Around the Hall: Reaction to IU’s NIT draw, road game

  • 03/13/2017 8:40 am in

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Mike Miller of The Herald-Times writes that Indiana simply wanted to keep playing, even in the NIT:

Indiana learned Sunday night that it received a No. 3 seed in the NIT and will open the consolation tournament with a 9 p.m. matchup against No. 6 Georgia Tech at McCamish Pavilion in Atlanta.

Typically, the higher-seeded team hosts games on campus in the NIT, but Indiana declined to bring a game to Assembly Hall this week with students — a large portion of the ticket holders — on spring break. An Indiana spokesman said the school would be able to host a game, if still alive in the tournament, as early as March 20.

Sam Beishuizen of writes that Indiana missed an opportunity by declining a home game:

Indiana Athletics does countless things right. They’ve gone out of their way to improve fan experiences on game days, been active and sometimes groundbreaking in the use of new technologies to bring viewers closer to the games and generally do a good job in helping the community around the school.

But they whiffed on this move.

The reality is that the crowds at an NIT game at the newly renovated Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall were not going to be standing room only. Already slightly embarrassed to be in the NIT to begin with, empty seats certainly wouldn’t have been the greatest of looks.

But is this worth it?

Gregg Doyel of The Indianapolis Star writes that Indiana is all over the NCAA tournament bracket – except for one team:

Butler is 2-0 against No. 1 seeds in this field, both wins against top overall seed Villanova out of the East Region. Know who else is 2-0 against No. 1 seeds in the 2017 bracket? Indiana. The Hoosiers took down No. 1s Kansas (Midwest) and North Carolina (South) earlier this season. Researchers are furiously looking for another example of a team knocking off two eventual No. 1 seeds without making that NCAA tournament itself. I’m going to save them some time and declare: It’s never happened. I could be wrong, but would it matter?

The Atlanta Journal Constitution has reaction from the Georgia Tech side, which is excitement for the opportunity:

Having been given a chance to keep playing, Tech can conclude the season with a more positive feeling than its first-round loss to Pittsburgh in last week’s ACC Tournament. The game will be broadcast on ESPN. Tech was given a No. 6 seed in an eight-team quadrant headed by Syracuse. Indiana is a No. 3 seed.

“We’ll need to play, obviously, really, really well, but it’s a great opportunity for our program,” Pastner said. “One, it’s postseason. Two, it’s Indiana. Three, it’s a home game. Four, it’s national television. It’s huge for our program.” examines the rules changes in place for the NIT:

A few experimental rule changes will be in place for the NIT, allowing the NCAA to collect more data as it considers the impact of its current game format with two 20-minute halves. These rules break down the accumulation of team fouls into 10-minute segments, providing a snapshot of what college basketball with four quarters might look like.

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  • calbert40 – AC000000

    You are highlighting data to prove your point instead of looking at the whole scope of Marshall’s performance at WSU. We aren’t talking about one season. We are talking about a six year pattern of dominance. The MVC was down this year, but it has traditionally been the toughest mid major in the nation. His record is impressive.

  • INUnivHoosier2

    The thing is, Assembly Hall was broke, so they had to fix it.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Tough conference?? How many times in last 10yrs has the MVC had over 2 bids… I haven’t looked but can’t be many…

  • dssnyder

    For some time now IU would love to have the basketball program that Wisconsin does what an upside down world !

  • Greg

    I wasn’t there, but I watched it. I played against Steve Collier, in junior high & some high school. Madison – Southwestern HS (Hanover,IN). Steve’s dad, was the coach at Hanover College. Knight recruited Steve and the weekend of the final four, Steve visited IU. A bunch of players from Madison & Hanover, also went. Needless to say, some of us would have run through a wall to play for Knight. Steve didn’t, he was Co-Mr. Basketball in 1974. Went on to play at Cincinnati. When I think back to the 70’s & 80’s, I get this sick feeling. Living on the border, of KY/IN and UofL. Tough sometimes. Down he in AL, you don’t hear much at all about basketball. Still tough to watch this program spiral. But not changing!

  • Fifty-fifty ball

    Where did you get the recording? I was also there that day. A thoroughly ticked off Senior at IU.

  • Gregory J. Haggard

    Well, it does keep GT from having any type of home court advantage.

  • Gregory J. Haggard

    Your point is exactly why I think Crean should have 1, just 1, more chance.

  • Jeff Crowder

    I don’t think Brey will ever leave ND. But, I agree that he has built that program into a winner. He owns a winning record against Duke for crying out loud. His team’s always play the right way. He won’t leave ND untill he retires or takes an NBA job.

  • Gregory J. Haggard

    What, there is someone here in their right mind???

