At the Buzzer: UNLV 72, Indiana 69

  • 11/25/2015 7:29 pm in

A few quick thoughts on Indiana’s 72-69 loss to UNLV in the Maui Jim Maui Invitational:

How it happened: Indiana arrived in Maui with a top 15 national ranking and hopes of a trip to the event’s championship game later tonight. The Hoosiers will depart with a 1-2 record and both losses came to teams that are unlikely to make the NCAA tournament. Put today’s loss, one in which Indiana never led, on 21 turnovers and poor decision making all around, including on the bench. The Hoosiers fell behind early, drew even in the second half, but could never get over the hump.

Standout performer: Nick Zeisloft finished with 17 points on 5-of-7 shooting from 3-point range. It was his shooting that kept the Hoosiers close in this one.

Number (s) that needs work: Where to begin? Start with the turnovers. Indiana had 21 of those for a turnover percentage of 28.7. The Runnin’ Rebels scored 22 points off of those turnovers. It’s been a problem in each of Indiana’s six games thus far, although to varying degrees. The Hoosiers also allowed 34 points in the paint and hit just 10 of 19 free throws. In all, it was a nightmare afternoon to cap off a nightmare trip.

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  • Smilinjayd

    Ding Ding Ding, we have a Winner!

  • Dr Dave

    I’m trying to keep some perspective, but I cannot help it — I keep having visions of Duke coaches and players laughing uncontrollably trying to prepare for next week.

    I really do feel for the team — they have put in way too much hard work to have to be part of this kind of train wreck.

    Or maybe we’ve come up with some Sun Tzu technique for lulling our opponents into an overwhelming sense of false security….

  • Zach

    Duke’s not the same as last year, but they have a coach that knows exactly how to take them to that level again by season’s end.

  • inLinE6

    For all the fairness, he won some marquee games with less talent. But that won’t explain why we consistently lose games in ugly way.

  • Smilinjayd

    Ditto. I said this in another post above.

  • Smilinjayd

    Football? Soccer… Eh, maybe. But you must look at Glass’s hires, not just the program.

  • Dr Dave

    Depends which direction — could have been me from San Diego.

  • inLinE6

    That’s after he won B1G outright. I didn’t think that was irrational.

  • PBzeer

    I don’t doubt Tom Crean as a person. I don’t doubt his desire or dedication. I don’t doubt that he did a great job of bring back some respect to the program. At this point, I do doubt that he will become a better coach. And frankly, he isn’t worth his top ten salary.

    At some point, the focus has to be on developing a good college basketball team, instead of NBA player development..

  • HoosierDawg

    How about ” we would have to improve to suck”???

  • Show-Me-State HOOSIER

    Very well said!

  • Nicholas Allen Cotner

    The ending began when he had the number 1 team in the country and they ran into a zone defense that looked clueless on how to attack it. That’s on coaching

  • HoosierDawg

    Dukies looking ahead to IU…

  • HoosierDawg

    Three Floyds YumYum for me. Yum!

  • Tdavis

    Thank goodness for Zeisloft. At least he plays hard, even if not the most gifted player. How does a 6-10 big man get only 6 shots? Basketball is not that hard. Inside out offense. Not dribble around for 25 seconds and heave. How many offensive rebounds did UNLV get? I can understand the long rebounds. I saw few box outs. I put lots of it on the players. Very lackadaisical effort. Yes 13th ranked to below 30 come Monday. And here comes Duke on their home court. Not looking pretty in Hoosierland.

  • mark

    Players DO get better under him, that is NOT the problem (Victor, Sheehey, Hulls, Hartman …). Player development is his strong suit. The problem is his bad game coaching and the pathetic defensive fundamentals that have appeared and reappeared year after year. And the past couple years, the turnovers.

  • Jacob Kingery

    The product Crean puts on the floor is so frustrating to watch. Coaching/Fundamentals is possibly worse than the Mike Davis era. Creans never played high level b ball himself and he sure as hell cant coach it.

    I could not believe Yogi, smallest guy on the court, was inbounding on that late possession with 3 sec left. I was screaming at the tv.

