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“I think the majority would want him to stay”

by Alex Bozich in Media | February 18th, 2008

sampson.jpgNew York Times columnist William C. Rhoden offered up an alternative view this morning on Kelvin Sampson. Unlike countless mainstream media opinions we’ve read over the past six days, Rhoden offered support for the embattled Indiana coach. Here’s a piece of what Rhoden had to say:

Let me make the case for Sampson to remain at Indiana. One more chance. He has clearly blundered — maybe twice. Once at the University of Oklahoma and now, according to an N.C.A.A. report, at Indiana, which hired him in 2006. In pursuit of players, Sampson cannot seem to keep his fingers off speed dial.

But if McRobbie hasn’t made up his mind, he should step back, tap into a significant, mostly silent, number of faculty members and Indiana supporters who would like to see Sampson remain as the coach.

Before I continue any further, I must say that I seriously doubt that there is still a significant number of Indiana supporters who would like to see Sampson remain as the coach. There might be some, but to call the number significant is a stretch. Now, let’s continue with more of Rhoden’s column:

One of them is John A. McCluskey Jr., a professor of Afro-American studies at Indiana and an adjunct professor of English. McCluskey arrived at the Bloomington campus in 1977, a year after Indiana went 32-0 and won the national championship. A former football player at Harvard — he was the first African-American quarterback in the Ivy League’s modern era — McCluskey saw the great years at Indiana, then the mediocre ones, when the game seemed to have passed Knight by. He was a witness to the ordinary Davis teams.

“What I would like to see happen is that he stay on, he gets censured one more time, but he’s on that short leash again,” McCluskey said Sunday from Bloomington. “It’s a divided campus here. I think the majority would want him to stay, particularly after last night.”

If the latest poll we took here on Inside the Hall is any indication of the pulse of the fanbase, 83% of you say that Sampson should be fired. Nothing against Rhoden, he’s a great columnist for the best newspaper in the country, but I think he totally dropped the ball with this piece. He found one person willing to speak out in support of Sampson and transformed that into support that doesn’t exist.

Let’s wrap this up with a couple of questions:

1) Do you really believe there is a part of the fanbase that would like Sampson to stay? (His family and the players don’t count.) Particularly, if there are any of you that want to see him stay, please post a comment or if you think you’ll incite a riot, just drop me an email. I’d like to hear your logic.

2) And the crazy question to consider, what would be the reaction, if by some miracle, Sampson survived? (Not going to happen.)

  • ricky
    iu would recieve a severe backlash if they kept sampson and the negative pr would be very tough for iu's players to handle. iu would get killed even more than they already have in the national media, and while that might not matter to some, it reflects badly upon the school and its administration. iu would lose a lot of credibility and it could really hurt the team in the long run
  • kelin
    Big A-

    I can't answer the first one cause I want him fired. But if he survives.....after reading your article, this is the first time I have thought about it. My reaction would be GREAT dissapointment and fear of the what I believe the NCAA will do. I believe the NCAA wants to come down hard on KS and they will do so if he is not fired which would include: Banning IU from post season play and loss of more scholarships. I think if that were to happen the FURY of the IU faithful would be ugly and they would HAVE to fire Sampson
  • HoosierSmitty
    The NCAA will crush us if we keep him, rather than just break our fingers.
  • barkerc
    Rhoden is an awful columnist and probably only supports Sampson because he's African-American, which is who he always supports, no matter the situation. I'm honestly surprised he didn't claim we're firing Sampson because he's not white.
  • JOe Bob
    Sampson is Native American. He's not Black.
  • ronb
    Perhaps you need to take another poll. After the Michigan State game some people
    seem to think the media and ESPN have gone over the top with this story. The poll now on the Hoosier Scoop site shows some change. Even the articles in the Star show comments from Purdue fans who think ESPN and Dick were shameful with their comments. I think if he lied he should be fired and Greenspan should go also. If IU'S investigation this week does not support the NCAA comments that he lied then I believe he should remain as coach until a final ruling is done in June.
  • kelin
    OK did anyone hear on KS radio show DJ is playing?
    Hoop Scoop just reported it......can't find the station in Indy?
  • HoosierSmitty
    What I really want to know is what is so different now than when IU came out with the results of its own investigation? Yes, yes, I know he supposedly lied according to the NCAA, but we could have made that some determination ourselves...yet many of us (myself included) just hoped and prayed that it would go away and IU's self-imposed sanctions were enough.

