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So, about DeMarcus Cousins, Jeff Withey and the scholarship situation…

by Alex Bozich in Recruiting | December 15th, 2008

Believe it or not, from time to time, some of you email and ask us to address something in this very space. And that’s exactly what I’m going to do with an email I got early this evening from John, who asked about the possibility of Jeff Withey or DeMarcus Cousins (pictured) coming to IU and the scholarship situation beyond this year.

Let’s start with Withey and Cousins. Withey, a 7-0 freshman at Arizona, announced his intentions to transfer shortly after Lute Olsen’s resignation. Arizona initially refused the request, but granted permission last Tuesday. Shortly after being given his release, the San Diego native named a list of eight schools he would consider and IU was among the possibilities.

Cousins is the No. 2 player in the 2009 class and originally committed to UAB. (Cousins transferred this season to LeFlore, the same school that produced current Indiana guard Nick Williams.) After UAB refused to guarantee him a release if Mike Davis is removed as coach, Cousins decided to open his recruitment back up. According to a recent statement by LeFlore coach Otis Hughley, IU is one of many schools to inquire about Cousins.

Obviously, Tom Crean would be doing himself an injustice if he didn’t pursue a player like Withey or Cousins. It’s impossible to predict the decision of an 18 or 19 year-old kid, but it would seem unlikely that either kid will come to IU and it’s not because Indiana is over-signed by one already for the 2009 class. If a high caliber player wants to come to your program, you figure out a way to get it done. In Withey’s case, there are seven other schools he’ll consider and to my knowledge, he’s never been on campus in Bloomington.

In the case of Cousins, two things stand out. There is still a possibility he’ll end up at UAB if Mike Davis remains the coach beyond this season. If Cousins opts to go somewhere besides Birmingham, the school to beat is Memphis and John Calipari with no shortage of schools jockeying for position right behind the Tigers. If you haven’t noticed, beating out Memphis for a recruit is no small feat.

Onto the scholarship situation … This seems to be a hot topic. Yes, Indiana has already exceeded its allotted scholarship limit for next season. This leads to the following question being asked frequently (in several different wording variations) on just about every IU related Web site: With IU already at 14 scholarship players for next season, does that mean someone will have to leave and who is leaving?

The answers: Yes, someone will likely leave the program and nobody knows who. Anyone who says they know who is leaving at this point is speculating. And while the season is playing out, it’s not fair to throw out names of guys that might look elsewhere. But if you look at the incoming class and the depth at a couple of positions, it’s fairly easy to see who could be on the short end of the stick when it comes to PT.

  • Kelin Blab
    That is what my thoughts are on who may be asked to leave or who chooses to leave. Unfortunately this is college basketball and this is what we have to deal with, under these circumstances but it is what it is.....Sampson had kids leave when he came in.

    Good stuff

    And it may not be just ONE kid leaving or asked to leave..........
  • shootit
    IU would be hitting a new low if they told these players who were supposed to be beloved by the university, regardless of record, they no longer had a scholarship available.
  • ALH_00
    I totally agree.
  • AlumnInFL
    Some students and most fans forget, scholarships are not birth rights, nor are they promised for four years. Scholarships are one year renewable contracts. Scholarships are pulled all the time in lower tier sports and nobody hears about it (until you date some girl three years later who reminds you constantly how unfair her college coach was, and how the coach ruined her life. Not that I have experience). Sometimes you have to break hearts. It's worth breaking hearts for a 7 footer.
  • Taskmaster75
    I would be willing to pay any price to get either of these, especially Cousins. I really don't want to speculate who would leave. That would be unfair to the players who actually try but just don't have the talent. For now, let's see if they have any interest in the first place.
  • Any price? I wouldn't go that far.
  • dale11
    yeah, look how far that got us the last 2 years...
  • JerryCT
    Actually I think it hurts us in the long run with recruiting if DO NOT to stick by our commitments. Word travels fast in basketball recruiting and this will be used against us by other coaches. I can hear it now " so how sure are you they will keep you on scholarship if a better player appears to show up on their radar ?". I think this is very dangerous.

    I would prefer other options to free up space and I think there are a few options.

