Zeller recruitment will go down to the wire

  • 10/21/2007 8:42 pm in

Tyler ZellerWith official visits to North Carolina, Indiana, Notre Dame and Purdue now in the rear view mirror, Tyler Zeller is faced with a decision that will shape the next four years of his life. Unlike most recruits, Zeller is playing his decision close to the vest and few clues have surfaced as to where he’ll end up.

What we do know, thanks to comments made by Zeller over the weekend in West Lafayette to the Journal and Courier, is that he’ll make his decision sometime between November 5th and November 14th.

Here’s a little bit of what Zeller had to say about the decision making process and how the recent sanctions announced at IU could effect him:

On where he stands in the decision making process:

“I really have no clue right now. All the players are factors. You have to look at who you come in to play with, where you fit in and how you fit in. Can you play with them? You have to look at everything.”

On the sanctions recently announced by Indiana:

“You have to look at the long run. You’ve got to look at what is going to happen down the road. We will just see what happens with all of that. It didn’t really bother me, because after I talked to (coach Sampson) and he explained everything, it didn’t sound as bad as I thought it was at first.”

I have a hard time buying into Zeller’s statement that he has no clue where he’ll be going. He’s been to all four schools and he’s been able to see how he fits in at each school. By this point, I hope he’s got some clue as to where he’ll end up.

I’ve always felt that Notre Dame was a distant fourth in the race and I still feel that way. North Carolina is the storied, national program that might be just as passionate as Indiana about basketball. Zeller seems to have a good relationship with Roy Williams and he wouldn’t be the first Indiana kid to head to Chapel Hill (Do the names Sean May, Eric Montross and Rick Fox ring a bell?). Purdue has things headed in the right direction with Matt Painter at the helm and is making a living plucking top talent from the state. And we all know the appeal of playing at IU.

The unfortunate thing about the sanctions for Kelvin Sampson is that if Zeller doesn’t choose Indiana, there will be immediate questions about the effect of the sanctions on recruiting. Ultimately, I believe they’ll have little to do with Zeller’s decision.

So, where do you think Tyler Zeller will end up and why? Will he join brother Luke in South Bend? Will he head to Tobacco Road? Will Purdue, his last stop for an official visit, get the nod? Or will he end up in the cream and crimson? I’m interested in hearing your thoughts.

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  • Witt

    kellen,

    i was just asking you not to jump all over people, i didn’t credit or discredit anything you have said, just your general attitude. and again, i call you out and you pounce like an eager simba learning to hunt.

    i raised the question, what is the appeal of playing at IU? i was trying to open some discussion about what exactly makes recruits want to play for IU in light of the recent tragedies, but you gave your standard response:

    EJ, roth, ebanks, eli, jamarcus, etc…. then it must be good.

    however, just because we’re getting some great athletes right now, that doesn’t answer the question as to why they want to come here. you may also note that i stated that i expect success this year because of how much talent we have. so i’m not sure where you get this idea that i believe our program is hurting.

    if i ever had the opportunity to play here (implying that i grew 4-10 inches and learned how to make a layup), IU would absolutely be on the top of my dream program list. yet, i don’t know why or at least how to verbalize what would attract me to the program.

    so, i reapeat…

    what about the IU basketball program appeals to recruits? is it the short skirts with ugg boots? or maybe the dorm food? perhaps it is the kinsey institute promising free condoms?

    conversely, how does that compare to the things that may detract from our greatness? possibly the strained politics between different IU campuses? the missing oaken buckets? do i even need to mention sanctions?

    thanks,
    witt

    p.s. please read at least 3 times and take a cold shower before responding.

