What To Expect: Georgetown

  • 11/20/2012 12:46 pm in

After an uneven performance in a Monday night win against Georgia in the Legends Classic at Brooklyn’s Barclays Center, the Hoosiers will take on Georgetown in the championship on Tuesday night approximately 30 minutes after the 7:30 p.m. tip of the third-place bout between UCLA and Georgia. 

Georgetown (3-0) upset the No. 13 UCLA Bruins 78-70 on Monday night. The game will be televised on ESPN.

SIZE

The first thing that jumps out about Georgetown?

On paper, the Hoyas are shaping up as a team able to take advantage of Indiana’s size deficiency —  both in the backcourt (Jordan Hulls and Yogi Ferrell) and potentially with the lack of depth up front due to the suspensions of Hanner Mosquera-Perea and Peter Jurkin. As Dan Shulman noted on Twitter, John Thompson III starts four players 6’8″ or taller — Greg Whittington (6’8″), Mikael Hopkins (6’9″), Otto Porter (6’8″) and Nate Lubick (6′ 8″). The lone shorter starter, Markel Starks (6’3″), dropped 23 points on the Bruins on Monday night. Porter had 18 to go along with 11 boards. It’s possible Tom Crean could make a starting lineup tweak to match up better — potentially inserting Will Sheehey for Hulls — but Hulls was key to Indiana’s victory on Monday night, so it remains to be seen.

Three games in, the Hoyas have been able to parlay that size into a decent defensive output (a 91.4 adjusted defensive efficiency has them ranked 27th in the country) and they’re not allowing teams to get to the line much (just allowing a 21.3 free throw rate, 18th best in the nation).

Indiana has been getting to the line a lot and scoring in bunches, so we’ll see what gives, if anything at all, Tuesday night.

PACE

Thompson III runs the Princeton offense at Georgetown, so his teams play at a slower pace than the nation’s average. According to KenPom, the current DI average based on his adjusted tempo metric is 66.8 possessions per game; Georgetown currently is playing at a 64.3 possessions-per-game pace, ranking them 282nd in the nation. Last year’s Hoyas ended the year at 63.0 possessions, which was 300th.

For comparison’s sake, Indiana’s up-tempo style has them above the NCAA average at 68.4 possessions on the year (91st); last year the Hoosiers finished the season at 67.3 (108th).

Crean and his team have talked often about dictating pace/playing at their pace so far this season to the media, so it’s another area to watch with both teams flashing different offensive characteristics.

INDIANA CONNECTION

North Central product D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera — a one-time recruiting target of Crean’s — is a freshman for the Hoyas. He went scoreless in 12 minutes of action against UCLA on Monday night. However, the freshman played 32 minutes in the team’s season opener against Duquesne and scored a team-high 19 points, while also adding 12 points in 19 minutes against Liberty in Georgetown’s second win of the season.

So it’s possible he could play a decent role off the bench for the Hoyas in Tuesday night’s matchup.

THE LINES

KenPom’s computer is giving the Hoosiers an 83% chance at victory with a final score of 72-62. The Vegas line currently has the Hoosiers as a 9.5-point favorite.

QUICK FACTS ON GEORGETOWN

Student Enrollment: 17,130
Established: 1789
Notable Basketball Alumni: Dikembe Mutombo, Alonzo Mourning, Patrick Ewing, Allen Iverson and Roy Hibbert

All stats from KenPom.com.

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  • KeeneIU11

    Looking at Georgetown’s previous games, they have struggled to put away inferior teams. Even with all the big bodies, they still had to rely on an uncharacteristic shooting performance from their point guard last night to get the W. I worry about Zeller picking up early fouls, but we’re coming off of a game in which we played well below our capabilities. The opposite is true of Georgetown. I would guess we’ll play a little more zone tonight to try to force the ball out to the perimeter, but I think we’ll win convincingly. Go Hoosiers!

  • Evansville Hoosier

    I think they struggled to put those teams away because of the injury to Otto Porter.

  • Evansville Hoosier

    I think they struggled to put those teams away because of the injury to Otto Porter.

  • Georgetown plays smart and tough. Almost like an athletic verision of Whisky, The outside shot will need to fall for us to win. The defense will need to be patient and CZ will need to stay out of foul trouble. I think this will be a 2-5 pt win. Hulls was amazing last night. What a gutsy performance.

