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Some serious schedule musings

by in Schedule | August 27th, 2010

Raise your hand if you were a bit underwhelmed by Indiana’s non-conference schedule?

Yea, me too, but let’s be honest: After two years November tossing the Hoosiers in well over their heads, and facing as talented a Big Ten as we’ve seen in five years or more, there’s really nothing wrong with taking it a little bit easier before the New Year turns.

Given that IU will still play Kentucky, still has a date in the Big Ten/ACC Challenge, (which it had no power in deciding) and will still meet Northern Iowa and, potentially, New Mexico, the pre-Big Ten slate really isn’t as weak as it could be – trust me. To some extent, it probably also looks a lot easier when you consider Indiana’s last two years, with dates against Wake Forest, Notre Dame, Gonzaga and Maryland, among others, on top of the traditional rivalry with the Wildcats.

In truth, it probably still tells us a fair amount about these Hoosiers, who – given their schedule – have more than just an outside shot at postseason basketball for the first time since 2008. No, not the NCAA Tournament, but anything beats staying home, doesn’t it?

Considering its path through the first quarter of the season, there’s ample reason to believe Indiana will be 8-0 when the Hoosiers head to Kentucky on Dec. 11. In fact, it would be rather surprising if Tom Crean’s squad wasn’t 8-0 (certainly nothing below 7-1) on the bus to Lexington.

Which brings me to the primary point of this rambling – can Indiana beat Kentucky at Rupp Arena in mid-December? I’m sure it’s something plenty of you salivate at the thought of. One way or the other, it’s a worthwhile debate to have.

Consider the following:

+ Kentucky loses basically all its experienced leadership and its top four leading scorers from one year ago. More than that, perhaps, with the loss of John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, etc., the Wildcats lose the basis of their team identity, not an easy commodity to replace.

+ Three guesses who Kentucky’s best returning frontcourt player might be. You should only need one guess, since Josh Harrellson is the only possible answer. The senior forward is literally the only forward coming back from last year’s team, and he averaged right at four minutes per game last season. Super freshmen Enes Kanter and Terrence Jones along with JUCO transfer Eloy Vargas will probably be expected to carry most of the load down low for a squad whose official roster only lists four players as forwards. That is a bit deceiving, with the athleticism of taller guards like DeAndre Liggins.

+ Once again, John Calipari will field a team that’s primarily driven by freshmen – albeit, again, impressively gifted freshmen – including the aforementioned Kanter, Brandon Knight, Jones and Stacey Poole. The blessing in that is that Calipari has made a habit of getting the most out of freshmen in recent seasons. (See: John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Derrick Rose.) The curse is that, unlike last year, Kentucky does not have nearly the clear-cut veteran leadership to guide and back up all that youth. Patrick Patterson, Perry Stevenson, these were guys who brought that kind of experience and guidance. This year, Harrellson also gets the privilege of being the team’s only senior, and the Wildcats only have two juniors that aren’t transferring in this year, as well.

+ We should all have a good idea what Kentucky brings to the table by the time the Hoosiers find Lexington. Calipari and crew open with two rather easy opponents before a trip to the Maui Invitational, and a road date with UNC and a home tilt with Notre Dame stand between the beaches of Hawaii and the bank shots of Verdell Jones. If all those aforementioned freshmen can find their proverbial sea legs quickly, turn out some good early-season results and drum up some confidence, then Kentucky ought to be in a very good frame of mind for their annual rivalry match-up. Stumble early, and it could be a different story.

+ The Hoosiers, by contrast, face no real tests other than a trip to Boston College, where former Cornell coach Steve Donahue has his hands full remaking a program that sort of fell apart a little bit when Al Skinner’s tenure ended rather unceremoniously. The Hoosiers won’t be perhaps as battle-tested as Kentucky, but they also won’t enter the season with nearly as many questions to answer, either, beyond Maurice Creek’s health.

So what do you think? My two cents: I think it’s very possible. Indiana ought to be a very good place when it travels south to Lexington, and frankly, I’m not sure I have as much undeniable faith in this crew of freshmen as I did Kentucky’s last group of college greenhorns.

I would demur from making any sort of firm prediction now, because well, it’s August, and I need at least two months of college football before I even start thinking about other sports. Also, I’m taking the easy way out while Maurice Creek continues to work his way back from a knee injury.

But at the end of the day, I think it’s possible. Do you?

  • Anonymous

    Sure there is. “N-I-T! Can’t spell Nittany Lions without it!”

  • Anonymous

    I think if IU makes the tournament, 20 wins or not, Crean is a serious candidate for Coach of the Year.

