POTB 195: Recruiting scandal rocks college basketball

  • 09/27/2017 4:50 pm in

Podcast on the Brink is back for a new episode with hosts Jerod Morris of The Assembly Call and Alex Bozich of Inside the Hall. The show is available weekly.

In this edition of the show, Morris and Bozich are joined by a pair of guests to discuss the bribery scandal that has rocked the college basketball world. From a Louisville perspective, Zach McCrite joins us to discuss this week’s news and from a broader NCAA perspective, Zach Osterman of The Indianapolis Star also joins the show to discuss the scandal.

Among the topics discussed:

· A recap of yesterday’s news and what’s happened over the last 24 hours
· The impact of this story at Louisville
· How it impacts this year’s team at Louisville (an Indiana opponent this season)
· Who Louisville could realistically get to coach the team this season
· Kenny Johnson’s involvement
· Whether Indiana fans should have any concern
· Where this story will end and what’s next
· The recruiting impact moving forward from this scandal

And much, much more. As always, feel free to drop the show a note at [email protected].

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  • Bankshot

    Your best response is supposition? Asking or needing someone’s help is not the way I roll. I am a self made man that would rather fail on my own merits than ask those liars and cheats for help!

  • VOXAC30

    Very possible

  • VOXAC30

    GREAT POINT!

  • Fifer39

    Please no. The pressers did for me – I’ll have to watch games with the volume down.

  • PDXHoosier

    Someone call Murray Sperber!

  • Arch Puddington

    I don’t think there is any indication that HE took any money, but even if he did, that’s not illegal. Players can’t take shoe company money, but coaches can.

  • The Lights Go Down

    Once the dust has settled months from now, Rutgers will win the NCAA tourney… Or one of the Ivy League schools. LOL

  • Bankshot

    You have no concept! I prefer Elvis’s rendition!

  • Bankshot

    How about RUSH “Working Man”

  • AndyCapp

    Or not. To me the lead singer of RUSH sounds like a cat in perpetual heat. It’s interesting at first, then you just want them to shut up.

  • AndyCapp

    They’re both good. Frank cuz he’s The Boss, Elvis cuz he’s The King.

  • Bankshot

    Maybe something more contemporary?
    S.O.B. Nathaniel Rateliff, just saw him at Red Rocks
    Off the ground The Record Company

  • AndyCapp

    Red Rocks is a venue on my bucket list to see a good show. Mumford played there couple of years ago and the taped show was rockin. You out west Bankshot?

  • Koko

    Your comment is making another wrong for liking or admiring Bobby Knight who you do not like. You can dislike Bobby Knight as much as you want and it is perfectly okay with me. Your opinion on how others should feel about him is not needed…..LOL

  • Koko

    Koko did well through the Category 2 hurricane that blew though our neighborhood. My home did not. Your well wishes are appreciated but they didn’t keep the 100 year old Oak tree from being picked up and slammed down onto my pool enclosure and roof…..extensive damage. Thank goodness I can still live in the house. It will take months and a lot of money to get things back to normal. So there are some of your snarky little comments you should keep to yourself.

  • AndyCapp

    That sux man. Glad you weren’t hurt.

  • Bankshot

    His name is Geddy Lee. Great base licks on “Working man”!
    Neil Peart Greatest drummer I have seen in concert!
    Alex Lifeson lead guitar.
    Rock and roll Hall of Fame!

  • AndyCapp

    I know, I know. There’s a few bands in the RRHoF that I just can’t appreciate. Nonetheless, I don’t knock those fans who DO appreciate them, just not my cup o’ tea

  • Outoftheloop

    Please point out some sources for me to check out on this issue. I am very familiar with 501 (c) groups and with universities and their finance structures. I know nothing about AAU basketball organizations and their finance. How, exactly, do colleges and universities “pay AAU coaches”?

  • AndyCapp

    That one hurt (Lyles). Would be awesome if that trail led to some impropriety that could sting UK but like you have yet to see that Cal is guilty of anything other than being head coach of our nemesis.

  • Outoftheloop

    Very little of the moral blame can be laid on the kid, or his family. However, the tax laws will place 100% of the blame on the person(s) receiving the cash or other tangible benefits and not reporting it!

  • AndyCapp

    Me too. Descriptions of him talking/acting like a petulant child seem fairly accurate. Wishing people who helped oust him at IU to die, etc. is just grossly petty, especially when the bulk of Hoosier fans would like him to reconcile with IUBB in some way. Just sad.

  • AJ_IU_ColtsFan

    You know, I never thought about that re: zone between the basketball industry and the spaces with the manpower. It’s obvious in retrospect – I mean, what are universities and technical colleges but institutions created to straddle that exact divide? And as far back as the middle ages, apprenticeships for crafts/trades in order to do the same thing? – but at the same time, I’ve never put any thought to it: When you create a wilderness for someone to traverse before achieving a goal, you create a need for guides to lead them through it. The problem is, the need doesn’t take into account morality, ethics, or exploitation.

    So, the question becomes one of incentivizing ethical behavior on the part of the guides. But that opens the door to what constitutes ethics in that space. Oy… this topic alone can encompass a lot. Much more than what I’m willing to spend in a sports site’s comments section. 🙁

  • Outoftheloop

    So were you offered money to go to a specific school? By whom? What school? What did you do? All very interesting!