    Instead, we allowed an assistant to be thrown under the bus.

    Nothing that entirely new has come to light. The NCAA did not release anything mind blowing. Other than the allegations of lying, this is pretty much the same stuff we already knew. So why are we calling for his head now? Yes, I say he should go, but what about this now makes us say...bye bye Sampson? Is it because the NCAA now has evidence that proves he was lying, when we all probably could have figured that out ourselves?

    I've tried to sit back and look at the situation and the fervor around his resignation. It just seems like when IU caught him, we said as fans "well, he probably knew what was going on, but maybe he didn't, so we'll let it go. Yeah, we're glad you punished him IU, but he's still our coach. It was just phone calls."

    Now it's "Oh the NCAA dropped the hammer and he's got to go. He's a cheater and a liar and I'm not going to support this guy as our coach."

    I still think Sampson should be sent packing, but looking back on it now, I am asking myself, why did I not voice this same disgust initially? Why would IU let him go now, when the administration did not let him go after they uncovered the violations on their own. It makes me wonder if the administration is going to step up this time and do what it probably should have done at the conclusion of its own findings.

    I would not be entirely shocked if IU's president stepped up to the podium at the end of the one-week period and said. "At this time, Coach Sampson is going to remain our coach and we will take the full 90 days to respond to the NCAA's allegations." In other words...at this time, we're effectively killing recruiting for the next several years at Indiana University.

    Just stuff I've been thinking about ...
  • TXHoosier
    Perhaps longwinded, but definitely well-said. The thought of greater NCAA sanctions and the recruiting impact of dragging this into June certainly has me scared. I join you in kicking myself now in rationalizing away the infractions from October. I say fire (or suspend, keeping in mind the O'Brien mess) him now, tag Dakich as the interim, and cross our fingers that they can regroup over the next couple weeks for a tourney run. Oh, and a few lit candles at shrines for DJ White's knee couldn't hurt, either...

    (Is it too early to start thinking about luring away Scott Drew for next year? I have no idea about his contract, etc., but anyone who's pulled Baylor out of such a mess so quickly at least has to be given a look.)
  • HoosierSmitty
    Geez...I went on a little longer there than I knew...sorry guys....
  • kelin
    Hoosiersmitty....
    I agree 100% and I rationalized it out when IU caught in comparison to the NCAA. What has happened is this....the fear of the NCAA coming down on IU we don't want as opposed to IU coming down on IU.

    We were all comfortable with the self imposed sanctions IU did on KS but now that the NCAA seems to want KS head on a platter we want nothing to do with is. Also the word "major" has been thrown around as a hint they are taking this waaay more seriously than IU.
  • Timmy
    1. Saying there is no part of the fan base that would like to have Sampson stay is bullshit considering hearing the fans chanting his name at Saturday's game.
    2. Your 83% poll was also crap. As I recall, you had around 800+ votes and when has any of your polls had that much participation. I bet a lot of the votes were from fans from rival schools.
    3. Finally, the reaction would be vigorously disproving the ncaa's allegations after a deep run in the ncaa tourney and have an outstanding freshman class led by Ebanks come in and kick ass.
    4. Support IU, you sellout!
  • To point #2, we've had more visitors lately due largely to the NCAA allegations. And the total number of votes was over 1,000.
  • HoosierSmitty
    Timmy is an angry angry man. I hope he monitors his vital signs frequently. Eat Cheerios and take some aspirin to help keep your heart healthy!
  • Timmy
    And wouldnt a lot of those "new" visitors be fans of other teams watching the internet zoo like we visit catspause.com after kentucky's latest meltdowns and illinois' boards after their last second losses? Support IU or get bent.
  • I'm a new visitor. I'd been looking for a good IU blog for a while, and then Fornelli at Fanhouse linked to the site and I followed it and fell in love. The Damon Bailey/Calbert Cheaney pictures hooked me. :D
  • Aw, Fornelli brought you here? Fornelli's our boy at MLB FanHouse, too.

