The Minute After: Rutgers

  • 03/02/2018 12:14 am in

Thoughts on a 76-69 loss to Rutgers:

New coach, fresh system and it didn’t matter. Indiana remains a program that just can’t figure out the Big Ten tournament, it’s loss to Rutgers tonight one of its most confounding of the season.

The Scarlet Knights, as they’ve done all season, missed shot after shot to start the contest. It helped the Hoosiers amass a 16-point lead at 24-8 with 8:09 remaining in the first half. Indiana appeared on its way to another comfortable victory against Rutgers and a showdown with Purdue on Friday night. But things reversed in a serious way to end the first half as Rutgers threw down a 21-4 run to close it out and take the lead at 29-28 heading into the locker room. Indiana, meanwhile, had just one field goal over the last 8:33.

While Indiana tied the game up on two seperate occasions in the second half, Rutgers never relinquished the lead and held on for a seven-point victory, becoming the first No. 14 seed in the tournament’s history to advance to the quarterfinals. It was Indiana’s first-ever loss to Rutgers.

Unlike in Piscataway where the Hoosiers mostly shut him down, Corey Sanders came alive in this one and Indiana had trouble containing him. He was a catalyst during the Scarlet Knights’ first half run and he hit some daggers late to keep Indiana at distance and close out the contest. Sanders led all scorers with 28 points on 12-of-20 shooting.

Deshawn Freeman also caught fire for Rutgers as he went 7-of-12 for the field to score 15 points. Geo Baker had 15 as well, including three timely 3-pointers. The Scarlet Knights shot a blistering 68 percent from the floor in the second half and went on to score 1.12 possessions for the contest, well above their conference average of .87.

The Hoosiers, on the other hand, couldn’t buy a bucket. Rutgers had bodies in the paint which led to Indiana hoisting 24 3-pointers, a good lot of them not the best of looks. Indiana made only six of those 24 attempts (25 percent). Indiana shot just 35.8 percent from the floor over the entire contest, but were saved by a uncharacteristic 25-of-29 (86.2 percent) performance from the free throw line. Josh Newkirk finished just 1-of-7 from the field. Robert Johnson only 4-of-16. Juwan Morgan still posted a near double-double (15 points, nine rebounds), but Rutgers kept him out of the offense for stretches as Indiana had a hard time playing through him at times.

It’s looking unlikely the Hoosiers will make the NIT at this point and Archie Miller said after the contest they won’t be playing in any postseason tournaments below it, either.

So the season likely ends here on March 1 with a three-game losing streak and a 16-15 record. While this team showed some solid improvement under a new coach in his first season, especially on defense, it lacked elite talent, consistent guard play and had serious troubles at the line and from distance.

Tonight was a tough way to go out, but the seeds have been planted for a new era of Indiana basketball. With a little patience, they may just grow into something special.

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  • jayrig5

    Buckley has a reputation for developing shooters. I’m guessing that’s what this is in reference to.

  • Ole Man

    Plus, at least 3 Big teams are in front of us for invites: Mary, Neb, and PSU.

  • Ole Man

    LOL! Brilliant.

  • Ole Man

    That’s one theory of coaching. There are others that say develop a particular style, recruit players who fit it, and use it strictly.
    An excellent example is the Syracuse zone.
    There is also a culture to be developed. Archie giving in to the players gets that culture nowhere.
    Lastly, none of your facts are more than your opinion.
    As to blind love, I think that might be something you’re experiencing when looking in the mirror.

  • Ole Man

    Archie took a team with no one over 6’6″ to an Elite Eight running the same D he is installing at IU.
    I’m beginning to be suspect of your “basketball knowledge.”
    And a real FACT, IU began the year with a D in the 170s or slightly above, yet IU ended the year around 55.
    That is Coaching!

  • Ole Man

    Alex coaches his son’s team and then assists with another. That makes him a coach at two different levels.
    Probably more experienced than you!

  • Ole Man

    Archie did that all year long.
    Watch the games next time.

  • Neil

    The walk ons played? And that happened at Rutgers?

