams deal with injuries, but other teams also are deeper than we are. Hopefully, Creek will be 100 percent next season. If not, I hope a redshirt will be forthcoming.

  • Anonymous

    I think it is because Matta is threatened by CTC’s recruiting prowess. Think what OSU would look like without the Indiana players over the past 5 seasons!! One of the biggest gripes I had about Davis and Sampson was that they didn’t recruit Indiana well. Sure, they got some good recruits from outside the state, but Indiana is a hotbed for talent, and some of our very best have been going to MSU and OSU for the past decade.

    That seems to be changing now, and that can’t be a happy thought for Matta. Matta is a good recruiter, but if you take away Indiana, you limit his effectiveness.

  • Anonymous

    I’m just going to go ahead and respond to all that replied on my post, so incbus, some of this is for you and some for the other three.
    David Lighty is a 5th year senior(RS) avg 12.5pts/game.
    as a soph. he avg 9 pts.
    Buford is a junior who avg 14/ game, same as last year.
    CWAt is only a soph(still injured) avg. 16.5/ game and 5.6 reb do y’all not think in 2 years time he will be way better then Lighty?Because he is way better as a soph then Lighty was!
    VJ avg 12.6 as a junior, same amount against same competition as Lighty
    Hulls (soph) avg 11.2/game compared to Craft(fresh) 7.1
    Oladipo(fresh) avg 7.6 compared to Thomas(fresh) 8.2

    Y’all can say all day that the reason our players avg just as many is because they have too. I would argue that it is much easier for all the Ohio St. players to avg what they do because they have teams double teaming Sullinger the whole game and have open cuts and looks all day.

    Now am I saying with Sullinger we would be the #1 team, absolutely not. But I do believe we would be a borderline top 25 team.
    The term GREAT player has evolved over the years, many of the guys you mentioned were great players for their time period(15-25 years ago), but would be one-dimensional and complementary players today.I do not believe the NBA is the end all be all of great players, espescially the draft, but I do believe if a player is Great he should be able to make a team and sustain that for a few years.And I do agree with you that they need toughness. I was just thinking the other day that they need a player from the projects that’s been arrested a few times and would go into practice and beat them all up every week just to make them better, the problem is denim shirt isn’t our coach anymore, and I don’t see CTC bringing anyone like that in.

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    Yeah, that’s pretty bad. I forgot DJ had a year left because he missed most of two seasons and got both of them back, but only used one. Good call.

    Man, what I’d give for a DJ White/Rod Wilmont combo right now!

  • Aceman_Mujezinovic_07

    He could get those minutes in mop up duty, not during crucial stretches of games. I mean, geez, did Dan Ruettiger deserve to play crucial minutes during his career at Notre Dame or was it an honor just to be on the team and get in for a play or two? I know IU stinks right now but he’s still not good enough to be playing!

  • INUnivHoosier

    I think this idea that people “earn” the right to play for IU is a bit ludicrous. Over the years there have been many a walk-on, and very few of those guys ever played more than a few minutes in their entire careers. Didn’t those guys “earn” the right to play for IU in big minutes during the game?

    That being said, it is not DM’s fault that he is getting playing time. Maybe he is kicking everyone around in practice; I don’t know. If he is, then he needs to bring that attitude and ability to the games. Right now, I’m not seeing it, and if I’m coach, I’m playing all of my other guards until they foul out or we are up 30 or 40 (because 20 just doesn’t seem like enough for this crew.)

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