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  • 07/28/2008 7:00 am in

Back in the summer of 2007 (we say that like it was so long ago), we formed Inside the Hall as a place to talk Hoosier basketball 365 days a year. We’re now officially in the dog days of summer: the AAU circuit is wrapping up, the former Hoosiers have found their new homes and the new coaching staff is finally settling into their offices in Bloomington.

With that said, we’ve been forced to go to the drawing board for some creative ideas to keep the discussion moving forward. And luckily, we’ve managed to do that in a manner that we think you’ll enjoy.

Here’s the task: Counting down the top 10 players to ever don the cream and crimson. It’s going to work like this: You give us your lists in the comments and your input will count as 1/4 of the final result. The three of us will also make our lists and we’ll put this information together and count down the top 10.

Those of you who are already actively commenting, keep doing your thing. Those of you who read everyday and never comment, now is the time to enter the conversation. (If you’re not sure how to get started with the whole commenting thing, click here.) We’ll give it until Saturday to allow the lists to come in and then we’ll get started with the festivities next week. Now, get to work on those lists, boys and girls.

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  • Well, it really depends on how you base your top ten on: talent, statistics, memorable moments, championships, individual achievements, etc. While Marco only played one season, underachieved, and didn't win any kind of titles, he still had a couple of other things to be included on my top 50 list. He had a lot of talent, just took it for granted and never got into the shape he needed to be in. Memorable moments, he shredded Duke for 36? points in a game that soon won't be forgotten because of the loud and electric atmosphere at Assembly Hall, one Coach K called the loudest place he'd ever seen or been to. Statistics, he averaged 17.1ppg and 7.8rpg. I believe that warrants a spot in the top 50, although if i did a top 100, who knows where he would be placed. (-:

  • xxBHxx

    Im a bit of a young buck (graduated IU in 07) but a lifelong fan that has watched almost every game since i was concieved..

    1. Calbert Cheaney
    2. Isiah Thomas
    3. Scott May
    4. Steve Alford
    5. Jay Edwards
    6. Damon Bailey
    7. DJ White
    8. Eric Gordon
    9. Brian Evans
    10. Alan Henderson

    honorable mention : AJ Guyton

  • Some of the things i look at when making a list such as this.

    talent.
    overall statistics.
    team championships (Big 10, NCAA, NIT).
    memorable moments.
    individual achievements.

    and whatever else you can think of.

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  • louisianahoosier

    Jimmy Rayl
    Quinn Buckner
    Scott May
    Isiah Thomas
    D. J. White
    Calbert Cheaney
    George McGinnis
    Damon Bailey
    Mike Woodson
    Kent Benson

  • My dream team, and the bench. 13 players on scholarship and 3 walk-ons. I beefed up the frontcourt since that has plagued us for like the last 10 or so years.

    C. Walt Bellamy
    PF. George McGinnis
    SF. Calbert Cheaney
    SG. Steve Alford
    PG. Isiah Thomas

    SF. Scott May
    PG. Quinn Buckner
    PF. Alan Henderson
    SG. Jimmy Rayl
    PF. D.J. White
    SG. Eric Gordon
    C. Don Schlundt
    C. Kent Benson
    G-F. Mike Woodson (Walk-on)
    PG. Tom Coverdale (Walk-on)
    G-F. A.J. Moye (Walk-on)

  • cschneiderlv

    McGinnis
    Bellamy
    May
    Benson
    Schlundt
    Thomas
    Bailey
    Woodson
    Cheany
    Alford

  • hoosierphil45

    1. Calbert Chaney
    2. Damon Bailey
    3. Brian Evans
    4. A.J. Guyton
    5. Kent Benson
    6. Alan Henderson
    7. Isiah Thomas
    8. Scott May
    9. Walt Bellamy
    10. Steve Alford

  • NC Fat Boy

    Um, some might have a different perspective of Mike Davis successfully sent May to UNC.

