Indiana at the top of the list for Moses Morgan

  • 05/06/2009 7:00 am in

If 2010 Las Vegas guard Moses Morgan needs an opinion on the basketball program in Bloomington, he need not go far for advice. Morgan’s father, Winston, played for Bob Knight and the Hoosiers in the 80’s after a prep career at Anderson Madison-Heights.

And now the younger Morgan, the No. 68 player in the 2010 class according to Rivals.com, has the Hoosiers front and center in his recruitment.

“Right now, Indiana is the school that’s on top of my list,” Morgan told Inside the Hall. “It sounds like the best fit for me right now that I could see myself playing in.”

Despite the fact that his father played for the Hoosiers, Morgan hasn’t followed the program closely until recently.

“I haven’t really been following Indiana, but since they’ve started to recruit me, I’m following up on them and seeing what they’re about since Coach Crean has been there,” Morgan said. “My Dad always tells me I need to go to a school that’s good academically. He tells me a lot about Indiana’s academics. He also said the campus is nice.”

Along with Indiana, Morgan is being pursued by Arizona, Michigan, Marquette, Oklahoma and UNLV. Despite speculation that a decision could be on the horizon, Morgan is planning to take his time and some visits over the summer.

“I’ve been saying I’d make a decision at the end of this school year, but right now it’s changed,” Morgan said. “I don’t even know when I’m going to make a decision. So I’m just being patient right now. We’re just going to wait and see what develops. My Dad and I want to take some unofficials to some of the schools.”

Among the schools expected to get unofficial visits: IU, Arizona, Michigan and Marquette.

After a junior campaign that saw his Palo Verde team finish 21-4 and runner-up for the state championship, Morgan is looking to use the summer to improve two key aspects of his game.

“Right now, I need to get physically stronger and work on my ball handling,” Morgan said. “My dad and I work on my ball handling everyday. Some days we don’t shoot, we just ball handle. And then we go work on my strength.”

(Photo credit: Rivals.com)

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  • CraiginOR

    I never said we didn't have talented players . What I did say is “variety”, we had guys who would never be allowed to play at UNC, UCLA etc and I mentioned a few of them above. IU teams always have had the talent blended with the chrisma of kids who give rise to statements like “it's Indiana”. Bob did it with talent and he did it with a variety of players with far different skill levels. Hell, Bob coached Ewe Blab into the NBA. Benson was punched out by Kareem in his first game and was never the same, May never made any waves with his bad knees. Zeke was a great NBA player but I never said we didn't have players who were “drafted” , I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    “IU fans don't have “disdain for 5 star recruits” we just admire the the coaches who put together a team with a variety of players.” IU can point proudly to players like Joe Hillman etc…”

    I never said we won without talent.
    I never said we didn't have players who were drafted by the NBA.
    I did say were won with a variety of players.
    I did say Bob was more coach than recruiter like Dean Smith.
    I did say Bob won at West Point with coaching underachievers to point out his coaching over recruiting.

    I am sorry if I didn't inject my end of the debate with proper humor I just don't believe you understand what the history of Indiana basketball is all about. Watch “Hoosiers” a few more times. GO IU!

  • CraiginOR

    I never said we didn't have talented players . What I did say is “variety”, we had guys who would never be allowed to play at UNC, UCLA etc and I mentioned a few of them above. IU teams always have had the talent blended with the chrisma of kids who give rise to statements like “it's Indiana”. Bob did it with talent and he did it with a variety of players with far different skill levels. Hell, Bob coached Ewe Blab into the NBA. Benson was punched out by Kareem in his first game and was never the same, May never made any waves with his bad knees. Zeke was a great NBA player but I never said we didn't have players who were “drafted” , I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    “IU fans don't have “disdain for 5 star recruits” we just admire the the coaches who put together a team with a variety of players.” IU can point proudly to players like Joe Hillman etc…”

    I never said we won without talent.
    I never said we didn't have players who were drafted by the NBA.
    I did say were won with a variety of players.
    I did say Bob was more coach than recruiter like Dean Smith.
    I did say Bob won at West Point with coaching underachievers to point out his coaching over recruiting.

