The Minute After: Ferris State

  • 11/08/2010 10:32 pm in

Notes on a 78-65 overtime win against Ferris State:

Vic does it again.

On a night when IU shot the ball poorly and were without last year’s go-to crunchtime player in Verdell Jones  — he again sat due to his ankle injury — it was freshman Victor Oladipo who brought it when it mattered most this evening inside Assembly Hall.

Down four with 10.7 seconds to play, Vic nailed a three-pointer and was fouled in the process. He hit the free throw — nothing but net — to tie the game.

On the ensuing possession, Olapido picked up Ferris State’s Kenny Brown full court. He was screened just after halfcourt, and Brown got a few steps on him en route to a wide-open layup, and maybe the game. But Vic stayed on his tail until he began to go up for the layup, timed it perfectly and swatted the ball away for an impressive, game-saving block from behind.

After a made basket by Ferris State’s Jerrell Sanders was called off at the buzzer, IU rolled in OT as the threes they were missing all game started to fall. Oladipo helped out in that extra frame as well, stealing the ball for a breakaway dunk at one point.

This kid is a playmaker.

And he stuffed the boxscore again: 14 points (4-of-8 from the field, 1-of-2 from three, 5-of-5 from the line) to go along with nine rebounds, five steals, two blocks and only two fouls in 31 minutes. Tremendous line.

Vic is becoming an early fan favorite, as Assembly Hall chanted OL-A-DIP-O after that breakaway dunk in OT.

I have a feeling it won’t be the last time the crowd chants his name this season.

Everything else.

First: Props to IU for getting back into this game late in the second half when they were left for dead, and taking care of business in overtime. Perhaps it’s a sign this team can figure out a way to win games they should all year.

That said, they also shot and turned the ball over a lot like last year’s team. The shooting was woeful from both the field (24-of-65 for 36.9 percent) and from three (7-of-27 for 25.9 percent). They had 20 turnovers.

Ferris State — a Division II team, mind you, but one with a lot of experience and upperclassmen — took IU out of their game offensively. The Hoosiers were working a lot of motion around the perimeter, and that 1-2-2 zone the Bulldogs utilized in the second half left IU looking for answers on several possessions.

In the first half, IU settled for a lot of contested shots early in the shot clock instead of making the extra pass and waiting for things to develop.

Without Guy Marc-Michel in the middle, Jones to try and break someone down on a drive (and Jeremiah Rivers, who has the ability to do that as well, seeing a diminished role) the Hoosiers are a very perimeter-oriented team. And if they’re not making shots, it’s going to be tough to pull out the victory.

Live by the three, (almost) die by the three.

There were times when they were able to get the ball into the lane for higher-percentage shots in the second half, but even those shots were having a hard time finding the bottom of the net tonight.

It’s early. Things will get better.

But tonight’s performance showed this team still has plenty of room for improvement.


Lots else to discuss here, including Matt Roth’s injury. Here’s hoping for the best there. Have at it.

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  • Anonymous

    IUMIKE1, We all hope your son is doing ok.

  • Outoftheloop

    No and I hope that HE can’t either!

  • Outoftheloop

    He looks like Keith Smart and Jim Thomas to me. They are each great Hoosiers!

  • Anonymous

    rather positive comments on the board and in the story considering they almost lost an exhibition game which is a good sign of perspective from the fans here. I was personally disappointed when I read that they almost lost but the comments have uplifted me a bit. Still though:
    – IU is going to need to find a way to instill that “next man up” philosophy the colts go by. I hope so much that we don’t have many injuries this year, but it happens and no matter who is on the court, they will need to find ways to compete – can’t use missing players as excuses.
    – I personally would rather see a blow out than an overtime game
    – I think Hulls will find a way to see his share of minutes on the court this year. He will need to find a way to compensate for his size. I said a bunch last year that this is turning into a taller player game at all positions.
    – 2012 is a long way away to start looking for a PG answer
    – I hope so much that Roth is ok, my gut says he will return – his shooting will get him minutes this year
    – as another poster mentioned: bad shooting % and 20+ turnovers = losses in the majority of games and from another poster: IU has got to penetrate the zones – big problem last year

  • Outoftheloop

    With the addition of Jones and Michel, this IS NOT a “a flawed and under-talented team”! You judge a coach by the record from Jan 1 through the END of March!