    It's a small bloggernets world after all.
  • Chuck
    If IU had lost that Michigan State game, I am pretty sure the crowd at the game would have been acting different (not chanting his name). The student section rolls with the emotion of the current night's game. We need to get the program back where it should be... Fire Sampson, and hire a coach who does things the right way.
  • Timmy
    Yeah and IF KS and his wife were brother and sister he'd be the coach of kentucky. Point is we won and are prime for another banner and once we wins it and is proved innocent all of you fire Coach people can go root for purdue and illinois.
  • i'm not going to lie timmy, you are the worst poster on here.

    saying that IU fans that want sampson fired are anti-IU is like saying all people that hate President Bush are anti-American.

    i only wish i could live in your Sampson-loving communist world. tell me, will you stilll support IU when we have a new coach next season? Or will you follow Sampson to what ever junior college gives him a third chance to coach again?
  • kelin
    I think if he stays and hypothetically the allegations of lying get proved wrong, the NCAA can still punish IU for what they reported........and I think they would.....

    If KS stays our ass is grass with the NCAA and I think IU knows that. New Allegations or not....
  • JamesHardy
    IF he stays...and that's a BIG IF....IU would become the Huggy Bear Bearcats of Cincinnati. We'd be the LAUGHING stock of the NCAA.
  • HoosierSmitty
    What is the NCAA timetable once Indiana makes a decision? Does any know this or where to get info on it?

    Is it like the previous situation where the NCAA is free to make a decision on sanctions whenever it pleases? Or do they set a definitive timetable on when Indiana will find out what punishment will be handed down.

    This will certainly have an impact on who we are able to bring in as the coach if Sampson gets fired. It would be nice if that coach knew what he was getting in to, as well as our recruits.
  • ray
    i agree with your point exactly hoosiersmitty. iu needs to unleash sampson and bring in another body so that they can re-recruit some of the players coming to iu to play for sampson. some players are coming because it is iu, but most are coming because sampson is at the helm. we need to let these recruits know that iu basketball is still iu basketball and that a new coach is hired and ready to make another run at a national title.
  • tberry
    The following is a letter i wrote to the author. For some reason it wasn't deliverable. I tried twice:

    "After reading your article and specially this quote, “It’s a divided
    campus here. I think the majority would want him to stay, particularly
    after last night.”, I'm wondering how hard you had to look to find someone
    who wants Sampson to stay. This opinion is definitely in the minority.

    In all the blogs, forums, new interviews, everywhere, all that is
    expressed in Indiana is that Sampson had been given repeated chances and
    has knowingly and blatantly ruined IU Athletic reputation and should be
    fire along with the Athletic director Rick Greenspan.

    Maybe in New York winning will make any sin forgivable but not at Indiana
    University. Winning is expected but honesty is expected above all else.
    IU had not had a violation since 1960 and has been very proud of the fact
    that we don't cheat to win. We win because we are the best.

    This debacle might not hurt IU's national academic reputation but
    certainly has already hurt IU's moral position everywhere.

    President McRobbie needs to act immediately to let everyone know that
    he/IU will not condone the least impropriety much less repeated
    violations. At least Sampson and Greenspan need to be fired immediately.

    There is no doubt that Sampson is guilty. Either he is a liar or multiple
    recruits, parents and coaches are liars. It is evident that Sampson is
    the liar.

    Actually much of the damage to IU has already been done. I can't imagine
    that Sampson's contract doesn't have a clause allowing his removal if his
    action damage IU in any way.

    It is a real shame he threw his career and IU's reputation away for
    nothing. He is a good coach and the team played their best game against a
    quality opponent in the victory over MSU.

    However, we must get rid of Sampson and then take our lumps and do it the
    right way next time."
  • coachv
    seeing the pain and devastation on kelvin’s face, i just can’t believe he is the horrible, devious person everyone is making him out to be. if the media weren’t so eager to villianize at every opportunity, this wouldn’t be that big of a deal. damn vultures.
    first of all, these are NOT major violations. sampson did not make these phone calls, his staff did. everyone keeps talking about the impermissible calls sampson made. let’s try to keep the facts straight.
    secondly, i doubt sampson had any idea meyer gave a t-shirt and bag to elston. a t-shirt and bag!?! oh no! sampson saying hi to elston at summer camp and telling him he’s the type of kid he’d like to see become a hoosier… oh, the humanity.
    third, the ncaa report was basically a reiteration of iu’s findings of infractions with an ncaa caveat of “we think sampson’s a big fat liar” and the ncaa doesn’t like being lied to. to them, it’s the lie that makes it a MAJOR infraction. and we don’t know for sure that sampson is lying. maybe he just isn’t that bright.
    i challenge anyone to come up with a violation that would be considered more minor than these.
    sure, he’s responsible for the actions of his staff and one assistant has been fired. let’s not forget that sampson has also been adequately punished. half a million dollars, further recruiting restrictions and a loss of a scholly isn’t enough? if it wasn’t, iu should have fired him last fall.
    geez, look at what happened at florida state a couple of months ago. academic fraud for half the team for crissakes! the media wasn’t dragging bowden thru the mud. why not? even dave bliss didn’t get this treatment. how long until al sharpton figures out a way to pile on. some perspective, people.
    just looking at sampson and seeing how he interacts with his players, i think he’s a good influence and i hate to see his heart being ripped out. i believe he loves his players more than the coaching icon preceeding him here. i’ll be sorry to see him go.
  • "first of all, these are NOT major violations"