  • Witt

    kellen,

    i was just asking you not to jump all over people, i didn’t credit or discredit anything you have said, just your general attitude. and again, i call you out and you pounce like an eager simba learning to hunt.

    i raised the question, what is the appeal of playing at IU? i was trying to open some discussion about what exactly makes recruits want to play for IU in light of the recent tragedies, but you gave your standard response:

    EJ, roth, ebanks, eli, jamarcus, etc…. then it must be good.

    however, just because we’re getting some great athletes right now, that doesn’t answer the question as to why they want to come here. you may also note that i stated that i expect success this year because of how much talent we have. so i’m not sure where you get this idea that i believe our program is hurting.

    if i ever had the opportunity to play here (implying that i grew 4-10 inches and learned how to make a layup), IU would absolutely be on the top of my dream program list. yet, i don’t know why or at least how to verbalize what would attract me to the program.

    so, i reapeat…

    what about the IU basketball program appeals to recruits? is it the short skirts with ugg boots? or maybe the dorm food? perhaps it is the kinsey institute promising free condoms?

    conversely, how does that compare to the things that may detract from our greatness? possibly the strained politics between different IU campuses? the missing oaken buckets? do i even need to mention sanctions?

    thanks,
    witt

    p.s. please read at least 3 times and take a cold shower before responding.

  • Witt

    kellen,

    i’m glad you have confirmed my assessment that you don’t open your eyes when you read. my post was to point out your closed-mindedness and not to take a side. just like you did with timmy boy, as soon as i called you out on your poor blog comment etiquette, you pounced on me like a young eager simba learning to hunt. if you actually take the time to read and think at the same time, you will notice that i did not credit or discredit much that you or paul had to say. i simply asked a new question intending to create some intelligible discussion on what exactly attracts recruits to iu.

    naturally, your response is and will always be the same and something like this:

    EJ, eli, jordan, roth, pritchard, ebanks, elston, deandre, etc…. it must be the best place ever if they are coming. >

    however, though this may be a completely true and accurate statement-note my last post stating the amazing talent we have this year-it doesn’t answer WHY they want to come here. and when i say they, i don’t mean recruits that we already have, but recruits we are still trying to get, such as zeller, van treese, stephenson, and so on.

    so i repeat….

    what attracts recruits to IU’s program? is it the dorm food? maybe its the ugg boots with skirts and tights combo that the ladies fashion here? perhaps its kinsey institutes infinite supply of condoms?

    conversely, what types of things detract from the IU program? could the strained relationship between IU campuses hurt our recruiting? or are the weather patterns just completely unattractive?

    my point, kind sir, is that you just attack other people’s comments instead of contributing to worthwhile conversation.

    to answer the only question that seems worthwhile, the cheater coach hurts the program when we can’t recruit as many athletes each year. lost scholarships cannot possibly by any twisted mind be conceived as a good thing.

    thank you for your time,
    witt

    p.s. please read at least 3 times AND take a cold shower before going into simba mode.

  • Witt

    kellen,

    i’m glad you have confirmed my assessment that you don’t open your eyes when you read. my post was to point out your closed-mindedness and not to take a side. just like you did with timmy boy, as soon as i called you out on your poor blog comment etiquette, you pounced on me like a young eager simba learning to hunt. if you actually take the time to read and think at the same time, you will notice that i did not credit or discredit much that you or paul had to say. i simply asked a new question intending to create some intelligible discussion on what exactly attracts recruits to iu.

    naturally, your response is and will always be the same and something like this:

    EJ, eli, jordan, roth, pritchard, ebanks, elston, deandre, etc…. it must be the best place ever if they are coming. >

    however, though this may be a completely true and accurate statement-note my last post stating the amazing talent we have this year-it doesn’t answer WHY they want to come here. and when i say they, i don’t mean recruits that we already have, but recruits we are still trying to get, such as zeller, van treese, stephenson, and so on.

    so i repeat….

    what attracts recruits to IU’s program? is it the dorm food? maybe its the ugg boots with skirts and tights combo that the ladies fashion here? perhaps its kinsey institutes infinite supply of condoms?

    conversely, what types of things detract from the IU program? could the strained relationship between IU campuses hurt our recruiting? or are the weather patterns just completely unattractive?

    my point, kind sir, is that you just attack other people’s comments instead of contributing to worthwhile conversation.

    to answer the only question that seems worthwhile, the cheater coach hurts the program when we can’t recruit as many athletes each year. lost scholarships cannot possibly by any twisted mind be conceived as a good thing.

    thank you for your time,
    witt

    p.s. please read at least 3 times AND take a cold shower before going into simba mode.

  • Witt

    on facilities though… does anyone else find it odd that the trustees approved to build a new arena that doesn’t seat more people than assembly?

