Scouting New Mexico State

  • 03/12/2012 12:45 pm in

Record: 26-9 (10-4 WAC)

Against the NCAA tournament field: 1-3 (1-1 vs. New Mexico, 0-2 vs. Southern Miss)

Last time in field: 2009-10, lost in first round

How they got here: Won the WAC tournament championship by beating Louisiana Tech, 82-57

Coach: Marvin Menzies, a former assistant to Rick Pitino at Louisville. Menzies is in his fifth season as the head coach at New Mexico State. He recruited current Indiana guard Verdell Jones when he was with the Cardinals.

Player to Watch: Wendell McKines, 6-6, 230-pound forward. McKines, a fifth-year senior, is averaging 18.8 points and 10.8 rebounds per game and had 20 double-doubles this season. He’s scored 20 or more points in 18 games, and he had a season high 28 in a loss to Arizona.

McKines isn’t a great 3-point shooter (35 percent), but he does attempt a little more than four 3s a game. He attempts five free throws per contest, and is very much a volume shooter. Only twice this season did McKines attempt fewer than 10 shots in a game. He took 17 or more shots in nine games.

“Anybody who does this for a living knows the better players, and Wendell McKines is one of the better players, not only on the west coast but certainly in the country,” said Indiana coach Tom Crean.

Why they’re good: The Aggies like to get out and run, they get to the foul line (30 attempts per game), they rebound (sixth in the nation at 40.3 rebounds), and they score — a lot (78 points per contest). They’re very much an up-tempo team, and they have seven players that average at least seven points a game.

They are not, however, a good outside shooting team. They shoot only 32.7 percent from 3-point range, and they made only 161 this season (about 4.5 per game). To compare, Indiana has made 211 and shoots 43 percent as a team from long distance.

“They have a couple things that stand out about them that make them really unique,” Crean said. “Certainly it is something we are partial to because we work really hard to get to the foul line, but I can’t remember a team that averages 30 free-throw attempts like they do. That is an incredible number.

“And they average almost 15 offensive rebounds, so they are relentless, aggressive. I’ve seem them over a period of time and they are a relentless team. An absolutely relentless team. They get guys that come from different parts of the country and they mesh into a very good team.”

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  • Ghost_of_Billy_Mays

     I say yes on the zone. I just watched the Louisiana Tech vs. New Mexico St. championship game. This team is a terrible three point shooting team. LTU went zone towards the middle of the first half for like three possessions, NMSU hit the side of the backboard on a three, airballed another and missed one. They scored 70% of their points off second chance opportunities.

    IU will definitely play zone but they will mix it up. IU rebounds in this game and play with toughness, we’ll win by double digits. LTU guards consistently got into the lane AND NMSU defense we’re leaving LTU guards open for threes. LTU hit a lot of threes the night before to beat #1 seed Nevada.

    Another thing, NMSU plays with size and athleticism against these smaller teams in their conference. They don’t play defense and are very lazy on the defensive end. IU will get into the lane at ease and get them in foul trouble.

    Just a couple of thoughts after watching that. I implore everyone to watch that game on ESPN 3, after 20 minutes…you know what kind of team they are.

  • Ghost_of_Billy_Mays

     I say yes on the zone. I just watched the Louisiana Tech vs. New Mexico St. championship game. This team is a terrible three point shooting team. LTU went zone towards the middle of the first half for like three possessions, NMSU hit the side of the backboard on a three, airballed another and missed one. They scored 70% of their points off second chance opportunities.

    IU will definitely play zone but they will mix it up. IU rebounds in this game and play with toughness, we’ll win by double digits. LTU guards consistently got into the lane AND NMSU defense we’re leaving LTU guards open for threes. LTU hit a lot of threes the night before to beat #1 seed Nevada.

    Another thing, NMSU plays with size and athleticism against these smaller teams in their conference. They don’t play defense and are very lazy on the defensive end. IU will get into the lane at ease and get them in foul trouble.

    Just a couple of thoughts after watching that. I implore everyone to watch that game on ESPN 3, after 20 minutes…you know what kind of team they are.

  • Beware the Tijan. His Spirit is everywhere.

  • Jmfriedman

    You have got that right.  On two of those drives we heard a distinct “slap” in our seats in the 7th row behind the bucket- from Taylor slapping down on Vic’s forearm.  Not a surprise he didn’t make the shots.  Still amazes me they didn’t call any fouls on those.  It was some of the most obvious fouls I have seen in a while.  In the tournament those will be called each and every time.  Go to the hole Vic, go to the hole…

  • Jmfriedman

    It won’t be neutral court.  IU fans will outnumber NMSU fans 4 – 1.

