What to watch for: July evaluation period

  • 07/06/2012 8:19 am in

The first of three five-day July evaluation periods begins next Wednesday at 5 p.m. and Inside the Hall takes a look at what we’ll be watching for as college coaches hit the trail to evaluate prospects:

· How will IU proceed with the 2013 class? With four verbal commitments already secured, Indiana is technically full on scholarships for the 2013-2014 season and that doesn’t include Maurice Creek, who is entering his fourth season but will have eligibility beyond the upcoming season.

The IU staff, led by Tom Crean’s relentless approach to never stop improving the program, continues to recruit for the class. BeeJay Anya, Semi Ojeleye (pictured) and Marcus Lee have all been heavily courted. With all three prospects — and 2014 commit Trey Lyles, 2014 target Trevon Bluiett, 2013 center Kennedy Meeks, 2014 point guard Tyus Jones and 2014 wing Theo Pinson — participating in the Nike Peach Jam during the second evaluation period, expect a heavy Indiana presence at the summer’s final EYBL event in North Augusta, South Carolina.

· How will Hartman fare in July? Fair or not, 2013 commit Collin Hartman has been one of the hottest topics of discussion amongst Indiana fans since the end of the high school season. A lot of that chatter comes from Hartman’s fall from the top 25 in ESPN’s initial 2013 rankings to no ranking by any of the three major scouting services (ESPN, Rivals and Scout/Fox Sports Next).

Hartman has an opportunity to regain stature on a national level this month as the Eric Gordon Central Stars will play in the adidas Invitational in Indianapolis, the NY2LA Summer Jam in Milwaukee and the adidas Super 64 in Las Vegas. With the spring concussion that caused problems for the Cathedral senior out of the way, will July be his time to shine?

· Who will emerge as the top priorities for 2014? Our 2014 recruiting board is still fairly lengthy, but July should afford the opportunity for the Indiana staff to lay eyes on just about every recruit listed. Trevon Bluiett currently lays claim to the top spot on the board of the uncommitted prospects due to the strong interest from both sides. But not far behind is Phil Booth, a guard from the Baltimore area who is expected to take an unofficial visit to Bloomington after the July period wraps up.

The two highest listed prospects on the board without offers are Malek Harris and Shane Hall, who have both spoken very highly of Indiana. Perhaps a strong July could lead to further movement with Harris and Hall.

· How will trio of young guards progress after strong spring showings? Indiana has placed an emphasis on getting in on the best in-state prospects very early. With the 2014 class, it paid dividends when Trey Lyles and James Blackmon Jr. committing before ever playing a high school game.

The same strategy with the 2015 and 2016 classes seems to materializing as Indiana offered 2015 Cathedral guard Jalen Coleman last summer and 2015 East Chicago Central guard Hyron Edwards and 2016 North Central guard Eron Gordon this past spring. Coleman and Edwards are already tracking in the top 25 nationally in ESPN’s first rankings and Gordon is in the top ten of the only 2016 rankings we’ve been able to find.

All three had strong springs and should use that momentum to play even better in July. Coleman should be more comfortable after playing with his Spiece Indy Heat-Lands team for the first time this spring, Edwards should continue to make strides as a better defender and Gordon’s strength should continue to make him difficult to keep out of the lane.

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  • HoosierStoff

    Is BeeJay Anya giving any indication whatsoever of who might be the serious contenders to land him? I think all of us Hoosier fans really want to see this kid in Cream and Crimson, but I am wondering how realisitc our chances are with so many schools in the mix?

  • Count me as one who’s not sold on some of his lofty rankings. I see a lot of 2 point 3 rbds games from supposedly the best Center in the class. We’ve got so many wings already, but Ojeleye is going to be a beast for whomever gets him. Kid can flat out play and does a lot of things very well.
    You already have a Center and PF in this ’13 class anyway as I think DD is destined to play most of his minutes at the 4 at Indiana.

  • Steve Hart

    I noticed no mention of Jaquan Lyle for the class of 2014 and only Trevon Bluiett and some other guys. I thought that Lyle and Bluiett were both big time targets for IU. Does Lyle offically have an offer and does he still seeem interested?

  • HoosierStoff

    While I agree that he will need a lot of work and coaching from our staff, I think that the size and intangibles he brings to the floor will be invaluable. I see DD as more of a 3, and I think that we can all agree that we would love to have a big body in Anya to bang the boards during Big Ten play. I don’t think that you can ever have too much depth and size in this conference, as rebounding often decides games. He seems to have a confidence and presence about him that I think would be a tremendous asset for the team moving forward. I never really place too much stock in the rankings, as they more often than not prove to be off the mark.
    I just can’t see Ojeleye wanting to come to an already-crowded roster at his position, especially since he is being courted by several other top programs.