  • Witt

    on facilities though… does anyone else find it odd that the trustees approved to build a new arena that doesn’t seat more people than assembly?

  • Tim

    Witt,

    I don’t find it odd because the trustees have not approved to build any new arena. They have approved recently the North End Zone Complex, the Basketball Development Facility, new Baseball and Softball Fields, and a decision not to renovate Assembly Hall but rather to replace it in the indefinite future with a yet to be designed new arena.

    P.S. What about anything you have posted is “worthwhile conversation”? You’re just spouting off random incoherent statements.

  • Tim

    Witt,

    I don’t find it odd because the trustees have not approved to build any new arena. They have approved recently the North End Zone Complex, the Basketball Development Facility, new Baseball and Softball Fields, and a decision not to renovate Assembly Hall but rather to replace it in the indefinite future with a yet to be designed new arena.

    P.S. What about anything you have posted is “worthwhile conversation”? You’re just spouting off random incoherent statements.

  • kelin

    I’m sorry DimWitt-
    Maybe it is you who need to read what you, paula, and myself are posting….here is part of your quote DW

    “it can easily been seen that IU is losing respect nationally. …..”

    and ofcourse here is part of your hero’s quote…”What is the appeal of playing at IU. The coach is a cheater and the facilities are poor.”

    Now I understand you are new to the computer world and that Atari 1500 has been hard to let go, when it comes to a “blog” spelled B-L-O-G, I and everyone else has to right to say what we want. I think Paul’s comments as well as yours are an indication that both of you are distant relatives of Bob but you just don’t want to admit it, you have a hard time separating the team and the coach, and if you think kids come to schools for facilities….you are sadly mistaken in 2007!

    I won’t waste my time picking apart your quote of IU losing respect nationally because it has no foundation….oh wait yes it does…Kent Benson, Joe Hilman, and Ted “recruit my kid” Kitchel ALL believe IU is a step above Hell now. So DW yes if I feel something on this blog..spelled B-L-O-G is worth responding too I will……just as everyone has the right to do the same with my post.

  • kelin

    I’m sorry DimWitt-
    Maybe it is you who need to read what you, paula, and myself are posting….here is part of your quote DW

    “it can easily been seen that IU is losing respect nationally. …..”

    and ofcourse here is part of your hero’s quote…”What is the appeal of playing at IU. The coach is a cheater and the facilities are poor.”

    Now I understand you are new to the computer world and that Atari 1500 has been hard to let go, when it comes to a “blog” spelled B-L-O-G, I and everyone else has to right to say what we want. I think Paul’s comments as well as yours are an indication that both of you are distant relatives of Bob but you just don’t want to admit it, you have a hard time separating the team and the coach, and if you think kids come to schools for facilities….you are sadly mistaken in 2007!

    I won’t waste my time picking apart your quote of IU losing respect nationally because it has no foundation….oh wait yes it does…Kent Benson, Joe Hilman, and Ted “recruit my kid” Kitchel ALL believe IU is a step above Hell now. So DW yes if I feel something on this blog..spelled B-L-O-G is worth responding too I will……just as everyone has the right to do the same with my post.

  • jaime gongora

    Witt, you really are spouting incoherent statements. Sad…….. Very Sad. Sniff.. For one I believe there is plenty of constructive arguments that argue against IU’s favor. Just look at both sides of the coin with the Sampson phone call issue and the Bud mackey situation. I think there is a difference when someone provides good argumentative points, instead of treating someone like an idiot. AKA like how Paul insulted our program and how you insulted Kellen. At times I disagree with them but I don’t treat them like idiots. Respect, thats what it all boils down to.
    jaime

  • jaime gongora

    Witt, you really are spouting incoherent statements. Sad…….. Very Sad. Sniff.. For one I believe there is plenty of constructive arguments that argue against IU’s favor. Just look at both sides of the coin with the Sampson phone call issue and the Bud mackey situation. I think there is a difference when someone provides good argumentative points, instead of treating someone like an idiot. AKA like how Paul insulted our program and how you insulted Kellen. At times I disagree with them but I don’t treat them like idiots. Respect, thats what it all boils down to.
    jaime

