A look at combine measurements, NBA draft stock across the Big Ten

  • 05/16/2014 10:33 am in

Thursday marked an important day in the NBA draft process as nearly all of the top prospects gathered in Chicago for the combine. While most of the elite prospects declined to participate in drills, every prospect got official measurements and also met with the media and teams in attendance.

Here’s a look at the combine measurements for each Big Ten player at the NBA draft combine:


The Big Ten is currently projected to have four first round picks (Vonleh, Harris, Stauskas, Payne) with guys like Robinson, Ross and Mitch McGary, who is not in Chicago, possessing the potential to land late in the first round.

Here’s a look at where each Big Ten player stands on Chad Ford’s most recent top 100 rankings:

· Vonleh: No. 7 (top 10 pick)
· Harris: No. 10 (top 10 pick)
· Stauskas: No. 12 (lottery pick)
· Payne: No. 17 (mid-first round pick)
· Robinson: No. 31 (late first round pick)
· Ross: No. 35 (late first round pick)
· McGary: No. 40 (second round pick/undrafted)
· Craft: No. 55 (second round pick/undrafted)
· Marble: No. 64 (second round pick/undrafted)
· Keith Appling: No. 74 (second round pick/undrafted)

Combine notes

· According to Ford, Payne comes out of Thursday as a winner because of how well he measured. The Michigan State big man was tied for the third-best standing reach and the third-best wingspan, which, when coupled with his ability to stretch the floor with his perimeter shooting, should vault him up draft boards.

· Vonleh also measured well with the second-best wing span, the sixth-best standing reach and the best hand length and width. The Big Ten freshman of the year won the measurement battle with his primary competition in the lottery: Kentucky’s Julius Randle and Arizona’s Aaron Gordon. According to Ford:

When choosing between an above-average power forward and two undersized ones, size tends to edge the others out.

Which, if true, could potentially put Vonleh into play as a top five pick.

· Harris seemed a bit concerned about his height measurement during his media breakout session. “It was funny. My agent and I were talking about it a little bit. I was measuring at about 6-foot-4 and a half with shoes on. I don’t think I had two inch soles on my shoes. I don’t know what’s going on with that. At least I’m not playing barefoot, I guess.”

The 6-foot-2 and a half measurement certainly caught the eye of Draft Express, which wrote:

Harris’ measurements have ranged anywhere from 6-4 to 6-6 with shoes over the years, so the combine measurement certainly comes as a disappointment for NBA teams and the Spartans shooting guard.

Whether it has any true impact on Harris’ stock moving forward remains to be seen, but it will certainly be something to watch over the next month.

· One of the major questions Robinson was looking to answer going into Thursday was his shooting, which it appears took a major step forward per UMHoops:

One of the biggest questions facing Glenn Robinson III is how well he can shoot it at the next level. Robinson took a big step toward answering those questions when he shot 31-of-50 during the spot-up shooting portion of the NBA Draft Combine. Robinson’s 31 made spot-up jumpers were best among small forward prospects. He was also 16-of-18 on off-the-dribble jumpers and was 25-of-39 when shooting on the move from 15-feet.

· Teams may be looking at Stauskas as a guard with the ability to play either position, which Ford wrote about after watching him in a workout last Tuesday:

While he wasn’t a primary ballhandler at Michigan, he showed the ability to initiate the offense this past season. Based on what I saw in drills, I think he’s got a chance to get into the conversation with Marcus Smart and Tyler Ennis. He isn’t a pure point guard, but neither is Smart. And his ability to shoot off the bounce means he’s going to have the ball in his hands a lot, regardless of what position he plays. We have Stauskas ranked No. 12 on our Big Board, and if teams are convinced that Stauskas can play some point, he could end up passing Ennis on draft night.

· Craft, who will get a shot at the NBA either via a late second round selection or a free agent contract, shot the ball well on Thursday. Per Eleven Warriors, he hit “55 of 102 (53.9 percent) shot attempts from NBA three-point range, college three-point range, 15 feet and the free throw line.”

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  • Gregory Spera

    Gary Harris? 6′-2.5″? So I guess you can basically just, across the board, take two inches off any listed college height. Makes me wonder if Yogi is really 5′-3″.

  • kyle jenkins

    Aaron craft is going to have a tough time in the NBA. Gary Harris stock is going to drop dramatically based on his measurements unless he converts to a point guard. Noah’s hands are huge!

  • inLinE6

    You meant 6’3”? 5’3” is shorter than me and he has to finish his career in junior high.

  • Kyl470

    I always knew teams lied about how tall their players were in the media guides. I know IU lists Yogi at 6’0″, but I’m pretty positive he is 5’10” at best. They also use to list Victor as 6’5″ or 6’6″ and I’m pretty sure he measured at 6’3″ and some change last year.

  • ForeverIU

    Lol, Yogi is listed as 6-0 so he is really 5-10. Darn, I knew I could have had a college bb career.

  • Spea

    Noah has unusually wide hands. That will certainly increase his draft stock.

  • indianaourindiana

    Can Craft even palm a ball?

  • Hardwood83

    By all accounts you are right- but doesn’t it seem silly that a guy’s draft stock rises because of an extra 3/4″ on his hands?
    I understand measureables are, well, measureable. Isn’t how well they actually play more important? Apparently I’m not qualified to assess NBA talent.

  • PocketHoosier

    Craft’s shot is absolutely laughable, so unless that really gets corrected, he’s going to have a very difficult time making a career out of basketball.

