The Minute After: Purdue

  • 02/15/2014 6:59 pm in

Thoughts on a 82-64 loss to Purdue:

As it turns out, it can get worse.

The Penn State meltdown. The Hanner Mosquera-Perea middle-of-the night arrest. And now, on a Saturday in Mackey Arena, a pathetic performance against a Purdue team and student section smelling blood in the water. If timing is everything, this was about the worst time for the Hoosiers to take a trip to West Lafayette. But the schedule is what it is, and Indiana’s ship, for the moment, looks sunk.

The Hoosiers were their typical silly turnover self to start this one. But as the first half went along, Indiana started to match the intensity of the building. Purdue was heaving some bricks, and Indiana got back into the game — even taking a five-point lead at 27-22 with 6:30 to go. But with Noah Vonleh on the bench with three fouls, the lead slipped away and the rout was on. Indiana could have taken a lead into halftime on a Yogi Ferrell 3-pointer with eight seconds to go. But he missed with Indiana trailing 35-33. Devin Davis fouled Basil Smotherman on the rebound. In the double bonus, he’d make the first, miss the second, get his own rebound and drop in a lay-up at the buzzer to put Purdue up 38-33.

It was one of those afternoons for the Hoosiers.

Purdue dropped trey after trey (10-of-18, 55.6 percent) and hit some tough shots that resulted in and-1 opportunities. It finished the game scoring 1.15 points per possession, its highest mark for the conference season. The Boilermakers were feeling it today and couldn’t be stopped. Indiana’s offense, on the other hand, slipped into a vast void of nothingness.

Its field goal drought was almost unfathomable. From Jeff Howard’s lay-in with 2:33 to go in the first half until a Yogi Ferrell 3-pointer at the 13:08 mark in the second half, the Hoosiers didn’t make a shot. That’s 9:25 of game clock coming up blank along with twelve missed shots in a row. Indiana failed to convert on a number of lay-ups. A tie ballgame at 33-all suddenly became a 15-point deficit (53-38) and it appeared as if the Hoosiers had thrown in the towel.

As the shots weren’t falling, and Purdue was humming on the other end, things got stale on offense. Indiana stood around like trees; there was little movement or purpose and you wondered what the heck was going on. The Hoosiers took far too many shots from distance (8-of-23, 34.8 percent) simply because they’d have nothing much going and they’d just heave from the perimeter late in the shot clock. The Paint Crew chanted “IU sucks” and “Ball State’s better,” and well, those taunts rang true on a day like today.

There is no plug to pull here, no reset button on the machine to start this season over and try and play it out any differently. Indiana’s program just had its roughest week in some time — maybe the worst of the Crean era, depending on criteria? — and who knows where it goes from here.

A strong, ranked Iowa team comes to Assembly Hall on Tuesday evening. Indiana has shown the ability to beat ranked foes on its homecourt in conference play, but it’s also shown the ability to lose to every Big Ten team in conference with a sub-.500 record.

The bleeding can stop with a win Tuesday, but is the wound already too deep?

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  • deebo

    I hear ya kid was recruited to shoot and we are lucky if he puts one up every other game. If that is coaching that’s not good

  • Kevin Tolliver

    Probably so, he seems to force things sometimes because he is the only real scoring threat on the floor at times

  • MillaRed

    I’m looking for personal growth in the much needed in-game major decisions that are necessary to help your team win. A completely different offensive game plan and perhaps sitting down and not acting crazy for 40 minutes near the bench.

    I am skeptical the above will be realized.

  • MillaRed

    I think if he was pushed into this corner his head would explode. I think most journalists are intimidated by this fact. He doesn’t handle that stuff well. And I think it’s immature.

  • RonB

    So, if he benches his starters who lead the team in dumb turnovers that would be Yogi team leader in t/o’s with 67, Noah with 58, Sheeley with 46 and Williams with 45(who has improved in this area) who does he put in? The rest of the subs have more t/o’s per minute played than the starters. Noah is getting the ball some he is 3rd in field goal attempts behind Yogi and Sheehey who you think would take more shots based on being our most experienced players.

  • MillaRed

    I was not thrilled that he had to embarrass Hanner on so many occasions. Say it once, maybe twice to make your point. He just wouldn’t let it go. He’s just a kid Mr Perfect. Maybe you didn’t party in college cause no one wanted to hang with your goofy —

    The guy thinks his shizz doesn’t stink. Can’t stand hearing him any more.

  • deebo

    Huh somebody is using their SAT words today. You are gonna have to dumb that down for me please I dont use words bigger than banana. Thanks

  • b_side

    So the team with the best players always wins? Then why do they call it March Madness?