    um, yeah they are. you know why they are? because sampson was on probation from the NCAA for breaking the same rules once but ignored that and tried to get away with it again.

    "sampson did not make these phone calls, his staff did."

    yeah, you're right. in fact, i bet sampson had zero knowledge that any of these calls were illegal. i bet he had no idea that rob senderoff was patching him through to 3-way calls. i mean how could he know? it's not like he had ever been caught before doing the same....oh wait...

    "and we don’t know for sure that sampson is lying. maybe he just isn’t that bright."

    best kelvin sampson excuse ever!
  • ALH_00
    If KS is the coach in June when the NCAA hearing is held, it will only increase the possibility of a post-season ban as punishment, assuming the NCAA allegations be found to be true (and the NCAA hearing is being judged by the NCAA!!!). Firing KS doesn't guarantee that a post-season ban won't happen, but at least it his firing lowers the odds.

    In answer to the question, I would be shocked and disappointed if KS continued to coach this team. It may suck for the current players, it may result in the loss of one or more recruits, and it may not relieve the wrath of the NCAA, but it's a step in the right direction...imo the only direction.

    Like y'all said the other day, one great win doesn't change Sampson's inability to play by the rules. The NCAA has made KS public enemy No. 1 and they will punish him. If he is employed by IU at the time, IU will suffer long-term...not to mention the continued possibility that KS will ignore NCAA regulations. Let's begin the process of recovering from Sampson's arrogance...watching this team play the games will help.
  • HOO HOO HOO HOOSIER
    Firing Sampson now would be the worst decision we could possibly make.
    1. We will lose ALL recruits, EBANKS, HOLLOWAY, PRITCHARD, and ROTH in addition to seeing many transfers.

    2.Bassett was a Mike Davis recruit who Sampson convinced to stay, so now the man Bassett loves will be gone again.

    3. Brandon McGee and Eli Holman will leave, after receiving little to no playing time, especially due to the fact that Holman is just raw not injured.

    5. That leaves us with a team of Kyle Taber, JaMarcus Ellis, finklemerire, crawford, and maybe bassett.

    6. You ruin the season for guys who all decided to come not only play for IU, but specifically for SAMPSON. No Sampson would have meant no Eric Gordon, so stop trying to defend how we need to get rid of Sampson for these kids. they love him and will play their best for Sampson.

    7. Why fire him now when NO NEW allegations have come up? All the NCAA said was Sampson deceived them to the extent of his knowledge, it isnt like he made 500 more phone calls. How can they prove Sampson knew he was on the 3 way call? If they had evidence, it would do them no harm to come forward with it now, surely allowing IU to make the right call.

    8. DJ white will suffer greatly, and that is not fair to our senior captain.

    9. We will receive sanctions regardless, what if Sampson is found innocent? How do we defend his termination? Let him stay till he is found guilty or innocent, and then make your decision McRobbie.
  • Steve
    This is a very flawed argument. First, to think that all recruits will be lost because of a new coach? It is possible that a couple might leave, but they first have to get a release from IU and I am sure the new coach will attempt to convince them to stay. Armon Bassett and Xavier Keeling stuck around. Keeling leaving was more of a playing time and system issue I believe.

    I don't think Bassett will go anywhere, unless he just doesn't click with a new coach. Their is no logical explanation provided as to why McGee or Holman would leave based on a new coach coming in. With your argument it seems they would more likely stick around for a new coach with the hopes of more playing time (and no DJ or Mike White).

    Did EJ come specifically for Sampson or because he was not Mike Davis? I don't deny that the players have a relationship with KS. However Fife, Coverdale, Moye, etc. had the same relationship with Mike Davis. We saw the benefits of that for one season and then it led to the mess that the program finds itself in now.