  • Smilinjayd

    Remind me who it was that made him a Top 10 earner? And did so after what accomplishments?

  • Jacob K

    The product Crean puts on the floor is so frustrating to watch. Coaching/Fundamentals is possibly worse than the M Davis era. Creans never played high level b ball himself and he sure as hell cant coach it.

    I could not believe Yogi, smallest guy on the court, was inbounding on that late possession with 3 sec left. I was screaming at the tv.

  • BMusic

    Oh, the humanity.

    Look, don’t waste your breath with the “Who can we get to coach?” talk. That’s not happening this weekend. Let’s focus on something a bit closer to “presently relevant.”

    The Hoosiers have had a mighty humbling trip to Hawaii, and we are feeling it with them. Some of you saw it coming; to my credit, I didn’t disagree 🙂

    Maybe Crean should go back to cursing out his players. Maybe the doghouse that JBJ and TW found themselves in at the start of yesterday’s game should be expanded. Who here wouldn’t sit back with a certain sense of satisfaction if our starters in the next game were the 5 guys from the bottom of the bench. At least then we’d feel like somebody was doing something.

    For my part, I’m not chanting “N-I-T!” just yet. But someone needs to put these guys in a position to win, and then they have to go out and do it. Like, your McDonald’s AA who’s aiming for the NBA had better be able to hit a crucial, open layup at the end of the game. You better be able to get off a potential tying three in the last minute, given two chances. Guys have to hit free throws. It’s a simple game, folks.

    And, oh yeah: I’d put Troy behind Juwan Morgan in the rotation until further notice.

  • BMusic

    What? Who’s “us”?

  • PalmettoHoosier

    I meant to criticize CTC. Looks like his only concern is getting someone into the NBA so he can recruit.

  • Jacob K

    If only Zeisloft woulda used the pump fake…feel like that should be preached to every player if time permits. 3 seconds was plenty. Feel like none of our players use it in general.

  • BMusic

    Agree. If this were happening in January, I’d feel much worse. It’s early enough to break this thing all the way down and build it back up. Let’s hope for that. Because I think it’s also early enough that the team and staff have the energy for just such a project.

  • BMusic

    Yeah, but if you take away Ferrell’s, Williams’s and Blackmon’s turnovers, we only had 9!

  • bojak

    I hate to say this but I think the only way that Crean will be let go, is the fans at the games will have to boooooo him every game. Winning against a nobody or losing against a half way descent team, they got to boo him relentlessly. Maybe just then Glass will get the point.

  • Tdavis

    Can’t disagree.

  • You’d need a really good coach to fix everything that’s wrong. Such a good coach, in fact, that the team wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with if he were already in place.

  • Bruce Clark

    I first want to thank the members of this team: I have no doubt they have worked very hard to get ready for the season. It is difficult enough being in a top-tier college – add in the time and energy demand for athletics and the sacrifices these young men are making is something most of us could never do.

    With that said, it is very disheartening to be in this state as a team. I don’t blame the players as much as I do the coaching staff. The head coach just is not an ‘X and O’s’ coach – and that is a fatal flaw at this level. We have a large enough data set to know defense is a major weakness of most every Tom Crean team – and for the life of me, I struggle to understand how TC wouldn’t have brought in a coaching staff member that can help bring balance to this team.

    I hope the team gets their confidence back, and can find their defensive footing, because without both, it is going to be a very mediocre season.

  • Smilinjayd

    Totally disagree about development. Yes for Victor, iffy for Jordan but did you watch Sheehey’s Sr. year? I loved that guy, but no way. Hartman? That’s the best examples over his long list of players? Defense is an area that falls under my assessment. Turnovers certainly proves my point. TW any better?

  • Fifty-fifty ball

    Duke may blow us out but it’s not because they are really good. I’ve watched them a few times already and not impressed. Their really not a typically good Duke team yet IMO. If that game at Cameron Indoor doesn’t get every hoosier player focused and hungry then no game except maybe playing at Rupp will. Either way it’s time for a leadership change at the top. Brad Stevens, name your price!

  • Kevin Blackistone

    please no to Howland.

