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The Minute After: Iowa

by in The Minute After | January 24th, 2010

After some discussion on this after Thursday’s game, we’ve decided to change up the title of this guy. Onwards.

Well that was unexpected.

Coming off a terrific OT win against Minnesota at home a week ago, and the program’s first road Big Ten win under Tom Crean on Thursday at Penn State, IU faced an Iowa team tonight that’s just not all that good. They hadn’t won a Big Ten road game since March of 2008. They entered the contest 7-12, and only 1-5 in Big Ten play. The Hoosiers were favored tonight. And with the tide turning on this season, with the Hoosiers gaining a little bit of swagger and poise — a Big Ten winning streak! — this wasn’t just there for the taking; it was served up on a silver platter.

But instead of playing like they have all Big Ten season at home, these Hoosiers came out flat. Real flat. Central Illinois farmland flat. It was a performance reminiscent of their stinkers at Michigan or Ohio State. At no point did they show any semblance of offensive flow. The two runs they made in each half, where it looked like maybe they were going to sneak back into this one, Iowa came right back to extend the lead. The Hoosiers only had three — three! — assists tonight. They missed all nine of their 3-point attempts, marking the first time the program hasn’t hit a three since 2001. They turned the ball over 16 times. They shot a horrific 35.6 percent from the floor. (Verdell Jones was the lone competent offensive threat tonight. He hit 6-of-12 buckets and had 14 points.)

But the real story of this game was the boards. Iowa snagged 39 to IU’s 23. But 18 of those rebounds for Iowa were offensive. Add in the early points they got with dribble penetration, and it allowed them to completely dominate in the points in the paint department. They outscored IU in paint 34-16, and had 20 second-chance points to IU’s seven. That’s the story of the game right there. And in the second half, the Hawkeyes also added in what they do best: hitting the 3-point shot. They nailed 4-of-7 in the second half, and with the Hoosiers struggling to score, it helped put the game out of reach.

Most troubling is that Iowa didn’t have a particularly great game. The Hawkeyes scored 58 points, and had 21 turnovers. If I had just been given those two numbers having not watched this game, I would have figured the Hoosiers had won it handily.

You have to wonder why IU came out so flat tonight. Perhaps it was the game being pushed backed because of the Colts, and Assembly Hall being empty for its standards at tip-off. It was a point Dan Dakich brought up at halftime: The Hoosiers feed of the energy of the home crowd, and it wasn’t quite there for them in the first half. Perhaps it was just one of those nights. Perhaps the Hawkeyes were just due for a road win, and IU was ripe for the picking after possibly looking past this game.

And perhaps it’s because for all the strides this time has made in the last week or so, the fact remains: they are still young, they are still growing. There’s still work to be done.

  • Newms

    http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/team/gonzaga-bulld
    Gonzaga's roster. They may make mental errors, but they play hard – due to stellar coaching!

  • superhoops

    Pathetic performance. Out played and out coached. I guess this evens out the win at PSU. Most of us didn't think we could win that one and most of us didn't think we would lose this one. I'd like to chalk it up to youth, but considering Iowa starts 2 freshmen, 2 sophmores and 1 junior like us makes me wonder. They are rebuilding as well. I agree with the announcers who said this win for Iowa started with the end of the MSU game as they gained confidence. I'd argue our loss started with the win at PSU. We were over confident and haven't learned how to handle success yet. It will come, but we're not there yet.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com/ Matt_J

    Wow, that's just flat pathetic. Maybe it's time to start taking off the rose-colored glasses…

  • J_Dub

    That was pretty terrible tonight. I was watching on BTN and couldn't stomach our lack of offensive flow. It was an absolute joke. I don't blame this all on Crean…only half. The other half is directly on the players shoulders. My observations…

    - Dumes reverted back to his old ways, and was in WAYYYY to long
    - Elston will never develop if he doesn't play. The times i saw him in, he had a mostly positive impact (rebound, layup, and 2 point jumper). He did get lost on defense a few times, BUT LET HIM DEVELOP!!!
    -Moore and Hulls in at the same time is a terrible backcourt combo
    -VJIII continues to get his
    -Pritch…I just don't know anymore. I want him to play well, but he just struggles.
    -Hulls didn't know what to do tonight. I saw hesitation on his part…he didn't know if he should run the point or try to score.