    I am sorry if I didn't inject my end of the debate with proper humor I just don't believe you understand what the history of Indiana basketball is all about. Watch “Hoosiers” a few more times. GO IU!

  • CraiginOR

    I never said we didn't have talented players . What I did say is “variety”, we had guys who would never be allowed to play at UNC, UCLA etc and I mentioned a few of them above. IU teams always have had the talent blended with the chrisma of kids who give rise to statements like “it's Indiana”. Bob did it with talent and he did it with a variety of players with far different skill levels. Hell, Bob coached Ewe Blab into the NBA. Benson was punched out by Kareem in his first game and was never the same, May never made any waves with his bad knees. Zeke was a great NBA player but I never said we didn't have players who were “drafted” , I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    “IU fans don't have “disdain for 5 star recruits” we just admire the the coaches who put together a team with a variety of players.” IU can point proudly to players like Joe Hillman etc…”

    I never said we won without talent.
    I never said we didn't have players who were drafted by the NBA.
    I did say were won with a variety of players.
    I did say Bob was more coach than recruiter like Dean Smith.
    I did say Bob won at West Point with coaching underachievers to point out his coaching over recruiting.

    I am sorry if I didn't inject my end of the debate with proper humor I just don't believe you understand what the history of Indiana basketball is all about. Watch “Hoosiers” a few more times. GO IU!

  • CraiginOR

    I never said we didn't have talented players . What I did say is “variety”, we had guys who would never be allowed to play at UNC, UCLA etc and I mentioned a few of them above. IU teams always have had the talent blended with the chrisma of kids who give rise to statements like “it's Indiana”. Bob did it with talent and he did it with a variety of players with far different skill levels. Hell, Bob coached Ewe Blab into the NBA. Benson was punched out by Kareem in his first game and was never the same, May never made any waves with his bad knees. Zeke was a great NBA player but I never said we didn't have players who were “drafted” , I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    “IU fans don't have “disdain for 5 star recruits” we just admire the the coaches who put together a team with a variety of players.” IU can point proudly to players like Joe Hillman etc…”

    I never said we won without talent.
    I never said we didn't have players who were drafted by the NBA.
    I did say were won with a variety of players.
    I did say Bob was more coach than recruiter like Dean Smith.
    I did say Bob won at West Point with coaching underachievers to point out his coaching over recruiting.

    I am sorry if I didn't inject my end of the debate with proper humor I just don't believe you understand what the history of Indiana basketball is all about. Watch “Hoosiers” a few more times. GO IU!

  • CraiginOR

    I never said we didn't have talented players . What I did say is “variety”, we had guys who would never be allowed to play at UNC, UCLA etc and I mentioned a few of them above. IU teams always have had the talent blended with the chrisma of kids who give rise to statements like “it's Indiana”. Bob did it with talent and he did it with a variety of players with far different skill levels. Hell, Bob coached Ewe Blab into the NBA. Benson was punched out by Kareem in his first game and was never the same, May never made any waves with his bad knees. Zeke was a great NBA player but I never said we didn't have players who were “drafted” , I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    “IU fans don't have “disdain for 5 star recruits” we just admire the the coaches who put together a team with a variety of players.” IU can point proudly to players like Joe Hillman etc…”

    I never said we won without talent.
    I never said we didn't have players who were drafted by the NBA.
    I did say were won with a variety of players.
    I did say Bob was more coach than recruiter like Dean Smith.
    I did say Bob won at West Point with coaching underachievers to point out his coaching over recruiting.

    I am sorry if I didn't inject my end of the debate with proper humor I just don't believe you understand what the history of Indiana basketball is all about. Watch “Hoosiers” a few more times. GO IU!