  • AndyCapp

    Not to spread conspiracy theories but one of the podcast guest’s speculated that the NBA might benefit by any kind of vacuum created by NCAA’s lack of oversight. I think he suggested that this might support the notion that players be allowed to enter the G-League without any college…

    I think if the FBI casts a wider net they could easily find NBA execs who knew and probably even participated in this scheme that is shaking college athletics to the core. But besides that, does the timing of all this stink of some organization that wants to benefit from the chaos? It could just be Marty Blazer looking to cut a deal to save his own hide, of course, but usually when something like this happens there are other wheels set in motion first. To me everything about this just reeks to high heaven.

  • Courtney Shively

    They definitely haven’t made friends with the NCAA. Especially saying he didn’t care if his youngest son becomes ineligible.

  • Bankshot

    Cool Go HOOSIERS!!!

  • Bankshot

    Tom Crean did not cheat at IU. I respect that immensely!

  • crazy idea: go with a company headed by an IU alum that produces their product not only in the US, but in the state of Indiana. If that company doesn’t yet exist….then make it happen. Offer scholarships to students to make it happen. Tired of the same old same old, all the nay-sayers and conventional “thinking.” Dump these corrupt and dictatorial companies and build something better.

  • That’s exactly it. They serve as both the buffer and conduit. And add enough complexity to the situation to make it difficult to easily follow. It is rather unique, not as simple as basic bribery. It’s deep, complicated, and systemic. No simple solution and I honestly doubt that the real problems will be adequately fixed without a major housecleaning in the NCAA itself.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    That would take me all day to type. Just Google, is John Calipari paying AAU coaches,,,you will see many in depth articles about it.

  • IUMIKE1

    In my best British Parliament voice….here here.

    And even less incentive if one of those schools is one of the top “earners”. Independent is a word that should not be connected in any way to the ncaa. (I refuse to capitalize it)

  • IUMIKE1

    I’m nervously telling myself that the main reason he moved on from IU was because he wasn’t allowed to “play the game” while recruiting for us and so he looked around for a place that he could do that and let it be known that he was willing to be a participant in “the game”. Who knows, only time will tell. Hell maybe it was a combination of all the possibilities. As you say an awful lot of similarities when it comes to the Vonleh and Bowen comparisons…..nervous.

  • IUMIKE1

    LOL, I just finished typing a reply to bball at nick’s and it was about the whole Trey Lyles saga. CTC did everything but come right out and say that Lyles’ recruitment had become a battle that would be fought outside the rules and that it had become that as soon as a certain school came into the picture.

    I know many say not to put accusations out there if you cant, or won’t, back them up with names and facts, and I normally refrain from doing that. I’ll just say this, while I didn’t coach AAU bball on the elite level, I did know some that did. Everything that has been exposed is of no great shock to any of us and that it was a widespread belief that the way Lyles ended up “down there” was totally due to things done outside of the rules. In this scenario it was a common belief that it even went beyond the normal things done outside the rules.

  • IUMIKE1

    My views strongly resemble yours and were arrived at through a somewhat similar way.

  • IUMIKE1

    Will never forget watching him hold notes on his bass, play a keyboard and singing ALL at the same time. Ditto on Peart ! Don’t hear of too many bands, if any, where the drummer writes basically every lyric and sings none of them. Amazes me how much music can come out of just three people. The Rush documentary on Netflix is really good if you haven’t seen it.

  • IUMIKE1

    An upvote and a LOL

  • Bankshot

    No, I live in Indy. Lived in Boulder for five years in the 80’s. Saw Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Joe Walsh, Simple minds and Dire Straits at Red Rocks. I took my daughter who is a senior at I.U. to visit C.U. Rocky Mountain National Park and Red Rocks. If you like live music, Red Rocks is the best venue on the planet!

  • Bankshot

    Saw Rush in 77. The ticket was $7.50. They played the entire 2112 album. The musicianship from three performers was outstanding.

  • IUMIKE1

    Yep, seen the same tour. Don’t remember how much I paid for my ticket, but I’m positive it was a WHOLE lot less than what I paid the last time they were in town, and it wasn’t even the really good seats. lol

  • AndyCapp

    Very cool. I live in Billings, Montana now and try to get to Denver/Boulder/Ft. Collins/Winter Park a couple of times a year to listen to music and drink good craft beer. A Colorado band we follow closely is called The Samples and they played at Red Rocks this summer as a backup band to Rusted Root, Blues Travelers and Spin Doctors. Unfortunately not able to see the show which SUCKED because, well, it was at Red Rocks 🙁

  • Arch Puddington

    Here is something that will make us worriers feel at least a bit better:
    I read some articles written about Noah Vonleh’s commitment to Indiana, to see if it was as surprising when we got him as I remember. Bleacher Report wrote an article about it, and there was no hint of the unexpectedness of Brian Bowen’s commitment to Louisville. Vonleh is quoted as saying “From Day One, Indiana has been recruiting me the hardest.They were just letting me know how they could develop me into the player I want to be at the next level. Their academics are good, they’re the No. 1 team in the country and they’ve got another great class coming in next year”

    At least seen in that light, his commitment to IU seems much less questionable than we might fear. Plus, it was five years ago, which was well before the FBI investigation began. So even if there WAS some funny business, which I highly doubt, it might not even come into this particular investigation.

  • AndyCapp

    No reason not to upvote that!

  • IUMIKE1

    Good to know. It could be a case of us being to quick to forget things like what you found given our not too distant circumstances. Maybe we are just a little gun shy and too quick to assume that doom and gloom is just around the corner for us again when something like what is happening goes down.