The Minute After: Georgetown

  • 11/21/2012 2:04 am in

BROOKLYN — Thoughts on an 82-72 overtime win over Georgetown:

I. Indiana and Georgetown traded three after three over each other’s zone defenses in the first half, and this began as it finished, in the words of Tom Crean, “an epic battle.” Georgetown may not be ranked now, but it’ll come as little surprise if the Hoyas find themselves in the Top 25 sooner rather than later. They came here and took down a No. 11 UCLA team with a comfortable lead for much of the second half on Monday night, and left with a overtime loss against the No. 1 team in the country. The Hoyas mounted an impressive seven-point rally in the final 1:03 of regulation to send this one into extra time.

Point guard Markel Starks tossed in 20 points after scoring 23 against UCLA; Lengthy, athletic players like Otto Porter (15 points), Greg Whittington (12 points) and Mikael Hopkins (11 points) got theirs against the Hoosiers.

“We had our chances,”┬áJohn Thompson III said after the game. It was true. But the Hoosiers made sure to own overtime, shutting the door on any chance of an upset.

II. Overtime was won on the strength of foul shooting; the Hoosiers went 13-of-17 from the line. A Yogi Ferrell 3-pointer as the shot clock expired and a Jordan Hulls and-1 gave the Hoosiers 18 points in total in that five-minute frame to allow them to net a 10-point victory. As noted in What to Expect, Georgetown has been keeping teams off the line this season. The Hoyas followed suit with that early as Indiana shot only six free throws in the first half. But by game’s end, the Hoosiers had fouled out three Hoyas and hit 26-of-36 (72.2%) to finish with a free throw rate (FTA/FGA) of 73.4.

III. Cody Zeller played better tonight (17 points, eight rebounds) but there were still times tonight where, for all the time he’s put in the weight room and all the strength he’s built, Georgetown defenders were able to overpower him. It’s been known that Zeller’s been sick for several days now, and the 7-foot sophomore revealed after the game that he’s been dealing with “some form of asthmatic bronchitis.”

Indiana plays Ball State on Sunday after the Thanksgiving holiday and then North Carolina — a team that lost to Butler earlier this evening — next Tuesday.

So Zeller will have some time — although not much — to try and rest his body a bit and get over the illness in full.

IV. Jordan Hulls was sensational on back-to-back nights in Brooklyn, and his MVP award of the tournament was well deserved. Hulls turned the tide in the Georgia game and served as the team’s catalyst in the victory during their run in the second half. Tonight against Georgetown, Hulls finished with 17 points and hit a number of key shots. He probably should have taken the last shot in regulation instead of passing to Zeller — something he admitted in post-game comments — but it’s a minor quibble against the totality of his night.

For as good as Yogi Ferrell is and can be, Hulls’ maturity, poise and shooting ability out of the backcourt is currently reigning supreme. This team needs him and he’s delivering in every way so far.

V. Fun little scene here after Indiana won the title game. Victor Oladipo and Remy Abell held up the banner to cheers from the crowd. Jordan Hulls went up and embraced his family. The IU faithful that stuck around creeped down behind the basket to get a closer look and try and shake hands and get high fives from Crean and the players.

As Crean walked through the tunnel, he told those hanging over the sides, “you guys are awesome.”

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  • DarkSouth

    I thought we settled for too many long range shots, I doubt they want to depend on 58.8% 3pt shooting and Jordan Hulls 28 ft. shots when teams zone IU.

    The times they attacked the zone, like hitting Zeller in the high post who then found Sheehey for a dunk, or found Watford on a ball-reveral and/or drive-and-kick, is more what I meant. We did those things occassionally, but we’re too talented to fall into the trap of taking deep 3’s that are always available.

    While Georgetown shot out of their minds early to stay in the game, we shot better than usualy from 3 as well. If we hadn’t we don’t get to overtime. G-town was a good team with a good game plan, thought we played in to it a bit.

  • 5_Banners

    The problem with dickie V is that he doesn’t finish what he originally wants to say. He’ll start talking about something that happened in the game then the next thing you know, hes talking about Channing Tatum.

    He’s that bad when he stays on topic, but that rarely happens.

  • IUzeller40

    imo, I believe the comparison is clutch three’s and a huge spark off the bench. As I previously stated, Remy is more than just 3’s

  • JohnFromBeyond

    In fairness to Yogi, he IS high 80’s at the line, 87% for the season (9 for 11) last night, and has a 3 to 1 TO to assist ratio. He got schooled by a bigger guy at the end of regulation but overall played pretty good defense (I wished that Zeller could have helped better on that play).

    Yogi shot well in high school, it’s only a matter of time before his shot starts falling. That’s his big weakness right now.

  • JohnFromBeyond

    In fairness to Yogi, he IS high 80’s at the line, 87% for the season (9 for 11) last night, and has a 3 to 1 TO to assist ratio. He got schooled by a bigger guy at the end of regulation but overall played pretty good defense (I wished that Zeller could have helped better on that play).

    Yogi shot well in high school, it’s only a matter of time before his shot starts falling. That’s his big weakness right now.