  • CraiginOR

    I never said we didn't have talented players . What I did say is “variety”, we had guys who would never be allowed to play at UNC, UCLA etc and I mentioned a few of them above. IU teams always have had the talent blended with the chrisma of kids who give rise to statements like “it's Indiana”. Bob did it with talent and he did it with a variety of players with far different skill levels. Hell, Bob coached Ewe Blab into the NBA. Benson was punched out by Kareem in his first game and was never the same, May never made any waves with his bad knees. Zeke was a great NBA player but I never said we didn't have players who were “drafted” , I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    “IU fans don't have “disdain for 5 star recruits” we just admire the the coaches who put together a team with a variety of players.” IU can point proudly to players like Joe Hillman etc…”

    I never said we won without talent.
    I never said we didn't have players who were drafted by the NBA.
    I did say were won with a variety of players.
    I did say Bob was more coach than recruiter like Dean Smith.
    I did say Bob won at West Point with coaching underachievers to point out his coaching over recruiting.

    I am sorry if I didn't inject my end of the debate with proper humor I just don't believe you understand what the history of Indiana basketball is all about. Watch “Hoosiers” a few more times. GO IU!

  • BGleas

    After reading back, this is the most ridiculous argument. We're obviously both right and both wrong.

    I'm right in that Knights best teams were just (or at least damn close) as talented as Dean Smith's or Roy Williams. You're right that Knight did have a bunch of good solid role players on those teams that he utilized well. I did not mean to indicate that those guys didn't exist. Guys you pointed out like Hillman and Leary.

    I hate that this discussion has made me defend Carolina, but Smith's teams had plenty of those role players too, Serge Swicker anyone? No coach can win without role players.

    Just to close, you've quoted my “disdain for 5 star recruits” line numerous times in this thread, but in my first response to you I apologized you saying that and indicated that “disdain” was the wrong word.

    By the way, I'm very well aware of the history of Indiana basketball, thank you very much.

  • BGleas

    After reading back, this is the most ridiculous argument. We're obviously both right and both wrong.

    I'm right in that Knights best teams were just (or at least damn close) as talented as Dean Smith's or Roy Williams. You're right that Knight did have a bunch of good solid role players on those teams that he utilized well. I did not mean to indicate that those guys didn't exist. Guys you pointed out like Hillman and Leary.

    I hate that this discussion has made me defend Carolina, but Smith's teams had plenty of those role players too, Serge Swicker anyone? No coach can win without role players.

    Just to close, you've quoted my “disdain for 5 star recruits” line numerous times in this thread, but in my first response to you I apologized you saying that and indicated that “disdain” was the wrong word.

    By the way, I'm very well aware of the history of Indiana basketball, thank you very much.

  • BGleas

    After reading back, this is the most ridiculous argument. We're obviously both right and both wrong.

    I'm right in that Knights best teams were just (or at least damn close) as talented as Dean Smith's or Roy Williams. You're right that Knight did have a bunch of good solid role players on those teams that he utilized well. I did not mean to indicate that those guys didn't exist. Guys you pointed out like Hillman and Leary.

    I hate that this discussion has made me defend Carolina, but Smith's teams had plenty of those role players too, Serge Swicker anyone? No coach can win without role players.

    Just to close, you've quoted my “disdain for 5 star recruits” line numerous times in this thread, but in my first response to you I apologized you saying that and indicated that “disdain” was the wrong word.

    By the way, I'm very well aware of the history of Indiana basketball, thank you very much.

  • BGleas

    After reading back, this is the most ridiculous argument. We're obviously both right and both wrong.

    I'm right in that Knights best teams were just (or at least damn close) as talented as Dean Smith's or Roy Williams. You're right that Knight did have a bunch of good solid role players on those teams that he utilized well. I did not mean to indicate that those guys didn't exist. Guys you pointed out like Hillman and Leary.

    I hate that this discussion has made me defend Carolina, but Smith's teams had plenty of those role players too, Serge Swicker anyone? No coach can win without role players.

    Just to close, you've quoted my “disdain for 5 star recruits” line numerous times in this thread, but in my first response to you I apologized you saying that and indicated that “disdain” was the wrong word.

    By the way, I'm very well aware of the history of Indiana basketball, thank you very much.

