Jeebus: IU punishes itself for extra recruiting call

I should really be asleep right now, but I just checked my e-mail on my phone quick and Jerod over at Midwest Sports Fan dropped this in my inbox: the Indy Star is reporting the basketball staff made one phone call too many to Bawa Muniru during a week in October. When the violation was discovered, IU punished itself by not making calls for a week in December.

Let’s go to the details:

According to the report, when assistant coach Roshown McLeod left a voice mail for Muniru on Oct. 25, it was the school’s third call to him in a week — exceeding the NCAA limit by one.

Coach Tom Crean, who normally makes one call per week to recruits, placed two to Muniru — the Sunday and Wednesday before McLeod’s call on a Saturday.

The report said Crean “simply made a mistake,” thinking his Sunday call had counted against the previous week’s allotment. The athletic department’s compliance department discovered the violation.

On the surface, not the hugest deal. As we all know, schools report minor, secondary violations like this all the time. It happens.

But, considering Kelvin Sampson’s past transgressions, this is about the worst secondary violation Tom Crean and his staff could have picked up in his first year at the helm, as far as a PR standpoint in concerned.

Again, this is nothing more than a minor mistake, one that IU was right to self-report. We’ll survive. But man, I’d feel far better right now if it was something that had absolutely nothing to do with a phone.

  • JerryCT

    I am not defending KS but real time monitoring of this rule is incredibly difficult. Most all colleges could not even catch it after the fact..

    Based on IU's defense to the NCAA we are in the top 10% at doing this. I am not surprised we caught it so soon after the fact despite the difficulty. This report actually makes me feel real good about out compliance

  • JerryCT

    I am not defending KS but real time monitoring of this rule is incredibly difficult. Most all colleges could not even catch it after the fact..

    Based on IU's defense to the NCAA we are in the top 10% at doing this. I am not surprised we caught it so soon after the fact despite the difficulty. This report actually makes me feel real good about out compliance

  • CutterInChicago

    This shows us a few things: 1) we are clearly monitoring this issue, 2) that this rule is one of those best described as “best intentioned, least practical” rules on the books and 3) one “extra” phone call based on a misunderstanding of when a NCAA week begins and ends is not anything to get uptight about.

    I understand the phone call rule and why it was enacted (to eliminate a perceived recruiting edge to those coaches who continue to “cold call” recruits to keep them committed to the program or to get such a commitment – honestly, if Kelvin Sampson went up against Lloyd Braun and George Costanza, he'd sell way more computers than those two guys) but the phone call rule is largely impractical and this sort of thing demonstrates just why its a form of legislated lunancy. Not to defend Kelvin Sampson, but let's remember that he was not giving $1000 handshakes, having boosters buy players cars etc. He was a serial, pathological phone caller incapable of following the rules (and I sort of view this inability as a possible “gateway” violation – how long would it have been before he might have started doing that sort of really bad behavior…). All that is in the past, well except for one extra phone call, but I think Crean is someone who plays by the rules and that he'll get us turned around in the next 2-3 years.

  • CutterInChicago

    This shows us a few things: 1) we are clearly monitoring this issue, 2) that this rule is one of those best described as “best intentioned, least practical” rules on the books and 3) one “extra” phone call based on a misunderstanding of when a NCAA week begins and ends is not anything to get uptight about.

    I understand the phone call rule and why it was enacted (to eliminate a perceived recruiting edge to those coaches who continue to “cold call” recruits to keep them committed to the program or to get such a commitment – honestly, if Kelvin Sampson went up against Lloyd Braun and George Costanza, he'd sell way more computers than those two guys) but the phone call rule is largely impractical and this sort of thing demonstrates just why its a form of legislated lunancy. Not to defend Kelvin Sampson, but let's remember that he was not giving $1000 handshakes, having boosters buy players cars etc. He was a serial, pathological phone caller incapable of following the rules (and I sort of view this inability as a possible “gateway” violation – how long would it have been before he might have started doing that sort of really bad behavior…). All that is in the past, well except for one extra phone call, but I think Crean is someone who plays by the rules and that he'll get us turned around in the next 2-3 years.

  • Kelin Blab

    Can't wait til how long before http://www.firetomcrean.com goes up?

    Remember the days when http://www.firemikedavis.com was the hottest website in Indiana…

  • Kelin Blab

    Can't wait til how long before http://www.firetomcrean.com goes up?

    Remember the days when http://www.firemikedavis.com was the hottest website in Indiana…

  • MillaRed

    I understand why this was reported and time will only tell how the media handles it. There is little to report in the sports world right now so I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN is sending a crew over in a Leer jet to see how they can over-analyze the whole thing. Can someone shed some more light on baseball and steroids? Please, please I want to read about that every day this year!!!

    This sort of thing happens daily across the country. We're just hypersensitive for obvious reasons. If they are wondering if this needs any more attention just look at our record and let us know how all those extra Sampson calls worked out for the program.

  • MillaRed

    I understand why this was reported and time will only tell how the media handles it. There is little to report in the sports world right now so I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN is sending a crew over in a Leer jet to see how they can over-analyze the whole thing. Can someone shed some more light on baseball and steroids? Please, please I want to read about that every day this year!!!

    This sort of thing happens daily across the country. We're just hypersensitive for obvious reasons. If they are wondering if this needs any more attention just look at our record and let us know how all those extra Sampson calls worked out for the program.