    After watching the video of Withey I think he is at a level we don't have this year or next year or have had in many years. Very impressive movement for 7' . The video showed alot of defense too which I liked alot compared to all of these open jump shot and uncontested dunk videos. It is truly worth a big time effort to figure this out.
  • MikeinNC
    I would think this could be a slippery slope...I think everyone realizes we are in a huge rebuilding situation so things could be a little more fluid with regards to scholarships, but by the same token you don't want to get the reputation that commitments get reneged all the time in your program...tricky. Do you think Crean was upfront with some of these kids that their scholarship situation could be tenuous in a year or two?
  • Guest
    I know that Withey's sister used to attend school at IU and just recently moved to Arizona to be around her family. I also know that she is planning on returning to IU in the summer, so I find it very interesting that IU is on his list of possibilities.
  • Taskmaster75
    Ok ok, i think i went a bit too far saying i would pay any price. Still, would be very nice to grab either of these 2. Just think of the depth we would have with Pritchard, Capo, Elston, Withey/Cousins. (Notice I don't have Bawa's name there, as he is the most shaky comittment IU probably has)
  • Kelin Blab
    I believe Bawa signed though so he is committed.
  • plane1972
    I was intrigued by the comment on rivals or scout where they said Cousins may still play for Davis, but not at UAB. What does that mean? Is Davis on the the hot seat? I can't imagine that just yet. Does he have his eye on another program? If so, a Cousins commitment would be excellent leverage to push his name to the top of a list?
  • BobbyDigital
    I think Alabama's coach is on the hot seat. With Davis's ties (and certainly if he has Cousins in tow) his name would be on the short list.
  • josh
    This might be a whole new topic, but why would a recruit of this caliber be at all interested in playing in Birmingham, with the limited exposure available at UAB, playing for a guy with limited success in player development? And that's not a personal knock on Mike D., but I just don't get it.... ?
  • cooper
    I think a few people will leave too. I think we need to watch out on the recruiting end as far as recruiting too many stars. remember there is only one basketball to go around and only one person can score each possession. we already have a couple me first scorers coming in (which we desperately need), to add two more may lead to some chemistry issues or more transfers. if we can get them and they fit the team i'm all for it. I think the most important thing is to find system players not necessarily all stars...see Patriots vs. Cowboys
  • Taskmaster75
    I realize that Kevin that he did sign, but completely ignoring his own team's midnight madness is perplexing. He went to the OSU MM. I'm not saying he is going to leave. I know as much as you do, but if someone would ask for a release, it would be him?
  • Muniru is solid with Indiana. The midnight madness trip to Oklahoma State was weeks before he signed with IU. At that time, he wasn't sure if he would be signing in the fall or the spring, so he wanted to check out Oklahoma State. Can't blame the kid for keeping his options open, it's a big decision.
  • Hardwood83
    Doesn't appear Withey has much interest in IU from the articles I've seen. He mentions Kansas & Texas and is enrolling for the second semester, so appears he's going to decide quickly. Not sure how likely Cousins is either- but Crean needs to balance bringing in the best players available without selling the programs soul. A couple of players likely will leave but I would hate to think they'd be pushed out. Not that anyone is guaranteed a roster spot but they are all here because Indiana asked them to be and are doing what's asked of them. Loyalty goes both ways.
  • Disco_Briscoe
    IF and that's a big IF one of those two want to come to IU then I think there are three options for another scholarship(s) not in any order. I think Jobe loses his since is most undeserving of a scholarship, Rivers gives his up since can pay the way and bring in a stud to make his 2 years playing competitive, and someone walks on their own for more PT. Who knows what can/will happen...

    Can we get an update on kids being considered for 2010?
  • Disco,

    We've had a couple of requests for a 2010 update and hope to have something in the next couple of days.
  • tberry
    Rivers at point next year with Hulls as his partner or replacement when he arrives. Therefore, I think Jones may opt for somewhere else so he will get more PT.
  • JerryCT
    Geez I hope not. Hulls will have the same problems making the transition to college from HS that we see this year ie defense and TO's.

    Rivers and Jones are the best bets for the top 2 PG's.
  • Jerry,

    Just wondering if you've watched Jordan play in person? He is a really, really good player and he's very intelligent on the court. The kid flat out hustles all of the time and is an excellent shooter and ball handler. I'm not saying he's going to come in and play a lot right away, but to go ahead and pencil in Rivers and Jones ahead of him is premature.
  • JerryCT
    No I have not and I am sure he is very good especially on offense. My point is more about how we all underestimate the difficulty in transitioning the HS game to college. Sorry I gave the impression I am writing him off because I am not.

    He will face man pressure like never before by bigger and maybe quicker guys. He will have much tighter spaces and time windows to deliver passes. He will need to stop guys like Teague, Pargo , AJ Price at the point of attack and in open court.

    I have seen Rivers alot here in the Big East country. We know Rivers can defend Price et al Big East PG's becasue he has.

    It is my hope that Jones is a dramatically better player by the end of the season than he is now and will have made the HS to college changes in his game. This to me gives him the edge over Hulls especially early in the season
  • Tyce Carmichael
    I have no idea what the rules are on this sort of thing, but what about the possibility of saving a scholarship on Hulls by allowing him to come to school on academic scholarship? It is my understanding that he is a very good student and could get school paid in full based on academics, this would give IU a great player for free, and a much needed scholarship. Also, there has been speculation that we might free one up by the Rivers family agreeing to pay Jeremiahs tuition based on their secure financial position. This would also free up a scholarship and allow us to keep some much needed players.
  • BK
    This doens't make sense to me. if Rivers were to pay his own way why wouldn't he have done that this year and played?
  • et_sage
    Dude,

    The NCAA decides if you play after transferring - it is not about scholarship or pay your own way. Rivers MUST sit out one year.

    Sage
  • Well I think that scholly players may not like the fact that Moore, a walk on, is getting all the PT. I think he is actually the best point we have. I think, even before this recruiting hype and need for scholarships, that some players will look elsewhere anyway.
  • iuoiu
    OK, so the guy originally wants to go to UAB, but then balks when they don't guarantee MD will be there for his time in college. So he goes to Arizona and transfers as soon as Lute announces he's retiring. Sounds like a high maintenance problem to me. I understand wanting to play for a coach, but come on. You cant run every time your "guy" is not in charge anymore. Talent and size is one thing, but I want kids who want to play for INDIANA, not for whoever our current coach is.
  • Uncle Joey
    sadly, that's how most players think in college basketball these days. the days of playing for a SCHOOL are over.

    get used to it.
  • You're mixing the stories of two different players. Cousins in the kid that wants to play for Mike Davis at UAB and Whithey is the kid that is at Arizona and asked for his release when Lute retired.
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