  • BGleas

    After reading back, this is the most ridiculous argument. We're obviously both right and both wrong.

    I'm right in that Knights best teams were just (or at least damn close) as talented as Dean Smith's or Roy Williams. You're right that Knight did have a bunch of good solid role players on those teams that he utilized well. I did not mean to indicate that those guys didn't exist. Guys you pointed out like Hillman and Leary.

    I hate that this discussion has made me defend Carolina, but Smith's teams had plenty of those role players too, Serge Swicker anyone? No coach can win without role players.

    Just to close, you've quoted my “disdain for 5 star recruits” line numerous times in this thread, but in my first response to you I apologized you saying that and indicated that “disdain” was the wrong word.

    By the way, I'm very well aware of the history of Indiana basketball, thank you very much.

  • BGleas

    After reading back, this is the most ridiculous argument. We're obviously both right and both wrong.

    I'm right in that Knights best teams were just (or at least damn close) as talented as Dean Smith's or Roy Williams. You're right that Knight did have a bunch of good solid role players on those teams that he utilized well. I did not mean to indicate that those guys didn't exist. Guys you pointed out like Hillman and Leary.

    I hate that this discussion has made me defend Carolina, but Smith's teams had plenty of those role players too, Serge Swicker anyone? No coach can win without role players.

    Just to close, you've quoted my “disdain for 5 star recruits” line numerous times in this thread, but in my first response to you I apologized you saying that and indicated that “disdain” was the wrong word.

    By the way, I'm very well aware of the history of Indiana basketball, thank you very much.

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas. Carolina has had FIVE McDonald's All Americans to every ONE IU has had….”How about we discuss some facts for once”GO IU!

    http://www.mcdonaldsallamerican.com/Alumni_Boys

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas. Carolina has had FIVE McDonald's All Americans to every ONE IU has had….”How about we discuss some facts for once”GO IU!

    http://www.mcdonaldsallamerican.com/Alumni_Boys

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas. Carolina has had FIVE McDonald's All Americans to every ONE IU has had….”How about we discuss some facts for once”GO IU!

    http://www.mcdonaldsallamerican.com/Alumni_Boys

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas. Carolina has had FIVE McDonald's All Americans to every ONE IU has had….”How about we discuss some facts for once”GO IU!

    http://www.mcdonaldsallamerican.com/Alumni_Boys

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas. Carolina has had FIVE McDonald's All Americans to every ONE IU has had….”How about we discuss some facts for once”GO IU!

    http://www.mcdonaldsallamerican.com/Alumni_Boys

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas. Carolina has had FIVE McDonald's All Americans to every ONE IU has had….”How about we discuss some facts for once”GO IU!

    http://www.mcdonaldsallamerican.com/Alumni_Boys

  • BGleas

    Craig buddy, what did I say to cause you to “throw a…weee”

    I've been discussing Knights best teams, not his entire career. I'm well aware that UNC has had more McDonald's AA, but my point from the start (beginning to wonder if you read anything other than your own posts) has been people (You) act like Knights best teams weren't extremely talented with great players and recruits, that it was all coaching.

    You questioned my knowledge of Indiana basketball, I'm questioning your knowledge of any basketball other than Indiana. Go IU.

  • BGleas

    Craig buddy, what did I say to cause you to “throw a…weee”

    I've been discussing Knights best teams, not his entire career. I'm well aware that UNC has had more McDonald's AA, but my point from the start (beginning to wonder if you read anything other than your own posts) has been people (You) act like Knights best teams weren't extremely talented with great players and recruits, that it was all coaching.

    You questioned my knowledge of Indiana basketball, I'm questioning your knowledge of any basketball other than Indiana. Go IU.

  • BGleas

    Craig buddy, what did I say to cause you to “throw a…weee”

    I've been discussing Knights best teams, not his entire career. I'm well aware that UNC has had more McDonald's AA, but my point from the start (beginning to wonder if you read anything other than your own posts) has been people (You) act like Knights best teams weren't extremely talented with great players and recruits, that it was all coaching.