  • jaime gongora

    Witt, you really are spouting incoherent statements. Sad…….. Very Sad. Sniff.. For one I believe there is plenty of constructive arguments that argue against IU’s favor. Just look at both sides of the coin with the Sampson phone call issue and the Bud mackey situation. I think there is a difference when someone provides good argumentative points, instead of treating someone like an idiot. AKA like how Paul insulted our program and how you insulted Kellen. At times I disagree with them but I don’t treat them like idiots. Respect, thats what it all boils down to.
    jaime

  • jaime gongora

    Witt, you really are spouting incoherent statements. Sad…….. Very Sad. Sniff.. For one I believe there is plenty of constructive arguments that argue against IU’s favor. Just look at both sides of the coin with the Sampson phone call issue and the Bud mackey situation. I think there is a difference when someone provides good argumentative points, instead of treating someone like an idiot. AKA like how Paul insulted our program and how you insulted Kellen. At times I disagree with them but I don’t treat them like idiots. Respect, thats what it all boils down to.
    jaime

  • jaime gongora

    Witt, you really are spouting incoherent statements. Sad…….. Very Sad. Sniff.. For one I believe there is plenty of constructive arguments that argue against IU’s favor. Just look at both sides of the coin with the Sampson phone call issue and the Bud mackey situation. I think there is a difference when someone provides good argumentative points, instead of treating someone like an idiot. AKA like how Paul insulted our program and how you insulted Kellen. At times I disagree with them but I don’t treat them like idiots. Respect, thats what it all boils down to.
    jaime

  • Witt

    i prefer nitwitt.

    to clarify on IU losing respect nationally. i meant that it is easy to perceive the situation as bad press for IU basketball, not that “Oh my god, IU is now the worst program ever.” i believe i followed that statement by crediting sampson’s ability to win, which should ultimately outweigh this setback. i’d challenge you to make a case that self-imposed and/or NCAA imposed sanctions are good for a large basketball program, because it sounds as though you are in complete denial that this will have any effect on us. how can losing scholarships not affect us? even with bud mackey gone, could we not give the scholarship to someone else?

    also, i’d like you to find a quote where i say that we are losing appeal due to facilities, you are assuming this is my stance because i just happened to make my remarks following paul’s comments. i read paul’s comment and thought to myself, “gosh, what is making people still want to come here? we’ve clearly had some bad issues that should theoretically push athletes away, yet we seem to still be recruiting top prospects. hmm, why is that?”

    you have yet to even attempt to answer that question. it is practically an open-ended essay on why you are an IU fan.

    i don’t know where the bob knight comments come from. i believe he was a great coach in his time, but he WAY outlived his time here. if you disagree with him being a good coach and for the most part developing IU’s winning tradition, then i feel that you should personally remove the banners from assembly. yet, i wouldn’t want him back right now either, his ship has sailed. in fact, i haven’t even proposed that we seek a different coach, just that we evaluate sampson at the end of the season (which i hope we do with all coaches at the end of every season anyway). unfortunately for sampson, he isn’t starting this season with a clean slate.

    just so we’re clear..

    i’m not anti-sampson. however, i’m extremely skeptical of him. he’s made the same mistake twice within a VERY short time span. believe it or not, the best predictor of a person’s future actions are the actions of his past. that’s not saying that people can’t change, or the sampson should be branded a cheater for life, it’s just an observation on society in general. i would love for him to get his act together and prove ‘NitWitt’s postulate of behavioral predictors’ completely wrong. i think IU basketball will have a lot of success on the court as long as he is the coach. however, success on the court isn’t the ONLY thing that is important in college basketball. unless he can guarantee every single one of his athletes a professional basketball career and no risk of injury, i think it is in the athlete’s best interest to go to class and graduate.

    i must admit, your response was quite witty, no pun intended. i’ll be on the lookout for Mr. Hanson.

    did i spell blog wrong? i didn’t get the B-L-O-G remarks.

    regards,
    witt

  • Witt

    i prefer nitwitt.

