Glass: Marquee non-conference home game remains unlikely for next season

  • 07/31/2013 8:08 am in

121312auIndiana Athletics Director Fred Glass and basketball coach Tom Crean have been working for some time to find a marquee non-conference opponent to replace Kentucky.

Many schools have been mentioned in recent months — including Kansas, Louisville and Gonzaga — but no home-and-home agreement has come to fruition.

Glass told Inside the Hall on Tuesday that a marquee non-conference home game is unlikely for this coming season.

“We’re getting to the point where I think it’s going to be really challenging for us to get that for this year,” Glass said. “That’s been what we’ve been working on with Tom. We always try to have at least one marquee non-conference opponent. In the past, that was Kentucky, and then in off- Kentucky years, it was our ACC Challenge opponent.

“The Kentucky thing, that sort of threw a curve in it. We’re in between some potential new opportunities. We’re out there. I’m optimistic we’ll have some exciting non-conference teams, but it may be that the Kentucky situation forces us to lose a year.”

As it stands now, the Hoosiers will play non-conference home games against Evansville, North Florida, Oakland University and Kennesaw State.

A further look at what is known of the 2013-2014 schedule is available here.

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  • HoosierTrav

    AGAIN?!?!?!?!?! I’m of the contingent that thinks we should play tough non conference games to prepare our team mentally and physically for the NCAA tournament. You would have thought that this would have been handled/negotiated last year when we KNEW this was the situation. We had a years head start with UK backing out. This is really disappointing for the fans and the students who only get 7-8 games this year. We need to build a bigger venue and start scheduling like a blueblood should. The demand for a Hoosiers ticket is so high and the supply is ULTRA low. This is very disappointing. I hope something is done to accommodate our fan base’s demand. The company I work for keeps growing and they keep building larger facilities to keep up with the demand. Lets get the ball rolling on something here. I love Assembly Hall but a newer, much larger arena would be huge for the long term success of the basketball program. It would most likely put us on the pinnacle of college basketball for a long time. 22k-25k seat facility could be filled. day in and day out. It would also bring additional revenue from concerts and expo’s that could be held there…..

  • CreamandCrimson

    Games in New York against Washington and BC/UConn, at Syracuse and in Indianapolis against Notre Dame mean this won’t be an easy non-conference schedule. That said, the non-conference home schedule is looking….unappealing. If they can’t get a non-marquee opponent, I really hope they focus on bringing in some solid mid-major opponents on stop-gap one year contracts. Let’s play Valparaiso. Let’s play Xavier. Let’s play a couple of schools from the Missouri Valley. There’s no reason to load up the non-conference home schedule with a bunch of 150+ RPI opponents (which will hurt our resume if we end up on the bubble).

  • CreamandCrimson

    I couldn’t disagree more. Tearing down Assembly Hall makes little to no sense to me. Do you know which gym has the 2nd-highest seating capacity in the Big Ten? Assembly Hall (Ohio State seats around 2,000 more). The seating capacity of Assembly Hall has absolutely nothing to do with the inability to schedule a marquee non-conference opponent.

  • BobbyBeingManny

    There’s a number of issues here, some within Glass’s/Crean’s control and some that are not:

    – There is a general trend in college basketball to schedule marquee non-conference games at neutral sites
    – Basketball ticket revenue is a much larger portion of IU’s budget than other schools compared to football and thus must schedule more home games fund the entire department

    – Assembly does not have the additional revenue streams that newer CBB stadiums can provide (e.g. suits, expanded seats, etc.)

    All those above issues aside, Crean and Glass unfortunately have an all or nothing philosphy when it comes to scheduling non-conference games. Most fans would be willing to live with us playing the likes of Valpo, Cincinnati, Ohio, Kent St, Wichita St, Creighton, etc rather than our creampuffs we currently have lined up.

    Glass and Crean try to hit too many home runs and not enough singles and doubles. The bottom line is I don’t want to pay more $ per ticket to see us play a team no better than a pickup group from the HPER.

  • SCHoosier

    I have to cut Glass some slack on scheduling given how far in advance planning is done, problem re: home and home with a quality school…getting most national TV events as possible for recruiting etc etc. Donors, students, other alum groups all want special treatment. I do think long term IU will come up with another marquee name for a home schedule booster. The road games ..pre-season will be all this young team need to be really tested. Home schedule can be used for team development…and not its not pretty for the coming season…but…as they say it is what it is. Regarding a new arena..probably a 5-7 year project if they start the planning today.