    You questioned my knowledge of Indiana basketball, I'm questioning your knowledge of any basketball other than Indiana. Go IU.

  • BGleas

    Craig buddy, what did I say to cause you to “throw a…weee”

    I've been discussing Knights best teams, not his entire career. I'm well aware that UNC has had more McDonald's AA, but my point from the start (beginning to wonder if you read anything other than your own posts) has been people (You) act like Knights best teams weren't extremely talented with great players and recruits, that it was all coaching.

    You questioned my knowledge of Indiana basketball, I'm questioning your knowledge of any basketball other than Indiana. Go IU.

  • BGleas

    Craig buddy, what did I say to cause you to “throw a…weee”

    I've been discussing Knights best teams, not his entire career. I'm well aware that UNC has had more McDonald's AA, but my point from the start (beginning to wonder if you read anything other than your own posts) has been people (You) act like Knights best teams weren't extremely talented with great players and recruits, that it was all coaching.

    You questioned my knowledge of Indiana basketball, I'm questioning your knowledge of any basketball other than Indiana. Go IU.

  • BGleas

    Craig buddy, what did I say to cause you to “throw a…weee”

    I've been discussing Knights best teams, not his entire career. I'm well aware that UNC has had more McDonald's AA, but my point from the start (beginning to wonder if you read anything other than your own posts) has been people (You) act like Knights best teams weren't extremely talented with great players and recruits, that it was all coaching.

    You questioned my knowledge of Indiana basketball, I'm questioning your knowledge of any basketball other than Indiana. Go IU.

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, sorry to see your argument has crumbled into personal attacks. Peace. Let me say again

    I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    I gave Knight's coaching at West Point as an example of his ability to coach underachievers

    I gave Carolina's 5 to 1 advantage recruiting McDonald's All Americans as another example. I would remind you that there are only 5 players on the court for each teamGO IU!! keep your sense of homor my hoosier friend.

    Further, look up Bob's record against Smith

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, sorry to see your argument has crumbled into personal attacks. Peace. Let me say again

    I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    I gave Knight's coaching at West Point as an example of his ability to coach underachievers

    I gave Carolina's 5 to 1 advantage recruiting McDonald's All Americans as another example. I would remind you that there are only 5 players on the court for each teamGO IU!! keep your sense of humor my hoosier friend.

    Further, look up Bob's record against Smith

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, sorry to see your argument has crumbled into personal attacks. Peace. Let me say again

    I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    I gave Knight's coaching at West Point as an example of his ability to coach underachievers

    I gave Carolina's 5 to 1 advantage recruiting McDonald's All Americans as another example. I would remind you that there are only 5 players on the court for each teamGO IU!! keep your sense of humor my hoosier friend.

    Further, look up Bob's record against Smith

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, sorry to see your argument has crumbled into personal attacks. Peace. Let me say again

    I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    I gave Knight's coaching at West Point as an example of his ability to coach underachievers

    I gave Carolina's 5 to 1 advantage recruiting McDonald's All Americans as another example. I would remind you that there are only 5 players on the court for each teamGO IU!! keep your sense of humor my hoosier friend.

    Further, look up Bob's record against Smith

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, sorry to see your argument has crumbled into personal attacks. Peace. Let me say again

    I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    I gave Knight's coaching at West Point as an example of his ability to coach underachievers

    I gave Carolina's 5 to 1 advantage recruiting McDonald's All Americans as another example. I would remind you that there are only 5 players on the court for each teamGO IU!! keep your sense of humor my hoosier friend.

    Further, look up Bob's record against Smith

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, sorry to see your argument has crumbled into personal attacks. Peace. Let me say again

    I never said we didn't have talent. I argued that Bob was more coach than recruiter (like Dean Smith) and that we always had room for kids who were never going to be drafted into the NBA.

    I gave Knight's coaching at West Point as an example of his ability to coach underachievers

    I gave Carolina's 5 to 1 advantage recruiting McDonald's All Americans as another example. I would remind you that there are only 5 players on the court for each teamGO IU!! keep your sense of humor my hoosier friend.