    to clarify on IU losing respect nationally. i meant that it is easy to perceive the situation as bad press for IU basketball, not that “Oh my god, IU is now the worst program ever.” i believe i followed that statement by crediting sampson’s ability to win, which should ultimately outweigh this setback. i’d challenge you to make a case that self-imposed and/or NCAA imposed sanctions are good for a large basketball program, because it sounds as though you are in complete denial that this will have any effect on us. how can losing scholarships not affect us? even with bud mackey gone, could we not give the scholarship to someone else?

    also, i’d like you to find a quote where i say that we are losing appeal due to facilities, you are assuming this is my stance because i just happened to make my remarks following paul’s comments. i read paul’s comment and thought to myself, “gosh, what is making people still want to come here? we’ve clearly had some bad issues that should theoretically push athletes away, yet we seem to still be recruiting top prospects. hmm, why is that?”

    you have yet to even attempt to answer that question. it is practically an open-ended essay on why you are an IU fan.

    i don’t know where the bob knight comments come from. i believe he was a great coach in his time, but he WAY outlived his time here. if you disagree with him being a good coach and for the most part developing IU’s winning tradition, then i feel that you should personally remove the banners from assembly. yet, i wouldn’t want him back right now either, his ship has sailed. in fact, i haven’t even proposed that we seek a different coach, just that we evaluate sampson at the end of the season (which i hope we do with all coaches at the end of every season anyway). unfortunately for sampson, he isn’t starting this season with a clean slate.

    just so we’re clear..

    i’m not anti-sampson. however, i’m extremely skeptical of him. he’s made the same mistake twice within a VERY short time span. believe it or not, the best predictor of a person’s future actions are the actions of his past. that’s not saying that people can’t change, or the sampson should be branded a cheater for life, it’s just an observation on society in general. i would love for him to get his act together and prove ‘NitWitt’s postulate of behavioral predictors’ completely wrong. i think IU basketball will have a lot of success on the court as long as he is the coach. however, success on the court isn’t the ONLY thing that is important in college basketball. unless he can guarantee every single one of his athletes a professional basketball career and no risk of injury, i think it is in the athlete’s best interest to go to class and graduate.

    i must admit, your response was quite witty, no pun intended. i’ll be on the lookout for Mr. Hanson.

    did i spell blog wrong? i didn’t get the B-L-O-G remarks.

    regards,
    witt

  • kelin

    Witt….here is a non-insulting post for you…which is my norm whether you agree with me or not….

    What is the attraction to IU despite the poor facilities and the KS cloud? Trying to look through the eyes of a teen phonom I would have to say it is a few things….from a basketball standpoint IU is a “Nationally Exposed” program and the fan base is very knowledgeable and strong. I heard Jamarcus Ellis say at Midnight Madness was the largest crowd he has played in EVER in his life and has seen nothing like. I read one of the recruits at midnight madness say IU fans are very Knowledgable and he didn’t get that feeling on other visits elsewhere. Indiana basketball receives a lot of exposure and kids know that…..

    Secondly, I think kids are far far more forgiving than adults are, which is the way our society works these days…..I think KS is very engaging to them and they can relate to them. In some cases he is that father figure they are use too or have not had and those things are attractive. I look at his interaction with the players and no matter which player it is, they all give him a balanced amount of respect. The sanctions I believe do not work against him when it comes to the “player” looking at IU…..(unless you know what happens with the ncaa..i don’t want to say the word”)

    Finally, losing a scholarship I don’t believe will have a major affect on IU under the circumstances of our team….we are young, we have kids who may be leaving early, and the unfortunate incident with Bud…I am looking down the road but I think the effects will be minimal.

  • kelin

    Witt….here is a non-insulting post for you…which is my norm whether you agree with me or not….

    What is the attraction to IU despite the poor facilities and the KS cloud? Trying to look through the eyes of a teen phonom I would have to say it is a few things….from a basketball standpoint IU is a “Nationally Exposed” program and the fan base is very knowledgeable and strong. I heard Jamarcus Ellis say at Midnight Madness was the largest crowd he has played in EVER in his life and has seen nothing like. I read one of the recruits at midnight madness say IU fans are very Knowledgable and he didn’t get that feeling on other visits elsewhere. Indiana basketball receives a lot of exposure and kids know that…..

