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Herald-Times: E-mails take full burden off Greenspan for Sampson hire

by Ryan Corazza in Media | April 3rd, 2008

email-plug-in2.gifThis shouldn’t come as too much of a surprise to anyone out there, but according to some e-mails the Bloomington Herald-Times acquired via an open records request, Rick Greenspan shouldn’t quite be the fall guy for the Sampson hire. As there have been rumblings about since Sampson was in hot water this season, former IU President Adam Herbert as well as some trustees had a hand in the decision making process as well.

… former Indiana University Alumni Association President Ken Beckley told current IUAA President Tom Martz that there were ultimately far more people responsible for Sampson’s hiring.

“In my opinion, Rick had input in the hiring of Sampson but certainly at least one trustee and the president (Adam W. Herbert) led the charge to hire Sampson,” Beckley wrote. “Rick, of course, is the front guy to the public. I think the university needs to step up and say that whatever happens in regard to Kelvin Sampson will be a university decision that involves the president, trustees, and director of athletics and not leave Rick hanging out there by himself. Unfair.”

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“Thank you Ken…” Greenspan wrote. “As you and I have confidentially discussed, a couple of Trustees and (Herbert) have more than fingerprints on this.”

Again, this isn’t that shocking of a revelation. In fact: I would be more surprised if IU’s president, director of athletics and trustees didn’t all have input on a new basketball coach. It’s a big decision, one that needs to be viewed from all sides by multiple figureheads at the university. In any event, this should at least provide some justification to back off the “Greenspan needs to go” train a bit. At least I would think.

  • JerryCT
    Thanks for setting this straight but for those who invested so much in bashing him they probably won't change their mind.
  • Herbert is another one of IU's gigantic screwups. Trying to be PC always backfires. He had no business being in charge of a Big Ten school.
  • GossMan
    Just proves again that you should withhold judgement until all facts are known.
  • cooper
    he isn't going anywhere anyways...though this will probably give him a little bit longer leash
  • I'm willing to give Crean the benefit of the doubt. Seems like a solid dude.
  • GossMan
    Crean is solid! No doubt about it!
  • Most people did know there were higher powers in this situation. I don't care what happens to greeny as long as he stays out of Crean's way.
  • easy
    I've been for keeping Greenspan. I think he has done a good job, and I think Crean's hiring will make him look even better. We are headed in the right direction in a lot of regards.
  • GossMan
    I am for keeping him as well. I really think he was wrongly demonized for Sampson being hired. I always heard rumours that his #1 choice was Kevin Stallings. I can't say enough about Tom Crean this time!!!
  • Not that I agree with giving Greespan a free pass on the Sampson hiring, but for argument sake I'll do just that. What everyone seems to forget he is also responsible for overseeing that all the athletic programs follow NCAA rules. How could Sampson make all these calls and no one in the admistration find out. How hard is it to follow up with recruits to ensure that they weren't contacted during the period that contact wasn't allowed? Sure, even if they catch him after the first improper phone call we still probably go down the road of dismissing him and finding a new coach BUT we wouldn't be facing the same level of NCAA sanctions and the IU reputation would not have been as damaged.

    I still say I don't want this man running the program.
  • Skeletim
    What everyone seems to forget is the good greenspan is doing in other sports, the football program had its best season in almost 20 years, the basketball program has been doing well despite kelvin, men's soccer lost in the NCAA tourney to the eventual national champs, Swimming and diving is good, womens basketball is improving, new buildings and facilities are either being built or being worked on. Greenspan is good at his job, be glad he found out about Sampson before the NCAA did.
  • GossMan
    I agree with your points...especially about the facilities...and remember...he brought in Coach Hep...God Bless Him...and imagine what the program might have been if he were still alive. I hope Coach Lynch can continue what Coach Hep started.
  • Skeletim
    Unfortunately, Lynch is a complete moron. I have been to over 100 BigTen football games in my short life (Go Wildcats!... I mean Hoosiers!) but Lynch is by far the least knowledgeable, most stubborn, worst coach I have ever seen. He doesn't use his players to their fullest extent and he refuses to change offensive and defensive schemes during games. He will be fired before this contract expires
  • tberry
    There is not the least thing that would make one believe that the IU Football Program would be better had Hep lived. What Hep did was give everyone the belief that things would be better. Hep "talked the talk" but did not have time to prove that he could "walk the walk."