  • Anonymous

    You have those 4 games and that’s far tougher than any non-conference schedule John Thompson’s 80′s-era Georgetown teams ever faced (can you say D-III St. Leo, because the Hoyas did several years in a row.)

  • marsh21

    We have no guard play at a high level which will be the reason we stick around 500 ball and will NOT beat UK in Lexington. I love IU and remain very proud of our improvement however without solid guard play, (meaning defense, great floor vision and leadership), which none of our guards have at this point will mean a struggle to get to 500.

    The Big Ten will eat our lunch again this year. I can’t see beating OSU, Wisconsin, Purdue, MSU, Illinois so there’s 9 losses already not counting non-conference games.

  • BFowler

    Geez, I forgot about Watford….How could I do that? That puts a match-up with Miller or Poole, so I would say that is a wash…..No real difference in the bottom line.

  • ArtistFormerlyKnownAs_Aceman07

    I’d put our chances at maybe 20 percent!!!

  • Anonymous

    Unless you are a follower of alumni of one of those two, or you just love to research stuff, that is some superb knowledge of some rather obscure college bball facts. I tip my hat to my fellow Hoosier fan.

  • cdog

    Someone is seriously underestimating Wright State and Boston College, not to mention we lost to Northwestern State last year. This is still a young team that may have trouble getting out of the gate early as they try to work in various lineups. Being better on paper doesn’t guarantee wins. A 9-4 preseason record would seem reasonable and 6 wins in conference (reasonable for a team expected to finish 8th) would give us 15 wins. They will need an extra win to get into the NIT at 16-15.

  • IULineman

    Syracuse does almost every year and they get in As a matter of fact they are usually ranked until the big east starts

  • wyohoosier

    I agree on the guard play but we should have beaten ILL. twice last year w/out creek so i like our chances of atleast .500 in big ten.

  • Anonymous

    I just remember being a 12 or 13 year old kid and thinking “who the hell is St. Leo?!” after seeing them lose by about 50 or 60, then finding out it’s a D-III school and wondering how that scheduling ever happened.
    I also remember Georgetown playing USI around 1990 when I was down there. There was a reason for that one though—Georgetown had Dikembe Mutombo, and they scheduled USI so Dikembe could play against his older brother, Ilo, who was at USI. Georgetown won by like 17, but a week or so later the mighty Screaming Eagles went to Wisconsin and won.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, if it were any more difficult to get Jim Boeheim away from the Carrier Dome in November and December I’d swear he had to wear a home incarceration ankle monitor.

  • Anonymous

    Remember the Alamo—forget Rupp!

  • Anonymous

    I think you’re remembering the IU loss to Loyola of Maryland—IU beat Northwestern State.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s all be glad Roburt Sallie signed to play that last year at Louisville and not IU, because he didn’t complete his work to graduate from Memphis in time and he’s ineligible to play. So, too, is Justin Coleman, leaving U of L with only ONE incoming recruit.

  • IUFAN87

    See a lot of people trying to predict there record and I love IU. I saw one say no way we will win against a few btn teams home or away….ARE YOU CRAZY HOW LONG HAVE YOU WATCHED BTN BASKETBALL….It doesnt matter what that paper says when your on the road in the BTN you better play your best Basketball and hope to get a good run or shot at the end of the game.

  • Young Kelin Zeller

    This has been a horrible year for Kentucky’s other team…

    1. Pitino gets busted for extra helpings at a restaurant
    2. Pitino hires teagues h.s. coach and then teague chooses to go elsewhere
    3. Michael Chandler decommitted
    4. Now Roburt Sallie is ineligible and Justin Coleman

    IU has dodged two bullets with Sallie and Selby. It would have been a disaster if those two came and were ineligible. Crean stick to the formula.

  • Anonymous

    the basement is 12 wins and the ceiling is 16 wins. The soph class should be better than freshman – but it takes a core of juniors and seniors to provide the nucleas of a consistent winner. Still too many ifs…Can Guy rebound in a crowd and be the defensive stopper we need? Will the true JR step up? Can Gordy do a decent Mark Price imitation? Will Watford and Mo cont to step up? Can VJ III pull out some more magic? Still need the cohesiveness and confidence to jell…but anything is possible – a win at pUKe would be sweet but I would take a close game with intensity. RMK’s team had there hands full with less talented Wisky teams in the past for the same reason we will give pUKe all they can handle – Tenacity, hard work, and good fundamentals – if the shots fall we have a 33% shot at stealing one…This year is key for CTC and he knows it….get to 500 and get Zeller to sign or Perea to commit and we are just about there….

  • Tberry

    Very unlikely but soon!!!