    Do not take this as an attack on crean…I am just observing what I saw in the game…and most of it was pretty terrible.

  • J_Dub

    I have one question now…I just watched Rivers and Watford's post game comments via twitter. Both…and I mean BOTH said…”they wanted it more.” Neither acted demoralized, sad, humbled (rivers did slightly)…How do you respond with that answer. I was a student athlete and can remember not talking to anyone after a loss. These guys treat it like a PR opportunity. After watching that…I have no doubt that Iowa wanted this game more. I'm tired of seeing IU players give post game comments…this isn't the NBA.

  • Newms

    http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/team/gonzaga-bulld
    Gonzaga's roster. They may make mental errors, but they play hard – due to stellar coaching!

  • HoosierSmitty

    For the record – yes, that stunk – immensely.

    Is there another program out there that can actually be compared to the rebuilding currently going on at Indiana? I like Devan Dumes, I really do, but when a junior college transfer playing for is 3rd program is your senior leader, then you have problems.

    I mean I can't imagine that comparing us to anyone in the country is even realistic. This program was gutted and we're going to have plenty of bumps in the road. We got on a nice high after the Minnesota and Penn State victories, but this is Indiana basketball right now. We can lose a game to Iowa. Both teams aren't very good and we played worse. So what? We can lose to anyone. We're capable of let downs. Did anyone believe this wasn't the case?

    I am done thinking the sky is falling. Creek will heal. Roth will heal. These guys will keep learning and kids will continue to want to play for Indiana and Tom Crean.

  • valpohistory

    Not to be condescending but what point are you trying to make? If it's that they are a good team though they have youth, and you're taking a shot at CTC, they also have an all-american contender in Matt Bouldin that can just score at any time. Plus, they have a solid core of sophomores too that went to the NCAA tourney last year and have already been in the system and know how to win. Mark Few wasn't handed a team with one scholarship player either and asked to COMPLETELY rebuild. The team played flat today, not CTC's fault. All he can do is game-plan and give the kids adjustments.

  • valpohistory

    That is one of the best write-ups I have seen on the season.

  • valpohistory

    Be realistic. The team played terrible. Straight terrible and the kids will be the first to tell you that. We have problems. GLARING problems. However, the coaching staff is trying to address them. They've recruited guards because with Dumes leaving and Daniel Moore as our first guard off the bench (because the two guys hurt) they could use some serious depth there. I understand the thought that the team needs to recruit an impact big man, but my thought is that they are trying to recruit a big man, to no avail, or they believe that they can develop the size they have on the roster already and turn them into the big men they need, in that they can rebound and run the floor. Who else is excited about CTC talking about ditching the 3 guard system to start games? It will give us a better chance to see what Elston's got, but also so we really don't have to see D-Moore as the first/2nd guard off the bench. Does it move Hulls or Rivers to the bench? Does moving to more of a 3 big lineup create more opportunities for Bawa to get minutes, or does he keep getting garbage minutes? Does CTC develop Elston, Capo, CW and TP instead? There's a lot to chew on there and I realize all of these replies will be simply speculation, but with out a “The world is falling!” attitude, look at it with perspective and give me your thoughts.

    Thanks Fellas!

  • MillaRed

    Smitty, I am a fan of the vast majority of your posts, but how long is “the program was subjected to this, our players are experienced that” excuse gonna last?

    This was honestly the worst Hoosier performance I can remember. Worse than anything I saw last year because this team is so much better.

    I was embarrassed to be a Hoosier fan tonight. I don't even know where to start. I suppose ITH readers are getting tired of hearing what some think Crean has going on. So I'm not even gonna go there.

  • IUBB

    - Indiana won the National title with 2 first year Juco players in 1987….and the best coach

    - Rick Barnes took Texas to the NCAA's in his first year at Texas with 6 scholarship players

    - This recent recruiting class was deep but overrated from a quality standpoint. There were two top 100 guys and no 5 stars. Basically are “elite” recruits would be fill the squad out players at Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA, Kansas, Syracuse, Texas, Kansas.