    But I can think of one team that Aaron Craft’s on the ball defense, handling skills, and ability to distribute should get him a shot with: the Pacers.

    Especially with the team scrambling to come up with a plan to keep Stephenson without incurring the luxury tax, I think dumping George Hill (and his $8 million salary) in exchange for Aaron Craft at an undrafted rookie wage (I don’t think anyone will draft him) would be a solid roster decision…but I’m not (wait) *looks in the mirror to confirm* yeah. I’m not Larry Bird.

    *rats* 🙁

  • PocketHoosier

    Yeah; he did it every time he brought the ball up court for 4 straight years at OSU.

  • Crimson&CremeFraiche

    Payne is like the only guy on here who is actually the size that I thought he was. No wonder Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid didn’t go to the combine. Wiggins is probably 5’11”, Parker’s probably 6’2” and Embiid is only 6’6”.

  • Crimson&CremeFraiche

    Well he plays pretty well and has monstrous hands. Just another way top separate the talent.

  • Crimson&CremeFraiche

    Could you imagine if you got smacked by Vonleh with a full swing? He would annihilate a regular-sized human’s face.

  • marcusgresham

    If anything this should make Harris’ stock go up because imagine how much better he’ll be able to move if he isn’t trying to play the 2 in Paul Stanley’s boots.

  • marcusgresham

    When we went through the autograph line at Hoosier Hysteria I thought Noah had the most enormous hands I’d ever seen. Turns out I was correct.

  • marcusgresham

    You know what they say about a guy with big hands?

  • marcusgresham

    The size of Craft’s hands shouldn’t matter–they’re obviously strong enough to clutch and grab.

  • PocketHoosier

    big gloves

  • marcusgresham

    No offense, but if you look in the mirror and become disappointed because you aren’t Larry Bird you must be one fugly dude!

  • marcusgresham

    Wiggins is probably only 1.5. Remember, he’s Canadian.

  • PocketHoosier

    nah, I’m not.
    But still, Larry Legend must enjoy being himself.

    Though Magic Johnson definitely aged better.

  • marcusgresham

    Pretty sure he could palm a Volkswagen Beetle.

  • Hoosier Hall

    I read that his were the 2nd largest hands ever measured at the combine. Who was 1st?

  • Hoosier Pride

    hard to believe Payne is 6.5 inches taller than Harris in the featured picture

  • PocketHoosier

    That’s because Harris was wearing high heels

  • CreanFaithful

    He measured 6’3.25″ without shoes and IU listed him at 6’5″. Basically, we list guys at their height with shoes on and round up. Harris loosing over 2 inches is very interesting though…

  • AJ_IU_ColtsFan

    Zomg, Noah’s hand width is how large?? 0_0

    Good Lord… he could almost palm a ruler lengthwise without bending it. Them’s some big mitts.

  • AJ_IU_ColtsFan

    It’d be like a full-size frying pan coming at ya. It wouldn’t just “leave a mark”, it’d bruise your face from hairline to chin tip. :-S

  • Outoftheloop

    Marble, 1.5, Robinson 1.28, and Stauskas 1.25 inches, have great shoes! That is why you measure them barefoot. Payne at #17 and Marble at #64 look like draft steals, very undervalued!

  • Outoftheloop

    Made me laugh out loud!

  • Outoftheloop

    Victor is officially 6’4 per the NBA.

  • Outoftheloop

    A guy named Godzilla from Gonzaga!

  • I saw a mock draft this morning that had Vonleh going to Detroit. Gosh, I hope that doesn’t happen.. I rally do not like Detroit and would have trouble rooting for them, even if Noah was on the team. Maybe I could hold my nose and cheer with my eyes closed…lol…

  • Alford Bailey

    Harris projected 10th. Man, I’m not seeing it. Especially after these measurements. I think Stauskas will be the better pro and maybe even Robinson.

  • marcusgresham

    I kid you not, I was about to type “Godzilla” and then I saw your response.

  • sean

    But…don’t they play with shoes on? Unless a guy is wearing special combine-only high tops, the measure I’d be most interested in is the height with shoes.

  • marcusgresham

    …and seemingly a really good guy. I think Adreian Payne is a guy to root for–especially now that he is no longer killing IU.

  • deebo

    I would to see AP to pacers. born leader and toughness not afraid to play D stretch 4 perfect for pacers.

  • vanpastorman

    The thing is they aren’t just big. He’s got,”good” hands. The guy is a star in the making. Teams better pick him or they will be sorry.

  • vanpastorman

    Didn’t you see Blue Chips? They said Neon Bordeaux was 7’4″

  • vanpastorman

    I’m just glad Magic is still with us. When he first announced he had HIV, I thought he would be dead within 10 yrs.

  • vanpastorman

    roflol. Good one. I would say that teams better take a long look at Payne. I got the feeling that he just might have a very nice career.

  • vanpastorman

    Mark I agree. Payne reminds me of David West. The Pacers would be lucky to have a good guy like Adrien on the team.

  • marcusgresham

    Do they make gloves that big? If he put on a foam finger he’d be poking out the ends of it.

  • SCHoosier

    Never believe a player’s listed height in college..never.!

  • SCHoosier

    And Craft shot the lights out in the Combine shooting drills. Go figure.

  • SCHoosier

    With what “Doctor” Craft will end up doing with those hands..who cares.

  • PocketHoosier

    Hey, if he’s figured out how to shoot, now all he has to do is figure out how to grow about 4 inches.