  • ScoopGeoff

    The issue for me is that they are both unique players to anything I have seen in the class or what we have in the system currently. Anya is the wide body banger with long arms and that inherent knack for shot blocking that you can’t really teach once they get to college. If he gets in better shape I could see him as a Paul Millsap type player. Ojeleye is a relentless attacking wing who just seems so much more physically mature than even current college players. I could see him playing similar to a Maggette with a ceiling of Charles Barkley. I just feel like either of them are players that teams have to gameplan for by mid-way thru their freshman seasons, and I wish we could have them both.

  • Let’s take the time and attention that we have given to BeeJay and devote it to Cliff Alexander. I realize they are a year apart, but Semi and Cliff sounds pretty good to me. Oh and Trey and James and …….

  • Let’s take the time and attention that we have given to BeeJay and devote it to Cliff Alexander. I realize they are a year apart, but Semi and Cliff sounds pretty good to me. Oh and Trey and James and …….

  • inLinE6

    If we get both Beejay and Semi, will we have an even more complicated scholarship crunch scenario? We would be hoping one or two kids from 2012 class be one-year-and-done.

  • Evansville Hoosier

    I’m impressed that you guys found a 2016 ranking really.

    I wonder if we’ll recruit Vijay Blackmon in 2016?

  • MillaRed

    It’s one or the other, not both.

  • Arch_Puddington

    Unless I am missing something, we are more than full for next year. We have four commits, but only three players whose eligibility will expire (Hulls, Watford, Elston). Creek will technically be a senior, but as Alex points out, he will have eligibility remaining even if he is on the roster.

    That means at least one player with eligibility left will have to leave at the end of this season, or one of the incoming freshmen will have to wait out a year in prep school. Obviously many people expect Zeller to go, but that is not guaranteed, and even if he does, yet another player will have to go if Anya or Ojeleye commit. Wonderful problems to have, but problems nonetheless…

  • Does anyone know where we stand with Jaquan Lyle?

  • Does anyone know where we stand with Jaquan Lyle?

  • kydan

    I think these kids will come running when April comes around and our belovéd Hoosiers bring home another title!

  • hardcore_hoosier

    Too many people being skeptical of Anya. This kid is a monster in the paint and would be a huge addition. A 7′ 9″ wingspan makes him a defensive gamechanger. He made the roster for the US 17u squad which says a lot. Plus he still has a year to develop some opportunities. When was the last time we had a skilled Antonio Davis sized beast on the floor? If we can lock down one of his official visits (which IMO we will) we have a very good chance at landing him.

  • Kelin Blab

    Lots to look forward too in July….

    + I look forward to seeing how a healthy Hartman performs. He could have a bounce back like Devin Davis who dealt with injuries also.

    + Anya v Semi….Anya & Semi. I don’t know if it is either or with IU but I am torn. I seen Anya as an absolute beast with the help of Jenay Jackson conditioning program. However, Semi is a play now, help now, MORE help is on the way (mike davis reference) type of player. That kid can play and seems to be physically ready for college. If Crean calls me for advice I tell him Semi and move on to 2014…..

    + 2014 It is Trevon Bluiett all day. I like some of our other 2014 options that are ranked higher but I am sold on Trevon’s importance to making a good team great. It will be interesting to see when that NON indiana national top 10 recruit makes the call for IU.

    + It was just a short time ago I knew NO ONE from 2015 or 2016. Now Edwards, Coleman, and Gordon are all on the radar. Saw Gordon two weeks ago, struggled with his shot, but I can see the ability. I would not be surprised Vijay Blackmon receives an IU offer soon.

  • superhoops

    Seems like a lot of people are down on Hartman and with his rankings dropping it is somewhat understandable. Hartman is an example of why getting commitments early could possibly hurt. We currently have no scholarships available and we have one tied up by a kid who was smart enough to accept an offer early and not wait to be possibly being left out of contention for a spot. Now we may lose a higher rated recruit. Probably when all the 2013 kids committed, they were told playing time could be easily had. Winning big last season changed that and with the strong 2012 class coming in, playing time will be even tougher to come by unless you’re an elite player. What concerns me in not only the 2013 class and more so in the 2012 class, someone is going to be told to go away or walk on. Yet, we are still actively recruiting more players. I would hope we will find out which player will leave or walk on in 2012 soon as I thought scholarship renewals were to be given to returning players by the first of July. While I trust Coach has a plan, this has and will continue to bother me. It’s not the way we should be treating our players.