  • HoosierTrav

    I realize that Assembly Hall’s seating capacity has nothing to do with scheduling a marquee non con game. I was just stating that it was an issue that needs addressed along with the ticket availability. Sorry if that’s how it read. Tearing down AH and building a larger facility would accommodate our much larger fan base’s demand. The fact that there is going to be less than 2500 tickets available to the general public each game is ridiculous. Do you realize what that will do to ticket prices? NOT GOOD! Not to mention that AH’s plumbing is a disaster and will need completely changed. Renovating will cost darn near as much as building a new facility. I realize the love HoosierNation has for AH. I love the place too. Its just the positives, that would come from building a new facility, seriously outweigh the positives of keeping/renovating AH. Ask Tom Izzo what the Breslin did for his program. Bring a stool though. He’s really short.

  • CreamandCrimson

    I understand what you are saying and you make valid points but I don’t think Assembly Hall needs replaced and I don’t see myself budging from that stance any time soon. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one 🙂

  • HoosierTrav

    Its gotta start somewhere. Better to start now then 2-5 years down the road. Might as well get started now. I know preliminary plans have been approved. I’d assume the funding needs to be there but a season or two with donations and general admission tickets at 268797277097 times the face value should give us the head start we need.

  • HoosierTrav

    Thank You! This is exactly how i feel. We keep talking about how we are a blueblood but our scheduling looks as though we are a mid major. I get that the B1G was really strong last year. But how often is the B1G better than the ACC? With the new ACC, its going to be hard to tell a kid he should play in the B1G when he could be displaying his talents against UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse day in and day out. Somnething will have to seperate us from that built in scheduling.

  • HoosierTrav

    I can live with that.

  • CrimsonandCreamFraiche

    Assembly Hall is IU basketball. There are few historic arenas left in college basketball and we have one of them. You can feel the history when you walk in there. Recruits see it too. Bob Knight throwing the chair across the AH floor, the Watshot, Haston’s buzzer beater, Knight pacing up and down the sidelines in a plaid suit, etc. You lose all of that if they take that building down. You feel like you are a part of something bigger than basketball when you are in there. I think it would be a huge mistake to let dollar signs dictate the future of the facility.

  • Candy Striped Kid

    Have you ever been to assembly hall? there is like 3 good seats.

  • skotchie

    I also posted this on the schedule page in reguard to seasons IU & PU only play once.

    Probably makes too much sense and I can’t imagine logisticlly it would be too difficult, seems to me with the B1G schedulng farse that IU & PU only play once why can’t they play in the Crossroads Classic? Furthermore it would also allow ND & Butler to square off, who wouldn’t want to see that?

  • CreamandCrimson

    I’ve been to Assembly Hall for 2-3 games every season for the past 18 years. I strongly disagree with your statement and have had no problem seeing and enjoying every game I’ve been to.

  • HoosierTrav

    Assembly Hall is a part of IU basketball. We were a storied program before AH was built. Its falling apart. As much as the Bobby Knight tradition means to you and I, it really doesn’t mean that much to todays recruits. Thats just the way it is. What speaks to them is the noise and who’s watching them. Ask Troy Williams and Noah Vonleh why they chose IU…. Its because of Tom Crean and the fans. We wouldn’t lose those things by building a new arena. We wouldn’t lose our tradition by building a bigger arena. We would be building on our tradition. Just as AH, when constructed, helped BUILD our tradition (not create), a bigger and better facility would help build us up even more. There will always be sentimental value in a home that you grow up in but that’s not enough to keep you from moving when the family out grows the house. I wont be able to go to a game this season because the ticket prices to watch us hammer Kennesaw State will be $100/per for balcony seats (which suck btw). B1G games will be 300-500 per ticket for games worth watching. That’s ridiculous. It’s not about chasing the dollar. Its about keeping the fans (customers) happy and building on our legacy. More Seats=More Revenue=More Scholarships=Better Facilities For All Sports and Education. To say IU’s tradition would be forgotten or lost by building anew is just flat out wrong. I definitely respect the heck out of your affinity for AH. I share the same feelings. I just dont let that cloud what makes total sense for our university. This isnt in the same category as Calipari wanting to play a s*&t ton of games in football stadiums. We rely heavily on the revenue our bball team generates. We don’t have tradition or 100k plus stadiums to fill for football. OSU’s bball arena and Michigans Chrysler Arena renovation was built on football money.

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    If the schedule is going to be weak I would rather see us bring in the in state schools instead of North Florida, Kennesaw State etc etc.

    I understand the whole trap game scenario but we handled Ball State with ease last year, and with the talent we will have going forward playing Indiana State, Valpo, Ball State, Evansville, IUPUI, Butler, Notre Dame (alternate Crossroads Classic years) should be a focus instead of smaller schools with little or no story line in place of a game against an instate rival. Throw in a Cincinnati, Depaul, or St Louis and I would say that would be a step in the right direction.