  • I’m going to make this simple. Keep VO from making stupid acrobatic layups and just put the ball in the bucket, CWat plays like he has been and Zeller needs to just man up a little and start rebounding and we’ll be fine. We all know we can run and score, we just have to play smarter.

  • Remy Willing and Abell

    Exactly , what do you think UNMS is thinking …” Oh sh#t Indiana has beaten 3 top 5 teams this year . ” . It’s up to da boyz to go out there and play they’re game and handle business . Plain and simple . 

  • Remy Willing and Abell

    Exactly , what do you think UNMS is thinking …” Oh sh#t Indiana has beaten 3 top 5 teams this year . ” . It’s up to da boyz to go out there and play they’re game and handle business . Plain and simple . 

  • CH

    As much as I love these guys this team has been pretty inconsistent. We can talk strategy for the next three days but we just have to wait to see which Hoosier team shows up. The good Hoosiers (UK, OSU, MSU, PUke twice) are very capable of a final four. The bad Hoosiers ( Minn, Neb. ) could easily get beat in the first game. Which team shows up?

  • Petefaggen

    How cool is it that the Hoosiers are dancing this year? I never expected this. What an opportunity — most specialists don’t give IU a chance. Perfect. Pick against IU in this round or the round of 32 (vs. Wichita State or VCU). They say the loss of Verdell will hurt the Hoosiers. I actually don’t disagree with that entirely. Verdell’s ballhandling would be a stablizing force…… but these pundits who keep on doubting the Hoosiers have stuck in their mind that IU can’t win away from Bloomington. I know we struggled in some games away from Assembly Hall, but improved toward the end of the season, especially winning at Purdue and Minnesota. … These yahoos like Gottlieb and Davis believe this mantra, but don’t want to admit that IU has been playing very good basketball of late. 

    I think what will propel IU past New Mexico State will be team defense and getting to the line. Ultimately, I think turnovers will decide this game. And if NMSU turns the ball over at that high rate, I expect the Hoosiers to be able to score in transition. Easy baskets.  I will be watching Hulls and Oladipo in this one for their ball handling and Sheehey and Watford, and maybe Oladipo for the defensive assignment on McKines. ….and NMSU doesn’t seem to have an answer for CZ!!! He will be ready to rumble.  NMSU is a hot team and they nearly beat Michigan State a few years ago in the NCAA. The Spartans were lucky to win that one in my opinion. So, I don’t think NMSU will be scared…. It is up to the Hoosiers to make them play scared….. Wish I could be at the Garden in Portland. From what I heard, a great facility. Let’s make the Rose Garden full of Hoosier Crimson!!!!!!

  • Bing

    Exactly, not sure how a 3-2 encourages shootin considering you cover the arc and give up the baseline. Just play your best game at this point, don’t get matchup crazy.

  •  I didn’t realize this statistic but thank you for posting it. We have some guys who can steal the hell out of the ball to. I just got through watching their last game on ESPN3 and they are a terrible outside shooting team so if we can just stay in front of them and block out we should have no problem but as we’ve seen before, we can play as good or as bad as anyone it just depends on which team shows up.

  • jayrig5

    That’s interesting. Didn’t realize that.  Also, Kansas is about to get very much acquainted with Eli Holman. That should be an interesting game.

  • JWB91

     The Aggies beat the New Mexico Lobos IN THE PIT in Albuquerque (one of the toughest places in the country for visiting teams to play), and the Lobos are ranked. Also, Menzies’ teams always seem to start the season slow but finish the season strong. The Hoosiers are deservedly the favored team, but the Aggies are one of those teams that are good enough to spring the upset.

  • oregoniu

    Ya think Windell is about 25 or 26 years old? Man amongs boyz I reckon.

  • Im001theon

    it’s a shame you can see the positive with this team…every team in the country can use that famous statement…..

  • HoosierFromCt

    Hahaha. well the kid is 2 years old and its a small soccer clinic where parents participate and help the kids. Sometimes it’s Doug, sometime its his wife. Doug is actually a pretty nice guy but I’ll still have to talk to him about his reasoning picking against IU…

  • oregoniu

    its not a 10 pm  game, thats EST. On the West Coast it will be 6:45pm. Using Bloomington time it will be 8:45pm. Hopefully the team will get out here and acclimate.

  • oregoniu

    I know this is a different IU team than the one at Vegas in 2010 but talking to the team as they tried to load the bus for the arena, they were not focused. It took the coaches about 45 minutes to load that bus, players were coming from everwhere, the other teams loaded in about 10 minutes. As I stood there with the IU faithful we were just left straching our heads. You could tell the team was not focused as they took the floor and Norhern Iowa took it to IU in a big way..

  • MillaRed

    Sounds like the best 13 seed in the history of the tournament!

  • MillaRed

    Sounds like the best 13 seed in the history of the tournament!

