Nick Jezierny isn’t a fan of the Cream and Crimson

  • 12/12/2007 1:04 pm in

voting.jpgFirst, a preface on polls in college basketball. When it comes down to it, they’re meaningless. Unlike college football, where the polls have an influence on determining who will win the national championship, the polls for college hoops really don’t determine anything. Now, onward…

ITH reader Benjie sent along a tip that a voter from the Idaho Statesman was leaving Indiana off of his Associated Press ballot. I did a little digging on pollspeak.com and confirmed that the individual in question, Nick Jezierny, has not voted Indiana in his last three AP ballots.

Of the other ballots available on pollspeak for Week 6, only seven other voters had Indiana ranked lower than 15 and no one had them ranked below 19.

Here are some other oddities with Jezierny’s latest ballot:

  • He ranked Texas A & M No. 24. That was the lowest of any AP voter. The Aggies are No. 14 in the AP Poll and No. 12 in ESPN/USA Today Poll.
  • He ranked Vanderbilt No. 11. That’s the highest of any AP voter.
  • He ranked Mississippi No. 17. That’s also the highest of any AP voter.

There have been some rumors that Jezierny is a graduate of Illinois, but I did a little research and all signs point to Jezierny being a 1990 graduate of Ohio University.

As far as my take on his voting, I think it is ridiculous, but this sort of thing seems to happen every year. This is a perfect example of why polls are meaningless. They are simply an opinion and there’s always going to be a couple of voters who are clueless. For those of you who have steam coming out of your ears, you can email our buddy Nick at njezierny@idahostatesman.com. Just don’t tell him I sent you.

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ITH reader Dave sent along the following email trail with Mr. Jezierny:

From: Dave
Sent: Thu 12/13/2007 10:01 AM
To: Jezierny, Nick
Subject: AP Voting

Why did you exclude the Indiana Hoosiers from the top 25 Men’s Basketball AP vote? You are the ONLY voter who has not included them at all and no other voter placed them below 19. All but 7 voters placed them at 15 or above. I’d LOVE to hear your explanation.

Dave

And the reply:

From: Jezierny, Nick
Sent: 12/13/2007 12:15 PM
To: Dave
Subject: RE: AP Voting

Dave:

I did vote for the Hoosiers until they lost a game. They are on my radar and likely will re-enter my vote as some other teams I had ranked ahead of them have lost since our last vote.

Thanks,

Nick

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  • Nick

    West Coast Hoosier,

    That is quite possibly the dumbest post that I have ever read!

    (1) Why is it “unfair and inappropriate to flood his e-mail box with comments.” This guy has taken on this responsiblity and should take it seriously. If he isnt, then people should let him know.

    (2) “In the modern world, people can contact other people easily. We do not encourage you to contact Mr. Jesierny or his employer and, in fact suggest that you do not do so, but, if you choose to do so, please be polite and succinct.” Why? If he doesnt want to read the emails he doesnt have to. But the voters ballots are made public so that there is accountability and people noticing an irresponsible voter is that accountability in action.

    (3)“Beyond that it could be a violation of federal and state law to make any statements that could be conceived of as either threatening him or offering a bribe or other consideration for his vote.” Should ITH post this same thing everytime an opposing coach says something negative about IU? Should they just not post negative opinions or comments, because west coast hoosier thinks that crazy people may “violate state and federal law” as a result? Get a clue! If someone harasses this guy, that is on that person, there is nothing her encouraging people to cross the line. No disclaimer is needed.

    The only explanation is that you are sometype of first year law student or law-school drop out armed with just enough knowledge to make yourself sound silly. Becuase, if you think that this blog post amounts to incitement, you clearly dont know what incitement is…There is no basis for this blog to get in any trouble by making this post. And in fact, I think that it has been productive as it has caused a lazy AP voter to take his role more seriously.

    There is little to do with people like you, except to roll ones eyes and hope that in the future you just keep this dribble to yourself.

    Nick

  • Nick

    West Coast Hoosier,

    That is quite possibly the dumbest post that I have ever read!

    (1) Why is it “unfair and inappropriate to flood his e-mail box with comments.” This guy has taken on this responsiblity and should take it seriously. If he isnt, then people should let him know.

    (2) “In the modern world, people can contact other people easily. We do not encourage you to contact Mr. Jesierny or his employer and, in fact suggest that you do not do so, but, if you choose to do so, please be polite and succinct.” Why? If he doesnt want to read the emails he doesnt have to. But the voters ballots are made public so that there is accountability and people noticing an irresponsible voter is that accountability in action.