    - For a complete disaster rebuild, Baylor's situation was probably the worse, someone was murdered

    - Michigan won with 5 freshman

  • ace132

    there wasnt much more to say i thought. judging by the fact that we got doubled in the rebound department, iowa definitely wanted it more. i agree though, I want to see some anger out of our players but the way interviews can get blown out of proportions, the simple answer was justified. I would also love to see someone step up as a leader and hold everybody accountable, send a statement. but right now IU is still searching for that guy

  • trailrunner

    IU cannot shoot free throws, they do not box out, and they seem not to know what they are doing or where they are supposed to be when they set up a half court offense. These are problems that should be corrected or taught by coaching. In my 4 years of playing high school basketball in Indiana I never saw one of our players throw an air ball during a FT. I have seen that twice now with IU. Good grief! I am just watching the games and trying to be objective. I like coach Crean, but IU had no business losing to Iowa at home. There is no valid excuse. We have better players, they are just as inexperienced, our gym. No excuses tonight. This was coaching in my opinion. I hope I am wrong. Coach, study Wooden and other great coaching philosophies. Sit Dumes or anyone else when they play ball hog. And teach these boys some fundamentals. I still support coach Crean but I am baffled by what I am watching. It is difficult to watcch.

  • floridahoosier

    Touche, millared! I was so embarrassed just sitting in my living room that I was glad that no
    one from Florida was with me! I’ve been watching the Hoosier since I was under ten years old, and I’ve never seen such a pathetic excuse for basketball! Every year I hear announcers say,
    “He’s just a freshman”, when at this point in time we are more than half way through the season folks! They are not new to the game! They are supposed to be a top ten class not bottom rung. By the way, how many top 150 players did Iowa have when they came in? I bleed cream and crimson, but last night I got sick to my stomach. Thanks for letting me as a guest vent. I feel better already.

  • cooper

    I agree with everything you wrote, and I've voiced my displeasure with all that too. In no way am I saying people should not criticize or question if its productive.

    Saying I wish Knight was coaching, we need more players from Indiana, and Crean sucks is not productive, its stupid

  • LGwalt

    At this point I don’t see any reason NOT to think so.

    by the way, YOU mentioned Barnes in his FIRST year, and compared him unfavorably to Crean.

    and to say “this is Indiana, not Baylor,” is not an argument. It is an appeal to emotion.

  • ldiu

    I was at the game and here is what I observed.

    Good: crowd/fans were super…….a little late arriving (as could be expected) but much larger than I thought.

    Bad: Agree with several comments about being unprepared and outcoached. Elston hits 2 nice shots to trigger an 11-0 run to get us back in the game and take the lead and he is taken out. Does TC not play him because he was recruited by Sampson? I simply don't understand. His defense is as good or better than any other player.

    Ugly: Pritchard's 2 free throws early in the game. 3 assits for the entire game!!! For those of us that watched the motion offense for many years, watching this NONMOTION offense is sickening.
    Guards (especially Rivers) dribble, dribble, dribble and then pass and stand.

  • hansschnier

    I have insider program information, and I can confirm that Elston doesn't play much because he was a Sampson recruit. Also, Crean ordered Tijan Jobe to “sweep the leg” on Matt Roth in practice. Why? Sampson recruit.

    Frankly, I find this troubling. There's more, but I don't want to get my source in trouble. I've said too much already.

  • lgwalt

    Not a whole lot of thinking went into your post.

    1. Indiana also had practically everyone back to go with those 2 JUCO players.
    2. Those 6 scholarship players at Texas were better, to a man, than what Crean had last year. Also, it was easier to rise in the Big 12.
    3. This class was accurately rated. Virtually every pre-season Big 10 ranking had IU in 10th or 11th place.
    4. And how did Baylor do in Year 2?
    5. Michigan won games with 5 FIVE STAR Freshmen, but finished behind IU's upperclassmen in the Big 10.

  • SteveEyl

    It certainly works for longer than a season and a half.

    That was a pathetic performance, no doubt. But Smitty is dead right. What's your answer? Fire the coach? That's not what the university needs now. I'm not even sure IU can afford it.

    Even if Crean's not the guy (and I don't think anyone can say yet), he might very well be the guy before the guy. This program is in such dissarray right now that even become a mid-level BT team is a huge task.

    Besides, Crean wasn't the guy letting Hawkeys waltz down the lane unopposed, or boxing out worse than my 7 year old daughter, or letting that fat kid make those threes.