  • he shoots with so much confidence which is the only way you will make it with guys hands right in your face. I am very impressed

  • 5_Banners

    I totally forgot about that. Good point. I was shocked they called that a block and then gave them the basket, too. That was a big play at the time. Still need to finish the game better, but that will improve as they play more games.

  • So we win by 2 less points with an interior presence?

  • So we win by 2 less points with an interior presence?

  • 5_Banners

    This was before the last shot, especially when the lead was cut to one…Crean needed to call a timeout to get Hulls into the game. He’s been one of the few players knocking down free throws consistently.

  • IUMIKE1

    Have to believe it has. Hardly any player goes from playing like he had been this year and like he did last year to playing like he did in these two games without there being a good reason why….plus Cody isn’t just “any” player.

    On his free throws, maybe it’s just me, but it looks like he isn’t putting as much arch on his shot as he has in the past. When he has a nice looking make on his free throw it seems to have more arch than on most of his misses.

  • IUMIKE1

    Agree with the target on our back thing, but I also liked what Crean said when asked about that in the post game, ” when you play at IU you’re always gonna have a target on your back”. It’s Indiana, it’s Indiana. I like your thinking Coach.

  • IUMIKE1

    Yep, vintage Bob

  • CTC did a great job slowly building Remy into the rotation
    last year, with a growing role throughout the season. I think this is the ideal path for Hollowell.

  • CTC did a great job slowly building Remy into the rotation
    last year, with a growing role throughout the season. I think this is the ideal path for Hollowell.

  • 3rdGenHoosier

    Epic Battle says it. Starting to think about Oaken Bucket – I say let’s take back the Bucket and carry it into AH during halftime of the UNC game!

  • Oldguyy

    Wasn’t it fun to see Watford hit the Wat Shot in the Wat Spot not once, but twice last night?

  • CreanFaithful

    What I loved was the 10 rebounds! He’s going to hit shots, that’s what he does… sure, he has some “off nights.” But in those cases he just pounds the paint draws fouls and earns a living at the line. There have been some ridiculous posts in the forum about benching him. He hasn’t shot real well from the field, but he is the second leading scorer, tied for 1st in rebounds, leading the team in FT% and shooting 50% from 3….

  • CreanFaithful

    Have you been posting as a “guest.” If so, I believe comments have to go through the moderators (not sure). If you sign up for a Disqus account it will post automatically.

  • Kris

    Luke72, yes, you are absolutely allowed to post on here. You’ve been a loyal user and commenting on ITH for a long time. I checked and can see that you’ve made several comments over the past few weeks. I don’t see any of your comments waiting for Moderator Review, etc. None of your comments have been deleted, etc.

    Keep us posted on what you’re experiencing, hopefully you don’t experience any issues moving forward.

  • Hey you ptp’ers – I love Dickie V. What a great guy BABY! You don’t know what class is if you don’t like D. Vitale.

  • Hey you ptp’ers – I love Dickie V. What a great guy BABY! You don’t know what class is if you don’t like D. Vitale.

  • Kent Benson comes to most games and would love to teach Cody the hook shot.

  • SCHoosier

    On thing wrong is that Hulls didn’t look for a take a shot last 10 min of first half or first 5-6 min of the second. That just ain’t right for a guy who can fill it up.

  • CreanFaithful

    I agree. Hulls has a the killer instinct that few players have. Unfortunately, he only seems to use it in situations where we NEED someone to step up. When those instances arise, he flips a switch, gets that look in his eye and starts making plays. Obviously he is always working his butt off, particularly on defense (whether it is always effective or not), but offensively he becomes too passive at times, as you pointed out.

  • CreanFaithful

    I agree. Hulls has a the killer instinct that few players have. Unfortunately, he only seems to use it in situations where we NEED someone to step up. When those instances arise, he flips a switch, gets that look in his eye and starts making plays. Obviously he is always working his butt off, particularly on defense (whether it is always effective or not), but offensively he becomes too passive at times, as you pointed out.

  • CreanFaithful

    Wasn’t it great when he called out UK and Calimari for ending the series? I am sick of hearing UK fans claim we were too scared to play them and canceled it, when in fact it was their school who did the canceling….

  • Was it just me or does Sheehey seem to be playing a bit “off” in the last few games? He had a nice jam last night, but there were some other plays that just had me wondering, what was Sheehey thinking? Not quite the same gritty, smart, Def player I remembered from last season.

  • AJ_IU_ColtsFan

    Yep, exactly my point. I saw people exploding all over the internet screaming (in text) “DEFEND THE 3!!”, but I don’t think any of those folks understood *why* they were being allowed those shots. It was a deliberate decision, and it achieved its goals: Zeller stayed out of foul trouble, *AND* IU managed to get a rebounding advantage, despite Georgetown’s size. All because of the gameplan.

    It’s just that the Hoyas somehow had one heck of a first half shooting from that far out. But that was the tradeoff: Crean dared them to succeed from deep. It worked for a half. And right at the end of the game too, But otherwise, the zone negated a lot of what Georgetown was all about on the court. Which is what it was supposed to do.