    (3)“Beyond that it could be a violation of federal and state law to make any statements that could be conceived of as either threatening him or offering a bribe or other consideration for his vote.” Should ITH post this same thing everytime an opposing coach says something negative about IU? Should they just not post negative opinions or comments, because west coast hoosier thinks that crazy people may “violate state and federal law” as a result? Get a clue! If someone harasses this guy, that is on that person, there is nothing her encouraging people to cross the line. No disclaimer is needed.

    The only explanation is that you are sometype of first year law student or law-school drop out armed with just enough knowledge to make yourself sound silly. Becuase, if you think that this blog post amounts to incitement, you clearly dont know what incitement is…There is no basis for this blog to get in any trouble by making this post. And in fact, I think that it has been productive as it has caused a lazy AP voter to take his role more seriously.

    There is little to do with people like you, except to roll ones eyes and hope that in the future you just keep this dribble to yourself.

    Nick

  • West Coast Hoosier

    Nick,

    You’re entitled to your opinion and, on First Amendment grounds, I’d defend your right to have it no matter how ungraciously it is expressed.

    And, for whatever it is worth, you’re factually wrong on at least one thing. I’m a lawyer with a practice that deals with media affairs.

    Because of that, I stand by and reiterate my comments while simultaneously hoping that they reflect concerns that never materialize.

    I’m not giving legal advice here, but I would advise folks to govern their behavior on this type of thing carefully. The words “fan” and “fanatic” stem from the same root and I would hate to see anybody take criticism of a voter to an extreme and get in trouble.

    So, Nick, if you or someone else sends something to this guy that is construed as threatening, or if he complains that he is getting inundated with rude and threatening e-mails arising from an article published here and says that he fears for his safety, and if the FBI shows up at your doorstep, I’ll be happy to compliment you on the legal advice that you’ve given yourself and wish you good luck!

    West Coast Hoosier

  • West Coast Hoosier

    Nick,

    You’re entitled to your opinion and, on First Amendment grounds, I’d defend your right to have it no matter how ungraciously it is expressed.

    And, for whatever it is worth, you’re factually wrong on at least one thing. I’m a lawyer with a practice that deals with media affairs.

    Because of that, I stand by and reiterate my comments while simultaneously hoping that they reflect concerns that never materialize.

    I’m not giving legal advice here, but I would advise folks to govern their behavior on this type of thing carefully. The words “fan” and “fanatic” stem from the same root and I would hate to see anybody take criticism of a voter to an extreme and get in trouble.

    So, Nick, if you or someone else sends something to this guy that is construed as threatening, or if he complains that he is getting inundated with rude and threatening e-mails arising from an article published here and says that he fears for his safety, and if the FBI shows up at your doorstep, I’ll be happy to compliment you on the legal advice that you’ve given yourself and wish you good luck!

    West Coast Hoosier

  • Tom

    west coast hoosier,

    relax.

  • Tom

    west coast hoosier,

    relax.

  • ray

    i like what west coast hoosier has mentioned…everyone is entitled to their opinion. who is to say that this isn’t a biased opinion, but rather, what he truly believes to be the top 25 teams in the country. in some ways, perhaps it’s good to have someone coming in from another angle. i can’t stand the fact that so many teams are given the benefit of the doubt based on past performance. i disagree with this guy whole-heartedly on not voting for iu (and i’ve not even bothered to look at who he did vote for), but even those who are expected to vote every week can’t possibly view every division one game across the country every week…and looking at box scores and watching highlights doesn’t always give a clear picture of how good a team is. take the huge upsets that happen every year during march madness as an example…most of these “upsetters” aren’t breaking into the top 25 all year, yet some of them continue upsetting top 25 teams deep into the madness. remember too, this kentucky team that everyone is claiming is so terrible…they were in everyone’s top 25 to start the season. again, this goes to show that past performance is not a true measure of one’s future success…and as a number of you have already mentioned, polls don’t mean squat. if you are good enough to win the tournament, then it shouldn’t matter what seed you are. due to match-up problems, some teams would have better luck playing against a top ten team than they would against a “lesser” opponent. in the end, all that matters is that you make the tournament by playing well all year…and a few favorable match-ups certainly don’t hurt.