  • JerryCT

    Offensive Rebounding Analysis:

    The typical sequence was Hulls and Jones etc got beaten into the lane ,TP and Capo leave their man to help, bother the shot, shot misses, TP/Capo man makes put back. The offensive rebound situation starts with the weak perimeter D by Hulls and Jones. This is precisely the case for playing Dumas more but last night he made no differerence.

    On Moore:

    He played becasue his D was 10 times better than Hulls.

    On Crean:

    Our 1/2 court game here at midseason is still pathetic. Is he trying to force players to adapt to his favorite style or should he adapt to the style the kids can play best ?

  • cooper

    Lets just call it what it was, a really pathetic performance from everyone. I'm not going to get too worked up about it until I see what happens the next game.

    I'd rather talk about something else and thats how insanely fractured the IU fan base is. Its probably the worst in the country. Reading all the comments on the live blog and on here its really gotten sad. (I'm not talking about questioning how the team plays either, I do that as much as anyone).

    Between the people that only want Knight to coach, to those who think IU should have a Knight disciple, to those who want only kids from Indiana on the team, to those who wish we hired a different coach, etc etc.

    Its time for some people to put on their big boy pants, get some perspective and realize Knight isn't going to be coming to Assembly Hall anytime soon and he sure as hell isn't coaching the team. I wish IU could have gotten a more proven coach too, but the fact is NOBODY wanted the job. Tony freakin Bennett or whatever his name was didn't even want the job. Crean was the best IU could do, and he may very well become a great coach and he may very well not. The sense of entitlement that IU should be great because they were 25 years ago needs to end.

    The tradition of IU doesn't mean anything to anybody but the fans. Recruits can pick from 10 schools with great tradition and more recent success.

    As I've said before I went to FSU for grad school so I've seen two great coaches pushed out. As much as half the fans were pissed Bowden got forced out, the fans have still supported the team and Jimbo Fisher and shown a lot more class than a lot of IU fans.

    If Crean can't turn it around in a couple years I'll be the 1st to say fire him, but he at least needs a chance. I'll still criticize when I want and when I have questions I'll question but I always support the team.

  • MillaRed

    I don't think anyone wants Crean fired. Fact is we are seeing what we have and at times it is surprisingly dissappointing.

    We go to a 1-3-1 again “3-point swish” We go to an extended zone in the second half “3-point swish” The poor guy just can't get a break.

    I think most of us feel that making rebound adjustments are a standard practice and that just didn't happen. It was like watching an 15 year old play Nerf Hoop with his 8 year old little brother on the offensive glass.

    And none of us can figure out the situation with Elston. Tijan got in there before Derek last night.

  • MillaRed

    By the way Cooper you make a good point regarding who would take the IU coaching job. Something we all quiockly forgot perhaps when CTC did his thing.

    If he isn't the man for the long haul (and I still believe he is) at least we know the prgoram will be in good shape and more lucrative for a big name coach to follow him.

  • chitowniufan

    I completely agree with Elston not getting enough PT. CTC will leave Rivers in all day after committing multiple bad plays. Elston gets pulled after playing 2-4 min regardless of what he does. If you look back to the PS game IU wins wins with Rivers on the bench. Rivers is a trainwreck. If CTC is going to start a 2 guard offense, then halve Rivers court time and give it to Elston. There is no reason Elston should be be playing 30 min a game.

  • ldiu

    I gree 100% with you. I think they should try Elston at “big guard”. I saw him play it in high school (I know college is more difficult) and he was dominate. Everyone (except TC) agrees that he is being shortchanged with playing time. Either small forward or big guard would be nice. I cannot understand why he, Watford and Pritchard cannot play at the same time for several minutes.

  • cooper

    I agree with everything you wrote, and I've voiced my displeasure with all that too. In no way am I saying people should not criticize or question if its productive.

    Saying I wish Knight was coaching, we need more players from Indiana, and Crean sucks is not productive, its stupid

  • IUBB

    2.. Crean is in his second year not his first year
    3. You are correct Rivals, etc. ratings are based on cumulative stars and not average stars. Crean did well with the the volume part of the equation but as it relates to average stars he did mid level Big Ten work.
    4. “This is Indiana”….not Baylor

    - Do you really feel we are on are way to being a yearly top 10 with a legit run for the Championship every 4 years?