  • Neil

    Not brilliant

  • Neil

    Yes develop a style that’s ok but while you wait for your players to come (everyone knows you don’t recruit a team in one season renob) run a style that won’t lose by 20+ to IPFW. And it’s not giving in it’s called knowing your talent. You make zero sense. It’s like arguing with manure. That’s what your logic is. 1 +1 = 4 in your world. ITG

  • Neil

    You have great blind faith. And if you want to play the basketball knowledge game I’ll play. Answer this: if a team is playing a match up 1-3-1 zone what types of plays should you run to achieve success? Tell me how you defend a “back-stager double in a super pack line formation”?

  • dwdkc

    Top 100–De’Ron, but he got hurt, RJ, Justin. Curtis, but he transferred. Juwan was outside the top 100. Who else? No we didn’t have great talent, and we had no PG and no inside depth. We had to start a 6’6″ Juco transfer who had barely played hoops before college at center, and a walk-on. To finish in conference at 9-9, better than every national prediction, was not vastly underperforming. I saw good coaching, and am optimistic about our future.

  • Neil

    Good defense will stop good offense and it is a little naive to think every shot was lucky. There were wide open in your face dunks that saw. That’s not luck.

  • Neil

    No as a good coach you plan for this and have it in your tool box ready to go. It changes the flow of the game and momentum. If you know anything about basketball you will know a zone press is not a pressure defense. It just slows momentum and gives the other team more opportunities to turn it over from a bad pass while you defend without letting them get by you. Kind of like a standard 1-3-1. I teach my players to stop everything down the sideline in a zone press. Do you know the difference between a zone press and a diamond press?

  • Neil

    Yes northern Iowa had a better coach. It’s easy to win with tons of talent but much harder to win with less. Kind of like fighting a battle on horseback against tanks. This is common sense.

    And Archie Miller is a better coach than I. I think there are parts of coaching I may be better at than him like making adjustments and scheming but overall Miller is better than me. I am not a good recruiter and don’t have the charisma to inspire like Miller does. If I were better I’d be the coach at Indiana not Miller. All I’m saying is nobody should get a free pass if they are making basic mistakes.

  • Neil

    Very true but when you see it more than once and it becomes a theme it might be more likely. Think about Indiana State, IPFW, Wisconsin when they just had Happ, Rutgers, shall we keep going? Even Miller would probably agree with me he should not have lost those the way he did.

  • Koko

    I never said I coach nor did I say I was an expert….but I do like it when people answer my questions even when it takes a while. If anyone has been acting like an expert it is most certainly you. Congrats on your coaching jobs….sounds impressive.

  • Koko

    So if one is not a coach they are not smart?

  • Neil

    The way you talk on here it sounds like you know it all. you judge with a clear indication you know nothing. And before you say coaching an AAU U17 team is unimpressive you should understand it is not easy. About 80% of my kids get college scholarships. These kids work hard for it. It’s your job to get them to a D1 level.

  • Neil

    I coached junior college and now coach AAU U17 boys. I also coach grade school whatever grade my kids are in (always changing). I also contributed to Mack’s 96 page pack line guide. Where do you coach? And what makes you an expert? You are definitely an ITG.

  • Neil

    Where and what do you coach? Please do tell I’d like to hear it. You are so smart.

  • Neil

    No that is not my logic. If someone is not a coach but prances around here (in many different threads) like they know it all when they clearly have no clue what they are talking about, they are not smart. I don’t usually comment on articles like this for several reasons. 1. I have a real tough time wasting my time on ppl like you. 2. I have a life and don’t need to come on here and comment on EVERY article like you do. 3. I think ITGs hiding behind names like “Koko” are cowards!

  • Koko

    Wow that is really mean….do you feel better now?

  • Koko

    Koko is my dog…..do you like dogs?
    I don’t comment on every article. What makes you
    say that? I do comment about people who claim to know more than our coach. Who has the annual million dollar salary….you or Archie? If you are from Indiana I would guess you will not work with Archie on recruiting. How could you when you know more that him?

  • coachv

    i guess i don’t know anything. please explain the difference. what age do you coach?

  • coachv

    back-stager double? wtf?

  • coachv

    lol

  • coachv

    “defend without letting them get by you”. he forgot “don’t let the other team put the ball in the basket”

  • coachv

    you mean like not saying where you coach?

  • coachv

    corey sanders was the best player on the floor

  • coachv

    yes, your charisma needs some work

  • coachv

    i don’t buy it. too many players with poor technique. watford, hartman, johnson, newkirk and more. btw, have you ever seen crean shoot? it’s hysterical

  • Neil

    You are too brilliant for your time. I’m embarrassed for you. Man.