  • pcantidote

    OMG. Look at that picture. CTC has pulled the cheerleaders in on the sign strategy 😉

  • Gregory J. Haggard

    Yeah, that’s where I’m at too.
    I cannot bring myself to not watch, though it may not be a healthy for me.
    I am extremely conflicted.

  • Arch Puddington

    Among the many things wrong with your argument is that you are essentially saying that no coach can be considered for a top tier program until he has won at a top tier program. Bob Knight and Coach K were at Army before going to the big school. John Calipari was at UMass and Memphis before Kentucky. Rick Pitino was at Providence before he went to Kentucky. Etc.

    You also miss the fact that Marshall’s teams grade out well even after the competition has been accounted for.He made a Final Four a couple of years ago, then spend much of the season ranked #1 before falling to the preposterously underseeded Kentucky team that ultimately made it to the final game. And here are his team’s defensive rankings for the last 5 years, adjusted by Ken Pomeroy to reflect strength of schedule:

    22, 1, 15, 11, 20

    In as much as 75% of the teams that make the Final Four have defenses ranked in Kenpom’s top 30 — most of them in the top 20 — this is a meaningful indication of national competitiveness. I’d take him in a heart beat.

  • calbert40 – AC000000

    Yes. Tough conference. The MVC has taken a step back since Creighton left the league, but still is always between 8th and 12th in conference RPI. It is always right next to the Mountain West, AAC, etc. It is a very strong mid-major conference.

    To answer your question, it hasn’t had more than two bids since 2006, but that is not indicative that it is a bad conference. It is indicative that it is a mid-major as opposed to a major conference. They are far more often than not a multi-bid conference (this year notwithstanding).

    Even still, WSU is the resident bully of that conference. Marshall has built an excellent program there.

  • Missing Moye

    By “extension” I hope you mean a lack of change, or a continuation of his existing contract. Because if they offer him a contract extension, there might be rioting. Heck, I might be leading them.

  • Ohio Hoosier

    That was also the game where Vic inbounded off the defenders
    backside and dunked it. How cool was that?

  • Badonk Adonk

    I’m as frustrated as any fan. I don’t put this year on Crean. I think CTC is an average x and o’s type guy, we just currenty have a team full of low hoops IQ players. I highly doubt they practiced committing turnovers and missing very BASIC defensive switch assignments OFTEN. OG injury and TB obviously only worked on his outside shot in off season (perhaps coaching?) I also fall into the camp of thinking that this program doesn’t sit in the elite category anymore. 30 years since the last NCAA tourney win, never won the Big 10 tourney in 17 years? What do we have to offer an “elite” coach, if you don’t win right away we will run you out of town even though we haven’t performed to an elite level in the last 30 years? I can go either way, if he leaves, fine if he stays fine. With CTC we know we have a guy who can win the Big Ten, 2 out of 4 isn’t awful in this league. I would just caution we be careful what we ask for, we fired Mallory for winning more than losing and haven’t come close to recovering from that and I think any Coach we would be able to hire would probably be an immediate disappointment to most fans. Alford, Donovan and Stevens are pipe dreams. I know some are high on Marshall, but, his resume looks just about like CTC. The conference he plays in right now isn’t good. I certainly think we should expect better than the results this year, much better…I look at Groce and Illinois and wonder how long it will take them to recover from that, 9 years front to back? After the whole Sampson debacle, I just wonder what a Coaching change might bring? Go Hoosiers! (P.S. I do think the whole not playing NIT at home thing bodes well for those who are demanding a change)

  • Apoc

    I would even be willing to make a call/go in on Collins. A hot up and comer…a possible guy that could make waves and stay for awhile.

  • sams212

    Who cares about the tickets. You’re talking about a game that is win or your season is over. Win or some of these players are never putting on an Indiana jersey ever again. This team is 14-4 at home and 4-11 on the road. Why not give them the familiarity of Assembly Hall and give them the best chance of winning? If the university is ok with giving up the revenue from this game then host it and give the tickets out for free. This was one of the stupidest decisions Glass has made at IU as far as I’m concerned.

    If they are worried about the hostility and aren’t planning on firing Crean, what do they think will happen next year? People aren’t going to magically forget about this season. Ticket sales will be down, donations will be down and the only two things that can fix it are a new coach or winning. At this point I don’t care if they fire Crean or not. I’m more upset by how they are handling everything. They are playing the fans for a fool.

  • calbert40 – AC000000

    Collins is very good, but I’d put him behind a few other guys, like Marshall and Miller. Plus, while IU is a much more prestigious program, you don’t see coaches move within the same conference very often for whatever reason. But agreed that he’d be a good coach here…or anywhere.