  • JerryCT

    “will to fight, screening, blockouts, 3 guard lineup ” were the themes of Crean's post game comments. I count myself as a big fan of the coach despite my criticisms at times.

    IF Problem = Will to fight THEN 1) Play Dumes more , 2) Start him to set the tone, he fought more than anybody last night ( inconsistent results however )

    IF Problem = Blockouts THEN 1) play more man Defense IMO but this means less Hulls/Jones playing time , again more Dumes and even Moore since it is very difficult for bigs to block out their man when they are defending an open driving guard, 2) fewer perimeter screens from TP who is then far from the bucket

    IF Problem = Screening THEN 1) change the offensive scheme to include off ball screens until every player is proficient. Right now TP is our only screener with any success

    IF Problem = 3 Guard Lineup THEN 1) replace Hulls w Capo/Elston, 2) rotate Hulls for Rivers only and Jones for Dumes only

    Not trying to be the coach here or exposing my ” minimum wage ” career just trying to foster some discussion that is toward positive changes vs heavy criticism of coach and players right now. I doubt they need more crap

  • HoosierSmitty

    Trust me, I agree that it's tiresome to hear that same old excuse – from the fans and from the coach. It's just the unfortunate truth.

    And I grew tired of saying it and hearing it to the point I've been pretty critical of where things are going. BUT, I just don't think anyone should think the sky is falling. That's all I'm trying to say.

    It's not like we were THAT GREAT on a yearly basis before the program was sent into the bowels of the Big Ten. I think a lot of fans “misremember” how good the program was even in Knight's final years. We were hanging on to respectability for a long time before Crean came along and he's just trying to pick up the pieces.

    I don't have a problem with people being critical. I'm disgusted with the rebounding last night. Letting a team get offensive rebounds like that made me sick. It's middle school junk and we shouldn't see that happen on a college basketball court. Three assists? Are you kidding? It's sad, but hey we lost to Loyola, too. That's just what happens with a team like ours, so I can't be too surprised about it.

    Even so, I yelled and kicked and punched the air, the couch, the pillows, (trying to lay off of things that might hurt me back) until I couldn't take it anymore. It was miserable.

    I hate admitting that it's going to take longer than we thought to “be back.” And who knows what that really means anymore. We have a great tradition, but tradition isn't now.

  • TWiz

    Such a tough outing to watch after being pumped up for such a big sports day for the whole state with a great Colts win starting it off. I still have a hard time figuring CTC’s motives for what he does during games. It seemed that everytime an individual player started to get things going he was relegated to the bench. We saw that with both Watford and Elston. Way too many minutes for D. Moore towards the last 10 min of second half when we needed scorers on the court. I love Pritch because he plays hard but I believe Elston brings much more talent and scoring ability to the table. You are not going to develop players by having them watch too much from the bench. Does Rivers ever hit any of those shots in practice? If not don’t try them in the games!! Not enough playing ABOVE the rim for my taste. With several opportunities down low we should be bringing down the freakin’ rim at times. Is there no “hops” with this team. Players 6’8 above should be able to slam down the throats of the rim. Just frustrated I guess.

  • MillaRed

    I think this particular game fell into the, “I never thought I would see an IU team play this badly in my life” category. Regardless of rebuilding etc.

    I'm throwing in the fact we pulled off a few good wins, and then sunk down so low. I kept waiting for the guys to make a run but it just got worse.

    Rivers jump shot? I hate to beat a dead horse but for an NBA championship coach's son to shoot that badly is remarkable!

  • IU HOOPS

    Crean should write a book on how to lose games. He lacks the coaching ability to execute on the offensive end. Just like when Crean was at Marquette—give it time and the rest of you will see. Marquette relied purely on individual talent to score. Our youth is no excuse and not to blame. Crean can’t run an offense. Watch the offensive sets after Crean calls a time-out for a play…pathetic. What does Crean bring? Energy and enthusiasm. But enthusiasm doesn’t win games.