  • Anonymous

    I agree with your 12 win basement, but I could see a win or two more as the ceiling. I’d said before 13 to 17 (with the potential of another win or two in the NIT.)

  • stonaroni

    EXACTLY!!!! Great point. There are so many ways to look at this schedule being positive or negative. Here is my perspective:

    1) Winning breeds confidence and a togetherness, something this group of players have yet to experience at IU. The more wins, the better. If IU rolls off 17 or 18 wins this year, the junior class (2009) next year will be ready to cement themselves as BIG 10 contenders. This will help the 2011 and 2012 class when they step on campus on know that winning is expected.

    2) The 16 game BIG 10 schedule is consistent with how it has always been. It is traditionally a good league with good road tests that gets IU ready for postseason play.

    3) The BIG 10/ACC game is based off of matchups. As IU gets better, so does the ACC team they play which improves the schedule.

    4) As IU improves and plays in Maui, PR, Vegas, etc, they will begin playing the stronger teams there in those tournaments and match ups, thus making the schedule stronger

    5) In case no one has noticed, there is a huge push in the NCAA right now for MEGA CONFERENCES. The Big 10 could easily pick up another 2 to 4 teams geographically, thus requiring a change of the 16 game schedule in the future. So for Get Real, your chicken sh** comment is a bit ridiculous about CTC. He knows what might lie ahead in the Big 10 and NCAA. he is being sound currently in not wanting major change, but will adhere when necessary, then you can have your chicken salad.

    6) I would rather see IU go 12-1 before Big 10, go 12-4 and finish 2nd in the BIG 10 and go 1-1 in Big 10 tourn and finish with a 25-6 record and get a #2 seed in the NCAA’s than 9-4 pre, 12-4 in Big 10, and 1-1 in B10 tourn and finish 22-9 and get a #4 or #5 in NCAA’s. Final 4 teams usually benefit from matchups in the tourn. Butler, IU in this decade, Arizona in 97, along with the Utah’s, Syracuse, George Mason, etc.

    7) Maybe most important, as IU WINS so does the in state recruiting. No state has produced so much home grown talent the last few years than Indiana. If we can add wins + Zeller then we will get possibly Yogi+ Perea + Hollowell + the best of 2013 + the best of 2014 + etc.

    This program is finally on the right track. There is no outsider who snubs local recruits, there is no scam artist who is about winning at all costs which includes cheating and the neglect of an education. There is a man with B10 roots, who has coached for the master Izzo, who solidified a Marquette program, who had the balls to take a program many national media types had written off and rebuilt the traditions and foundations we Hoosier fans have grown to love. We have a coach who, with a couple big committments, might have the best 4 year recruiting run (2009-12) that we have seen in at least 20 years.

  • stonaroni

    I see a lot of comments on here about beating UK. Is that really important? What I want to see is a competitive team who finishes at leat in the middle of the pack in the B10. I am looking for that team that can go into Champaign, IL; Madison, WI; or West Lafayette, IN; or Columbus, OH and steal a game on the road. A team that can do this can finish 8-8 in the Big 10 and be dancing with 18 or 19 wins. The b10 is getting stronger as a conference so IU’s RPI should be fairly strong in comaprison to record.

  • stonaroni

    Do you watch UK basketball? Watford will be the guy who should be the stand out in the game. UK’s interior defense is always a mess no matter how tall or whois in the middle. Through a pump fake at a guy and they will foul out at half-time. The key to beating Calipari teams is penetration to the heart of the lane.

    Miller will guard Miller is more of a lock down defender and very good at it. I will take the 6’5 Liggins/Poole/ Hood on the 6’9″ Watford all day.

    BTW BFowler, there is an athletic 7’1″ GUY who is policing the lane altering shots on the Calipari infamous offense “the dribble drive”.

    We finally have a team that can control the style and tempo of a game, don’t count us out.

  • Anonymous

    Google ads trying to sell Kentucky apparel on the banner at top of this page ??? There has to be a way to shut those actions down

  • MikeinNC

    To your primary question – no, we cannot. Not in 2010 anyway.

  • Young Kelin Zeller

    stonaroni….I agree with you however….I REALLY hate kentucky.

  • Anonymous

    Davis was a nice enough guy but he drove the program into a really bad neighborhood and left it there and then Sampson and his boyz did the equivalent of a drive by with everybody armed with fully automatic weapons and then left us lying there on life support. Bout time some of the bullets started missing us and hitting someone else.

    Luckily for us Crean came along and kept the plug that went to the respirator from being pulled when all the other doctors wanted no part of us as a patient and thought the plug should just be pulled.