    Further, look up Bob's record against Smith

  • BGleas

    Craig,

    Personal attacks began with you buddy. I tried to end it by pointing out that we both obviously have points that are correct in this discussion, but you only want to read your own posts and ignore what others say. I apologized for using the word “disdain” but you ignored that too. In another thread I even commented on how much I agreed with you on another point, but you ignored that too. So, don't point at me as the one with personal attacks, I tried to make nice and end the discussion by pointing out that we both have legit points.

    ONCE AGAIN, I was only discussing Knight's best teams, not his entire career. He did a great job with some of his other teams that weren't as talented. You're obviously one of those Knight loyalists that can't admit that he didn't walk on water. I love Knight, but am able to step back and look at reality. Knight had tons of talent on his title teams, and yes he had role players that he coached up as well. Yes UNC has had tons of talent, but Dean Smith was also a great coach that had role players too.

  • BGleas

    Craig,

    Personal attacks began with you buddy. I tried to end it by pointing out that we both obviously have points that are correct in this discussion, but you only want to read your own posts and ignore what others say. I apologized for using the word “disdain” but you ignored that too. In another thread I even commented on how much I agreed with you on another point, but you ignored that too. So, don't point at me as the one with personal attacks, I tried to make nice and end the discussion by pointing out that we both have legit points.

    ONCE AGAIN, I was only discussing Knight's best teams, not his entire career. He did a great job with some of his other teams that weren't as talented. You're obviously one of those Knight loyalists that can't admit that he didn't walk on water. I love Knight, but am able to step back and look at reality. Knight had tons of talent on his title teams, and yes he had role players that he coached up as well. Yes UNC has had tons of talent, but Dean Smith was also a great coach that had role players too.

  • BGleas

    Craig,

    Personal attacks began with you buddy. I tried to end it by pointing out that we both obviously have points that are correct in this discussion, but you only want to read your own posts and ignore what others say. I apologized for using the word “disdain” but you ignored that too. In another thread I even commented on how much I agreed with you on another point, but you ignored that too. So, don't point at me as the one with personal attacks, I tried to make nice and end the discussion by pointing out that we both have legit points.

    ONCE AGAIN, I was only discussing Knight's best teams, not his entire career. He did a great job with some of his other teams that weren't as talented. You're obviously one of those Knight loyalists that can't admit that he didn't walk on water. I love Knight, but am able to step back and look at reality. Knight had tons of talent on his title teams, and yes he had role players that he coached up as well. Yes UNC has had tons of talent, but Dean Smith was also a great coach that had role players too.

  • BGleas

    Craig,

    Personal attacks began with you buddy. I tried to end it by pointing out that we both obviously have points that are correct in this discussion, but you only want to read your own posts and ignore what others say. I apologized for using the word “disdain” but you ignored that too. In another thread I even commented on how much I agreed with you on another point, but you ignored that too. So, don't point at me as the one with personal attacks, I tried to make nice and end the discussion by pointing out that we both have legit points.

    ONCE AGAIN, I was only discussing Knight's best teams, not his entire career. He did a great job with some of his other teams that weren't as talented. You're obviously one of those Knight loyalists that can't admit that he didn't walk on water. I love Knight, but am able to step back and look at reality. Knight had tons of talent on his title teams, and yes he had role players that he coached up as well. Yes UNC has had tons of talent, but Dean Smith was also a great coach that had role players too.

  • BGleas

    Craig,

    Personal attacks began with you buddy. I tried to end it by pointing out that we both obviously have points that are correct in this discussion, but you only want to read your own posts and ignore what others say. I apologized for using the word “disdain” but you ignored that too. In another thread I even commented on how much I agreed with you on another point, but you ignored that too. So, don't point at me as the one with personal attacks, I tried to make nice and end the discussion by pointing out that we both have legit points.