    Hep was enthusiastic and Hep brought us hope for the future but Bill Lynch has and will do nothing.
  • GossMan
    I see your point...BUT...I will say that I am not clear on all of the facts with that either. I am not sure who was responsible for overseeing and auditing what the IU coaching staff was doing when it came to recruiting. I do believe that the buck stops with the boss...Mr. Greenspan...but when it came to light what had happened...I do believe that the university took appropriate action...maybe not quite quickly enough...but it did.
  • ALH_00
    No coach is going to work with someone in Compliance looking over his shoulder every second, as I'm sure KS did not. IU found out about the impermissible phone calls and reported the situation to the NCAA. The additional allegations, that KS gave false or misleading information to the NCAA investigators and the University is on KS. The administration did find out what was going on and it took action. (we'll see how proper it was in June). Until then, and in light of this post, don't we have to give Greenspan the benefit of the doubt?
  • CutterInChicago
    Yes, this is what the scuttlebutt - backchannel sources have been saying, that this was a Herbert and some of the Trustees production for the Sampson hiring. I'm not a Greenspan fan but knowing IU like I do, I was not shocked to see that Herbert (brought in by the Trustees who ultimately hired Sampson) was the driving force.
    Seeing that Ken Beckley - a good, honorable guy from my interactions with him - is the source clinches it for me.
    That said, the horse is dead. The Crean ahs risen to the top!
  • Exactly. Sampson was 100% Herberts hiring. I can only hope McRobbie is a good Pres.
  • tberry
    So now we want to believe that Greenspan was a scape-goat and Herbert, who is gone, and some unnamed trustee are to blame. Sound like more IU administrative spin to protect their IU good ole' boy.

    I'm sure Greenspan was not alone in Sampson's hiring but he is still ultimately responsible because he is the AD. If he is not responsible for Sampson's hiring then why should we give him credit for Crean's hiring or Hep's hiring? Ultimately all of this is his responsibility including the hiring of Bill Lynch which will ultimately be another fiasco which will soon lead to demands for another football coach.
  • JHoosiers77
    Further proof that IU was more concerned about political correctness - replace a minority coach with another minority coach than finding the most qualified coach. Coach Crean has said for the past two days he was never contacted two years ago about replacing Davis. The only other reason I can see (other than PC ) is the AD's budget two years ago wasn't what it is today, especially if Stallings (RUKidding?) was his first choice. I put Greenspan at slightly above .500 right now and certainly hope that Lynch turns out to be the right decision as I have little faith he can be successful, though I hope I'm wrong.
  • JerryCT
    I thought the KS hire was very clever , not at all PC and for most of 2 seasons it looked very good. After the recent debacle I see that IU was maybe not realistic or not ready for KS aggressiveness.

    BUt for all you guys to trash the hire like you KNEW this would happen is really crazy............for the most part you 1) did not know and 2) loved the recruiting 3) liked the winning..

    We got it right this time and looking backward just makes everyone appear hypocritical
  • Hoosier_Hound
    I've been saying this very thing for two months, guess I'm not credible or something.

    The real thing that's hurting Greenspan is that the one thing he screwed up also happened to be the single most important thing at Indiana. But with Crean, all the other coaches, the black budget, and the new facilities; I've always thought the good outweighed the bad in Greenspan's tenure.

    Lastly, I truly fail to understand all the bashing that Lynch receives. He led IU to their best season in 15 years despite a tragedy. I call that a great success.
  • tberry
    I bash Lynch because he is simply filling a role and should get no personal credit for IU meager successes last season. After Hep's death any of the assistants could have done as well or better.

    Lynches personal career has be mediocre at best and there is no reason that one should believe that magically he can take Indiana to anything other than continued mediocrity.

    His hire as an interim coach was understandable but his hire for the permanent coach was unforgivable.
  • Ryan_Btown
    You are correct. Not changing my mind. Lose lose situation for me. You hire him, you go down too. You think he's a bad hire, get on record and say it. Wouldn't be the first time the AD said it wasn't necessarily his fault for the hire. It's not unprecedented. If you thought it was bad, at least get on the record. If not, tough shit, sorry buddy, the buck stops here.
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