  • Kelin Blab

    I expect every Blackmon will be recruited by IU…..those kids are really good, even the youngest.

  • Kelin Blab

    I expect every Blackmon will be recruited by IU…..those kids are really good, even the youngest.

  • Bobby

    Lots of speculation here. Wait and see how the schollys play out before concerning yourself with the treatment of players.

  • Hudson

    i have personally seen Anya play in person 7 or 8 times the past 2 years in person and would LOVE to see him in candy stripes! This kid can PLAY. To top it off he is the type of kid that will be around the program for 3 to 4 years..Sounds like the perfect prospect to me

  • Hudson

    Gonna me tough getting Cliff from going to Michigan State

  • IULaw79

    I disagree with your final statement. There has not been one statement by any player, current or former, who has said they are not treated right by Crean and the staff. We all are making a big deal about the scholly situation, and while it is an issue, CTC will handle it and he will handle it right, with respect for any and all players involved. I still believe we will return everyone with 1 or 2 of the upperclass in-state kids taking one for the TEAM and playing as a walk on. There are definetly a few on the roster who I think would trade that in state tuition for a National Title. Just my opinion.

  • IULaw79

    I disagree with your final statement. There has not been one statement by any player, current or former, who has said they are not treated right by Crean and the staff. We all are making a big deal about the scholly situation, and while it is an issue, CTC will handle it and he will handle it right, with respect for any and all players involved. I still believe we will return everyone with 1 or 2 of the upperclass in-state kids taking one for the TEAM and playing as a walk on. There are definetly a few on the roster who I think would trade that in state tuition for a National Title. Just my opinion.

  • Hudson

    Gonna me tough getting Cliff from going to Michigan State

  • HystericalHoosier

    The last time we had a skilled Antonio Davis sized beast on the floor was DJ White.

  • inLinE6

    That’s Mr. Oladipo. He’s done academically by next season and will be ready for NBA. If he develops his court vision and jump shot he’ll be a solid 1st rounder.

  • inLinE6

    I would have high respect if Hulls or Elston steps up and pay in-state tuition for the final year. They both got the undergraduate degree for free and with much less classes for the master’s degree, it’s cheaper than what those underclass kids have to pay.

  • Arch_Puddington

    Well, no one has been asked to leave yet, so there has been no reason for anyone to complain. We’ll see how things go if we back out on a commitment. 

    As for the idea that someone will voluntarily give up a scholarship in
    return for a championship, I think you’re too quick to spend other
    people’s money. Would you be willing to place a $20,000 bet that we
    will win it all next year? I doubt it, and I doubt that anyone else would be either. 

  • Arch_Puddington

    Well, no one has been asked to leave yet, so there has been no reason for anyone to complain. We’ll see how things go if we back out on a commitment. 

    As for the idea that someone will voluntarily give up a scholarship in
    return for a championship, I think you’re too quick to spend other
    people’s money. Would you be willing to place a $20,000 bet that we
    will win it all next year? I doubt it, and I doubt that anyone else would be either. 

  • twarrior87

    I used to be an Anya naysayer, but then i did some research. You can’t rely on the statistics from the AAU leagues. They are perimeter focused games and he isn’t seeing a ton of playing time.
    In high school at Dematha as a junior he averaged a double-double and 6.8 blocks per game.
    Here’s his statline:
    13.3 ppg., 10.5 rpg, 6.8 bpg
    (source: http://www.usabasketball.com/bios/anya_beejay.html)
    Having a guy like this patrolling the paint is something I’d love to see in Bloomington. With all of the wings and guards we are recruiting/signing it would be a great complement.

  • IULaw79

    Lousville had 3 guys do it last year, including one who had a brother in the NBA (Smith) who paid his tuition, so its really not that far fetched. Anyway, none of us know whats going on, was just my opinion…i think your bet 20 grand comment is offbase, but maybe i should have said “the chance to win a National Title”. I just personally think its much more likely that we have a guy pay his own way than to expect one of “the movement” to go the prep school route or for CTC to just tell a guy he’s no longer wanted at IU.

  • steelhoosier

    Quote from paper about Hyron Edwards “The biggest thrill, fhough, was in April when IU coach Tom Crean came to E.C. to watch Edwards play some pickup ball. When it was done, Crean walked over and gave Edwards a scholarship offer. Edwards was overwhelmed. And pumped. “It was great, I loved it,” he said. “I didn’t expect it as a freshman. I was very excited. And my dad told me that Purdue offered the next day. CTC always a step ahead. Go Hoosiers!!

