ESPN updates its 2012, 2013 and 2014 rankings

  • 05/24/2011 1:53 pm in refreshed its 2012, 2013 and 2014 recruiting rankings early this afternoon and here’s a look at where some of the Indiana commitments and targets checked in:

2012 Class

Mitch McGary (No. 4)
Gary Harris (No. 16)
Yogi Ferrell (No. 34)
Jeremy Hollowell (No. 41)
Hanner Perea (No. 49)
Ron Patterson (No. 86)
Peter Jurkin (unranked)

2013 Class

Devin Davis Jr. (unranked)
Collin Hartman (unranked)

2014 Class

Trey Lyles (No. 5)
Jaquan Lyle (No. 10)
James Blackmon Jr. (No. 24)
Trevon Bluiett (No. 35)

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  • Anonymous

    Any news on when McGary or Harris is going to make their decision?

  • Wow, nailing that 2014 class is almost, if not more important, than the 2012 class. 

  • jgongora86

    I completely disagree with this pathetic excuse for a ranking system.   I know I’m a hoosier and I might be looking it through hoosier glasses but Ferrel and Perea got hosed. 

  • Anonymous

    If these rankings stay about the same and IU doesn’t add to this class a top five ranking will most likely happen but no way it’ll be number one unless it seems Mitch McGary comes on board and then it’ll be a top two class for sure.  Gary Harris would probably move them into the top 3 or 4 and no additions and this class is 5-7 nationally. 

  • Beard

    Can there really be four 15 year olds better than Trey Lyles?  I cannot imagine too many with his size and ball handling skills.  

  • Anonymous

    I agree, this is another reason I have not gotten over excited about these guys… yes they will turn our program around and get us back to the upper crest but I def do not think they will hang a banner… Not with UK, KU, UNC and Duke getting the types of players they get every year… To put things in perspective, our 2012 class would be average or below average for the previously metioned schools.

  • Anonymous

    Sad, but true.

  • INUnivHoosier

    Kudos to Mitch for making the move to get his situation straightened out. The result is better ball and better grades.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not concerned with the rankings. We could have the top 5 players in the class and if they can’t play together it won’t matter.  The only thing that concerns me with this group (2012 commits) is the fact that RP jumped ship from the AAU team.  I haven’t been able to keep up with the chatter like I would like to, but hope the guys can come together when it counts and all is well with RP.

  • Anonymous

    I would thoroughly agree with all the rankings except 3. I think Ron Patterson should be much much higher than 86. he should be 50-60 range. Peter Jurkin’s upside is too good to have him unranked. Yea he’s timid and a little awkward at this stage…but you can’t pass up that upside. Collin Hartman unranked—– ??? huh? I do agree with Perea’s dip. He’s got a long way to go offensively before he is anywhere close to his potential.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t mind getting guys ranked where our recruits are ranked. It minimizes the chance of a one and done. It’s similar to Purdue’s class of 2007, but deeper. Had Hummel not gotten hurt and Martin not transferred, that class could have been special. 

  • MillaRed

    I disagree, almost completely. Difference being they are all Indiana kids, playing with each other right now. If you are looking at rankings only, that is one thing. But the other schools are a collection of kids that have no idea of who each other is. And they are not joining in to turn around a program. They could probably care less.

    John Wall and Cousins really love Kentucky. Yeah right.

    This 2012 class is special. And if they all were not already committed to Indiana the rankings would be completely different. It’s a joke. And….we…..are INDIANA!

  • Just an update. If you go to Davis and Hartman’s profile, both are listed as No. 61. ESPN only ranks 60 right now for 2013, so I’m not sure if the ranking on the profile is an error or what. Both are listed as “unranked” here as they’re not on the top 60.

  • Kelin Blab

    Jaquan Lyle could end up higher. He is a player and I expect Blackmon Jr. to do the same. Bluiett is a winner and should end up higher but not any lower.