    Coach K, Self and Izzo have all lost to inferior competition despite being superior coaches with significantly more talent on their roster.

    Bash Crean all you want – the wheels are coming off without a doubt, but make it constructive and logical please.

  • ForeverIU

    So you watched tape to see what Dakich says, or to form your own opinion? I don’t want to hear what Dakich has to say.

  • calbert40

    Well, last night’s game isn’t going to go down as good in any category. But we’ve had terrible games under different coaches. A single game (good or bad) is too small a sample size to make any declarations about a coach’s ability to motivate players. Tonight? Well, I guess I’d say he didn’t do it, but some of that falls on them as well.

    I remember a game against the Fab Five in Ann Arbor one year when IU was really good, and we got beat by like 30 points. That single game didn’t mean he was incapable of motivating his players, or that the team was terrible. It was one game, and they went on to win the last B1G title this team ever won outright until last year.

  • MillaRed

    They smelled blood from the tip off and why wouldn’t they? Easy to shoot under those circumstances.

  • MillaRed

    Am I the most hated guy on the site? Wow that’s quite an honor. I was only shooting for top 10. But shooting has been an issue this year, so………..

  • Kevin Tolliver

    I think turnovers are up in college basketball all together. When teams rely on freshman and try to run more you’re going to have more TO’s. As far as Crean having a high number of turnover teams he hasn’t really had a high profile point guard until Yogi and he is still just a sophomore.

  • MillaRed

    He covered the game. He used words. I didn’t have much choice. I do not choose the commentators.

  • CTHoosiers

    Remember after Pandora’s box was opened, releasing all the evils into the world, what was left was hope.

  • Kevin Tolliver

    This team has nothing to do with last years team. Not comparable at all.

  • MillaRed

    Correct me if I’m wrong but the moderators are IU basketball fans that visited the site like everyone else and you hand picked them to help moderate. Right?

    I’m thinking if part of that deal included “not posting any more” they would have frowned upon the position.

    Yimyames I like most of the things you say but not this one so much. These guys are doing a great job.

  • MillaRed

    If they booed Bobby would have grabbed the microphone and told them to shut up. And they would have.

  • chiswede

    Whew, there you are. I was starting to think we were gonna need to send someone out to your place for a welfare check!

  • Snookafly

    Well, we had a team rated as high as #5 in the country with three NBA first round picks in 2008. Dakich took over and we lost in the first round. Now, THAT is underachieving.

  • MillaRed

    Thinking of me are you? Cool. Cause I have no idea who you are. I’m flattered.

    BTW I an not a Dakich fan.

  • Jonny McClain

    if this is the case – crean misfired in his recruiting. that falls on the coach. these are his players – he wants these athletic guys but he may want to see if they can pass, dribble and/or shoot before offering a scholarship. if he had arrived a year earlier – jordy probably wouldn’t have ever worn an Indiana jersey. just my opinion.

  • WestSideHoosier

    I wasn’t comparing the teams. I was referring to CTC.

  • MillaRed

    Threw a party last night. Watched the game first. Ya know, to get in the partying mood.

  • MillaRed

    Is it me or do we stare down every player we are trying to pass to for 3 seconds. The defenders are like corners in football getting ready to pick off a pass.

  • WestSideHoosier

    Rebuilding was acceptable the first two years. It would be completely unacceptable in year SEVEN.

  • KmanCRK

    I agree. After hearing Chambers on Dakich the other day I think we need to start talking about Attitude all day every day in this program. No reason for us to have such big problems at times vs completely sub par teams but still beat Wisky and UM.

  • BMusic

    Extraordinary spelling, for a message board! Comments like this make me proud to be a Hoosier once again.

  • Ole Man

    So now IU would be 10 – 14 instead of 14 – 10.
    Have never bought the argument.
    Never will.
    As young as this team was at the beginning of the year, they needed time to get on their feet.
    Don’t know how getting trounced would have prepared them any better.

  • Southport65

    In game decisions are a MUST to improve on. His dribble drive offense is one of the reason kids come to play here. If you are looking for the old Bob Knight offense it is not coming back here or anywhere and I loved it and used it in my coaching days. He is also not going to sit down and to be honest very few D1 Coaches do unless they are winning big. Not all keep clapping for the team however. Does he have the players right now to run his offense NO. To make it work you have to have kids who can knock down shots from long 2’s and 3’s.
    Who can u kick it out to that can make a 3 often on this team other than Yogi? I thought he felt Eric Gordon, Hollowell and Etherington would turn out better this year and they did not come thru from 3 land. Without a good shooting team Noah is doomed to be double teamed and the defense will pack it in. Also you can not get floor spacing you need to run the dribble drive because defenses don’t worry about our shooting. The real downer with Purdue was our lack of any inspired defense. We had been keeping teams in the low 40’s and lower 30’s in 3 pt shooting percent. PU shot like 48 percent and 56% from 3 which killed us.