  • tnhoosierfan

    I am sure ESPN and the Indy star will make a big deal out of it. I really do not care if coach Crean or his staff made a mistakes, it happens. No funny business going on like there was with Sampson and his cronies. If you dug a bit and looked at others schools you would find that this happens alot. I believe coach Crean plays by the rules and am not worried about it a bit. I for one am looking forward to next season and am excited about the future of IU bball!

  • tnhoosierfan

    I am sure ESPN and the Indy star will make a big deal out of it. I really do not care if coach Crean or his staff made a mistakes, it happens. No funny business going on like there was with Sampson and his cronies. If you dug a bit and looked at others schools you would find that this happens alot. I believe coach Crean plays by the rules and am not worried about it a bit. I for one am looking forward to next season and am excited about the future of IU bball!

  • BFowler

    There was a little more going on during the Sampson year/s than just phone calls (although there were way too many for Mr. Brand's taste). Let's compare apples to apples, but I will say this is absolutely the LAST thing I wanted to hear….

  • BFowler

    There was a little more going on during the Sampson year/s than just phone calls (although there were way too many for Mr. Brand's taste). Let's compare apples to apples, but I will say this is absolutely the LAST thing I wanted to hear….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1426836297 Peabody Tizzlecut

    So I guess we are going to start hammering Tom Crean now like we did Kelvin, once again this is further proof how overboard ITH and alot of fans went when they hammered Kelvin as bad as they did, did he mess up? Sure, but the NCAA chose to throw us to the wolves while Pete Carroll sits out at USC cheating all day long and in much worse ways than a couple phone calls.

    Im still waiting on the NCAA to react to the Reggie Bush COURT CASE, where he and his family got a house, money, plane tickets and much more. How bad does a rule violation have to be to go to a federal court, all the while the NCAA chosses to ignore the alligations and let Pete get away with recruiting murder. But we make some phone calls and we go from a possible final four team to outed in the first round to playing 9 freshman the next year.

    You people need to wake up and direct your anger at the real culpret here, the NCAA and stop getting amped about the crap you read on blogs.

  • BGleas

    I agree that the phone call rule is not nearly the worst rule being broken in college basketball, but I also don't have a huge problem with the rule itself. I think Crean's mistake here was exactly that, a mistake, not some effort to circumvent the rules.

    Back to the phone call rule, I think you need to take into account that if Sampson is calling recruits way above the limit, and he's probably not the only coach doing it, then how many phone calls is a recruit/high school kid getting in a week?

    I played college basketball at the D2 level and I remember in high school most nights I would go to my girlfriends house in the evening just so I didn't have to be on the phone half the night. Sunday's were the worst since it started a new week and coaches wanted to be the first to call you, and like I said I played D2, so I was by no means some major recruit. I can't imagine what it's like for some major D1 recruit getting 30 calls a night. Just a different angle to think about when discussing this rule.

  • http://www.xl950.com CoveyDale

    i loved that site.

  • Taskmaster75

    You should probably read some of the comments here before you say we are going overboard, because I am pretty sure that most of the people here are intelligent enough not to overreact.

    Now, I agree, the NCAA is the root of the problem here, and for the exact reason you said, inconsistency. They choose to punish us for phone calls, while OJ mayo and Reggie Bush have a grand old time in SoCal. It's really stupid, and I think that the fact that we weren't one of the top teams in the NCAA and USC had great football and college teams had something to do with it, but that's just me, the conspirator.

  • MillaRed

    I'm reading through these entries and I don't see anyone attacking Crean. Just showing moderate concern under the circumstances. Perhaps I missed something?

  • CutterInChicago

    Peabody, love your name

    And I agree with Taskmaster75, the ITH blog tends to be one of the more reasonable places to find discussion of IU hoops. So far, I've not seen anyone hammer on Crean and I doubt anyone will. So far, no one is amped up on crap they've read here (from what I've seen)
    IMO, the Sampson issue was, he was hired (somewhat inexplicably) with a history of over 500 impermissible calls, he then began to violate that same rule almost immediately upon arrival in Bloomington, and then threw IU under the bus after getting us in hot water with the NCAA.
    Is the NCAA silly? Yep. Your points re: USC are valid and will likely go without a single sanction against them. Is the phone call rule silly? Yes and no. As indicated below, it is designed to prevent perceived recruiting advantages to programs who employed the ol' AT-5000 Autodialer to tell recruits how much they like them etc. It seems a rule that is bound to trip people up in honest mistakes (i.e. a few extra phone calls in a week as opposed to hundreds).

  • CutterInChicago

    Peabody, love your name

    And I agree with Taskmaster75, the ITH blog tends to be one of the more reasonable places to find discussion of IU hoops. So far, I've not seen anyone hammer on Crean and I doubt anyone will. So far, no one is amped up on crap they've read here (from what I've seen)
    IMO, the Sampson issue was, he was hired (somewhat inexplicably) with a history of over 500 impermissible calls, he then began to violate that same rule almost immediately upon arrival in Bloomington, and then threw IU under the bus after getting us in hot water with the NCAA.
    Is the NCAA silly? Yep. Your points re: USC are valid and will likely go without a single sanction against them. Is the phone call rule silly? Yes and no. As indicated below, it is designed to prevent perceived recruiting advantages to programs who employed the ol' AT-5000 Autodialer to tell recruits how much they like them etc. It seems a rule that is bound to trip people up in honest mistakes (i.e. a few extra phone calls in a week as opposed to hundreds).

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