    You fire Sampson now because you see how the NCAA is viewing the situation after they have reacted to the original investigation and gotten additional information that solidifies the infractions. Zero tolerance is zero tolerance. IU should learn from past mistakes and take a harder stand when they draw a line. If you think Sampson didn't know he was breaking special rules that were set for him, you are naive.

    While a love and respect what DJ White has done for the program over the last few years, I don't see how he could be a reason for the school to possibly mortgage their future. Also, as much as I want to see IU make a big run through March, I can't see them doing any better than the sweet 16. I don't believe that is a good enough reason to keep KS around when I think an interim coach could possibly do the same thing.

    Finally, the termination would be easily defended because the contract states that the school has the ability to fire Sampson if he is found to have broken any rules. If you believe the program will receive sanctions then you obviously believe rules have been broken.

    I apologize for the length of this post.
  • the best post from this entire week. excellent.
  • TimEOBrien
    Originally i wanted Kelvin fired the day this came out. After seeing Kelvin around his players (Not the victory!), the love and respect that they have for each other, I hope he doesn't get fired. I don't know how he could survive, or why, but even a suspension from Friday until the end of next season would be better, in my opinion, for the program than to just fire him.

    Hes such a passionate guy, who clearly loves his players, and his players clearly love him. Too bad hes too stupid not to lie.
  • michael jordan
    this might sound really stupid to some of you true crimson and cream fans but i really do think Sampson should not be fired until after the June hearing. what if the allegations arent true and he can prove that he never lied to the NCAA about anything and can clear all of this stuff then he is still the best for the coaching position at IU all his players love him proven fact after the game this weekend. what if IU does fire Sampson who is going to be the next coach we know one thing he aint going to recruit like sampson bringing these people in that no1 really knows about like jordan crawford who if given the oppurtunity will score just as well as EJ and Jamarcus Ellis the do it all guy who is the glue to this team. i say keep Sampson and let him prove that he is right and he will bring glory back to IU basketball
  • butch joyner
    I agree, Sampson should be given the chance to defend himself. The NCAA is like all monopolies, they think they are all powerful and how dare anyone question their motives, opinions and rulings. They have had a burr under their saddle since the day IU hired Sampson. I believe that has a great deal to do with these "MAJOR" violations.
    It would be interesting to see the money and man-hours they put into their investigation as opposed to what they have done with the FL ST mess. There may be pain short term in standing up to the NCAA but I would love for someone to finally say enough is enough. This is not a major violation and should not be cause for destroying a mans career. Phone calls people and a t-shirt. Come on, everyone knows this is nothing compared to what really goes on in big time athletic programs at most universities. It will take more than this for me to call for someones job.
  • Sean
    I believe the previous posts reflect the fact the relatively large contingent of IU fans who aren't ready to throw Sampson out on his ass before the NCAA's allegation that he lied is proven. As mentioned previously, the NCAA's has merely made allegations and has yet to provide proof that anything beyond what we were already aware of has gone on at IU. One specific point of note is that according to a member of the IU Athletic Board (either currently or formerly I am not sure), whose daughter attended law school with me at IU, the issue with the t-shirt/backpack is a complete non-starter. Every single player who attended basketball camp with Derek Elston received the same t-shirt/backpack on Sunday but Elston received his on Saturday because he was not returning to camp the next day. This example of the inaccuracy of the NCAA's allegations perfectly illustrates why we must wait until the facts come out before jumping to any conclusions. Prior to receiving this letter, everyone on this blog probably knew that the NCAA had it out for Sampson. How surprised would anyone be if some, if not all, of their allegations were false? Especially in light of the misinterpretation (at best) by the NCAA of the Derek Elston issue. We all have to remember, as stated by Butch Joyner, that the NCAA is a corrupt monopoly in the business of creating arcane rules that are only applied on an ad hoc basis. Their interest in this case is not the integrity of major college sports (if so I would assume they would spend more time on more egregious issues/violations) but rather to ensure that an individual who they have a problem with is punished to a level that is not commensurate with his (or his assistant's) actions. At this point we has IU basketball fans have two choices. 1. Let the NCAA run roughshod over the university and a good basketball coach by suspending or firing Sampson without gathering all the facts. 2. Stand up for our team's coach until we have evidence (not allegations) that he lied to the NCAA.