  • TXHoosier

    This is coming from a guy who was just old enough to figure out what was going on in the late '80s, and since all the comments only account for a quarter of the final results, you'll hopefully excuse me for leaving out some of the pre-ESPN greats:

    1. Calbert Cheaney
    2. Steve Alford
    3. Isiah Thomas
    4. Alan Henderson
    5. Scott May
    6. Damon Bailey
    7. Jared Jeffries
    8. Quinn Buckner
    9. DJ White
    10. AJ Guyton

  • TXHoosier

    I'm definitely for the fan favorite lists…then I can include guys like Michael Lewis, Greg Graham, and Matt Nover without feeling like I'm snubbing someone.

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    Neil Reed
    Jay Edwards
    Andre Harris

    (oh….wait…wrong list)

    1. Calbert Cheany
    2. Steve Alford
    3. Isiah
    4. May
    5. Benson
    6. Bellamy
    7. DJ
    8. Henderson
    9.Guyton
    10.Smart (hey…big shot)

  • student

    Ok, I can agree with you on that. Allen was never used properly though, he was really an NBA-type soft power forward, but KS played him as a 5 where he was really uncomfortable. But even still, he was miles ahead of our other big guys. Imagine what DJ could've done without teams constantly double teaming him and leaving our other worthless forwards open. (How many times did we see Taber pass with a wide open ten footer?)
    I've also heard nothing but good things Kellen.

  • student

    He was. He had a kid and got married, all in the middle of the season. Kinda feel for him.

  • student

    I'm young, but I'm Bloomington born and raised, been around IU games my whole life. I was born in February, so one of my first activities on Earth was wathcing Hoosier basketball. So they wouldn't scare me when they cheered, my parents would whisper player's names when they did something good…. “Lindon Jonessss”…. So, this list includes players that I've seen on ESPN Classic and I might be missing some older greats. But anyway…

    1. Kent Benson
    2. Scott May
    3. Isiah Thomas
    4. Calbert Cheaney
    5. Alan Henderson
    6. Steve Alford
    7. Calbert Cheaney
    8. AJ Guyton
    9. DJ White
    10. Andrae Patterson

  • gregmquinn

    I have only been a hardcore Hoosier fan for 20 years, so I'm going to leave out players before that time, but a few comments on other voters' lists:

    I am shocked by all of the love Andrae Patterson is getting. He is unquestionably one of the most disappointing players of the last 20 years.

    I am also disappointed by the lack of enthusiasm for Brian Evans. We have never seen a player do so much with so little.

    Here's my list, in order of greatness:

    1. Calbert Cheaney (No explanation needed here.)
    2. Steve Alford (Ditto, but did you see Jay Bilas left him off his list of 25 greatest 3 point shooters?!?! Outrageous!)
    3. Alan Henderson (Consumate post player who absolutely carried teams.)
    4. D.J. White (We've never had a classier kid play in our uniform.)
    5. Brian Evans (Way better than he should have been.)
    6. Jay Edwards (As talented as anyone we've seen)
    7. Damon Bailey (The posterchild for Indiana basketball.)
    8. A.J. Guyton (It's nice to see him make so many list here. Played during a tough time for IU hoops.)
    9. Kirk Haston (First round draft pick? This kid played his heart out every night.)
    10. Greg Graham (You know you've got a great team when this guy is a role player.)

    Honorable mention: Smart, Coverdale, Hillman, Bracey, EJ.

    Great job on this post ITH! Keep these topics coming.

  • outanames

    You asked for the 10 best players which I take it means those who had careers beyond their time at IU, therefore here's mine:

    1. George McGinnis
    1. Isiah Thomas
    2. Walt Bellamy
    3. Dick VanArsdale
    4. Tom VanArsdale
    5. Kent Benson
    6.Jon McGlocklin
    7.Scott May
    8.Calbert Cheaney
    9.Archie Dees

  • outanames

    I'm aware I left out several who were big stars at IU, however I think these were ultimately the best ten players from IU. It may be just a play on words that make this selection difficult.