    I would say why the whole Louisville situation has not unfolded is based on Louisville begining ACC play in 2014. We would become natural geographical rivals in that series and we could expect to see a home and home series beginning in 2014 and following in 2015. Schools have played home and home series back to back years in the ACC challenge before so I would bet that is likely to occur with us and Louisville.

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    I have sat in every portion of Assembly Hall over the years and cannot complain once about any view of the court. Of course it is tight upstairs but I don’t mind if that is where I am sitting.

  • Candy Striped Kid

    Ya’ll sound like some homers. Anyway, I’m not gonna tell you “you’re wrong” but for me, its a poorly designed venue. The balcony is too far away from the court and underneath the balcony the acoustics are terrible, which is a shame because the band is so awesome. I could go on but whats the point?

  • CrimsonandCreamFraiche

    I understand what you are saying and I know that there was tradition before AH. We obviously won two titles before it opened. I guess its essentially the same argument they are having about Wrigley Field. But if revenue is a big part of the process then I can’t see them turning down offers for naming rights. I don’t want to watch games in the Wendy’s Baconator Arena like Louisville with the KFC Yum! Center. Nothing says tradition like a building with a ridiculous name.

  • HoosierTrav

    I totally agree with you. Hopefully, if it gets to the point that we build a new arena, we can limit advertising to billboard, jumbo tron, and maybe some court space. I’m not sure how it would work exactly. I really dont want to be going to games at the Wendy’s Baconator arena either.

  • Ole Man

    The balcony is basically “right on top of the court”. That’s one of the home team advantages.
    You obviously have not visited a lot of other venues if you think our balcony is far away.

  • Ole Man

    This year, as young as the team is, I’m glad we don’t have the Xaviers on the schedule.

  • Ole Man

    If you look at our scheduling, traditionally over the years, it has been no better or worse than the other BBall powers.
    Too much is being made of this.
    ALL the marquee teams play creampuffs; without exception.

  • Hoosiers__1

    How are there 2,500 tickets available to the general public for each game? The student section (7.500 seats/game) sold double its allotment, so students get at most half the games. I’d assume alumni/fans/faculty already have bought the rest of the season tickets through the Varsity Club?

  • Ole Man

    Enough with tearing down AH. Yes; it has quirks and faults. It is also known as the toughest road contest in the B1G, and for good reason.
    We have plenty of money; a new arena wouldn’t “help” our scheduling; and guess what? More seats doesn’t mean more student ticket sales. It means more alumni sales. Think I’m crazy? Go to a UNC game at the Dean Dome sometime. That’s a classic example of doing exactly what you’re proposing; and it’s results.
    Let’s be thankful for what we have in AH.
    And let’s stop the stupid talk about rebuilding.

  • plane1972

    Good post, Manny.

    I’d rather see the Crossroads Classic changed to a home-and-home format where ND and Butler could visit and host IU and Purdue in a four-year cycle. The current Indy double-header is fine, but the home-and-home arrangement would help accommodate getting Kentucky, Louisville, Kansas, etc. on a neutral court and, possibly add a mid-major home-and-home with a Gonzaga, Wichita St., VCU-type opponent.

    I would call that a grand slam!

  • keithsmart87

    I’d like to see us play UCLA. Two storied programs. Alford back in Assembly Hall. Etc, etc.

  • CrimsonandCreamFraiche

    I could live with that. I think they should use the same style of building if you do go that route. Maybe call it the New Assembly Hall. But one of my favorite aspects is how on each of the walls behind the baskets you can see the banners hanging in front of the wall. No other arena displays the banners as well as AH in my opinion.

  • Dan

    You forgot to mention when Indiana didn’t want to play kentucky on a neutral court the game was cancelled.
    But, u of l offered to play home and home just when the uk v iu series was cancelled and iu wanted I part

  • TomEke

    Bring on the cupcakes… I thought we were done with that once we stopped going 6 – 25 ?
    I’ll be interested to see how much this might hurt our SOS / RPI come March.

  • Michael Crawley

    It is funny that something like a building can spawn such debate. I have gone to games about once or twice a year for the past 15 years. I have sat in the balcony as well as in the middle. It is tight compact and uncomfortable – viewing angles at times are terrible.

    There is something to the smell of the popcorn and looking at the banners when you walk in, it is breath taking. Let the planners plan the building – and let us go watch our team play. The tradition that matters is when a team walks on that court ready to play basketball against my Hoosiers. They are all D1 teams and each player worked hard to play at the college level so let them play. I would like to see the big matchup and we will get it I’m sure but we will get a lot of tough teams when we play in the BIG.

    What are our chances against Wisconsin this year!