    Secondly, I think kids are far far more forgiving than adults are, which is the way our society works these days…..I think KS is very engaging to them and they can relate to them. In some cases he is that father figure they are use too or have not had and those things are attractive. I look at his interaction with the players and no matter which player it is, they all give him a balanced amount of respect. The sanctions I believe do not work against him when it comes to the “player” looking at IU…..(unless you know what happens with the ncaa..i don’t want to say the word”)

    Finally, losing a scholarship I don’t believe will have a major affect on IU under the circumstances of our team….we are young, we have kids who may be leaving early, and the unfortunate incident with Bud…I am looking down the road but I think the effects will be minimal.

  • kelin

    Witt….here is a non-insulting post for you…which is my norm whether you agree with me or not….

    What is the attraction to IU despite the poor facilities and the KS cloud? Trying to look through the eyes of a teen phonom I would have to say it is a few things….from a basketball standpoint IU is a “Nationally Exposed” program and the fan base is very knowledgeable and strong. I heard Jamarcus Ellis say at Midnight Madness was the largest crowd he has played in EVER in his life and has seen nothing like. I read one of the recruits at midnight madness say IU fans are very Knowledgable and he didn’t get that feeling on other visits elsewhere. Indiana basketball receives a lot of exposure and kids know that…..

    Secondly, I think kids are far far more forgiving than adults are, which is the way our society works these days…..I think KS is very engaging to them and they can relate to them. In some cases he is that father figure they are use too or have not had and those things are attractive. I look at his interaction with the players and no matter which player it is, they all give him a balanced amount of respect. The sanctions I believe do not work against him when it comes to the “player” looking at IU…..(unless you know what happens with the ncaa..i don’t want to say the word”)

    Finally, losing a scholarship I don’t believe will have a major affect on IU under the circumstances of our team….we are young, we have kids who may be leaving early, and the unfortunate incident with Bud…I am looking down the road but I think the effects will be minimal.

  • robert

    Take this for what it is worth, but a good friend of mine’s brother is on the team with him and he told him that Tyler’s mother does’t want him to go to IU and this was a recent revelation. I’m guessing it has to do with the phone call business. I’m not making this up only relaying information that I was told. Not sure all this plays into his decision, but after talking with him I have the feeling that UNC has the upper hand.

  • robert

    Take this for what it is worth, but a good friend of mine’s brother is on the team with him and he told him that Tyler’s mother does’t want him to go to IU and this was a recent revelation. I’m guessing it has to do with the phone call business. I’m not making this up only relaying information that I was told. Not sure all this plays into his decision, but after talking with him I have the feeling that UNC has the upper hand.

  • robert

    Take this for what it is worth, but a good friend of mine’s brother is on the team with him and he told him that Tyler’s mother does’t want him to go to IU and this was a recent revelation. I’m guessing it has to do with the phone call business. I’m not making this up only relaying information that I was told. Not sure all this plays into his decision, but after talking with him I have the feeling that UNC has the upper hand.

  • robert

    Take this for what it is worth, but a good friend of mine’s brother is on the team with him and he told him that Tyler’s mother does’t want him to go to IU and this was a recent revelation. I’m guessing it has to do with the phone call business. I’m not making this up only relaying information that I was told. Not sure all this plays into his decision, but after talking with him I have the feeling that UNC has the upper hand.

  • robert

    Take this for what it is worth, but a good friend of mine’s brother is on the team with him and he told him that Tyler’s mother does’t want him to go to IU and this was a recent revelation. I’m guessing it has to do with the phone call business. I’m not making this up only relaying information that I was told. Not sure all this plays into his decision, but after talking with him I have the feeling that UNC has the upper hand.

  • Witt

    i feel like this is one of the bucceto’s pizza greek house races at football games… where two kids from 3 different frats and sororities stand there while it ends up just being a random algorithm with animation to determine the winner.

    i guess we’ll know sometime around the ball state game…

  • Witt

    i feel like this is one of the bucceto’s pizza greek house races at football games… where two kids from 3 different frats and sororities stand there while it ends up just being a random algorithm with animation to determine the winner.

    i guess we’ll know sometime around the ball state game…