  • So IN Hoosier

    I will not give another dime to the university until they clear up some of this nonsense. The fanbase is speaking and it’s falling in deaf ears. As a longtime Crean supporter it became obvious this year the school needs to head in another direction. I can no longer defend Crean. Love him as a man, basketball coach is another story.

    How does Fred Glass keep his job? This scheduling is one of the worst decisions I have seen on any level. To him, it was all about optics. I teach my kids to take your medicine. You put yourself in a situation, you’ve got to man up and dig your way out. Or at the very least show up and take your medicine. This spring break argument is absolute nonsense. If he was so worried about boo birds and the building being empty, give tickets to families who can’t pay $75, a person, for an average seat during the season.

    I’m so disappointed in my alma mater. My family lives to watch every game. At this point, unless things change, I’m not sure I can continue to support the program.

  • TomJameson

    This picture is a hoot!

    Coach pointing as if to say “go, go, go”
    Another coach holding his hands up as if to say “stop, stop, stop”
    Another coach looking up as if to say “Father help us”

    Hahahahaha … THAT has been the IU BB season.

  • Gdaddy

    2 of the last 4*

  • Michael Rizzo

    Never understood that hire of Allen I mean Charlie Strong was on the board and available for a song……he ends up at USF.
    We interviewed no one. Reminds me of the Mike Davis hire.
    Wanna bet in a few years we part ways with Allen and he admits he wasn’t ready either.


    You took the words right off my keyboard.

  • Hoosier Hall

    When you consider what’s happened in between those titles, yes. It isn’t worth it to have this inconsistency. Should be in the top 4 or 5 of the Big 10 every year guaranteed with a legit shot to win the conference every few years. Also, it should be the expectation that we NEVER miss the NCAA tourney. Kansas has not only been in the tourney every year for forever but they’ve been a 1 or a 2 seed for the last 8 years or so. Obviously they’re on another level but shouldn’t that be the goal? Why settle?

  • calbert40 – AC000000

    I fail to see how that article contradicts my position (or yours for that matter). I love Kap…as a Cubs announcer, and I believe he’s a former coach at some level, but I think that he significantly overvalues the Illini job. Trying to be as objective as I can be, I don’t think Illinois is a top half of the B1G program right now.

    Illinois is not above IU, MSU, Wisky, UM or OSU in level of gravitas. It would be right on par with PU and Iowa, and I’d argue that while it *could be* a better program, it isn’t right now.

    No way half of that list even considers Illannoy unless they just throw buckets of money at him.

  • Lobills

    The facilities upgrades are due to massive B1G tv revenue and a wealthy alum. Glass just happens to benefit from it. Right place right time. The extensions to Wilson/Crean were laughable. Then firing Wilson…another mistake. Losing Tracy to ASU and lastly the ongoing mediocrity of men’s hoops. We’re 40-38 in B1G games over the last 4 years. To say nothing of this latest pathetic display. Color me unimpressed with Glass.

  • David Schwind

    I think instead of going to the NIT (Not in Tournament), we were more suited for the CBI (Can’t Ball Invitational). As a road team, of course.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Ha!..I was done with my point just wanted you to read it… that’s it. It had no real bearing to the conversation.

  • calbert40 – AC000000


    I was so confused! 🙂

  • calbert40 – AC000000

    Related – maybe I’m in the minority on this, but if we have a vacancy this year (or in the near future), I am not the least bit interested in Tony Bennett. I hate the style of ball he plays, and he spurned us once already.

  • I have to agree with you here. There are a number of possible reasons why the game isn’t being played in Bloomington, and there’s no justification for just selecting the worst one without any kind of evidence.

  • I think every coach will adjust to the new rules, and so we can’t assume that only IU would benefit from them. I think it would have ended up being the same in terms of free throw discrepancy, only perhaps with different numbers.

  • When I look at a broken clock and notice it’s telling the correct time, I don’t argue with it just out of spite.


  • Doh!

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Hard to recruit with slow down basketball…going from 80 point a game to 40 is hard to watch.

  • ArghSonOfOhCrap

    Just wow?

  • MikeinNC

    Nice home crowd Georgia Tech had tonigh….really kept them fired up. Nice having that home court advantage.

  • David James Downey

    Hope not. Although renewing the series has been closer than you think. I loved the game at the Hoosier Dome. Great memories there. Half the arena red; the other half blue. we are on different sides of course. But I say this with respect, recounting how exciting the watford shot was to so many is neat to hear. Especially those stories involving the kids. Basketball unites friends, families and communities. Big shots and big wins are the moments we recount and pass onto those we love. Here is to making many more games in the years to come.

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