  • ray

    i like what west coast hoosier has mentioned…everyone is entitled to their opinion. who is to say that this isn’t a biased opinion, but rather, what he truly believes to be the top 25 teams in the country. in some ways, perhaps it’s good to have someone coming in from another angle. i can’t stand the fact that so many teams are given the benefit of the doubt based on past performance. i disagree with this guy whole-heartedly on not voting for iu (and i’ve not even bothered to look at who he did vote for), but even those who are expected to vote every week can’t possibly view every division one game across the country every week…and looking at box scores and watching highlights doesn’t always give a clear picture of how good a team is. take the huge upsets that happen every year during march madness as an example…most of these “upsetters” aren’t breaking into the top 25 all year, yet some of them continue upsetting top 25 teams deep into the madness. remember too, this kentucky team that everyone is claiming is so terrible…they were in everyone’s top 25 to start the season. again, this goes to show that past performance is not a true measure of one’s future success…and as a number of you have already mentioned, polls don’t mean squat. if you are good enough to win the tournament, then it shouldn’t matter what seed you are. due to match-up problems, some teams would have better luck playing against a top ten team than they would against a “lesser” opponent. in the end, all that matters is that you make the tournament by playing well all year…and a few favorable match-ups certainly don’t hurt.

  • Nick

    West Coast Hoosier-

    You can’t possibly be an attorny with that First Amendment dribble. I would guess first-year law student. If you are an attorney, it is unfortunate that you would stand by this absurd premise! In order for you to better serve your clients, I would suggest you review certain concepts in conjunction with incitement, such as (1) intent (2) immenence of lawless action and (3) the difference between “triggers to action” and “keys of persuasion.”

    Once you get those down, let me know, and I can explain to you why the rest of arguments are similarly flawed.

    Nick

  • Nick

    West Coast Hoosier-

    You can’t possibly be an attorny with that First Amendment dribble. I would guess first-year law student. If you are an attorney, it is unfortunate that you would stand by this absurd premise! In order for you to better serve your clients, I would suggest you review certain concepts in conjunction with incitement, such as (1) intent (2) immenence of lawless action and (3) the difference between “triggers to action” and “keys of persuasion.”

    Once you get those down, let me know, and I can explain to you why the rest of arguments are similarly flawed.

    Nick

  • Nick

    West Coast Hoosier-

    You can’t possibly be an attorny with that First Amendment dribble. I would guess first-year law student. If you are an attorney, it is unfortunate that you would stand by this absurd premise! In order for you to better serve your clients, I would suggest you review certain concepts in conjunction with incitement, such as (1) intent (2) immenence of lawless action and (3) the difference between “triggers to action” and “keys of persuasion.”

    Once you get those down, let me know, and I can explain to you why the rest of arguments are similarly flawed.

    Nick

  • Hooooosier

    West Coast Hoosier,

    I don’t know if you should argue with nick. What if somebody (inexplicably) believes that you’re right and decides to attack nick as a result. YOU WOULD BE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE!! THE FBI WOULD PROBABLY COME TO YOUR DOOR!

    Actually, nothing would happen. Get a grip man.

  • Hooooosier

    West Coast Hoosier,

    I don’t know if you should argue with nick. What if somebody (inexplicably) believes that you’re right and decides to attack nick as a result. YOU WOULD BE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE!! THE FBI WOULD PROBABLY COME TO YOUR DOOR!

    Actually, nothing would happen. Get a grip man.

  • West Coast Hoosier

    Hooooosier,

    Thanks for your comment.

    Remember, the original article says, and I quote:

    “For those of you who have steam coming out of your ears, you can email our buddy Nick at njezierny@idahostatesman.com. Just don’t tell him I sent you.”

    This is the paragraph that concerned me.

    Notice several things about that paragraph.

    First, it clearly suggests that people e-mail Mr. Jezierny.

    Second, note that Mr. Jezierny can be located at his workplace and probably given the size of Boise, Idaho, at his residence.

    Third, it includes the reference to “steam coming out of ears,” a way to describe anger.

    And, let me add that, in fairness, as a Hoosier fan myself, Jezierny’s act in ignoring the Hoosiers made me angry too, so I’m not describing an emotion that I can’t feel myself, although I’m way far removed from the fanatics and know better than to do anything I shouldn’t.

    Fourth, the statement (I know intended to be funny) “Just don’t tell him I sent you.”

    Now, I hope that folks are sensible enough to read all that as humor and hyperbole, but, as I said in my original post, some people aren’t so rational.