  • Outoftheloop

    Wrong!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the concern. Emergency appendectomy (sp?) after sitting in a room in the ER from 8:00 a.m. until they finally took him to surgery around 1:30 p.m. !! One good thing to come out of all of it though was I felt like I have been doing something right when right before they wheeled him off to surgery he apologized for making me miss the ballgame. See apple fall very close to tree 🙂

  • Outoftheloop

    Until Guy returns, the starting lineup is Pritchard, Oladipo, Watford, Creek and Jones with Hulls the first off the bench and Elston second. JR and Moore can play. Will needs minutes to calm down and to know what to do in games-he is a freshman and this is pre-conference. Capo is Pritchard’s twin-we get 10 fouls there. I hope that Matt can come back, but I am not optimistic. Kelin you are usually a pretty level headed guy, but in 2 games Watford has scored 50 with 12 rebounds and YOU want to switch his position? NO WAY! Vic has shown, that HE can play the 4 for now, 23 points and 12 boards. Creek is still, with all of his rust, the number 2 player that we have, 31 points and 11 rebounds. Let him continue to SHOOT, they will soon start to DROP! Adding Verdell will really help! Adding Guy will help some more.

  • Outoftheloop

    I “saw” the game on the computer. In two games Hulls is 11 assists / 6 turn overs = 1.83% which would have tied for 5th in the Big 10 last season. He will get better as the season goes along. He needs to score 10 points / game to loosen himself and the defenses up!

  • Outoftheloop

    Haven’t you heard-Yogi is “going” to Wake Forest-at least for a visit. What is wrong with him? You get NO BONUS POINTS for how many offers you get that YOU WILL NEVER ATTEND! Or is he serious that Wake and Indiana are “tied” in his mind right now? Cody showed complete class, Yogi is showing a BIG EGO! Pick the one-two-three-four-five schools where you want to go and quit the insatiable search for attention.

  • Anonymous

    Believe me I totally understand what you are saying and agree with you to a certain extent and I really don’t want to hear that out of them very much, if at all, either, regardless of whether it is true or not. When you get down to the bare facts though I will venture to guess that, overall, they will still not have near the experience, team wise, that most of the other teams that we will face have on the floor and certainly not in the B10.

    Some of the players that are getting major minutes now and even starting now certainly would not have been starters their freshman year or maybe ever and / or would not be seeing major minutes until their junior or senior years under normal conditions. I think we are starting to get a glimpse of what kind of player we will be seeing in an IU uniform in the near future in VO and the kids he is signing for the near future and that it will make this kind of an observation stand out even more.

  • Outoftheloop

    That kid #40, Keenan, is good! We have an open scholarship right now, I would give it to him over any “additional” recruit for 2011 after Austin and Cody!

  • Outoftheloop

    He gets them the “old-fashioned” way-he EARNS them! Which he has ALREADY DONE! Right now the pecking order is Watford, Creek and Oladipo. But Verdell will be in the thick of that group very soon!

  • Anonymous

    Agreed. He must become a much more improved all around player for us to take a big step forward. Him doing this will be a big factor in allowing CW to continue to play the 3 also IMHO.

    Until I see something to make me feel different I think Guy makes us a better team and a deeper team with many more options lineup wise.

  • Anonymous

    Really good analysis and not just because I completely agree either.

  • Outoftheloop

    Wrong. VO is for real, one of our top 3-4-5 players (with Watford, Creek, Jones and Michel)! JR is a contributor, one of our top 10 players. Hulls is definitely above JR, so is Elston.

  • Outoftheloop

    Thursday.

  • Stonaroni

    Hulls is not very strong with the ball.

  • Dude, you can’t count the Franklin game. Going by your methodology, Watford’s pts/gm so far this year would’ve led the B10 last year. Hulls’ assists in the Franklin game don’t mean anything; he faces better competition in practice! I hope — and think — he’ll get better as the season goes along, but I think we’re in for more of a 3:2 asst/to ratio than your 2:1.