  • Neil

    Ha of course you have NO idea what that is. Proves my point.

  • Neil

    That’s just your opinion. Lol a rather weak one too.

  • Ole Man

    He’s a wannabe who is about to be blocked! I don’t have time for narcissistic individuals.

  • Ole Man

    You’re threatening another ITH member.
    Think you need to find another board.

  • jayrig5

    Crean’s form is funny, though you don’t really need to be able to do to teach. And while I was just relaying what he was referring to, I will point out that Watford’s 3-pt % progression was 32/38/44/48. Johnson and Hartman were worse this year than they were before. Oladipo always gave him a ton of credit for his improvement. Bielfeldt went from 27% to 45% when he transferred in.

    You’re certainly free to your opinion, but I tend to think there’s no one correct technique; different things work for different players, and if a coach has an ability to improve players with different forms and techniques, that’s much more impressive than someone who simply has one philosophy into which he tries to force every single player. Indiana had some of the best shooting teams year-in/year-out, and I don’t really think that’s a coincidence. I don’t know how much weight and value can be placed on one coach or even one coaching staff, but when enough players say the same thing, I tend to think it’s more than zero.

  • Koko

    Koko is a dog not a monkey. I know you were invalidating me by saying that, but I feel I should clarify it for you.
    It must be very important for you to promote yourself as a
    coach and comparing yourself to D1 coaches as you have with Archie. I’m surprised such an important person as yourself feels a need to evaluate and invalidate as much as you do. I can only figure out that it is very important for you to make others wrong and yourself right in order to survive. Good luck Neil, take care….over and out.

  • coachv

    i think watford had a hinged elbow, taking the ball too far above his head and unhinging at the elbow like a catapult. also really slowed down his release which i think is part of the reason he never made the nba. i think bielfeldt had great technique when he got here, like most beilein players. i believe max improved because his confidence shot up when handed i big role on our team. hartman leans back and left, follow through too high. johnson also leans back and left and drifts left and land 2-3 left of where he takes off. from the wings only. been doing that since high school. also jumped way forward from the top but curtailed some of that drifting the latter part of this season but not completely. newkirk, too flat and pushes his right shoulder thru. i’m not saying some players didn’t get better shooting because they did. and they sure as hell should playing everyday for years. just saying i saw too many flaws to give anyone a title of shot doctor. compact strokes with minimal movement is key. mcroberts comes closest on current roster.

  • coachv

    yep. you sound like an aau coach alright. assistant coach. just because you put a whistle around your neck doesn’t make you a coach. you are proving it

  • coachv

    are you perhaps trying to spell “stagger”?

  • coachv

    how do u block someone?

  • coachv

    calm down

  • Neil

    U17 and a zone press you guard a space with minimal pressure keeping everything in front of you. It is designed change momentum and give more opportunities for your opponent to turn it over with a bad pass. A diamond is just that a diamond formation that allows the ball in to the corners then you trap hard with two. The others fill the lanes and go for steals. This press is designed to get steals and easy scores. “Down by 1 and 6 seconds to go. Jordan gets the ball drives and shoots and they win the game”! You just got Jordaned!

  • Neil

    When you deal with people who think they know everything but know nothing this is what you get. It also the smart ass snarky remarks that start it all.

  • Neil

    Hey memo to the monkey named Koko. I never said I knew more than a Miller on everything. I pointed out his weaknesses and admitted he was Better at inspiring and recruiting than I am. Jr. College recruiting is way different compared to D1. At least I’m not some laim duck ITG hanging out on message boards criticizing people who are way more intelligent than you. I went back and looked and you comment on about 80% of these articles and you usually post more than once. This must be your life. How sad, is all I can say. I actually feel sorry for you.

  • Neil

    No I’m not. You all act tough but as soon as I offer to exchange phone numbers you all get scared because the vail of anonymity disappears. Keep being tough behind your screen.

  • Neil

    You wouldn’t know honestly. You can’t understand half of what I said and it’s very basic stuff. It’s clearly WAY over your head. Again I’m embarrassed for people like you.

  • Neil

    I’m perfectly calm. I have no idea why you would say something so far off…..oh wait, never mind.