    Blogger Nick (the poster on this blog, not Nick Jezierny), though he disagrees with me, strikes me as a rational enough fellow. I’m not worried about him doing anything to Jezierny or anyone else. In fact, I note that his second post is only about half as rude as his first post. Who knows? By the next one, we may get to have a little polite and friendly dialogue! He’s probably a nice fellow when one gets to know him.

    Re: your suggestion that I could be inciting folks to do something to blogger Nick, excuse me? Note that I have no idea who blogger Nick is, where he is, what his e-mail is, his address, or anything else about him, nor do I want to know.

    Beyond that, I never suggested that anyone do anything to or towards him and I never would.

    And I certainly couldn’t motivate outraged Indiana fans to do anything to him, even if I wanted to and I don’t. His “crime” is strong support for the Hoosiers and I agree with that.

    In fact, I actually enjoy folks who think differently than me, although politeness, even on blogs is a virtue that blogger Nick might want to cultivate.

    By the way, interestingly, I note that Sagarin has also had Indiana lower than the consensus all year long. I saw today that he moved IU to 19th, but before that, I believe he had them at 21st for several days, which is pretty close to being out of the top 25.

    And Sagarin’s computer based formulation precludes the sort of bias that Mr. Jezierny might show and is, I think, reflective of the fact that IU has had a schedule less difficult than many other teams. Kentucky, for example, is not Kentucky this year. Southern Illinois has had other losses after the loss to the Hoosiers and has suffered a decline in their RPI. Even Xavier, which beat Indiana, has lost since then, which doesn’t help Indiana computer-wise.

    Should we all write to Mr. Sagain’s computers and complain that they’re crunching the numbers wrong?

    West Coast Hoosier

  • West Coast Hoosier

    Hooooosier,

    Thanks for your comment.

    Remember, the original article says, and I quote:

    “For those of you who have steam coming out of your ears, you can email our buddy Nick at njezierny@idahostatesman.com. Just don’t tell him I sent you.”

    This is the paragraph that concerned me.

    Notice several things about that paragraph.

    First, it clearly suggests that people e-mail Mr. Jezierny.

    Second, note that Mr. Jezierny can be located at his workplace and probably given the size of Boise, Idaho, at his residence.

    Third, it includes the reference to “steam coming out of ears,” a way to describe anger.

    And, let me add that, in fairness, as a Hoosier fan myself, Jezierny’s act in ignoring the Hoosiers made me angry too, so I’m not describing an emotion that I can’t feel myself, although I’m way far removed from the fanatics and know better than to do anything I shouldn’t.

    Fourth, the statement (I know intended to be funny) “Just don’t tell him I sent you.”

    Now, I hope that folks are sensible enough to read all that as humor and hyperbole, but, as I said in my original post, some people aren’t so rational.

    Blogger Nick (the poster on this blog, not Nick Jezierny), though he disagrees with me, strikes me as a rational enough fellow. I’m not worried about him doing anything to Jezierny or anyone else. In fact, I note that his second post is only about half as rude as his first post. Who knows? By the next one, we may get to have a little polite and friendly dialogue! He’s probably a nice fellow when one gets to know him.

    Re: your suggestion that I could be inciting folks to do something to blogger Nick, excuse me? Note that I have no idea who blogger Nick is, where he is, what his e-mail is, his address, or anything else about him, nor do I want to know.

    Beyond that, I never suggested that anyone do anything to or towards him and I never would.

    And I certainly couldn’t motivate outraged Indiana fans to do anything to him, even if I wanted to and I don’t. His “crime” is strong support for the Hoosiers and I agree with that.

    In fact, I actually enjoy folks who think differently than me, although politeness, even on blogs is a virtue that blogger Nick might want to cultivate.

    By the way, interestingly, I note that Sagarin has also had Indiana lower than the consensus all year long. I saw today that he moved IU to 19th, but before that, I believe he had them at 21st for several days, which is pretty close to being out of the top 25.

    And Sagarin’s computer based formulation precludes the sort of bias that Mr. Jezierny might show and is, I think, reflective of the fact that IU has had a schedule less difficult than many other teams. Kentucky, for example, is not Kentucky this year. Southern Illinois has had other losses after the loss to the Hoosiers and has suffered a decline in their RPI. Even Xavier, which beat Indiana, has lost since then, which doesn’t help Indiana computer-wise.

    Should we all write to Mr. Sagain’s computers and complain that they’re crunching the numbers wrong?

    West Coast Hoosier