  • b_side

    Agreed.  Probably the most talented 15 seed in a long time.  Not sure what the spread is, but I’d take the points (if gambling were legal).

  • Naked Samurai

     Good God, IU will be lucky to keep these guys under 300 points.

  • SirEric

    if they are so freekin amazing, why have I never heard of this team or anyone on it until selection sunday?

  • SirEric

    Also, I don’t care how big the guys are, there is no way they are as talented and quick as Zeller. If you think this post scared us, it only made us laugh with how insanely biased you are being.

  • Kenneth234

    Seriously?  I am just 5 minutes into their last game against Louisian Tech, I have yet to see any team speed at any position.  Sure they  get rebounds, someone has to get them when there are 100 bricks being thrown up a game.  Sure they are big, but I have also not seen one spec of defense being displayed by either team.  Their gaurds are lazy with their hands.  The big center is about as unskilled as you will find in Div  1 hoops.  I think Hulls will be able to get any shot he wants, which tells me that with floor spacing anyone on our team will be able to find an open shot.  Zeller will kill them on the break, and there is no reason for them to press us.  We will get wide open shots all over the floor and we have plenty of guys who can bring the ball up.  They are certainly not pressing with their 4 or 5 guys, so their presse will be totally ineffective. 

  • Kenneth234

    Seriously?  I am just 5 minutes into their last game against Louisian Tech, I have yet to see any team speed at any position.  Sure they  get rebounds, someone has to get them when there are 100 bricks being thrown up a game.  Sure they are big, but I have also not seen one spec of defense being displayed by either team.  Their gaurds are lazy with their hands.  The big center is about as unskilled as you will find in Div  1 hoops.  I think Hulls will be able to get any shot he wants, which tells me that with floor spacing anyone on our team will be able to find an open shot.  Zeller will kill them on the break, and there is no reason for them to press us.  We will get wide open shots all over the floor and we have plenty of guys who can bring the ball up.  They are certainly not pressing with their 4 or 5 guys, so their presse will be totally ineffective. 

  • Kenneth234

    They are big…but only one of their bigs has a spec of skill.  If the defense that Louisiana Tech plays is any indication of the d they see on a regular basis that allowed for their sub 40% shooting on the season, then I would say that they are completely unprepared to play against a Big 10 team. 

    I do not think their gaurds will be able to penatrate, their bigs (outside of the top scorer) are extremely slow of foot and Cody will get them in so much foul trouble with drives and taking charges.  Their gaurds are not especially fast, let alone highly skilled with shooting or passing.  I say play man to man, and front Mckinnis with Sheehey, Oladipo, and Elston, and they don’t break 60 points. 

    If we have a better than avg shooting day, we win by 30 plus.

  • Kenneth234

    If it was a fight and not a basketball game, I may be concerned!

  • Kenneth234

    New Mexico St will not break 70.

  • SCHoosier

    Spirit..please cut off the head of a chicken..and poke out the eye of a Newt and offer a sacrifice. We need all the help we can get.

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  • Something I can’t believe that no one is talking about is how similar this is to the team that took the NCAA tourney stage as a 5 seed in 2002. Utah game anyone? 
    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=224000050

    – Freshman Big Man (JJ now Cody)
    – Freshman PG getting meaningful minutes out of nowhere (Perry now Remy)
    – Indiana Mr. Basketball small ‘unathletic’ guard (Coverdale now Hulls)
    – 4 seed now 5 seed
    – Playing out west
    – EVERYONE DOUBTING US

    Whats the lesson? Well we straight drained threes all tournament long! Played a mid major in the second round and had a very tough win. Let’s shoot the rock Jordy, Will, Cwat. Shoot the Aggies out of the gym. Sure they will get their 2 pointers, but we will be draining, mark my words. So many teams in the tourney will play slow posssion not to lose basketball. IU will have a little of that, but mark my words we will be playing our game – which is to score. And score we will. Look for a final similar to the UTAH game in 2002. 19 pt win.

  • It is done. The Cream of the eye of the newt and the Crimson of the chicken’s blood will appease the basketball gods and bless the Hoosiers. I asked Shane Battier. He said it is so.

  • Sherronhasaheadache

    i read it on ESPN.com yesterday. seems like all the so called experts are picking us to lose. not gonna happen against NMSU.

  • Michael D. Myers II

    I believe that Shooters words to Coach Dale are in order “make em’ chuck it from the cheap seats, no drive 12 foot in, that’ll do ya” so we play man focused on creating a cushion to neutralize the first step and beat NMS’s guards to that 12′ spot on the floor.  The rest of the story is boxing out and we move strong into the second round.

