The Minute After: Indiana State

  • 11/10/2017 9:49 pm in

Thoughts on a 90-69 loss to the Sycamores:


This was not what anyone was expecting.

The Sycamores came into Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall tonight and blew the doors off the Hoosiers, as the Archie Miller era got off to a rough, embarrassing start. Yes: Indiana State hit some tough shots. Heck, the Sycamores hit some impossible shots. But Indiana’s defense — a key area of focus heading into this game for Miller and his program in general — left plenty to be desired.

In the first half, Indiana let shooters loose on the perimeter and Indiana State really made them pay, shooting a blistering 10-of-15 for distance. The Hoosiers made it too easy for them to get into the paint as well. When the dust settled on the first half, the Sycamores entered the locker room with 1.47 points per possession.

Indiana State stayed hot from distance in the second half. By game’s end, the Sycamores set an opponent record for made 3s inside Assembly Hall with 17, shooting 65.4 percent from beyond the arc.

There were more stats that raised some eyebrows. A season ago, Indiana had the Big Ten’s worst defense. But they never allowed 54 points in a half all season, which the Sycamores tallied at halftime en route to a 21-point lead. While Indiana State made 17 3-pointers, Indiana only had 21 field goals to match. This was Indiana’s first home opener loss since 1984. And after posting turnover percentages in each exhibition better than any mark a season ago, tonight was downright terrible in that department. The Hoosiers turned it over on 26.5 percent of their possessions, which the Sycamores turned into more than a third of their points (34). Let an opponent hit 17 3-pointers against you and turn it over on more than a quarter of your possessions ? Not a recipe for success.

Early on, the pace and intensity of this game seemed a little faster, a little quicker, and Indiana failed to match Indiana State’s energy. The Hoosiers felt a little frantic and discombobulated on both sides of the ball. And once they got down big by halftime, there were really no signs of life in the second half. Indiana’s body language wasn’t great, the crowd didn’t have much to get into and it all amounted to a final 20 minutes in which Indiana never threatened to seriously get back into this one.

Juwan Morgan (5-of-10), De’Ron Davis (6-0f-7) and Curtis Jones (3-of-6) were the only Hoosiers to make three or more buckets. Indiana’s senior guard Robert Johnson and Josh Newkirk went a combined 4-of-15. Devonte Green shot the ball just twice in 25 minutes of action. He missed both.

It’s way too early to tell if this is a sign of things to come. But Indiana plays a ranked Seton Hall team on Wednesday. Duke looms two weeks after that. The weirdness of this year’s Big Ten season brings Michigan and Iowa to the docket in early December. Cupcakes, these squads are not.

For a team that looks like it’s going to struggle to find consistent scoring night in and night out, they must take care of the ball like they did in the exhibitions and figure out Miller’s principles on defense.

Or else?

Or else it’s going to be a long year.

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  • inLinE6

    This team needs a leader. That’s what I’m most disappointed with our upperclassmen, and we have a lot of upperclassmen.

  • Hoosier PD

    I will watch the game at 8 AM tomorrow morning on BTN. Thanks BTN for delaying the game.

  • Sghoosier

    I think BTN did you a favour tonight.

  • HoosierD

    Agreed. If you are a senior, how do you let this happen? If a guy on the other team is hot, we need someone to step up and say I’m going to shut him down. Our seniors seem to lack that toughness/competitive spirit

  • Lance76

    I bet Archie has the teams attention at practice on Saturday. That was hurtful, but in the long run may be the wake up call that is needed. We could have used Hartman tonight.

  • HooHeel

    Theory: Defense wasn’t working and they lost their confidence and fight in everything. Defense is new to them and it just got totally away from them – which is understandable since it’s early. But losing your fight over it can’t happen – you have control of that. Remember “The mental is to the physical as . . . ?” The size of this loss is attributable to mental and emotional failure.

  • Brad

    Clappy left the cupboards bare, but Archie will get the job done. We just have to be patient and watch his teams improve.

  • Hoosierkamp

    I’m done with Robert Johnson. Sick of expecting more of him and wanting him
    To be better. He’s not that good.

    But this one was very shocking. Will be fine in the long run. But man, not pretty early.

    On to next week

  • Arch Puddington

    Time for you to go bye bye. Alex booted the last troll who couldn’t stop the infantile name calling, and this is your third or fourth use of disparaging terms towards a coach who isn’t even here any more. Consider yourself flagged.

  • Hoosierkamp

    Yea. Rojo just is what he is. Time
    To stop expecting things to change. We have our sample size

  • Brad

    Getting kicked off for leaving a positive comment? You must be a snowflake. Do you need a therapy dog?

  • JimmyChittwood

    He’s referring to your passive aggressive comment about coach Crean and you know it..

  • Brad

    Crean isn’t a coach, he’s a broadcaster now.

  • JimmyChittwood

    You’re one of those guys…

  • IUDan

    Let it go – everyone else has moved on

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83


  • cbags05

    Maybe we aren’t good.

  • IUBizmark

    I was going to defend Rob, but man, he’s a really good support piece who can/could hit outside shots and seems like he could play tough D. Reality is that he’s pretty soft spoken and doesn’t seem to have that killer instinct. Too cool to play hard or something.