  • Coverdale!

  • you forgot Isiah on that list.

    there's absolutely no question that he is in the top three, if not the best, player in IU basketball history.

  • and i'm an idiot cause i just saw your four-year rule…which i really like.

    how close would Brian Evans come to making your list? he stayed four years and was Big Ten Player of the Year his senior year and a first round draft pick. would he bump out Garrett?

  • Mathman

    I graduated from IU in '90.I became a fan in the early 70's watching games with my dad. The first game I remember was beating Kentucky in “74, so I limitted my list to the guys I have seem play.
    My list in no particular order

    Calbert Cheaney
    Steve Alford
    Isiah Thomas
    Kent Benson
    Scott May
    Randy Wittman
    Alan Henderson
    Mike Woodson
    Quinn Buckner
    Damon Bailey

    Of those I haven't seen, I'd have to consider Walt Bellamy, Don Schundt, Jimmy Rayl, Steve Downing, And the Van Arsdales.

  • Todd Jadlow, Brian Sloan, Magnus Peplowski, Mike Roberts, Ross (linebacker from football team), Scary Larry, Kregh Smith, Delray Brooks, Todd Lindeman, and the best in the history of IU Phil Isenbarger.

  • NC Fat Boy

    Wow, you really like Calbert, huh? 🙂

  • b_side

    1) Calbert Cheaney
    2) Zeke
    3) Alford
    4) Kent Benson
    5) Alan Henderson
    6) Bellamy
    7) Jay Edwards
    8) George McGinnis
    9) Scott May
    10) Mike Woodson

  • TXHoosier

    Was wondering when Jadlow would to come up…about all I remember was my dad screaming at him through the TV 3 or 4 times a game. I'd also nominate the dominant twin elephants Robbie Eggers and Richard Mandeville.

  • NC Fat Boy

    1. Calbert Cheaney
    2. Walt Bellamy
    3. Isaiah Thomas
    4. Kent Benson
    5. Jimmy Rayl
    6. Scott May
    7. Steve Alford
    8. Quinn Buckner
    9. Tom Van Arsdale
    10. Dick Van Arsdale

  • junkman

    I'm too young to remember Don Schlundt or Jimmy Rayl…So I will stick with the players I can remember watching…

    1. Calbert Chaney
    2. Steve Alford
    3. Allan Henderson
    4. Damon Bailey
    5. Kirk Haston
    6. DJ White
    7. Brian Evans
    8. Eric Gordon
    9. Greg Graham
    10. Jay Edwards

    I know Isaiah Thomas / Mike Woodson / Walt Bellamy / etc… are in the top 10 of players in IU history, but I never remember watching them play…and I'm 30 years old…so its not like I'm too far off the general demographic of this blog…

  • junkman

    No love for Haris Mujazenovic ??

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  • TXHoosier

    Only if he wears the mask.

  • Outoftheloop

    1. Don Schlundt-NCAA Champs best player
    2. Scott May-NCAA Champs best player
    3. Isiah Thomas-NCAA Champs best player
    4. Steve Alford-NCAA Champs best player
    5 Jimmy Rayl-A true “Hoosiers” guy
    6. Walt Bellamy-One of top 20 NBA All-Time
    7. Calbert Cheaney-“Mr” Scorer and NCAA Final Four
    8. George McGinnis+Steve Downing-for 6 years in HS and college can't have one without the other
    9. Mike Woodson-“Mr” Consistent
    10. Jared Jefferies-NCAA 2nd Place best player
    11. Bobby Wilkerson-No better talent, a “Dr. J” game
    I was born and raised in Bloomington and actually saw them all play. Let's invite Coach Knight to town and Honor him. Let's support Coach Crean's guys 100%. Let's have some Fun again in the Hall!