  • iufan4life10

    I still believe Hulls will end up paying his way next year. His comment of “I’m walking” in that Hulls type way just seems to fit. I believe it was referenced to him graduating early at the awards ceremony but I think it was really meant for more than that. I wouldn’t put it past Hulls.

  • iufan4life10

    It’s all about how that particular player, maybe more importantly family, views money. I’m not suggesting who is, or isn’t, going to pay next year. In IU’s case, Tyler is about to sign a pretty big contract. I don’t think 20,000 is all that much to dish out for his bro. (I actually don’t think it is that much since he is leaving with his big bro and wife) In UL’s case, Smith’s brother is JR Smith. I don’t think he was hurting for money. The other Kuric’s dad is a surgeon, I don’t think he is hurting for money either.

  • iufan4life10

    It’s all about how that particular player, maybe more importantly family, views money. I’m not suggesting who is, or isn’t, going to pay next year. In IU’s case, Tyler is about to sign a pretty big contract. I don’t think 20,000 is all that much to dish out for his bro. (I actually don’t think it is that much since he is leaving with his big bro and wife) In UL’s case, Smith’s brother is JR Smith. I don’t think he was hurting for money. The other Kuric’s dad is a surgeon, I don’t think he is hurting for money either.

  • Here are some 2016 (and 2015) rankings for you:
    http://sportspresstv.com/basketball-2016.php

    Take these rankings with this ( . ) grain of salt.

  • brian_h_whitaker

    Kyle Couric chose to walk on at Louisville last year , and he was a starter …… Uh and the son of a Evansville brain surgeon

  • DannerPerea

    I might also expect Derek Elston to begin grad school at another university.

  • Arch_Puddington

    First, my comment about the bet was not meant quite as it sounded. I just meant that  giving up a scholarship would essentially be a $20,000 wager that the team would win, or seriously contend for, a championship as a result. Sorry if it sounded more in-your-face than that.

    Beyond that, I am going to excuse myself from further comments
    on this topic. All the speculation about how much money other
    people have and what they might or should do with it is just plain creepy. 

  • Arch_Puddington

    First, my comment about the bet was not meant quite as it sounded. I just meant that  giving up a scholarship would essentially be a $20,000 wager that the team would win, or seriously contend for, a championship as a result. Sorry if it sounded more in-your-face than that.

    Beyond that, I am going to excuse myself from further comments
    on this topic. All the speculation about how much money other
    people have and what they might or should do with it is just plain creepy. 

  • Evansville Hoosier

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Jalen Blackmon could start for Nebrasketball next year…

  • hgdownunder

    agreed. Obviously after all the strum-und-drang of the Matt Roth situation, it wasn’t a bet he was willing to make.

  • SGhoosier

    With the UofL players they are willing to pay the price to be in the club. They are fans too.

    Who we need are players who are IU fans first and are willing to play the price to play too. Shouldn’t be expecting a walk-on who is willing to pay the price just to be on the bench, That’s an expensive ticket to pay.
    So my guess would be either Hulls (who has always been an IU fan) since he has a free degree; lives locally and will be guaranteed decent amount of playing time.

  • Would love to get Cliff. Think Anya could develop into a nice player in the Big Ten just dont see how he fits in Crean’s up tempo/switch all positions/constant pressure gameplan. He’ll have to drop some weight, which I think I’ve read he’s getting into better shape. Just really dont want Sparty to get an inside beast like Cliff, but may be a moot point.

  • Would love to get Cliff. Think Anya could develop into a nice player in the Big Ten just dont see how he fits in Crean’s up tempo/switch all positions/constant pressure gameplan. He’ll have to drop some weight, which I think I’ve read he’s getting into better shape. Just really dont want Sparty to get an inside beast like Cliff, but may be a moot point.

  • SCHoosier

    I tend to agree with this. Remember..we will have Fischer. Perea and Jurkin still in the mix..which allows some flexibility as to how Anya will be used. An athletic 6-8 talent with that timing and wingspan could create some real havoic.

  • Daburns0

    So you think Elston is leaving this year and player somewhere else for his last year? Sounds like a big stretch to

  • MillaRed

    At the rate these kids are graduating, I find it hard to believe 20K is the actual number for one of these seniors.

    We also have to factor in pride when looking at this from the outside. Does Player X really want to be “that guy?” It’s not an easy thing to do.

    But as others have said, we have played within the rules. There is an oversign and we took advantage of it. Mo’s injury definitely complicated things. And I have a feeling the speed of his recovery is the answer to all of these questions.

    I’m not going to reflect negatively on the scholarship situation. No one is doing anything wrong.

  • Kevin Tolliver