  • cbags05

    Yikes. ISU is a sleeper.

  • TomJameson

    Oh hi, it’s flaps-his-lip again. Think I’ll shorten it to flappy.

  • TomJameson

    Hey Flappy, there you go again. Insult after insult.

  • TomJameson

    come on Flappy, still going at it?

  • TomJameson

    I think Hartman would have made a difference, but not THAT much. Boys looked confused tonight, but I expect better results ongoing. This was their first REAL competition as a team. They probably didn’t need this, but maybe they did. Just hope they recover in the right way, and don’t stay down.

  • cbags05

    Ever since the turned ankle. Injuries change people.

  • TomJameson

    They just have to start hitting their shots. Really poor percentage, even for the layups! I know defense is important, but so is offense.

    Okay, I know they’ll come together, just hope it comes a little bit faster. We are going to have a very long preseason, and maybe a tough 1st third of the B1G season.

  • Philip Perdue

    Tom Crean recruited finesse players and it worked out beautifully when things were moving fast and shots were falling. Great offensive basketball.

    Miller doesn’t seem that interested in finesse. He’s looking for more junkyard dog brawl basketball. You can hear it in his post-game comments. He wants players who want stomp everyone they play. The only stomp mentality on the floor tonight was wearing blue.

  • sam

    If the team don’t have enough scoring this year, next year want be any better. Will be younger without a go to scorer. If they don’t get RL, it my be another long year. I know it’s early but tonite was ugly. Real ugly.. Go Hoosiers…

  • Shaggy_C

    Good thing I wasn’t excited for college basketball season to start or tonight might have been very disappointing…

  • Lelan P

    Does anyone know why Clifton Moore isn’t getting playing time? NBA draft had listed in the first round but we haven’t seen him really play much. Maybe he’s in the dog house or CAM is saving him for later. ???

  • We’reAllForYou82

    That was rough. So is that pic Ryan used. My “caption this” is “Did they really just make another 3.”

  • We’reAllForYou82

    I would say he is just not quite physically ready but then no one else (except maybe DD and AD) looked ready either.

  • TomJameson

    That’s a possible first round after his Sophomore year. If you put credence in draft picks that far out, well, don’t. 🙂

  • TomJameson

    The thing is, they really can shoot. Don’t know why all their shooting seems to be off at once, but that team has some good shooters. Heck, They’re even missing a lot of lay-ups. I think they will start focusing more, and things will start to look up. I’m taking the patient, long-term approach, but I do think it’ll get better this year.

  • Ms hoosier

    Totally agree. AD and DD were the toughest two on the court for the Hoosiers!! I would start AD over any of our guards at this point!! We have got to find a guard who can take a punch and still keep fighting!!!

  • Todd Jones

    From what little I saw they seemed like they were playing too fast on offense. Too many quick jump shots, too much leaving their feet without a clear place to pass to. We’re a guard-heavy lineup and our guards were simply dominated

  • Ole Man

    It was a lot more than Rob!

  • He’s very “freshman-y”. He’ll be good, but seemed not so solid on defense (in my opinion).

    That said, if the offense is going to be this bad, maybe they should try to work him into the lineup earlier?

  • I thought Freddie gave decent effort, too.

    But I was definitely disappointed in the guards (besides Al). In the press conference postgame, Archie said that the team was “soft”, almost in a sneering way. I think he meant the guards specifically. Even if he didn’t, I think it was a perfect description. They gave the game away with those stupid turnovers and no offense from the start. Not happy with the guards. If they keep that up, they won’t be playing much this year.

  • lol

  • Yep. I was most upset about the offense and complained most about that the entire game. The entire game is based on putting a ball through a hoop. Seems like it’s a new concept all of a sudden.

  • word

  • I don’t like trashing players, but must say that he was VERY disappointing last night. Hope he figures it out, and fast.

  • No, dog. You selling therapies?

    “snowflake,” so original.

  • You’re still finding ways to blame Crean? Must be exhausting.

  • Yeah, the loss of “fight” was the most aggravating part for me. They’re going to lose a lot of games…fine. And I’ll watch them all. But I absolutely cannot stand to watch a team without any fight. Clear the bench if you have to. I want to see a team play hard, win or lose. It’s going to be a transition year no matter what, but the absence of any fight is not acceptable. They gotta figure that out immediately. If they do, good things will follow.

  • HoosierD

    Yes we’re not, but even a bad IU team should not get blown out at home by ISU. It’s not like they are a vastly superior/talented team, there is a mental aspect to getting blown out by 20 on your home floor

  • Dunkin’ Depot

    Anyone know why CH didn’t dress?

  • Ms hoosier

    Your correct Ole Man!! All of our guards were pushed around last nite. You could see the intimidation in their eyes and they just never got into the fight!!!

  • Dunkin’ Depot

    Well, last years team started great and then fell apart…maybe the opposite will happen this year…who am I kidding

  • John Martinek

    Everyone take a deep breath. While the margin of defeat was surprising, the outcome wasn’t. When you “retool” a player/team, this is what you get. Guys are out there “thinking” instead of playing/reacting. This leads to mental errors on both ends and everyone appearing slow of foot.