  • IUBBALL81

    I like your list and also agree in bringing back Coach Knight.
    All Hoosiers including the current administration in B-TOWN should
    bury the hatchet with Coach Knight.
    Coach Knight should be brought back when the new practice facility is completed and have the building named after him.
    Coach Knight always did say that he would rather practice then play a regular
    scheduled game!

  • Outoftheloop

    Thanks and Yes!


    Rick Darby
    email: [email protected]

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    IU's new AD Harry Gonso should make this decision.

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  • DJW

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    Top 10 …but can't conclude on a 1 to 10 order:

    George McGinnis
    Don Schlundt
    T&D Vanarsdale
    Scott May
    Isiah Thomas
    Quin Buckner
    Steve Alford
    Calbert Chaney
    Walt Bellamy

  • DJW

    Loop:

    Did you actually get the chance to see Don Schlundt play?

    If so…that's outstanding

  • Outoftheloop

    Yes, I was 5 1/2, or so. I got my hair cut at a barber's shop called “Woodys” on 3rd Street near Jordan Ave. and met Charley Krack (sp?) a foreward on the team. My dad wouldn't waste a ticket on me because I was too young to “appreciate” it. I told Charley. Next thing I knew Dad was taking me to the games where I sat with “Mid Burger” who owned a small hamburger-milk shake place next to the Princess Theater on N. Walnut. Mid and her husband gave free food to lots of athletes in Bloomington for many years, including Charley Krack. Someone in the athletic department made sure that Mid had some extra seats around her for “guests”. Later on I remember getting a coupon for a free milk shake for each “over-the-fence” home run in little league from Mid, I received my first at 10.

  • DJW

    I just finished the book “Mac's Boys”. It the book about Branch McCracken
    and the Legendary 1953 Hurryin Hoosiers.

    I brought it online for almost pennies and it came like a new book.

    The book was outsatnding and tells great stories about Branch, Slick Leonard
    Schlundt and others on that team. Lots of mentioning of the old Bloomington
    and the campus that you would dearly remember.

    I have two boys presently at IU…senior and junior.

    I too have followed IU since I was a young boy (born 4/27/47) but Walt
    Bellamy is about as far back as I can remember even though Schlundt was from South
    Bend where I was born and raised, I was on campus for the U Conn game this
    last year and went to the game…first ever.

    Hoosier Basketball is part of my soul and I am so excited with the new coach
    coming in.

    I truly regret Bob Knight's demise as he was all part of IU great tradition.

    I have an appointment in 15 min otherwise I could chat with you forever
    about IU basketball.

    Thanks for the reply.

    In a message dated 8/2/2008 12:14:12 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
    writes:

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    Thanks for the note. Let's talk sometime. Rick


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  • DJW

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    Top 10 …but can't conclude on a 1 to 10 order:

    George McGinnis
    Don Schlundt
    T&D Vanarsdale
    Scott May
    Isiah Thomas
    Quin Buckner
    Steve Alford
    Calbert Chaney
    Walt Bellamy

  • DJW

    Loop:

    Did you actually get the chance to see Don Schlundt play?

    If so…that's outstanding

  • Outoftheloop

    Yes, I was 5 1/2, or so. I got my hair cut at a barber's shop called “Woodys” on 3rd Street near Jordan Ave. and met Charley Krack (sp?) a foreward on the team. My dad wouldn't waste a ticket on me because I was too young to “appreciate” it. I told Charley. Next thing I knew Dad was taking me to the games where I sat with “Mid Burger” who owned a small hamburger-milk shake place next to the Princess Theater on N. Walnut. Mid and her husband gave free food to lots of athletes in Bloomington for many years, including Charley Krack. Someone in the athletic department made sure that Mid had some extra seats around her for “guests”. Later on I remember getting a coupon for a free milk shake for each “over-the-fence” home run in little league from Mid, I received my first at 10.