  • Miamihoosier

    If we are going to be a program who consistently has early entry guys to the draft (we will be), playing murderers row in the non conference is just stupid. There are growing pains with new starting line ups, I’d rather not be experiencing those growing pains by getting blasted at Kansas, or having my blood pressure spike in a sqeaker with Valparaiso. Get your line ups and rotations right against Kennesaw, maybe we find a regular contributor we wouldn’t otherwise with the ability to get everyone minutes in games like these. At Syracuse the first week of December, is going to be a monster challenge. Throw in the games in NYC, and Notre Dame, and I’m good. We’ll be lucky to be 12-1 after that, could even be 10-3. You don’t want to carry less than 10 wins in to the Big Ten. If we went 10-8 or 11-7 in the league, 20/21 wins doesn’t guarantee you anything with the tournament.

  • skotchie

    Well there are a couple of programs pre-season schedules I look forward to watching year after year, those being Michigan St and Gonzaga. They both play tough out of conference schedules.

  • skotchie

    Yes but for that matter 25 wins may not get you in if you go 10-8 in conference and didn’t play anyone else.
    Watch bracketolgy towards the end of the season and listen to the “experts” argue about it.

  • Kyl470

    I completely agree. If you are a pre seaon top 25 team which IU will be there is no reason to kill yourself early on.

  • Ron Chron

    A Kansas game would be crazyyy. I would consider getting a Wiggins jersey lol

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    I sound like a homer because I am a homer. When a historic piece of history is a part of what you bleed for you must realize it and always stand up for it. I am 33 years old and have never known anything but Assembly Hall. If you think the acoustics are poor then I suggest you fork out the cash and get a seat on the floor during a Big Ten game and then analyze the acoustics. I have and I know there is a pretty big reason on why opposing players say they can’t hear themselves think during games. It is because of the acoustics my friend.

    Nothing is ever perfect, and things can always be improved. Once something is removed that is finite and it can never be replaced after the solution is in complete. The solution is never a definite upgrade either. Pros and cons have to be weighed and I will stand behind Indiana for whatever they do, but I just can’t imagine IU Basketball without The Real Assembly Hall.

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    EXACTLY!!!!! Very good points!!!!!!

  • The_Real_Assembly_Hall

    ??

  • Candy Striped Kid

    haha dude, they tore down yankee stadium. its just a crappy building that happens to entertain millions with usually an awesome product

  • Andrew

    Less than 2500 tickets available to the general public each game? What in the world are you talking about? Students get 7800 per game. The 14,500 number you probably read referred to total student tickets sold. Methinks you’re confused.

  • plane1972

    Not sure I agree. The formula you are referring to is basically what Izzo does every year, regardless of the experience of his team. They face killers in the preseason, which prepares them for the B1G, then on to the Dance.

  • HoosierTrav

    I misunderstood. I was under the impression that there were 15,000 students at each game. My bad.

  • HoosierTrav

    Definitely was confused.

  • HoosierTrav

    They do but they also schedule tougher non cons than we do as wwell. to schedule zero two years in a row is disappointing to me.

  • Andrew

    You are right of course–more seats wouldn’t mean more student tix. IU already sells the most student tix in the country and certainly wouldn’t add more if we had a new arena (we would need more than BTN money to pay for it). But keep in mind that the majority of ITH posters aren’t students and thus would be happy with a bigger arena and easier access to tix, even if that only means like 3,000 more.

    Someday relatively soon (read: w/in 20 years) IU will build a new arena (keep in mind AH is 42 years old), and we can only hope in addition to more seats and a more unified student section, that some aspects of The Hall are kept. It’s not a pipe dream. Look at the Comcast Center. They kept the spirit of Cole FH alive w/ the steep endzone behind the visiting team’s second half basket. When IU finally gets around to building a new place, there’s no reason it has to be a cookie-cutter like the Dean Dome. I’m envisioning the seats behind the basket scary and intimidating, like the bleachers we have now, only on steroids (sorry A-Rod). Instead of 20 rows on either end like AH, it should be 50 rows…all for students. Tell me that wouldn’t be an improvement, especially since only one AH end zone is occupied by students these days.

  • Miamihoosier

    Scotchie, your example has never and will never apply to a Big Ten team. The teams you’d have to beat to have a winning record in the league would prevent it.

  • Miamihoosier

    Izzo’s progam is established in a way where they kind of reload with Juniors and Seniors every year. They don’t produce early entry players at the same rate we just did, and are expected to do. If they lose Gary Harris and Branden Dawson after this year, THEN their situation will be comparable, and I promise you, Izzo will not be happy he’s playing 3 or 4 top 25 teams in the pre season…unless they get that package deal of Tyus Jones and Jahlil Okafor, they may not make the tourney in 14/15.

  • HoosierTrav

    Always bad odds against them. Bo has Creans number.

  • Miamihoosier

    I totally agree with this. Pauley is the least intimidating home court of any blue blood program by far, but gives you great resume cred. ESPN or CBS would give this game top billing, and it would increase our exposure with west coast recruits.