    ONCE AGAIN, I was only discussing Knight's best teams, not his entire career. He did a great job with some of his other teams that weren't as talented. You're obviously one of those Knight loyalists that can't admit that he didn't walk on water. I love Knight, but am able to step back and look at reality. Knight had tons of talent on his title teams, and yes he had role players that he coached up as well. Yes UNC has had tons of talent, but Dean Smith was also a great coach that had role players too.

  • BGleas

    Craig,

    Personal attacks began with you buddy. I tried to end it by pointing out that we both obviously have points that are correct in this discussion, but you only want to read your own posts and ignore what others say. I apologized for using the word “disdain” but you ignored that too. In another thread I even commented on how much I agreed with you on another point, but you ignored that too. So, don't point at me as the one with personal attacks, I tried to make nice and end the discussion by pointing out that we both have legit points.

    ONCE AGAIN, I was only discussing Knight's best teams, not his entire career. He did a great job with some of his other teams that weren't as talented. You're obviously one of those Knight loyalists that can't admit that he didn't walk on water. I love Knight, but am able to step back and look at reality. Knight had tons of talent on his title teams, and yes he had role players that he coached up as well. Yes UNC has had tons of talent, but Dean Smith was also a great coach that had role players too.

  • CraiginOR

    SGleas, I never had a problem with your use of “disdain” and only used it in the quote of your comment, ONCE AGAIN I was pointing out that IU fans have always appreciated the fact that players like Joe Hillman were coached-up into lots of minutes of playing time. I never said IU didn't have talent. I never said Dean Smith couldn't coach only that he was more of a recruiter while BOB was more of a coach. I pointed to the 5 to 1 ratio of UNC recruiting McDonald's AA as an example. Bob was the youngest coach in Division 1 when he was at West Point and was a great coach, his later years took a lot of shine off his career. There were ( to me) two very distinct Bobs, the young ZBob who was great and I admired and the bitter, angry, violent coach who made me nervous each time he took the court. His behavior was that erratic. All I have tried to do is what we were taught in debate, counterpoint with facts. I apologize if your feelings were hurt by any of my comments. I never intended you to feel personally attacked. GO IU !

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, I never had a problem with your use of “disdain” and only used it in the quote of your comment, ONCE AGAIN I was pointing out that IU fans have always appreciated the fact that players like Joe Hillman were coached-up into lots of minutes of playing time. I never said IU didn't have talent. I never said Dean Smith couldn't coach only that he was more of a recruiter while BOB was more of a coach. I pointed to the 5 to 1 ratio of UNC recruiting McDonald's AA as an example. Bob was the youngest coach in Division 1 when he was at West Point and was a great coach, his later years took a lot of shine off his career. There were ( to me) two very distinct Bobs, the young ZBob who was great and I admired and the bitter, angry, violent coach who made me nervous each time he took the court. His behavior was that erratic. All I have tried to do is what we were taught in debate, counterpoint with facts. I apologize if your feelings were hurt by any of my comments. I never intended you to feel personally attacked. GO IU !

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, I never had a problem with your use of “disdain” and only used it in the quote of your comment, ONCE AGAIN I was pointing out that IU fans have always appreciated the fact that players like Joe Hillman were coached-up into lots of minutes of playing time. I never said IU didn't have talent. I never said Dean Smith couldn't coach only that he was more of a recruiter while BOB was more of a coach. I pointed to the 5 to 1 ratio of UNC recruiting McDonald's AA as an example. Bob was the youngest coach in Division 1 when he was at West Point and was a great coach, his later years took a lot of shine off his career. There were ( to me) two very distinct Bobs, the young ZBob who was great and I admired and the bitter, angry, violent coach who made me nervous each time he took the court. His behavior was that erratic. All I have tried to do is what we were taught in debate, counterpoint with facts. I apologize if your feelings were hurt by any of my comments. I never intended you to feel personally attacked. GO IU !