  • Ryan_Btown

    First of all, it's completely disgusting that we only scored 43 points last night. Second, I'm still amazed at the CTC talk that goes on after a loss? You all keep asking when the “youth and inexperience” excuse gets old and runs out? I would ask, what were your expectations of the season? You didn't expect let downs? And after we lost our best scorer, you expectations didn't change? Let me ask this. You would like us to be Top 10. Me too. Let's look at the Top 10 teams right now. Where do we stack up in size? Let's put talent aside. Did anyone else notice that when we played Kentucky, they looked like a team of thoroughbreads versus our undersized, guard heavy team. The fact is, CTC is concentrated on building up their mentallity of “toughness” because they aren't big enough or strong enough to be physically tougher than most teams we'll play. Should we have beat Iowa? Absolutely. But we're 9-10 with 3 Big 10 wins. We're not very good, but we're getting better. We're mildly talented but inconsistant, which I consider to be better than consistantly bad and occassionally lucky (see last year's team). So before the season we all said we'd beat Iowa. Fine. But before the season many of us probably didn't expect to beat Minnesota, so they cancel out if you ask me. I'm fine with 12 wins this year, which is what I think we'll end up with. And I'm fine with 17 wins next year, which is probably in the realm of possibilities. After next year, if in Tom Crean's 4th season with us, we aren't ready to go to the Dance, then sure, let's discuss it. But right now? Come on.

  • cooper

    good post, agree with most all of your points.

    I'll add one more to the screening problem. the guy with the ball needs to actually wait for the screen to arrive before he starts to dribble. Half the moving screens called are the result of the guy with the ball.

  • hansschnier

    As valpohistory pointed out below, Gonazaga is a highly-functioning basketball program, and has been for quite some time. It's one thing to be disappointed by yesterday's debacle, and it's something else completely to make pointed comments about “stellar coaching” at other programs.

    Perhaps–and I'm serious–you should follow the Colts or another college basketball team for a while. Some sports fans can't handle following a losing program. I agree it's frustrating: each step forward (Pitt, Minnesota and Penn State) seems to be met with a step back. But on the balance, I believe the program is in better shape this year than it was last year. It's inappropriate AT THIS TIME to demand certain results at certain times. A few years down the road we can afford to evaluate individual game results more critically.

    I'm sorry to snap on you, but comparing our program to Gonzaga's is not apt. Mark Few has been at Gonzaga for 21 years, starting when he was a grad assistant. He knows the ins and outs of winning at Gonzaga. Crean needs to time figure out the ins and outs of winning at Indiana, but he's also saddled with the responsibility of rebuilding the program's infrastructure. As you know, that's going to take a little more time. So lay off the comparisons. There's a chance that Crean might not be the right person for IU, but it's too early to tell.

  • hansschnier

    Heh. Brennan Cougill. I was secretly rooting for him, because he looks a chubbier, inexplicably-much-better-at-basketball version of me.

  • hansschnier

    There were multiple performances under Davis that were as bad as last night's. None under Sampson that I can think of. And there were some games under Knight that were just as bad: I can't remember specific years, but blowouts versus Kentucky (when they had Derek Anderson) and at Minnesota and Michigan (I believe Maceo Baston was on their team then.)

    I understand your dissapointment, but to say that you'd never think you'd see an IU team play this badly in your life suggests that you were in a coma during the Davis years.

    I think IU played just as badly at OSU this year, but last night was harder to stomach because the game was winnable at the outset.

  • hansschnier

    “Do you really feel like we are on are way to being a yearly top 10 team with a legit run for the Championship every 4 years”?

    No. I don't. That's an unrealistic goal, anyway. That doesn't describe Indiana under Knight, who was perhaps the college game's best coach. So, no, I don't expect that. If you do, you should stop following IU basketball. You'll be forever disappointed, and the rest of us will be subjected to your “This is Indiana” nonsene and non-sequitur lists of achievements.

  • MillaRed

    The coma comment probably wasn't necessary. But your points are taken.

    Still yet, I will stick by my opinion that I do not recall IU looking worse than they did last night. Maybe as bad, but not worse, Davis era or not.

    Is there anything more demoralizing than watching a team chuck up a horrible shot and get the offensive rebound? 18 times! For those of you with DVR out there, play it back a few times and watch our bigs stand around and let it happen for 40 minutes.

  • hansschnier

    I understand your frustration.

    However, think about some of the things you've posted.

    “This was coaching in my opinion”

    Well, you've seen Indiana play better this season. Do you think that Crean “coached” Indiana to play worse against Iowa than Penn State?