    When I figured out what was happening, I realized that it was a pretty awesome coaching decision.

  • AJ_IU_ColtsFan

    Yep, exactly my point. I saw people exploding all over the internet screaming (in text) “DEFEND THE 3!!”, but I don’t think any of those folks understood *why* they were being allowed those shots. It was a deliberate decision, and it achieved its goals: Zeller stayed out of foul trouble, *AND* IU managed to get a rebounding advantage, despite Georgetown’s size. All because of the gameplan.

    It’s just that the Hoyas somehow had one heck of a first half shooting from that far out. But that was the tradeoff: Crean dared them to succeed from deep. It worked for a half. And right at the end of the game too, But otherwise, the zone negated a lot of what Georgetown was all about on the court. Which is what it was supposed to do.

    When I figured out what was happening, I realized that it was a pretty awesome coaching decision.

  • Kevin Tolliver

    Im sorry, but losing to UNC or Butler is unacceptable. Especially because the UNC game is at home and Butler while they may be good this year, we have to remain the top dog in the state. Period.

  • Kevin Tolliver

    TMI

  • chiv86

    I would agree that JH needs more practice time and less game time but with Elston, Jurkin and Hanner all out, he is our only backup at the 4 spot. When Zeller needed a rest, Cwat was moved to the 5 and JH usually came in to replace him at the 4 and we played small. I think he is pushed into these games early but there isn’t much we can do at this point until the NCAA gets it together and makes a decision on Hanner and Jurkin

  • marcusgresham

    Tim Legler? Craig Hodges?

  • marcusgresham

    You pointed out two things there and I don’t think you considered how unusual it is to put them together. IU had a rebounding advantage despite using the zone. That doesn’t usually happen.

  • marcusgresham

    NO ONE but Jordan Hulls should be dribbling the ball with a lead and less than a minute on the clock.

  • marcusgresham

    “The Princeton offense is so hard to guard….” Unless it’s run by the Lakers, apparently.

  • stlhoosier

    Gtown too tall for both yogi and hulls to be in. Would’ve allowed an open 3. And hulls struggles to defend the ball.

  • marcusgresham

    I’d love to see Hulls have one Jack Taylor game where he’s told to shoot every damn time he touches the ball. I hope it’s the Mt. St. Mary’s game, because I have tickets.

  • marcusgresham

    I thought the offensive flow was much better than the night before against Georgia.

  • marcusgresham

    I thought the offensive flow was much better than the night before against Georgia.

  • marcusgresham

    I’ve heard a couple of people make the suggestion that Cody’s free throw shooting issues are a result of his bulking up over the summer. He hasn’t made an adjustment as a result of that increased strength.

  • marcusgresham

    When the other guys are allowed to play that may happen again, but it’s difficult to put Watford out there when you only have one other guy with size to rebound.

  • IUMIKE1

    Exactly, much harder to keep the other team off the offensive boards when you are playing a zone. To me, us winning the rebounding part of the game, while playing as much zone as we did, was one the better things that I took away from this game.

  • IUMIKE1

    The first three things that a team has to get ingrained in their heads on the defensive end when playing a team that uses the Princeton offense is, communication, patience and concentration. Then go onto the multiple other things that you have to do to deal with it.

  • IUMIKE1

    The first three things that a team has to get ingrained in their heads on the defensive end when playing a team that uses the Princeton offense is, communication, patience and concentration. Then go onto the multiple other things that you have to do to deal with it.

  • IUMIKE1

    That’s a really good point, hadn’t really thought about that. A free throw shot is basically having your muscles trained to do the same thing exactly the same way every time. Then you change those same muscles as much as he has and it could definitely make just enough of an alteration of that repetition to affect it. I guess it kinda makes even more sense when you stop and think he hasn’t dropped his % by 30 or 40 points or nothing but rather just enough to make it obvious that something is a little different.

  • Geoff_85

    No, the shot clock expired just after he released the ball.

  • anthony conaggio

    This game confirmed my view that IU is not going to win a national championship playing Yogi and Jordy together. How many times were they unable to get a hand in the face when Gtown guards shot 3s? Both Jordy and Yogi are great players, ebut IU will only the a championship team with last year’s ending lineup, or something similar … otherwise it is just too easy for opposing perimeter players to get their shots off without any obstruction.

  • WatchingYogi_atYogis

    I’d say you are half right on that one. That was, I think, CTC’s thought process in the end of regulation. Hulls wasn’t exactly having the type of game he had the night before. We were ahead. I think he thought that defending the lead was the most important consideration and that Remy and Yogi were the best combination to do that.

    Of course, it backfired because Yogi missed two clutch free throws to extend the lead and he also got scored on a tough drive, maybe even a lucky shot, that was shot through/over him.

    In overtime, Hulls stepped up the scoring and Yogi hit his free throws. They were both out there to close out overtime. I predict that CTC will go with Hulls and Yogi together the next time we need to close a lead out in a close game. They might give up the score, which might mean some offense/defense subbing, if we have that option. But what they can do offensively to extend the lead will be paramount. I think regulation was a learning experience that we saw adjusted in overtime and going forward.