    Devin Davis and Hartman have new motivation

    McGary #4 wow

  • Anonymous

    I am kind of with the Both of you. 
    On one hand, I think people do highly over rate our recruits.  For instance, Hanner is not as good as people think he is.  Does he have a ton of potential as a result of his athletisism? Yes, but that doesn’t make you a good player.
    I think we have a 5-10 ranked class.  I think it would be great to get McGary and Harris.  Frankly, I am a little upset Crean can’t control his recruiting a little better as to save a spot for the top 2 guys from our state!  Even when the class is stacked in the state of Indiana for 2012.  I know McGary has ascended the rankings rather quicky but there is not excuse as to why we currently don’t have a spot on our roster for the 2 best players in the state of Indiana.  Success in recruiting is all relative.  Given what Crean has to work with in 2012 in the state, I give him an B+.
    On the other hand, to MillaRed’s point, its all what you do on the floor.  A team is exactly that, a team!  No one player makes the entire team.  Butler and Wisconsin are case and point.  Furthermore, if you have a solid class of 5 guys staying 4 years, which I think most of these guys are, all you need is them to play to thier potential and have one over succeed and you will be a top 10 team in 3-4 years, especially with the 2014 class coming.  Furthermore, I agree with MillaRed’s point – these guys are coming to IU for something more and will have a much deeper bond having played with each other for a season and since they were little.  That means something!  No other school is like that!  That’s why “ITS INDIANA”! AND THAT’S WHY I CARE SO MUCH.
    No, this class is not the next Fab Five.  On the other hand they play a huge part towards IU making a ton of headway on the large mountain we need to climb.  Maybe they get us over the top as Junior / Seniors (Championship) or they don’t.  Just in case, we have 2014 to help shove us up and over.

    Besides the Harris / McGary debacle, I think Crean is building up this program just fine…as long as he coaches these guys up to their potential.

  • Anonymous

    Are tickets on sale yet for the Indiana All-Stars vs. Junior All-Stars at Washington High School on June 6th yet? If not, how and when can they be acquired?

  • RobD

    the “Harris / McGary debacle”? Perspective, perspective. IF Crean wants both these guys, then there will be a scholarship available. 7 freshmen on one team, though? There’s only one ball…

  • RobD

    Yeah, McGary at #4 is absurd. That’s a straight-to-the-NBA ranking in past years. 

    Let’s not forget that Eric Bledsoe was #23 in 2009. There is no shame in being in the 30s like Yogi, especially at his height. 

  • Should be able to buy them at the door. I wouldn’t expect a sellout.

  • Anonymous

    These rankings seem about right…lets not freak out.  That group of kids can make one damn good basketball team.  Congrats on the accolades guys, stay motivated.  

    Better yet, WE HAVE STUDENT ATHLETES! Congrats to the kids on the good grades, better for them in the long term.  

  • InTheMtns

    Debacle? Seriously? Wow.

  • oldred1976

    Looks like the under ranked Hoosiers will just have to put a serious shellacking on some people.

    IMHO a great big bunch of incentive

  • Anonymous

    Keep in mind that there is a very slim chance that all 9 of these commitments come through.  If McGary wants to come to IU, we may see Jurkin back out of his scholarship.  The same may be true for Patterson if Harris commits.  These things have a way of working themselves out.

    Regardless, Crean has done an exceptional job locking down the state and I can’t wait to see the Hoosiers back in the tourney and competing for Big 10 titles.

  • Anonymous

    As long as the players being recruited are team-oriented, hard working, and talented players, rankings do not matter much.  

  • Anonymous

    Thank you sir for the feedback.

  • Anonymous

    Man I hope you’re wrong—at least about Buss.  That guy is the defensive beast that every team needs.

  • Anonymous

    WOW!  CTC gets a B+?  I don’t care what the rankings say, I will take Yogi over anyone in the state without reservation.  I think he ends up being Mr. Basketball, which would give CTC 3 Mr. Basketballs in a row.  Yogi is going to be special.  Even IF (and it is a big if) McGary and Harris are the two best players from Indiana, it still means that CTC locked up 4 of the top 6.  That is a haul!  I know a lot of you have disagreed with me on this, but I think McGary is nowhere near a top 5 player in that class. 

    The ’12 class has a potential impact player at EVERY position on the floor AND they are all Indiana kids. 

    CTC gets an A+ from me.

  • Anonymous

    A couple thoughts:

    * I don’t really care about rankings, so I’m not overly upset or worried.  All of them are very good to great players who will make an immediate impact.  Who cares if Perea is #48 or #20?   I think Yogi and Buss are underrated.  Every time Alex posts a video of Yogi, my productivity at work drops to zero.  It is must-see TV.  And Buss is such a well-rounded player that I have to believe he should be higher.

    * I’m not too concerned about Davis and Hartman falling out of the top 60.  I don’t think any of us expected either to jump in and start as Freshmen.  They are going to be glue guys who will deepen our rotation. 

    * The 2014 class is ridiculous.  Anyone want to wager a guess at who wins the ’14 Mr. Basketball?  What a class!  I hope we end up with those 4 and call it a day.

  • Anonymous

    I quit reading at B+ ….i probably should have read more before penning a reply, but REALLY??  A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Do you know the difference between “potential” and “actual”? Given the situation CTC was in, i think he makes the Dean’s list in the recruiting category. Of course, that’s just my opinion…i could be wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Well, if you do read it all I go on to say that I am actually rather happy with Crean’s recruiting job for 2012 and happy over all…I have commented many times on this site how he was the right fit for this job given the state we were in and how well he has done with it.
    Furthermore, I think you are all taking the word debacle a slight too much to heart.  I will take the blame for using the wrong word perhaps.
    However, regardless of how good the class is currently (and, as I mention, it is VERY GOOD), you can’t deny it is “something” when you don’t have spots for the top 2 ranked players in your state, regardless of what you think of rankings (b/c I too want Yogi and Hanner any day).  Whether that “something” is a debacle, miscalculation, poor strategy, an accident, etc…its “something”.