    Crean: Okay guys, nice couple of wins, seems we're about to turn a corner here, but hey, I think our fans are getting a little complacent. Let's play badly on purpose against Iowa! (clap clap clap)

    Does that sound realistic to you? Last night's abject performance seemed to me to be a failure of execution on the part of the players. In other words, they were failing to do things that they've done effectively prior in the season. I suppose you could place some blame for that on the coaching staff. Perhaps was team wasn't prepared well enough. But those of us who weren't in practice leading up to the game wouldn't know that; it's just conjecture.

  • hansschnier

    IU needs more dominate players on their team, IMO.

  • hansschnier

    This a nice example of being critical without being stupid and over the top.

    I wish I could contribute to the basketball discussion, but I really don't know anything about basketball. I just like to watch.

    It does seem unusual, however, that Watford and Elston aren't on the floor together very often. Jerry, I've enjoyed your analysis of what Pritchard brings to the team when he's on the floor. In your opinion, is there a good reason why Elston and Watford aren't played as a forward tandem?

  • Guest

    here is my issue. what the heck kind of offense are we running here? IMO all i see is dribble drive offense and when you dont have those type players (see the whole kentucky roster) who can create their own shot then it just does not work. Now in no way am I calling for Creans job or saying that we need Knight or a Knight prodigy. What I am saying is that Knight implemented a motion offense system. Constant motion, constant passing, wearing down the d until they get lazy and we get a good shot. Maryland killed us with the flex and its been successful at UCLA. With the players we have maybe we should go back to fundamental motion offense where there is constant movement and passing, instead of everyone standing around. A perfect example is Hulls. One huge aspect of his game is his passing ability at seeing the floor. But for some reason they just send him to the corner and he sits there. Right now he hasn’t been a consistent three point shooter so what is the point? How bout the Princeton offense? Back door cuts, again constant motion. Verdell gets a lot of credit for his mid range game but again he is a guy that can make those nifty passes that he could exploit defenses with on good cuts and set plays. I grew up in Bloomington and motion offense and fundamentals are a staple of true Indiana basketball from the elementary level up. It’s not flashy however with the type of players we have I think it would best suit our team. Am i crazy?

  • hooseyes

    IMO, there's two ways Crean can go with his offensive system…
    1) He can adjust his offense to his current personnel and maybe squeak out a couple games here and there now, then later (when he has the personnel to run the offense that he really wants) he can change and teach a new offense… But possibly at the risk of losing a few games that shouldn't be lost later on due to learning a new offensive system.
    2) He can force these guys to accept that they're going to have to learn his offense and figure out how to make it work, at the expense of games now that should be won (Iowa, Loyola) and hope that down the road, the experience pays off. When we actually have the personnel to run said offense it could pay huge dividends, or it could work out about the same as the other scenario…

    Either way its tough to watch at times right now, that's for sure.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Speaking after a game isn't a “pr opportunity” for these guys. It's a requirement. I've worked for an NBA team in public relations for several years, so I don't know the exact college rules, but some players HAVE to be available to the media, it's not their choice where they're going out and trying to pub themselves.

    I'm assuming it's a decision between Crean and the SID on who they select to speak to the media postgame.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    I think part of the situation with Elston is that we've been killed on the boards the last two games, and in those two games he has exactly ZERO defensive rebounds. For a 6'9″ guy that's unacceptable.

    In his defense, it's not like it's all his fault, but, he's got to be more active on the defensive glass when he's in there. His #1 thoughts coming into the game should be about rebounding and defense, the rest will take of itself.

  • http://www.prinsportsblog.com BGleas

    Great post Jerry! And, like hansschiner, I appreciate the constructive criticism! It's getting really old logging onto different IU boards and seeing all the Crean bashing after every loss.

    A big reason we lost this game was on the boards, and that's on the players who didn't come out with energy and ready to play. Where I criticize Crean is maybe some substitution patterns and I think maybe we should have gone to a press earlier in the game in an effort to force tunrovers and get some easy buckets to spark the offense.

  • MillaRed

    Can you thumb through the 40 plus comments here and point out where someone asked for Tom Crean's departure from IU?

    We have basketball awareness amongst ITH readers and we're just pointing out things that seem fixable. The team looked completely out of sync do you agree? Well, some of that can fall back on the coach. That's all we're saying.

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