So, about DeMarcus Cousins, Jeff Withey and the scholarship situation…

  • 12/15/2008 7:28 pm in

Believe it or not, from time to time, some of you email and ask us to address something in this very space. And that’s exactly what I’m going to do with an email I got early this evening from John, who asked about the possibility of Jeff Withey or DeMarcus Cousins (pictured) coming to IU and the scholarship situation beyond this year.

Let’s start with Withey and Cousins. Withey, a 7-0 freshman at Arizona, announced his intentions to transfer shortly after Lute Olsen’s resignation. Arizona initially refused the request, but granted permission last Tuesday. Shortly after being given his release, the San Diego native named a list of eight schools he would consider and IU was among the possibilities.

Cousins is the No. 2 player in the 2009 class and originally committed to UAB. (Cousins transferred this season to LeFlore, the same school that produced current Indiana guard Nick Williams.) After UAB refused to guarantee him a release if Mike Davis is removed as coach, Cousins decided to open his recruitment back up. According to a recent statement by LeFlore coach Otis Hughley, IU is one of many schools to inquire about Cousins.

Obviously, Tom Crean would be doing himself an injustice if he didn’t pursue a player like Withey or Cousins. It’s impossible to predict the decision of an 18 or 19 year-old kid, but it would seem unlikely that either kid will come to IU and it’s not because Indiana is over-signed by one already for the 2009 class. If a high caliber player wants to come to your program, you figure out a way to get it done. In Withey’s case, there are seven other schools he’ll consider and to my knowledge, he’s never been on campus in Bloomington.

In the case of Cousins, two things stand out. There is still a possibility he’ll end up at UAB if Mike Davis remains the coach beyond this season. If Cousins opts to go somewhere besides Birmingham, the school to beat is Memphis and John Calipari with no shortage of schools jockeying for position right behind the Tigers. If you haven’t noticed, beating out Memphis for a recruit is no small feat.

Onto the scholarship situation … This seems to be a hot topic. Yes, Indiana has already exceeded its allotted scholarship limit for next season. This leads to the following question being asked frequently (in several different wording variations) on just about every IU related Web site: With IU already at 14 scholarship players for next season, does that mean someone will have to leave and who is leaving?

The answers: Yes, someone will likely leave the program and nobody knows who. Anyone who says they know who is leaving at this point is speculating. And while the season is playing out, it’s not fair to throw out names of guys that might look elsewhere. But if you look at the incoming class and the depth at a couple of positions, it’s fairly easy to see who could be on the short end of the stick when it comes to PT.

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  • Disco_Briscoe

    IF and that's a big IF one of those two want to come to IU then I think there are three options for another scholarship(s) not in any order. I think Jobe loses his since is most undeserving of a scholarship, Rivers gives his up since can pay the way and bring in a stud to make his 2 years playing competitive, and someone walks on their own for more PT. Who knows what can/will happen…

    Can we get an update on kids being considered for 2010?

  • Disco_Briscoe

    IF and that's a big IF one of those two want to come to IU then I think there are three options for another scholarship(s) not in any order. I think Jobe loses his since is most undeserving of a scholarship, Rivers gives his up since can pay the way and bring in a stud to make his 2 years playing competitive, and someone walks on their own for more PT. Who knows what can/will happen…

    Can we get an update on kids being considered for 2010?

  • Disco_Briscoe

    IF and that's a big IF one of those two want to come to IU then I think there are three options for another scholarship(s) not in any order. I think Jobe loses his since is most undeserving of a scholarship, Rivers gives his up since can pay the way and bring in a stud to make his 2 years playing competitive, and someone walks on their own for more PT. Who knows what can/will happen…

    Can we get an update on kids being considered for 2010?

  • tberry

    Rivers at point next year with Hulls as his partner or replacement when he arrives. Therefore, I think Jones may opt for somewhere else so he will get more PT.

  • tberry

    Rivers at point next year with Hulls as his partner or replacement when he arrives. Therefore, I think Jones may opt for somewhere else so he will get more PT.

  • tberry

    Rivers at point next year with Hulls as his partner or replacement when he arrives. Therefore, I think Jones may opt for somewhere else so he will get more PT.

  • Disco,

    We've had a couple of requests for a 2010 update and hope to have something in the next couple of days.

  • Disco,

    We've had a couple of requests for a 2010 update and hope to have something in the next couple of days.

  • Disco,

    We've had a couple of requests for a 2010 update and hope to have something in the next couple of days.

  • JerryCT

    Geez I hope not. Hulls will have the same problems making the transition to college from HS that we see this year ie defense and TO's.