  • JJHoosier

    How about keeping our lineup small and quick – I believe there bigs would struggle with our speed, quickness, and outside shooting. Why should we change?

  • marcusgresham

    I keep calling for a press (and not just full-court man-to-man pressure. That’s not a press because everyone else just runs up the floor and it’s one-on-one.) This may be the time to unleash it.

  • b_side

    They struggled playing man-to-man defense in the early part of the first half vs. UCLA before switching to zone. If we can open up the game early and force them to go zone again, it will be a shooting clinic and nightmare for them to body up Oladipo on the offensive glass.

  • b_side

    They struggled playing man-to-man defense in the early part of the first half vs. UCLA before switching to zone. If we can open up the game early and force them to go zone again, it will be a shooting clinic and nightmare for them to body up Oladipo on the offensive glass.

  • Benhyoung14

    I’m hoping we can get out and run on them. Zeller can run as good as any 7′ in the country. We should be fine with Yogi and Oladipo pushing the ball.

  • KeeneIU11

    Great point.

  • The_Dukester

    Can someone clarify the tip off time? Ryan is saying 30 minutes past tip-off of UCLA-Georgia games, so like 8:00ish.

    ESPN and IUhoosiers.com list the tip off at 10:00pm eastern.

  • SplackThemHams

    I think if they were going to make a line up tweak, inserting Sheehey for Yogi would make much more sense

  • CreanFaithful

    This is normally true with Zeller, but he seemed to lack energy last night and several camera shots showed him coughing. I think he is still under the weather. Let’s hope not.

  • hoyasfan

    I have to admit reading this board and talking to IU fans last night that y’all are some of the most objective and intelligent in the country. I thought Zeller looked really bad last night. He was repeatedly pushed around and had no explosion. He seems to move very well and he’s obviously highly skilled but seemed to lack toughness. I expect he’ll have a tough game again tonight because the Hoyas will play him so physical. That being said, I don’t expect the Hoosiers to shoot so poorly again. This is one of the (perhaps THE) elite shooting teams in the country. All in all, the Hoyas can’t run with the Hoosiers…they just can’t. Indiana is in trouble in the 50s…it’s a close game in the 60s, Indiana wins in the 70’s going away, it’s ugly if the Indiana breaks 80. Indiana is rightly favored…the Hoyas are very limited offensively, but the Hoyas can pull out a slug fest. One of the posters is absolutely correct, Markel Starks played the game of his life last night. Don’t be surprised if Otto Porter is the best player on the floor…he just understands the game. It probably won’t be enough. Finally, who would love a guy like Hulls on your team. Loved watching that guy.

  • hoyasfan

    I have to admit reading this board and talking to IU fans last night that y’all are some of the most objective and intelligent in the country. I thought Zeller looked really bad last night. He was repeatedly pushed around and had no explosion. He seems to move very well and he’s obviously highly skilled but seemed to lack toughness. I expect he’ll have a tough game again tonight because the Hoyas will play him so physical. That being said, I don’t expect the Hoosiers to shoot so poorly again. This is one of the (perhaps THE) elite shooting teams in the country. All in all, the Hoyas can’t run with the Hoosiers…they just can’t. Indiana is in trouble in the 50s…it’s a close game in the 60s, Indiana wins in the 70’s going away, it’s ugly if the Indiana breaks 80. Indiana is rightly favored…the Hoyas are very limited offensively, but the Hoyas can pull out a slug fest. One of the posters is absolutely correct, Markel Starks played the game of his life last night. Don’t be surprised if Otto Porter is the best player on the floor…he just understands the game. It probably won’t be enough. Finally, who would love a guy like Hulls on your team. Loved watching that guy.

  • Dagwoods

    Agreed!

  • Gtown will pound the ball inside trying to get Zeller in foul trouble.
    We’d better hit some early 3s and also make our free throws; or it will be a long night.

  • Benhyoung14

    At the least I think he can run the floor, and get some easy layups and boards. It does worry me he isn’t 100%, but like last night somebody should step up.