  • stonaroni

    Against who? Second rate talent. The guy will take a beating in the Big 10. I could care less about his asst-to ratio when his man is outscoring him by 10 pts every night out.

  • He likes the spotlight more than some (Zeller), but I don’t think he’s JDavis-ing or DSR-ing us here. And Wake Forest is where Chris Paul went, so maybe Yogi is thinking about that aspect of it (since he wants to be a pro PG)? Do I wish he only beamed and tweeted about IU? Yes. Am I going to fault him for appearing to be genuinely excited about an offer from another program? No. He seems like a great kid who enjoys the spotlight; he’s like 16 or 17, I’m not going to hate on him for considering Wake Forest.

  • stonaroni

    Tell me how I am wrong and I will listen.

  • 11th and Done (Dunn)

    he was a lot better than pritchard or bobby.

  • stonaroni

    What game are you watching? Why do you think he was on the floor at the end of the game? CTC needed stops and to control the ball defensively. JR does this far better than Hulls.

  • stonaroni

    You say this as a Hulls fan, not as a fan looking at the big picture. Face it Hulls is too small and too slow against good competition. This is the Big 10 and they will eat him alive just like last year.

  • stonaroni

    You say this as a Hulls fan, not as a fan looking at the big picture. Face it Hulls is too small and too slow against good competition. This is the Big 10 and they will eat him alive just like last year.

  • 11th and Done (Dunn)

    not buying it. i was there, and if he showed his face the place would have exploded.

  • 11th and Done (Dunn)

    not buying it. i was there, and if he showed his face the place would have exploded.

  • ziggysane

    There is no low post presence — IU didn’t even try. It’s clear that IU will struggle mightily in the post this year. Tom is what Tom is. He can’t finish around the rim and he isn’t quick enough and doesn’t have enough body control to keep from fouling. Bobby is lost within the flow of a game. He is timid like Pritchard on offense and is foul prone like Pritchard on defense. It is really telling that IU didn’t even really attempt to create any offense on the blocks. That is a lack of coaching more than a lack of potential. IU’s post presence is awful, but IU was so much bigger and supposively more athletic than the competition, but IU never really tried to muscle the opponent. When shots aren’t falling from the perimeter something else must be done and their clearly wasn’t an emphasis on exploiting IU’s height advantage around the rim.

    There wasn’t anything creative around the perimeter. IU showed the same sets (when there were sets) each time down the court. It was like watching somone bang his head against the wall: It’s ignorantly repetitive and very damaging. IU didn’t attempt to creat off the dribble enough. Again, IU had a size and supposively athletic advantage, but IU never consistently attacked the rim. Watford did a few times, but Hulls was inept at this, so was Creek (and if Creek isn’t well enough to penetrate than he shouldn’t be on the floor), Will didn’t attempt this, Victor didn’t try nearly enough for being one of the most explosive players on the court. Again, either the coaches didn’t get through to the players or the players are just too timid. There wasn’t much variation on who flashed to the free throw line, and because the same players flashed the opponent new what to expect each time. I can’t believe the player flashing didn’t shot fake and drive to the rim or turn around, rise and fire from 12 – 15 feet more often. With the size advantage that IU had why not have one of the better shooters like Creek, Roth, etc. take that spot?

    IU never lead in the second half against a Division II school. That shouldn’t happen even without VJ3, a cast on Pritchard’s hand (which he play with last game and was more effective too), a Juco transfer and a recovering Mo Creek (who played pretty well in the second half of the previous game). IU should have enough talent and experience even with some of the limitations to beat a Division II school — let alone struggle mightily — never lead in the final 20 plus minutes of the game until a maricle basket combined with a foul allows them to take the game into overtime. IU doesn’t have a lot of talent, but it should be more competitive against Division II schools.

    No team “needs” to win close games. No coach who goes undefeated, wins every game by 10 or more points and wins a national title says, “Golly, I just feel if we had a few more close games . . .” Certainly, IU won’t go undefeated and win a national title and I hope the team (including the staff) learned some lessons from the game, but it’s not needed. A team shouldn’t need something like this to learn. It’s certainly not needed against a Divison II opponent.