    Rivers and Jones are the best bets for the top 2 PG's.

  • JerryCT

    Geez I hope not. Hulls will have the same problems making the transition to college from HS that we see this year ie defense and TO's.

    Rivers and Jones are the best bets for the top 2 PG's.

  • JerryCT

    Geez I hope not. Hulls will have the same problems making the transition to college from HS that we see this year ie defense and TO's.

    Rivers and Jones are the best bets for the top 2 PG's.

  • Jerry,

    Just wondering if you've watched Jordan play in person? He is a really, really good player and he's very intelligent on the court. The kid flat out hustles all of the time and is an excellent shooter and ball handler. I'm not saying he's going to come in and play a lot right away, but to go ahead and pencil in Rivers and Jones ahead of him is premature.

  • Jerry,

    Just wondering if you've watched Jordan play in person? He is a really, really good player and he's very intelligent on the court. The kid flat out hustles all of the time and is an excellent shooter and ball handler. I'm not saying he's going to come in and play a lot right away, but to go ahead and pencil in Rivers and Jones ahead of him is premature.

  • Jerry,

    Just wondering if you've watched Jordan play in person? He is a really, really good player and he's very intelligent on the court. The kid flat out hustles all of the time and is an excellent shooter and ball handler. I'm not saying he's going to come in and play a lot right away, but to go ahead and pencil in Rivers and Jones ahead of him is premature.

  • JerryCT

    No I have not and I am sure he is very good especially on offense. My point is more about how we all underestimate the difficulty in transitioning the HS game to college. Sorry I gave the impression I am writing him off because I am not.

    He will face man pressure like never before by bigger and maybe quicker guys. He will have much tighter spaces and time windows to deliver passes. He will need to stop guys like Teague, Pargo , AJ Price at the point of attack and in open court.

    I have seen Rivers alot here in the Big East country. We know Rivers can defend Price et al Big East PG's becasue he has.

    It is my hope that Jones is a dramatically better player by the end of the season than he is now and will have made the HS to college changes in his game. This to me gives him the edge over Hulls especially early in the season

  • JerryCT

    No I have not and I am sure he is very good especially on offense. My point is more about how we all underestimate the difficulty in transitioning the HS game to college. Sorry I gave the impression I am writing him off because I am not.

    He will face man pressure like never before by bigger and maybe quicker guys. He will have much tighter spaces and time windows to deliver passes. He will need to stop guys like Teague, Pargo , AJ Price at the point of attack and in open court.

    I have seen Rivers alot here in the Big East country. We know Rivers can defend Price et al Big East PG's becasue he has.

    It is my hope that Jones is a dramatically better player by the end of the season than he is now and will have made the HS to college changes in his game. This to me gives him the edge over Hulls especially early in the season

  • JerryCT

    No I have not and I am sure he is very good especially on offense. My point is more about how we all underestimate the difficulty in transitioning the HS game to college. Sorry I gave the impression I am writing him off because I am not.

    He will face man pressure like never before by bigger and maybe quicker guys. He will have much tighter spaces and time windows to deliver passes. He will need to stop guys like Teague, Pargo , AJ Price at the point of attack and in open court.

    I have seen Rivers alot here in the Big East country. We know Rivers can defend Price et al Big East PG's becasue he has.

    It is my hope that Jones is a dramatically better player by the end of the season than he is now and will have made the HS to college changes in his game. This to me gives him the edge over Hulls especially early in the season

  • shootit

    IU would be hitting a new low if they told these players who were supposed to be beloved by the university, regardless of record, they no longer had a scholarship available.

  • shootit

    IU would be hitting a new low if they told these players who were supposed to be beloved by the university, regardless of record, they no longer had a scholarship available.

  • shootit

    IU would be hitting a new low if they told these players who were supposed to be beloved by the university, regardless of record, they no longer had a scholarship available.

  • Tyce Carmichael

    I have no idea what the rules are on this sort of thing, but what about the possibility of saving a scholarship on Hulls by allowing him to come to school on academic scholarship? It is my understanding that he is a very good student and could get school paid in full based on academics, this would give IU a great player for free, and a much needed scholarship. Also, there has been speculation that we might free one up by the Rivers family agreeing to pay Jeremiahs tuition based on their secure financial position. This would also free up a scholarship and allow us to keep some much needed players.

  • Tyce Carmichael

    I have no idea what the rules are on this sort of thing, but what about the possibility of saving a scholarship on Hulls by allowing him to come to school on academic scholarship? It is my understanding that he is a very good student and could get school paid in full based on academics, this would give IU a great player for free, and a much needed scholarship. Also, there has been speculation that we might free one up by the Rivers family agreeing to pay Jeremiahs tuition based on their secure financial position. This would also free up a scholarship and allow us to keep some much needed players.