  • welcome to ITH

    I have to admit I was hoping for IU vs UCLA to see how we could play against the highly touted Shabazz, but Hoyas and their size will be a good test for IU too. I’m hoping for a game in the 80s 😉

  • KeeneIU11

    The game will begin at 10 ET at the earliest, as it is scheduled. Depending on when the UCLA-UGA game ends, it could potentially get pushed back. Tournament games typically have a minimum 30 minute gap between the end of one and the start of the next. Hope that helps.

  • twarrior87

    I know Cody had a bad game last night, but people are now saying he lacks toughness or isn’t physical enough. The game that sticks out in my mind that disproves this opinion is the Illinois game from last year where Zeller dominated Myles Leonard (and even made him cry, I believe).
    I’ll admit Cody did not show it at all last night… I keep hearing rumors he has the flu and isn’t practicing, can anyone verify this? Or was it just an off night for our big man?

  • twarrior87

    I know Cody had a bad game last night, but people are now saying he lacks toughness or isn’t physical enough. The game that sticks out in my mind that disproves this opinion is the Illinois game from last year where Zeller dominated Myles Leonard (and even made him cry, I believe).
    I’ll admit Cody did not show it at all last night… I keep hearing rumors he has the flu and isn’t practicing, can anyone verify this? Or was it just an off night for our big man?

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    Cody won’t be that bad again. The key with us is always whether our guards get him the ball enough. He should touch the ball every trip down the floor. Not shoot every time, but good things happen when he’s involved.

  • NotTheRealSteveEyl

    That’s thirty mins after the end of the previous, not the tip. Late night.

  • HoosierTrav

    These kinds of posts are always welcome here. I would say good luck tonight but i wont for obvious reasons. I will say that you have a highly underrated team and i wish the hoya’s the best after tonight.

  • I’m slightly concerned we didnt have ANY inside presence last night even with our 7′ preseason player of the year on the floor. I’m not sure what Cody was trying to do last night. He looked like he wanted to play on the wing more than on the block. He’s got to be much better tonight. Much better. Show us you worked on your inside game this Summer and not just mid-range jumpers and threes.
    SHOW ME A FRIGGIN POST MOVE!

  • I’m slightly concerned we didnt have ANY inside presence last night even with our 7′ preseason player of the year on the floor. I’m not sure what Cody was trying to do last night. He looked like he wanted to play on the wing more than on the block. He’s got to be much better tonight. Much better. Show us you worked on your inside game this Summer and not just mid-range jumpers and threes.
    SHOW ME A FRIGGIN POST MOVE!

  • He also got destroyed in the Michigan State game at their place if you recall that. Georgia and the Hoyas are more MSU inside than they are soft Myles Leonard.
    I would gather that a lot of it may be the sickness. I’m not going to allow that to be used as an excuse here and you can guarantee neither is Cody. If you are healthy enough to run the court you are healthy enough to get on the block, rebound, and defend. I am all for him to show his well rounded game in the future, but damnit right now we have no other bigs to help inside and he needs to get an edge to him and get in there and use his size and strength. He will have at least 4 inches on every other guy on the Hoyas tonight. If he doesnt have a big game I will be very disappointed in him. Time for the top dog to show why he was on so many covers.

  • Any word on the Hanner/Jurkin hearing?

  • Any word on the Hanner/Jurkin hearing?

  • Sherronhasaheadache

    CZ looks under the weather to me, maybe we will win the appeal before game time and HMP will give us a presence inside… 10 3’s and we win

  • KeeneIU11

    Does anyone else keep refreshing the homepage every 5 minutes hoping to see “CLEARED!” as the top headline? Or am I the only crazy one?

  • JerryCT

    I too keep wanting to see an aggressive press as an offensive weapon ………………. but CTC has not done this in 4 yrs even when we were behind so I like your idea but doubt w will see it

  • Blake Dieringer

    all day long!!!

    Honestly it may not be that great for them to be cleared and play tonight. Even though I don’t think our team has found our chemistry yet, I think putting these guys into the lineup may hurt our chemistry even more. I could be wrong though.

  • JohnFromBeyond

    The Michigan st game was Cody’s first big ten game, in December, on the road. He got schooled then, but he’s nowhere near the same player today. That was ancient history.