  • ziggysane

    There is no low post presence — IU didn’t even try. It’s clear that IU will struggle mightily in the post this year. Tom is what Tom is. He can’t finish around the rim and he isn’t quick enough and doesn’t have enough body control to keep from fouling. Bobby is lost within the flow of a game. He is timid like Pritchard on offense and is foul prone like Pritchard on defense. It is really telling that IU didn’t even really attempt to create any offense on the blocks. That is a lack of coaching more than a lack of potential. IU’s post presence is awful, but IU was so much bigger and supposively more athletic than the competition, but IU never really tried to muscle the opponent. When shots aren’t falling from the perimeter something else must be done and their clearly wasn’t an emphasis on exploiting IU’s height advantage around the rim.

    There wasn’t anything creative around the perimeter. IU showed the same sets (when there were sets) each time down the court. It was like watching somone bang his head against the wall: It’s ignorantly repetitive and very damaging. IU didn’t attempt to creat off the dribble enough. Again, IU had a size and supposively athletic advantage, but IU never consistently attacked the rim. Watford did a few times, but Hulls was inept at this, so was Creek (and if Creek isn’t well enough to penetrate than he shouldn’t be on the floor), Will didn’t attempt this, Victor didn’t try nearly enough for being one of the most explosive players on the court. Again, either the coaches didn’t get through to the players or the players are just too timid. There wasn’t much variation on who flashed to the free throw line, and because the same players flashed the opponent new what to expect each time. I can’t believe the player flashing didn’t shot fake and drive to the rim or turn around, rise and fire from 12 – 15 feet more often. With the size advantage that IU had why not have one of the better shooters like Creek, Roth, etc. take that spot?

    IU never lead in the second half against a Division II school. That shouldn’t happen even without VJ3, a cast on Pritchard’s hand (which he play with last game and was more effective too), a Juco transfer and a recovering Mo Creek (who played pretty well in the second half of the previous game). IU should have enough talent and experience even with some of the limitations to beat a Division II school — let alone struggle mightily — never lead in the final 20 plus minutes of the game until a maricle basket combined with a foul allows them to take the game into overtime. IU doesn’t have a lot of talent, but it should be more competitive against Division II schools.

    No team “needs” to win close games. No coach who goes undefeated, wins every game by 10 or more points and wins a national title says, “Golly, I just feel if we had a few more close games . . .” Certainly, IU won’t go undefeated and win a national title and I hope the team (including the staff) learned some lessons from the game, but it’s not needed. A team shouldn’t need something like this to learn. It’s certainly not needed against a Divison II opponent.

  • Anonymous

    I completely agree. I was not impressed by his decision making, ball handling, or toughness in a game against a DII team. He needs to work harder, because the work he is doing now is not cutting it.

  • Anonymous

    What he said^^^^

  • Anonymous

    What he said^^^^

  • Outoftheloop

    He was the #5 3-point % shooter in the Big 10 last year, and personally won two of the four Big 10 wins we had last year. But I am not a “Hulls fan” or a “Rivers fan” (JR’s defense on M Harris won the MI game last year), but an IU fan! I would start Ashley Benson if Indiana would win as a result!

  • Outoftheloop

    The only “stops” we got consistently were missed free throws when they were in the 2-shot bonus. Do you remember who was on the floor when we were down 4 with under 30 seconds and had to score? (Hint it was not JR!)

  • Anonymous

    IUMike – Sorry to hear (read) about your son’s hospitalization. Is there anything that familiar strangers (ITH readers) can do for you or your family?

  • Anonymous

    Sounds to me like DE was tired from the game day practice and that’s why he fouled so much. He was tired. Crean is just trying to get these guys to play though the fatigue – got lucky against these guys. In the B10 it won’t happen that way.

  • Anonymous

    OTL, you just want to see her in a tank top.

  • Anonymous

    No but thank you for asking, your concern is very much appreciated. Everything went about as smoothly as it could I guess and he is on already on the mend. I sincerely appreciate the concern from my fellow ITH’ers, and Alex, thanks for running this in such a way that this kind of thing happens. Good luck trying to find another blog, free OR pay for, that comes across like this and that you can actually believe that they mean it.