Herald-Times: E-mails take full burden off Greenspan for Sampson hire

  • 04/03/2008 4:53 pm in

email-plug-in2.gifThis shouldn’t come as too much of a surprise to anyone out there, but according to some e-mails the Bloomington Herald-Times acquired via an open records request, Rick Greenspan shouldn’t quite be the fall guy for the Sampson hire. As there have been rumblings about since Sampson was in hot water this season, former IU President Adam Herbert as well as some trustees had a hand in the decision making process as well.

… former Indiana University Alumni Association President Ken Beckley told current IUAA President Tom Martz that there were ultimately far more people responsible for Sampson’s hiring.

“In my opinion, Rick had input in the hiring of Sampson but certainly at least one trustee and the president (Adam W. Herbert) led the charge to hire Sampson,” Beckley wrote. “Rick, of course, is the front guy to the public. I think the university needs to step up and say that whatever happens in regard to Kelvin Sampson will be a university decision that involves the president, trustees, and director of athletics and not leave Rick hanging out there by himself. Unfair.”

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“Thank you Ken…” Greenspan wrote. “As you and I have confidentially discussed, a couple of Trustees and (Herbert) have more than fingerprints on this.”

Again, this isn’t that shocking of a revelation. In fact: I would be more surprised if IU’s president, director of athletics and trustees didn’t all have input on a new basketball coach. It’s a big decision, one that needs to be viewed from all sides by multiple figureheads at the university. In any event, this should at least provide some justification to back off the “Greenspan needs to go” train a bit. At least I would think.

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  • tberry

    There is not the least thing that would make one believe that the IU Football Program would be better had Hep lived. What Hep did was give everyone the belief that things would be better. Hep “talked the talk” but did not have time to prove that he could “walk the walk.”

    Hep was enthusiastic and Hep brought us hope for the future but Bill Lynch has and will do nothing.

  • tberry

    So now we want to believe that Greenspan was a scape-goat and Herbert, who is gone, and some unnamed trustee are to blame. Sound like more IU administrative spin to protect their IU good ole' boy.

    I'm sure Greenspan was not alone in Sampson's hiring but he is still ultimately responsible because he is the AD. If he is not responsible for Sampson's hiring then why should we give him credit for Crean's hiring or Hep's hiring? Ultimately all of this is his responsibility including the hiring of Bill Lynch which will ultimately be another fiasco which will soon lead to demands for another football coach.

  • tberry

    So now we want to believe that Greenspan was a scape-goat and Herbert, who is gone, and some unnamed trustee are to blame. Sound like more IU administrative spin to protect their IU good ole' boy.

    I'm sure Greenspan was not alone in Sampson's hiring but he is still ultimately responsible because he is the AD. If he is not responsible for Sampson's hiring then why should we give him credit for Crean's hiring or Hep's hiring? Ultimately all of this is his responsibility including the hiring of Bill Lynch which will ultimately be another fiasco which will soon lead to demands for another football coach.

  • tberry

    So now we want to believe that Greenspan was a scape-goat and Herbert, who is gone, and some unnamed trustee are to blame. Sound like more IU administrative spin to protect their IU good ole' boy.

    I'm sure Greenspan was not alone in Sampson's hiring but he is still ultimately responsible because he is the AD. If he is not responsible for Sampson's hiring then why should we give him credit for Crean's hiring or Hep's hiring? Ultimately all of this is his responsibility including the hiring of Bill Lynch which will ultimately be another fiasco which will soon lead to demands for another football coach.

  • ALH_00

    No coach is going to work with someone in Compliance looking over his shoulder every second, as I'm sure KS did not. IU found out about the impermissible phone calls and reported the situation to the NCAA. The additional allegations, that KS gave false or misleading information to the NCAA investigators and the University is on KS. The administration did find out what was going on and it took action. (we'll see how proper it was in June). Until then, and in light of this post, don't we have to give Greenspan the benefit of the doubt?