    I thought his defense was ok last night, but nothing else. Georgia was no slouch inside, but they paid for their tough defense with fouls. I agree, he will be the tallest guy by far tonight so he should dominate inside. I’ll give him a break for being sick last night, and missing some practices. I have faih in him. Hopefully he got some good sleep!

  • JohnFromBeyond

    You must be crazy. I do it every minute.

  • Does anybody have an idea of when they’ll decide? I’m not sure I can take this any more.

  • JerryCT

    Watford defended ball handling guards at the end of last season. I think Porter is just the right challenge for CTC to give CW to get him back in the groove that seems missing so far. I hope he can handle it.

    ANother option is CW on Starks an let Oladipo go to war w Porter

  • JerryCT

    Watford defended ball handling guards at the end of last season. I think Porter is just the right challenge for CTC to give CW to get him back in the groove that seems missing so far. I hope he can handle it.

    ANother option is CW on Starks an let Oladipo go to war w Porter

  • twarrior87

    That was Cody’s first matchup with MSU on the road at the Breslin… I don’t think he got dominated when they came to Assembly Hall later in the season.

  • twarrior87

    And I believe that soft Myles Leonard left after his sophomore year and was the #11 pick in the draft…

  • twarrior87

    And I believe that soft Myles Leonard left after his sophomore year and was the #11 pick in the draft…

  • KeeneIU11

    They might struggle with conditioning, especially since Hanner has been off of his foot. However, I would love to have some insurance behind Cody in case of fouls. Chemistry could suffer a little, but remember Yogi, Hanner, Jeremy, and Peter played on the same AAU team. Plus, Crean can always yank them if they aren’t performing well. I think it has much more upside (if we end up receiving good news from the hearing).

  • IUMIKE1

    There is two ways to look at this, 1) the crazy ones are the ones that DON’T do that, or 2) the crazy ones are the ones that do it thinking that there is even a small chance that they will be cleared. Hell I’ve spent the day trying to look at it both ways to keep from going crazy and all it has done is make me even more crazy and just ask anyone that really knows me and they will tell you that is quite the statement in its self.

    On a more rational note, I thought that the part of the appeal that dealt with them possibly being able to play sooner than 9 games was not going to be heard until Friday but then I could have sworn I heard someone on the telecast last night say something about today more than once, but then again it could have been the Woodford Reserve talking too.

  • IUMIKE1

    There is two ways to look at this, 1) the crazy ones are the ones that DON’T do that, or 2) the crazy ones are the ones that do it thinking that there is even a small chance that they will be cleared. Hell I’ve spent the day trying to look at it both ways to keep from going crazy and all it has done is make me even more crazy and just ask anyone that really knows me and they will tell you that is quite the statement in its self.

    On a more rational note, I thought that the part of the appeal that dealt with them possibly being able to play sooner than 9 games was not going to be heard until Friday but then I could have sworn I heard someone on the telecast last night say something about today more than once, but then again it could have been the Woodford Reserve talking too.

  • Devout Hoosier

    I think if you have Peter and Hanner back that makes a lot of sense match up wise. If not, I don’t think the start will be any different because you need Will to give Watford and Zeller breathers.

  • Devout Hoosier

    10pm ET ESPN. Will be watching N.C. vs Butler at 8pm prior to our tip off (same channel).

  • cheeseman18

    What’s crazy is that you haven’t joined the premium forum yet where you can refresh the page even more often and hear it from Alex before its even up here! Haha just kidding, but seriously we would be glad to have you in the premium forum. 🙂

  • IUMIKE1

    Can’t remember where it was that I heard it but Crean said a while back that they would be doing a lot more different things defensively once he has at least HP & PJ back and that he hadn’t even scratched the surface of what he wants to do this year defensively. I think we will see more and more different things on the defensive end as the season goes on. He mentioned a half court trap and “other” trapping type defenses specifically. I’m like you, if we’re gonna press I would like to see something different than a strictly man to man type press.

  • IUMIKE1

    Can’t remember where it was that I heard it but Crean said a while back that they would be doing a lot more different things defensively once he has at least HP & PJ back and that he hadn’t even scratched the surface of what he wants to do this year defensively. I think we will see more and more different things on the defensive end as the season goes on. He mentioned a half court trap and “other” trapping type defenses specifically. I’m like you, if we’re gonna press I would like to see something different than a strictly man to man type press.