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, I never had a problem with your use of “disdain” and only used it in the quote of your comment, ONCE AGAIN I was pointing out that IU fans have always appreciated the fact that players like Joe Hillman were coached-up into lots of minutes of playing time. I never said IU didn't have talent. I never said Dean Smith couldn't coach only that he was more of a recruiter while BOB was more of a coach. I pointed to the 5 to 1 ratio of UNC recruiting McDonald's AA as an example. Bob was the youngest coach in Division 1 when he was at West Point and was a great coach, his later years took a lot of shine off his career. There were ( to me) two very distinct Bobs, the young ZBob who was great and I admired and the bitter, angry, violent coach who made me nervous each time he took the court. His behavior was that erratic. All I have tried to do is what we were taught in debate, counterpoint with facts. I apologize if your feelings were hurt by any of my comments. I never intended you to feel personally attacked. GO IU !

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, I never had a problem with your use of “disdain” and only used it in the quote of your comment, ONCE AGAIN I was pointing out that IU fans have always appreciated the fact that players like Joe Hillman were coached-up into lots of minutes of playing time. I never said IU didn't have talent. I never said Dean Smith couldn't coach only that he was more of a recruiter while BOB was more of a coach. I pointed to the 5 to 1 ratio of UNC recruiting McDonald's AA as an example. Bob was the youngest coach in Division 1 when he was at West Point and was a great coach, his later years took a lot of shine off his career. There were ( to me) two very distinct Bobs, the young ZBob who was great and I admired and the bitter, angry, violent coach who made me nervous each time he took the court. His behavior was that erratic. All I have tried to do is what we were taught in debate, counterpoint with facts. I apologize if your feelings were hurt by any of my comments. I never intended you to feel personally attacked. GO IU !

  • CraiginOR

    BGleas, I never had a problem with your use of “disdain” and only used it in the quote of your comment, ONCE AGAIN I was pointing out that IU fans have always appreciated the fact that players like Joe Hillman were coached-up into lots of minutes of playing time. I never said IU didn't have talent. I never said Dean Smith couldn't coach only that he was more of a recruiter while BOB was more of a coach. I pointed to the 5 to 1 ratio of UNC recruiting McDonald's AA as an example. Bob was the youngest coach in Division 1 when he was at West Point and was a great coach, his later years took a lot of shine off his career. There were ( to me) two very distinct Bobs, the young ZBob who was great and I admired and the bitter, angry, violent coach who made me nervous each time he took the court. His behavior was that erratic. All I have tried to do is what we were taught in debate, counterpoint with facts. I apologize if your feelings were hurt by any of my comments. I never intended you to feel personally attacked. GO IU !

  • BGleas

    Good debate Craig, that's a great part of sports for fans! I believe we both made some good points and aren't even really that far apart.

    I look forward to continued debates, agreements and disagreements with you on this great site. Go IU! Can't wait to watch the team develop next year!

  • BGleas

    Good debate Craig, that's a great part of sports for fans! I believe we both made some good points and aren't even really that far apart.

    I look forward to continued debates, agreements and disagreements with you on this great site. Go IU! Can't wait to watch the team develop next year!

  • BGleas

    Good debate Craig, that's a great part of sports for fans! I believe we both made some good points and aren't even really that far apart.

    I look forward to continued debates, agreements and disagreements with you on this great site. Go IU! Can't wait to watch the team develop next year!

  • BGleas

    Good debate Craig, that's a great part of sports for fans! I believe we both made some good points and aren't even really that far apart.

    I look forward to continued debates, agreements and disagreements with you on this great site. Go IU! Can't wait to watch the team develop next year!

  • BGleas

    Good debate Craig, that's a great part of sports for fans! I believe we both made some good points and aren't even really that far apart.

    I look forward to continued debates, agreements and disagreements with you on this great site. Go IU! Can't wait to watch the team develop next year!

  • BGleas

    Good debate Craig, that's a great part of sports for fans! I believe we both made some good points and aren't even really that far apart.

    I look forward to continued debates, agreements and disagreements with you on this great site. Go IU! Can't wait to watch the team develop next year!

  • BGleas

    Good debate Craig, that's a great part of sports for fans! I believe we both made some good points and aren't even really that far apart.

    I look forward to continued debates, agreements and disagreements with you on this great site. Go IU! Can't wait to watch the team develop next year!