  • Tyce Carmichael

    I have no idea what the rules are on this sort of thing, but what about the possibility of saving a scholarship on Hulls by allowing him to come to school on academic scholarship? It is my understanding that he is a very good student and could get school paid in full based on academics, this would give IU a great player for free, and a much needed scholarship. Also, there has been speculation that we might free one up by the Rivers family agreeing to pay Jeremiahs tuition based on their secure financial position. This would also free up a scholarship and allow us to keep some much needed players.

  • Well I think that scholly players may not like the fact that Moore, a walk on, is getting all the PT. I think he is actually the best point we have. I think, even before this recruiting hype and need for scholarships, that some players will look elsewhere anyway.

  • Well I think that scholly players may not like the fact that Moore, a walk on, is getting all the PT. I think he is actually the best point we have. I think, even before this recruiting hype and need for scholarships, that some players will look elsewhere anyway.

  • Well I think that scholly players may not like the fact that Moore, a walk on, is getting all the PT. I think he is actually the best point we have. I think, even before this recruiting hype and need for scholarships, that some players will look elsewhere anyway.

  • BK

    This doens't make sense to me. if Rivers were to pay his own way why wouldn't he have done that this year and played?

  • BK

    This doens't make sense to me. if Rivers were to pay his own way why wouldn't he have done that this year and played?

  • BK

    This doens't make sense to me. if Rivers were to pay his own way why wouldn't he have done that this year and played?

  • iuoiu

    OK, so the guy originally wants to go to UAB, but then balks when they don't guarantee MD will be there for his time in college. So he goes to Arizona and transfers as soon as Lute announces he's retiring. Sounds like a high maintenance problem to me. I understand wanting to play for a coach, but come on. You cant run every time your “guy” is not in charge anymore. Talent and size is one thing, but I want kids who want to play for INDIANA, not for whoever our current coach is.

  • iuoiu

    OK, so the guy originally wants to go to UAB, but then balks when they don't guarantee MD will be there for his time in college. So he goes to Arizona and transfers as soon as Lute announces he's retiring. Sounds like a high maintenance problem to me. I understand wanting to play for a coach, but come on. You cant run every time your “guy” is not in charge anymore. Talent and size is one thing, but I want kids who want to play for INDIANA, not for whoever our current coach is.

  • iuoiu

    OK, so the guy originally wants to go to UAB, but then balks when they don't guarantee MD will be there for his time in college. So he goes to Arizona and transfers as soon as Lute announces he's retiring. Sounds like a high maintenance problem to me. I understand wanting to play for a coach, but come on. You cant run every time your “guy” is not in charge anymore. Talent and size is one thing, but I want kids who want to play for INDIANA, not for whoever our current coach is.

  • Ryan_T

    sadly, that's how most players think in college basketball these days. the days of playing for a SCHOOL are over.

    get used to it.

  • Ryan_T

    sadly, that's how most players think in college basketball these days. the days of playing for a SCHOOL are over.

    get used to it.

  • Ryan_T

    sadly, that's how most players think in college basketball these days. the days of playing for a SCHOOL are over.

    get used to it.

  • et_sage

    Dude,

    The NCAA decides if you play after transferring – it is not about scholarship or pay your own way. Rivers MUST sit out one year.

    Sage

  • et_sage

    Dude,

    The NCAA decides if you play after transferring – it is not about scholarship or pay your own way. Rivers MUST sit out one year.

    Sage

  • et_sage

    Dude,

    The NCAA decides if you play after transferring – it is not about scholarship or pay your own way. Rivers MUST sit out one year.

    Sage

  • ALH_00

    I totally agree.

  • ALH_00

    I totally agree.

  • ALH_00

    I totally agree.

  • BGleas

    You're mixing the stories of two different players. Cousins in the kid that wants to play for Mike Davis at UAB and Whithey is the kid that is at Arizona and asked for his release when Lute retired.

  • BGleas

    You're mixing the stories of two different players. Cousins in the kid that wants to play for Mike Davis at UAB and Whithey is the kid that is at Arizona and asked for his release when Lute retired.

  • BGleas

    You're mixing the stories of two different players. Cousins in the kid that wants to play for Mike Davis at UAB and Whithey is the kid that is at Arizona and asked for his release when Lute retired.

  • BGleas

    You're mixing the stories of two different players. Cousins in the kid that wants to play for Mike Davis at UAB and Whithey is the kid that is at Arizona and asked for his release when Lute retired.