  • Anonymous

    Is it really that important ? AAHHH Hell yes it is and I don’t think I’m alone on this one, am I people ? There are a number of reasons why and I won’t go into all of them but some of them that jump out at me right off the bat are
    1) Beat them and it helps to start shutting down the pipeline that is draining so much of the top level instate talent that is currently going down to that blue cesspool, of all places.
    2) To be able to do what you are talking about and win the games that you are mentioning will probably require us to be good enough to be able to beat pUKe this year.
    3) Beating them also sends a message to the top level talent nationwide, that we are a viable spot for them to come and play.

    And the last one, but not the least of or the only other one, that I will list is…… IT’S pUKe !!!

  • Anonymous

    Ads selling pUKe apparel on ITH ?! Alex we are just starting to get back in the good graces of the bball gods and then this ? If they see this I fear that there will be a terrible price to pay !

    Tell us it ain’t so Alex !!!

  • http://www.insidethehall.com/ Alex Bozich

    Google ads are often generated by keywords found on a particular page.

  • Anonymous

    I figured it was something like that. Just can’t seem to help myself when there is any kind of window to take a jab at pUKe.

    Plus I’m sure that you know that you if you intentionally done something like that on here some of us might feel the need to hunt you down and…..I think you get the picture. LOL

    Armed with that knowledge let it be known from this day forward that ” that ” word shall not appear on this site again, or at least not spelled correctly, so that something of that nature will never again disgrace this sacred site.

  • Anonymous

    Better reason to replace “ken…cky” with pUKe – I edited my initial post to reflect

  • IULineman

    probably best post i’ve read in a long time

    GO IU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    and 4) allow those of us in the southern part of the state to possibly endure less drivel flowing from the toothless mouths of their fans

  • Anonymous

    or sUcK

  • Anonymous

    It just shows the KY intelligence, “Let’s pick a site where we will NEVER SELL ANYTHING. Yeah, good, that makes sense.” As long as Alex pockets something, then all is good.

  • Anonymous

    You are on the money, thanks.

  • Anonymous

    I stand corrected by a wise man!

  • Anonymous

    Yes!

  • Anonymous

    I got my Ph.D. from Wright State. I was there in December ’99 when they beat MSU. That’s the year MSU went on to win the national championship. It’s a decent basketball program which periodically upsets a big school. They should not be underestimated, though I expect IU to win that game.

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  • Scott

    Off subject, but congrats to Eric Gordon leading the US in scoring on their way to victory in their first game. Way to represent the Hoosier state!

  • DanTheMan

    Gotta think the added experience of playing deeper into “a” post-season would be better for the following season though. But that’s just me.

  • Anonymous

    When your fan base is mostly illiterate you have to hawk your wares elsewhere.

  • DanTheMan

    Stonaroni, we should meet at Nick’s for the away games and drink a lot. I like the way you think.

  • DanTheMan

    I guess we can take comfort then in knowing IU apparel ads are probably showing up on the UK boards. But can’t the servers give us ads for travel agencies offering trips to the United Kingdom when the servers i.d. pUKe..instead of the apparel? C’mon Alex…pull some strings;)

  • Dr. J

    I don’t think getting to 18-20 wins is out of the question at all. Last year = 10 wins. OK, here are a few thoughts. 1)Should have beaten ILL twice. If you watched, that is a VERY valid statement. 2)Should have beaten Purdouche at home. 3) Should have won two more of our pre big ten games…. I am remembering a 24 point comeback that should be a W if Rivers can hit a couple of free throws and I also remember a 3 pointer at the buzzer from Boston U ( I think) from half court that sealed the loss there. Basically, a few missed free throws changed LAST year from a 10 win season to a 15 win season….. without Creek. I was at IU this weekend and talked to Crean at the Varsity Club fundraiser and one thing he said stood out to me the most……”Real game Experience may be the biggest factor in developing a young player.” we are starting to get some of that… also, these guys are playing “together” without losing some integral parts of the team. I think if you asked Crean, he would tell you he EXPECTS to win 18 and hopes to win 21 or so. We are 10 deep on the bench this year…. when was the last time you could say that? I feel really good about this season and the next few. We could earn back our old “Hurrying Hoosiers” real soon……

  • Anonymous

    Purdouche—I like that.

    I think those “game experience” and “playing ‘together’” comments are valid, too. For all intents and purposes, this team has been a brand new team for two consecutive seasons. There’s a lot to be said for just knowing your teammates’ tendencies; that’s how a lot of “lower level” teams knock off the big guys in the tournament–they’ve been together for 3 or 4 years.

  • Anonymous

    ABBB….SOOOO…..LOOTTTT……LEEEEE !!!

  • Rockme1

    it will make my season getting a W at rupp taken one from Purdue and rollin over Illinoise

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