  • cooper

    All the posts about look who NMS has played or their conference blah blah blah seem to forget every year where a team comes from nowhere

    At this time of year who you’ve played or your RPI doesn’t matter. It’s about matchups an who gets hot. Stop comparing NMS to UK, or OSU because others can point to IU losing to Iowa or Nebraska

    I think IU will win but the arguments about look at the teams they’ve played and their conference are stupid.

  • cooper

    All the posts about look who NMS has played or their conference blah blah blah seem to forget every year where a team comes from nowhere

    At this time of year who you’ve played or your RPI doesn’t matter. It’s about matchups an who gets hot. Stop comparing NMS to UK, or OSU because others can point to IU losing to Iowa or Nebraska

    I think IU will win but the arguments about look at the teams they’ve played and their conference are stupid.

  • marcusgresham

    Holman may not be able to throw everything but the kitchen sink at you but he can definitely toss a potted plant your way.

  • marcusgresham

    Really?  It amazes you that Wisconsin was allowed to play prison-yard defense?  They’ve been doing that for years now.

  • marcusgresham

    I expect to hear a lot of “Zeller, again out ahead of everyone on the break.”  He’s going to run these guys ragged.

  • Daburns0

    It all depends on the sense of urgency IU comes out with.  By the way, we whipped the same Minn team three weeks ago.  The difference was, we came out ready to smack them.  Time will tell.

  • WhatsUpKnight

    i don’t think it’s stupid, but more a matter of putting all the facts on the table, the same way you pointed out that iu lost to a couple weak teams or that there’s a guaranteed cinderella every year.

    however, all facts aside, to me it’s real simple…if iu comes out sharp, playing the way they did against PUke, they’ll win regardless of who the real nm st is. if they come out flat, give up offensive rebounds, don’t get to loose balls, get in foul trouble, etc… they’ll have a long night (but i suspect, due to the talent mismatch, they’ll still have a great chance even if they’re not firing on all cylinders). 

  • WhatsUpKnight

    i don’t think it’s stupid, but more a matter of putting all the facts on the table, the same way you pointed out that iu lost to a couple weak teams or that there’s a guaranteed cinderella every year.

    however, all facts aside, to me it’s real simple…if iu comes out sharp, playing the way they did against PUke, they’ll win regardless of who the real nm st is. if they come out flat, give up offensive rebounds, don’t get to loose balls, get in foul trouble, etc… they’ll have a long night (but i suspect, due to the talent mismatch, they’ll still have a great chance even if they’re not firing on all cylinders). 

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Not sure why I am taking a beating. Hardwood said the seeding did us no favors.  My point is, if IU won a game they gave a way and another game in the BIG tourney they would be a #3.

    That is cut and dry.  I didn’t put the Hoosiers down, the fact is that they lie in the bed they made.

    I could care less if we are a #3, #4, or #5 seed.

    As I have said before, to be the best you have to beat the best.  I have no expectations of a NCAA National Championship this year, but I feel this program would be well served with a Sweet Sixteen appearance. I want them to win as badly as the next fan.

    Some of you guys are very sensitive and look to jump on any statement you might perceive as not being a rah rah statement.

    Who says I can’t see the positive?  My gosh, this team is 25-8.  In this same stream I said Lunardi needs to realize that this team beat 2 #1’s this year and a #2 along with several other tourney teams.

    I am an IU fan and a realist.  Better play gets you better seeds. But not once all year have I said this team has underachieved this season.

    Maybe some need to take a chill pill and see the positive in IU fans debating over a relevant program again and sharing viewpoints of success and expectations.

  • Oregoniu

    IMHO it is important for CTC to be with the team at all times on this trip and leave the smoozing for another time. In Vegas, I personally got the impression, rightly or wrongly, coach was splitting his time between others and the team. IU can make this run but they need everbody locked in on the IU  basketball team preparation and execution!! This is just an observation, but it was a first hand observation because I was there.

  • Stclairt

    True. It all depends onhow they decide to play. Against Wisconsin they didn’t appear to be concentrating on the outcome, only what each one was supposed to do. They lost. Against UK, OSU, and MSU they played with an Obie give and played as a team. They could be dominant or fold like all the ACC and SEC folks predict. Inane event, it was one of the most memorable years in IU basketball history, and it’s all gravy now.

  • Walt

    Who is your favorite team;? Not IU for sure. Their losses to Ishkabibley St. and the rest tell me your NMSt. not ready for prime time yet. And..should you come back to post how badly we will be beaten by Witchita St., remember, Illinois St. beat them recently in tournament. As long as our IU takes care of business, we will be playing Kentuck.

  • Walt

    Who is your favorite team;? Not IU for sure. Their losses to Ishkabibley St. and the rest tell me your NMSt. not ready for prime time yet. And..should you come back to post how badly we will be beaten by Witchita St., remember, Illinois St. beat them recently in tournament. As long as our IU takes care of business, we will be playing Kentuck.