  • Kevin Blackistone

    it is defense… Zeislot is Todd Leary, great shooter, can’t guard anybody..

  • Oh my god, I can’t believe you wrote that. Not because you’re wrong, it’s just that last year the story was that our guards were pulled in to the paint due to the lack of a post presence, hence our lack of perimeter defense. So in essence it’s just that we play terrible team defense, period.

  • Show-Me-State HOOSIER

    All I can say is…..we live and bleed IUBB. We love the game and we support our. team. I KNOW….it’s frustrating and BIG changes need to be made, but we are HOOSIERS….and we will be back.

  • Show-Me-State HOOSIER

    I can’t agree more! HOOSIER NATION is bigger than any one game, player, coach or team. We need to make big changes in Bloomington. I want to see at least one more dang banner befor I die!

  • Missing Moye

    I’m thinking maybe we could play man and zone within the same possession, possibly switching when the shot clock gets down to about 10. I bet that would work!

  • hoosier

    where do you start. well maybe if the players knew exactly what there roles and responsibilites were and them hold them to it. on both ends of the court. that would be a start. also being benched for 5 or so minutes in my opinion is not much of a punishment.

  • BMusic

    Oh, we’re around. Just letting y’all get it outta your system.

    It would be foolish to try defend any aspect of the program at this moment, but as fans we have two possible paths: we can decide the season’s over after 6 games (lol) and throw in the towel, or we can keep showing up and hoping that they get it turned around. In spite of the way it looks, the latter is what a true fan would do.

    What would you want the players to do? Maybe we should lead these kids by example and try to stay positive.

  • hoosier

    i always knew this but as the years go by its very very clear the game did not pass coach Knight by, His style simply did not cater to entitled players or to this phony can,t really speak the truth society we live in.

  • gnrnabk1

    Could you leave politics out of this. Just because he trying to keep Hoosiers safe. Move to another liberal state then.

  • gnrnabk1

    Please tell me WHEN

  • gnrnabk1

    Welcome to Fantasy Island my friend

  • eville87

    Out the woodwork they come. Well keep being positive and happy with accepting mediocrity. We have the talent to beat Duke and the coaching to lose to Nebraska. So what do we get just that. Maybe just maybe we will lose 10 out of 15 at the beginning of the season instead of the end. So for once we could actuality string together some wins going into March. Do you really think being a bubble team and losing in the first round after having high expectations is acceptable?

  • straight no chaser

    He’s making no one safe. He is just feeding people’s paranoia. If you don’t see the direct relationship between this type of leadership and the woes of IU Basketball, then you are blind. Who decides what counts as “politics” and what doesn’t? This type of depoliticization of people is what empowers incompetent leaders to lead programs astray through delusion and mismanagement. As an IU basketball fan, I feel that state leadership has everything to do with sports and all areas of life. So don’t try to muzzle me please and to dictate what YOU think is important to the conversation. And who are you to tell me to move out of this state? You don’t own the state, and a governor is an elected official, not a dictator or a king.

  • BMusic

    Oh, I’m not accepting anything. And I’m fine with making coaching staff decisions after the season; just not in the middle of it. Trust me: I’ve had my moments of “fire the coach” this week.

    But I have to believe they can turn it around. Otherwise, why watch?

  • hoosier

    watched some of Vanderbilt and Kansas we are not on there level right now. something that stands out r ight away is both teams have a lot more structure and less free lance basketball both teams

  • eville87

    I watch every game since 1986. You watch hoping that they select a random fan out of the stands to coach the team that game. I wonder what the results would be? It would at least be a bit more unpredictable. Like oh my god what if they actually played defense? Or had an out of bounds play that worked? Or when they couldn’t fast break what if they had a half court set that didn’t use a 3 man weave? Or how about the lost art of a post entry pass? We struggled with getting Cody, Noah and now Thomas the ball down low. Most of these things are taught early on in middle school in our state.

  • BMusic

    I feel you, brotha.

  • SeeingRed

    Tell me you aren’t honestly comparing Pearl and Cal? The only thing those two guys share is smarm. One can obviously really coach. The other hasn’t proven jack, unless you consider cheating and then lying to the NCAA an acomplishment.