    While I know that we are all concerned with the repercussions of taking the second approach, we need to remember the nature of the organization we are dealing with and the importance of not allowing the potential for vindictive punishment to cloud our thinking. Many organizations/individuals with better histories of honesty and integrity than the NCAA have ruined the lives of their targets with false/unproven allegations. Need I remember everyone of Duke lacrosse? Significantly more serious allegations that were eventually proven to be demonstrably false. For what it is worth, the IU Athletic Board member I spoke to seemed much more concerned with the behavior of the NCAA than that of Kelvin Sampson. Also, if it is proven that he lied to the NCAA and IU we must fire him.
  • Just a KS fan
    I think there are a lot of people that still support Sampson, including myself. It seems to me like people are afraid to support him. Afraid that the mob will ridicule them because of their support. It seems like everyone is just jumping on the "fire Sampson now" bandwagon. Honestly, phone calls are not that big of a deal to me. I think he is a good coach and I really wish he could stay. Of course the alleged lying is the worse part...But come on, Clinton lied about getting some loving and I didn't call for his head. lol That's probably not the best argument but still.
  • Hoosier_Hound
    I have to agree, phone calls are not that big of a deal. That is why Sampson got a pass two years ago. But repeating the exact same violations he made at Oklahoma makes it a big deal. (Just so we're clear, I said he should be fired in October.) But even more than that, lying about it to IU and the NCAA is just so disgusting to me that I can't think straight because of the anger that builds up in me. The sports of this country are being destroyed by liars (Sampson, Bonds, Clemens, Belichick) and it sickens me. The arrogance that these people display by breaking rules, laws, and even sworn oaths honesty is purely obscene. They deserve all the ridicule that is heaped upon them.
  • TXHoosier
    Although I don't necessarily agree with you, I'm glad to see some Sampson supporters posting here, and I appreciate their input--I haven't heard it anywhere else. I'll concede that phone calls by themselves aren't necessarily worthy of all the attention, but it's the hubris of repeating the offense and trying to get away with it that bothers me most.

    One more thing--and it's admittedly selfish, but present nonetheless. I live a thousand miles away from Indiana, and my best friends all support rival teams; thus, I'm THE Indiana fan who's left to explain and defend the team and university. I've found I can no longer excuse or rationalize Sampson being the coach, and that hurts. I loved watching his Oklahoma teams and was very happy to see him get the job. I've been excited to see the quality of recruits, player development, in-game adjustments, and toughness of the team steadily improve. At this point, however, with all the baggage, supporting Sampson has become at least as untenable as was supporting Knight back in 2000.
  • 1) The logic would be that Senderoff was the problem, and that if you put more resources into watching Sampson and ensure that the staff he has does not even have a reputation of a "bulldog recruiter" like Senderoff, then maybe you can turn this around. You would have to accept the idea that college coaches are going to challenge the rules, and it's up to the compliance office to push back hard enough.

    Essentially, the logic would have to be something along the lines of not blaming Sampson for anything except hiring Senderoff (and Lopes) and putting the majority of the blame on the administration.

    2) Obviously in the short term, it would be an extremely negative reaction, both from the media and the fanbase. Imagine that we win tomorrow night; the implication would be that Sampson saved his job by winning a couple big home games. The irrevocable message would be that, at least under the current leadership, the balance between "winning" and "complying with NCAA rules" has tipped toward the "winning" side at least some.

    Long term, there would be a certain group (namely rival fans and antagonist talking heads) who would never acknowledge any success IU has no matter how clean Sampson is from here on out. Given the staying power of the small group of IU fans who still think Bobby Knight may one day coach at IU, it's clear that no matter what he does, there would be a group of fans who believe that Sampson's firing or next transgression is right around the corner.

    However, America and sports fans are nothing if not forgiving when forgiveness is properly asked for. Imagine five year out. Sampson has delivered great on-the-court success. He has not made a single illegal phone call. The only violations that come out of the basketball program are the secondary violations which are simply impossible to totally eradicate. Sampson has also turned around his poor track record with graduation rates and transfers, and has stopped regularly recruiting jucos and "kids that need a second chance."

    Above all, imagine IU has been proactive in releasing to the public the records which prove this impeccable five year track record. IU promptly releases to the media all of the coaching staff's phone records to back up their assurance that the staff is complying. IU promptly releases all NCAA correspondence regarding the situation. IU and Sampson are always available to answer questions about the mistakes made, the penalties given, and what was/is being done to correct it.