  • ALH_00

    No coach is going to work with someone in Compliance looking over his shoulder every second, as I'm sure KS did not. IU found out about the impermissible phone calls and reported the situation to the NCAA. The additional allegations, that KS gave false or misleading information to the NCAA investigators and the University is on KS. The administration did find out what was going on and it took action. (we'll see how proper it was in June). Until then, and in light of this post, don't we have to give Greenspan the benefit of the doubt?

  • ALH_00

    No coach is going to work with someone in Compliance looking over his shoulder every second, as I'm sure KS did not. IU found out about the impermissible phone calls and reported the situation to the NCAA. The additional allegations, that KS gave false or misleading information to the NCAA investigators and the University is on KS. The administration did find out what was going on and it took action. (we'll see how proper it was in June). Until then, and in light of this post, don't we have to give Greenspan the benefit of the doubt?

  • JHoosiers77

    Further proof that IU was more concerned about political correctness – replace a minority coach with another minority coach than finding the most qualified coach. Coach Crean has said for the past two days he was never contacted two years ago about replacing Davis. The only other reason I can see (other than PC ) is the AD's budget two years ago wasn't what it is today, especially if Stallings (RUKidding?) was his first choice. I put Greenspan at slightly above .500 right now and certainly hope that Lynch turns out to be the right decision as I have little faith he can be successful, though I hope I'm wrong.

  • JHoosiers77

    Further proof that IU was more concerned about political correctness – replace a minority coach with another minority coach than finding the most qualified coach. Coach Crean has said for the past two days he was never contacted two years ago about replacing Davis. The only other reason I can see (other than PC ) is the AD's budget two years ago wasn't what it is today, especially if Stallings (RUKidding?) was his first choice. I put Greenspan at slightly above .500 right now and certainly hope that Lynch turns out to be the right decision as I have little faith he can be successful, though I hope I'm wrong.

  • JHoosiers77

    Further proof that IU was more concerned about political correctness – replace a minority coach with another minority coach than finding the most qualified coach. Coach Crean has said for the past two days he was never contacted two years ago about replacing Davis. The only other reason I can see (other than PC ) is the AD's budget two years ago wasn't what it is today, especially if Stallings (RUKidding?) was his first choice. I put Greenspan at slightly above .500 right now and certainly hope that Lynch turns out to be the right decision as I have little faith he can be successful, though I hope I'm wrong.

  • JerryCT

    I thought the KS hire was very clever , not at all PC and for most of 2 seasons it looked very good. After the recent debacle I see that IU was maybe not realistic or not ready for KS aggressiveness.

    BUt for all you guys to trash the hire like you KNEW this would happen is really crazy…………for the most part you 1) did not know and 2) loved the recruiting 3) liked the winning..

    We got it right this time and looking backward just makes everyone appear hypocritical

  • JerryCT

    I thought the KS hire was very clever , not at all PC and for most of 2 seasons it looked very good. After the recent debacle I see that IU was maybe not realistic or not ready for KS aggressiveness.

    BUt for all you guys to trash the hire like you KNEW this would happen is really crazy…………for the most part you 1) did not know and 2) loved the recruiting 3) liked the winning..

    We got it right this time and looking backward just makes everyone appear hypocritical

  • JerryCT

    I thought the KS hire was very clever , not at all PC and for most of 2 seasons it looked very good. After the recent debacle I see that IU was maybe not realistic or not ready for KS aggressiveness.

    BUt for all you guys to trash the hire like you KNEW this would happen is really crazy…………for the most part you 1) did not know and 2) loved the recruiting 3) liked the winning..

    We got it right this time and looking backward just makes everyone appear hypocritical

  • Hoosier_Hound

    I've been saying this very thing for two months, guess I'm not credible or something.

    The real thing that's hurting Greenspan is that the one thing he screwed up also happened to be the single most important thing at Indiana. But with Crean, all the other coaches, the black budget, and the new facilities; I've always thought the good outweighed the bad in Greenspan's tenure.