  • Kevin Tolliver

    Yes I know…. So, how does this years team reveal concealed weaknesses when its the players making the turnovers and missing the shots? How many layups were missed yesterday? We have good players but they are not executing good passes and missing shots. Strike it up to youth, inexperience what have you but most of our problems aren’t coach related. Everyone is just complaining wanting someone to blame. I will grant you a lot of our losses could have been prevented with less subbing but still we haven’t played well in even those games.

  • Kevin Tolliver

    Hold on but so many are saying Crean is a terrible coach but a great recruiter.

  • WestSideHoosier

    I agree with most of your points. However, I would like to think that 24 games into the season we would have improved in the case of turnovers. Are we more turnover prone due to our “dribble drive” offensive philosophy? Are we missing shots because our stagnant offense doesn’t create many good looks? I would lean towards answering yes to those questions.

  • Alford Bailey

    Yea, I can agree on that but its not as bad as #1 in the country most of the season, 2 top 5 lottery picks, B1G champ and can’t get past the sweet sixteen is it?

  • MillaRed

    Well said

  • yimyames

    That’s gonna require winning more than one game in a row.

  • yimyames

    Good point, seems Yogi may have lost this team as well as Crean.

  • Kevin Tolliver

    If your the basketball coach at Indiana University do you expect to to be your major focus on how to make a bounce pass? If our standards are so high for the coach so should it be for the players. I’ve read we have talent, but no coaching. I’ve read Crean can recruit but can’t coach. So if we have talent why can’t we make a lay up or make a basic pass without a turnover. Its not a talent or coaching issue. Its mental, lack of experience, and lack of continuity.

  • Alford Bailey

    Gotta believe recruiting will begin to suffer.

  • Jeff

    As support for my statement I will refer you to teams like Duke, Kansas, Syracuse, & Michigan State as examples, that recruite some very good talent that plays limited minutes in their freshman year but stick it out. However, most top of the line freshman develop so quickly over the course of their first year they become starters by mid January. Only teams that recruit one & done top talent seem to attract the guy who can’t wait. Recruiting the right type of young man will provide us with talent to compete in top 10 & they will be willing to test their talent against players that make up a strong team because they want to play with the best on a perennial winner.

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    I’m no fan of Dak, but rooting for IU is not his job. If all of us are killing Crean, not sure why the analyst shouldn’t too.

  • Court Storming Hoosier

    I agree. Also, we played UCONN, Syracuse, LIU (who was a tourney team last year although not this year), Notre Dame (who was ranked early in the season). We lost/almost lost everyone of those games. Playing harder competition would not have done anything to prepare them any better. In fact, I actually think we played better against UCONN (as a whole team) than most games later in the season (minus Michigan and Wisconsin).

  • yimyames

    I’m aware of the rules, and I agree with the rules. Just don’t agree with the amount of cops on the highway, that is all. Like you said, that’s my opinion.

  • KmanCRK

    That’s a stretch. You were doing good until that one. Stan is by far our best defender, with Vonleh 2nd.

  • MillaRed

    Yikes that was depressing. Because you’re right.

  • MillaRed

    Difference of opinion I guess. I didn’t see Stan shut down Stauskas.

    I like SRs future as a defender though.

  • Kevin Tolliver

    Jonny hoosier there are just people who can’t be pleased and can do no wrong. I guess they could take a senior one soph and three freshman and win the big ten. And without any kind of scoring threat from outside other than Yogi who is suppose to be our point guard. Im with you JBJ and RJ will make a lot of difference next year. Throw in Max who has been lighting it up of late and you have a offense along with a pretty good group of athletic wings who are improving daily. If Noah stays we will make some noise.


    For the last month or so I have taken to commenting a whole lot less and just reading a whole lot more as I turn all of this year’s “situations” over in my head. I always like to step back and listen to what different people are saying about what it is I”m mulling over in my mind, whether it is something that I agree with or disagree with, wanna consider all of it. But felt like I needed to comment on this comment of yours. One of the best that you have ever put on here IMHO.

  • Kevin Tolliver

    We have been starting Troy (frosh), Noah (frosh), Stan (frosh), Yogi (soph), Will (Sr.) maybe a little slack is needed to learn the system especially against the toughest conference in the country.

  • Kevin Tolliver

    OK everyone MSU lost to NEB. Should MSU fire IZZO….AT EAST LANSING