    Then I can see the vast majority of IU fans re-embracing Sampson. Then he becomes, perversely, something of a success story. A coach from the rough and dirty Big XII comes to the B10, and after initial difficulties is forged into a model citizen. As this process goes on, I think IU fans would begin to rally around him, especially as evidence mounts that he changed his ways. The constant refrain of "once a cheater, always a cheater" from talking heads and rivals would cause IU fans to close ranks and grow defensive.
  • eman
    Great Post! After seeing the joy on Ellis's face on TV the other night after the MS Game, I'm for recruiting jucos and guys like Gordon and Ebanks hurt grad rates as well, but I can live with that as well. I have Sampson's back and I think alot of this is NCAA madness.
  • I was just trying to paint a picture where everything Sampson does in his off-the-court management of the program has been solved. Indiana fans will never fully respect him if the team consistently has two-four jucos on it.
  • IUato
    I guess I should speak up as one of the "few" supporters of Sampson. Personally, I would paraphrase a wise man by the name of Allen Iverson when I say, "we're talking about phonecalls. phonecalls?" Am I the only one who believes that there are far worse things going on in college sports; and we're all appauled about Sampson and his staff making a number of calls that violated his probation. Mind you, every coach in the country made more calls than him, so what real recruiting advantage did he gain?

    I understand that we have a long tradition of abiding by the rules set forth by the NCAA. I am not condoning Coach Sampson and his staffs mistake. However, as someone who just graduated from IU last year, having lived through the dismal "Davis Era" and the firing RMK, I'm just not ready to endure another three years of mediocrity. Recruits for next year and '10 have already gone on record as considering opening their recruitment and I would only imagine that a couple current hoosiers (crawford and bassett) would consider transfering. IMO I think suspending Sampson for the remainder of the season and bringing him back next year would keep the program where it belongs (21-4 and contending for a national championship, with top ten recruits coming in)
  • patrickdolan
    Here's the saddest thing about big time college athletics: for the coaches, the fans and the universities, it's all about them and, "...the players don’t count."

    As far as I can tell, no one has asked this question, "What's best for the players?" It shouldn't be the be all and end all, but it should be a consideration.
  • the fact is that anyone that is supporting sampson staying is doing so because they think firing him will hurt our chances at a possible Final Four/Championship run. if this team was on (or off) the bubble right now, i doubt many of you would be defending him. how some of you can defend a person that destroyed not only the national perception but also the integrity of our fine basketball program is beyond me.

    will you still be chanting sampson's name in 2009 and 2010 when the team is handcuffed by recruiting sanctions? will you still be chanting sampson's name if the NCAA hands down a post-season ban? will you still be chanting sampson's name if ebanks and elston de-commit and purdue wins the big tne the next two seasons?

    its all really a moot point anyway because greenspan will make his recommendation to fire sampson later this week and he will be suspended for the rest of the season.

    i will continue to support this team, but only for the players because they don't deserve this. i hope they win the big ten, i hope they go far in the tournament and i'd love it if they hung another banner. but at the same time, i will never again support a two-time loser, cheating piece of trash like sampson.
  • Sean
    This post is directed specifically to CoveyDale. I just wanted to thank you for being so wise as to know the exact reason why anyone supports Sampson at this point. Omnipotence is truly a blessing that few in life receive. It must be that all of us only care about making the final four. It could not possibly be the fact that some of us would like to see the NCAA allegations proven before we make any decisions. If only we were all so self-righteous as you and wanted Sampson fired as soon as IU initially self-reported the phone call violations! You did want that right? In the future, please refrain from making assumptions about the motivations of others. Some of us may even be intelligent enough to distinguish between allegations and proven facts. I am sure you are among the group of people who convicted the Duke lacrosse students (and many others who have been accused of breaking the rules or the law) without a trial. If Sampson is proven to be liar after given his due process we must fire him. Otherwise, everyone has a right to their personal opinions as long as they don't attack others or put words in their mouth. If you could quit doing so in the future it would be appreciated.
  • td
    I'm retired and worked in an industry that was considered a federal contractor by law. Without going into detail, let me say from experience these quasi-public bureacracies love to play "gotcha." I feel as though the NCAA lies to congress everytime they go to the hill to beg extensions to their tax-free status. For some reason or other, lying on capital hill is no big deal, the politicians do it all the time.(That's another story for another time.) My gut feeling is Sampson is gone. However, one needs to realize the NCAA letter is written in allegation form. They state nothing as fact. They're leaving that up to IU and thankfully, Kent and Ted are not making that decision for the university. As taxpayers, students, potential students, etc., we should be thankful the university is going slow. Ohio State let the shadow of the NCAA stampede them into a hurried and unwise decision on a basketball coach that came back to bite them in the pocketbook. For those of you wanting a quick fix to this, please send your money donations to IU for that quick and unwise move. They will need it. The lawyers love this stuff. It lines their pockets at our expense. Why do you think it takes everyone envolved so long so say something. The clock is running and the bill just keeps rising. We lose a big law suit and you'll want someone else's head. Be patient and don't let the media or the websites incite you into foolishness. Understand the legal industry will work this for what it's worth and they don't need any further help from us.
  • Jerry
    I spent 6 hours yesterday reading the recruiting rules.