    Lastly, I truly fail to understand all the bashing that Lynch receives. He led IU to their best season in 15 years despite a tragedy. I call that a great success.

  • Hoosier_Hound

    I've been saying this very thing for two months, guess I'm not credible or something.

    The real thing that's hurting Greenspan is that the one thing he screwed up also happened to be the single most important thing at Indiana. But with Crean, all the other coaches, the black budget, and the new facilities; I've always thought the good outweighed the bad in Greenspan's tenure.

    Lastly, I truly fail to understand all the bashing that Lynch receives. He led IU to their best season in 15 years despite a tragedy. I call that a great success.

  • Hoosier_Hound

    I've been saying this very thing for two months, guess I'm not credible or something.

    The real thing that's hurting Greenspan is that the one thing he screwed up also happened to be the single most important thing at Indiana. But with Crean, all the other coaches, the black budget, and the new facilities; I've always thought the good outweighed the bad in Greenspan's tenure.

    Lastly, I truly fail to understand all the bashing that Lynch receives. He led IU to their best season in 15 years despite a tragedy. I call that a great success.

  • Ryan_Btown

    You are correct. Not changing my mind. Lose lose situation for me. You hire him, you go down too. You think he's a bad hire, get on record and say it. Wouldn't be the first time the AD said it wasn't necessarily his fault for the hire. It's not unprecedented. If you thought it was bad, at least get on the record. If not, tough shit, sorry buddy, the buck stops here.

  • Ryan_Btown

    You are correct. Not changing my mind. Lose lose situation for me. You hire him, you go down too. You think he's a bad hire, get on record and say it. Wouldn't be the first time the AD said it wasn't necessarily his fault for the hire. It's not unprecedented. If you thought it was bad, at least get on the record. If not, tough shit, sorry buddy, the buck stops here.

  • Ryan_Btown

    You are correct. Not changing my mind. Lose lose situation for me. You hire him, you go down too. You think he's a bad hire, get on record and say it. Wouldn't be the first time the AD said it wasn't necessarily his fault for the hire. It's not unprecedented. If you thought it was bad, at least get on the record. If not, tough shit, sorry buddy, the buck stops here.

  • tberry

    I bash Lynch because he is simply filling a role and should get no personal credit for IU meager successes last season. After Hep's death any of the assistants could have done as well or better.

    Lynches personal career has be mediocre at best and there is no reason that one should believe that magically he can take Indiana to anything other than continued mediocrity.

    His hire as an interim coach was understandable but his hire for the permanent coach was unforgivable.

  • tberry

    I bash Lynch because he is simply filling a role and should get no personal credit for IU meager successes last season. After Hep's death any of the assistants could have done as well or better.

    Lynches personal career has be mediocre at best and there is no reason that one should believe that magically he can take Indiana to anything other than continued mediocrity.

    His hire as an interim coach was understandable but his hire for the permanent coach was unforgivable.

  • tberry

    I bash Lynch because he is simply filling a role and should get no personal credit for IU meager successes last season. After Hep's death any of the assistants could have done as well or better.

    Lynches personal career has be mediocre at best and there is no reason that one should believe that magically he can take Indiana to anything other than continued mediocrity.

    His hire as an interim coach was understandable but his hire for the permanent coach was unforgivable.

  • Ryan_Btown

    You are correct. Not changing my mind. Lose lose situation for me. You hire him, you go down too. You think he's a bad hire, get on record and say it. Wouldn't be the first time the AD said it wasn't necessarily his fault for the hire. It's not unprecedented. If you thought it was bad, at least get on the record. If not, tough shit, sorry buddy, the buck stops here.

  • tberry

    I bash Lynch because he is simply filling a role and should get no personal credit for IU meager successes last season. After Hep's death any of the assistants could have done as well or better.

    Lynches personal career has be mediocre at best and there is no reason that one should believe that magically he can take Indiana to anything other than continued mediocrity.

    His hire as an interim coach was understandable but his hire for the permanent coach was unforgivable.