    Now look, everything will likely be just fine. I tend to think it will be. 

    However, if Gary Harris drops 30 on us and beats us at MSU in three years, I’ll be mad.  If McGary goes to UNC and wins a National Championship, I’ll be mad.  And you should too.  That’s my fear.  If we lose out on them b/c they decide to go elsewhere, that’s one thing.  If they go elsewhere b/c we have no spots, that’s another thing.

    At the end of the day, time will tell.  I love the guys we have (skill and character) and I will cheer them on like crazy. 

  • Plane1972

    My grandfather was fond of saying “get while the gettin’s good.” Someone else mentioned a bird in the hand. CTC has filled the 2012 class with quality guys that may or may not have skills beyond college ball, but most will be solid 4-year guys. You don’t hold out offering them a scholarship simply because you hope some other kid is going to end up ranked higher and then decide to fill your recruiting class. Recruiting with the benefit of hindsight is quite a bit easier than what CTC does everyday.

  • MillaRed

    Dude, you are not making any sense. You don’t recruit based on rankings. McGary was completely off the map when we started recruiting this class and Harris has been steady but undecided. You want to back off on Hollowell, wait on Harris and then figure out you have none of them when he commits to MSU??????

    Either way it’s just not how things get done. I know you are one of us so I’ll chill here. But saying “we don’t have spots for the top two etc” just doesn’t make any sense!!!

  • MillaRed

    I know I am bored, but every time I see McGary at #4 I just chuckle. If we ever needed a black and white example of how completely dumb recruiting boards are, that would be it.

    I doubt he’ll be a Hoosier and that’s fine with me. I kind of expect a complete thud when he doesn’t hit these expectations.

  • InTheMtns

    “If we lose out on them b/c they decide to go elsewhere, that’s one thing.  If they go elsewhere b/c we have no spots, that’s another thing.”
    If we had saved two scholarships for them and they decided to go elsewhere and that meant that we also missed out on two of the Ferrell-Patterson-Perea-Jerkin-Hollowells, then that also would be another thing, too, wouldn’t it?
    Keep it, I think you can rest assured that if we lose out on Harris (not sure about McGary), it’s because he decided to go elsewhere. Fans and coaching staffs worry about scholarship numbers, 5-star recruits do not.I understand your passion for this, though.

  • The 2012 rankings are the most meaningful.  High school kids grow and mature and franky other than lyles and Blackmon – it is hard to project how good they will be.

    The rankings for 2012 are very misleading.  A good example is Yogi.  He was the best PG in the AAU and allstar games I watched on TV.  He was smart.  He had few if any TO.  He passed the ball and played good D.  He did not get the headlines but I compare him to Quinn Buckner – just a better shooter.  He is the key.  You add in JH, HP, with CZ and Yogi with Buss – you have a really good BTen team.   Now you add the Vets to this and I feel they should win a BTen title and in 1-2 yrs make a run to the Elite Eight.  Anything better means CTC is doing an outstanding job!

  • Anonymous

    All.  Trust me, I get the game.  I knew we took Jurkin, Patterson and Hartman (all great guys and players not as highly-regarded as others) not only b/c of their talent, character and fit but b/c they were willing to commit and Crean needed some recruiting momentum and we were not in a place, as a program, to hold out.

    When it comes down to it, I am just a very greedy fan…I get nervous when two really good players from our state may not be wearing candy stripes.  It frustrates me when guys like Zeller and May go to other programs and compete for National Championships…I want those days over.

    We are so very close to turning that trend around.

    Crean has done great!  I love all the guys in the 2012 class.  Together, they will make a great team!  That’s what matters. 

  • Silverhairedchairthrower

    It’s fine to check out what the incoming guys are doing and get excited, but as for ranking these kids, dear god, let’s get just a little bit of a grip on ourselves.  It is simply preposterous.  We all go ga-ga over unproven potential, who has the highest ceiling – blah, blah, blah.  The thing is, if you’re reading this blog, and I sure am, we are all suckers for this BS.  It’s fun to speculate and get conversation going, but I hope we all realize that all of this hype means absolutely nothing until the kids step on the court as a team, and then we’ll see what happens.  IU fans have a lot of reasons to be optimistic about the future, but let’s check ourselves just a bit, and not get bent out of shape about the number that somebody stuck next to a 16 year old kid.