    AMen td Amen
  • MPmike
    Yes, IU should keep him under a "No tolerance policy." Any minor offense then he's gone. All of you people make this Phonegate allegations like it's the worst thing that has ever happened to basketball and the IU program. Most of you don't know or remember that IU has not always been the perfect program that you make it to be. IU was in trouble with the NCAA in the 60's. What if Sampson comes clean and said that he made a mistake and wants another chance to redeem himself? Why can't we forgive him like we forgave other stars and celebrities and people in higher positions? If we don't, then we are a bunch of hyprocrites.
    Kelvin Sampson never paid anyone or fixed student grades. Those are major violations and grounds for termination, but phone calls-please!! The thing that he is guilty of is doing something really dumb and being very careless.
    I can bet my house and tell you that most if not all head coaches break some type of violations that are never reported to the university or NCAA. That is why you won't hear a coach bad mouth another one for mistakes like that. Come on Hoosier Nation, give Kelvin Sampson- one more chance. Finally, either way if Sampson resigns or gets fired, I will always be a supporter for Kelvin Sampson.
  • Brian
    Look at teh reason IU was in trouble in the 60's it was a bit of a different circumstances also and it dealt with not only IU but other schools as well. Maybe we forgive people to much and don't just stop and say hey...that's enough ...your gone. Yeah we keep forgiving forgiving celebs etc. Look how many times they go through rehab etc and either die or finally get it right. Maybe if we cut them loose didn't give them our money etc they'd straighten up quicker. Well we gave took KS in, knowingly under bad circumstances, and said "you know what..we know you did this and your already in trouble but we will give you another chance...not only another chance, but at one of the biggest basketball schools in the country....with one of the best histories in basketball. " So actually for him already getting in trouble once I'd say we gave him a helluva chance already.
  • ray
    iu would probably fair well as a top-contending team if they kept sampson on. as for his firing i suppose he should go at this point. if he stays iu will receive plenty of negative criticism. these phone calls have been so blown out of proportion that iu can't afford to keep him. after hearing dick vitale make him out to be the biggest evil-doer since satan himself on national television i would say iu needs to go ahead and throw in the towel. at this point, even those who don't follow iu or ncaa basketball have heard how "utterly dispicable" his acts were (a few extra phone calls mind you...not all that dispicable). the entire sports world is up in arms over what? oh yeah, some phone calls. i don't understand it. i would like to say that he should continue as coach, but it wouldn't make the world of sports very happy with iu...so instead i say fire him...not because he did anything that i would consider devilish or because we should make everyone else happy, but because he was so foolish to place himself into this situation.

    i personally think that bruce weber did more harm allowing his players and the illinois fans to act like thugs on national television than what sampson did by making a few phone calls...but then i'm not the one who will be making any decisions...and not to mention most of you believe that sampson is a cold-hearted criminal as well. like i said before...i don't understand it.
  • ray
    after reading through the posts, i think sampson should be given a chance to make his case in front of the ncaa. we didn't fire him before, so why should we now? there is no new evidence!

    it is a tight rope that the university is walking on right now, but to let him go now just because the ncaa found the same faults which were already apparent makes iu look ridiculous. if iu thought that what sampson did was reason for termination, then they should have done it earlier in the season.

    iu had their chance to terminate him...now it should be left to the ncaa to decide iu and sampson's fate...and greenspan should suffer the consequences as well!
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