The Minute After: Michigan

  • 02/01/2012 9:15 pm in

Thoughts on a 68-56 loss to the Wolverines:

Things did not start well in Ann Arbor this evening.

Indiana missed shots. It turned the ball over and allowed Michigan to have its way on offense. The Wolverines frustrated Cody Zeller down low. With 7:12 to go before half, the Hoosiers had only mustered eight points and were down 20. The road has not been kind to this team in Big Ten play. And here they were, struggling amidst the cheers of the opposing crowd once again. But Jordan Hulls came to play. He made threes; he made runners in the lane. And things began to settle. By half, the Hoosiers were (only) down 11 after turning the ball over on 29.9% of their possessions and lacking polish and poise for a long stretch before the break.

The second half began and Tom Crean made some changes. Out came Christian Watford from the starting lineup after only playing seven minutes in the first half. In came Derek Elston. In came Remy Abell for the injured Verdell Jones, Victor Oladipo for Will Sheehey. For the second straight game, Elston displayed how he’s capable of performing when he brings energy and focus (nine points on 3-of-4 shooting, two rebounds). He was key in keeping this one close in the second half. And when Crean inserted Watford back into the lineup, he rose to what was surely a challenge from his coach. He guarded Trey Burke well for a stretch, using his size to disrupt him. Hulls kept scoring (18 points, 6-of-12, 4-of-5 from three). Tim Hardaway Jr. was mostly inefficient on the offensive end for Michigan. And this game was well within reach for the Hoosiers.

But as we’ve seen of late on the road, the home team has executed when it matters and the Hoosiers have fallen flat. So after Watford split a pair of free throw to pull the Hoosiers within two (52-50) with 2:58 to go, that was as close as Indiana would get. Burke penetrated and dished to Hardaway, who made his second three (2-of-8) of the night. Michigan’s next possession was more of the same. Hardaway missed a lay-up, but Indiana allowed Jordan Morgan to snag an offensive rebound, similar to how the Hoosier let it slip away against Wisconsin late by giving up crucial rebounds to the opponent. Michigan ran some clock. Burke drove baseline on Abell and kicked to Hardaway Jr. in the left corner. He passed up to Stu Douglass on the left wing. Douglass drained a three. Indiana found itself down 58-50 with 1:47 to go and that was pretty much all she wrote, save for some desperation late fouling.

Another road loss for the Hoosiers. Another reminder that for all the improvements this team has showed from this season to last, winning on the road in the Big Ten remains an elusive proposition.

SOME NUMBERS

+ For the game, Indiana turned the ball over on 24.1% of its possessions (14 total). Michigan converted these miscues into 17 points. That’s 25 percent of the Wolverines’ points right there.

+ While Indiana allowed a key offensive rebound late in the game to Michigan, it actually did a great job containing the Wolverines there for most of the contest. Michigan only recorded three offensive rebounds the entire game (12.0 OR%). (Though, Michigan’s offensive rebounding is not a strong suit.)

+ Indiana had a below average night from beyond the arc, hitting just 5-of-14 (35.7%). If the Hoosiers fail to keep up their hot shooting from 3-point range, they’re going to need to find other ways to score.

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  • BCharles9295

    You’re right, 888, nobody has beaten U of M at home yet, and I’m not sure anyone will save for O$U.  Hopefully UM will pull that one off, too. 

    Unfortunately as the loss loomed closer (around the 2-3 minute mark of the second half), I finally had to accept IU will not be contending for the Big Ten title barring stellar play and a complete implosion of UW, O$U, MSU & UM.  However, we can still hope for a finish in the top half, which goes well beyond preseason expectations (and anyone saying that’s not is lying). 

  • BCharles9295

    Right on.  All this talk about firing CTC in other posts is out of control.  While some may disagree with his decisions, it can safely be said he knows this team way better than anyone here– including myself.

    Disclaimer: all losses suck…

    However, there has only been one bad (read: game IU lost that it shouldn’t) ROAD loss, and that was to Nebraska.  Does anyone really believe IU would win THIS YEAR at MSU, O$U, UW, or UM?  I don’t like last night’s loss any better, but there is still a way to salvage the season for a more than respectable finish to the conference. 

    I will be upset should IU drop the games at Iowa & PU– these are in both cases very winnable.

  • BCharles9295

    I saw this continuation nonsense happen in one of Illinois’ games, something like a charge was called either before or after the ball went through the hoop.  Whatever it was it seemed like it should have been a foul before the shot which shouldn’t have counted.  Somehow it did and even though IU wasn’t even playing I thought it was wrong and consummate home-cookin’.  Don’t even get me started about the latest trend of reversing calls that consistently has left IU holding the bag. 

  • BCharles9295

    I saw this continuation nonsense happen in one of Illinois’ games, something like a charge was called either before or after the ball went through the hoop.  Whatever it was it seemed like it should have been a foul before the shot which shouldn’t have counted.  Somehow it did and even though IU wasn’t even playing I thought it was wrong and consummate home-cookin’.  Don’t even get me started about the latest trend of reversing calls that consistently has left IU holding the bag. 

  • I’m sorry if this rubs a few people the wrong way but its how I feel. At some point we have to start placing the blame for these losses on the coach. We won a few big games and showed how our team is capable of playing but when you return to a terrible team I’m sorry but it is the coaches fault. I’m so tired of people sticking up for him just because he has all the right things to say after a loss. He is not getting the most out of these players as we have all seen what they are capable of. CTC is a great recruiter which is exactly what he should be, a recruiter, and let an actual coach do the coaching.

  • MillaRed

    Some of the bashing goes overboard after a loss. Mobs can be fickle. But there are trends that have been a concern from day 1. I am assuming, much like many others ITH, you watch other DI college basketball games? Right?

    With that being the case, let me ask you a question,

    How many coaches would let a team get outscored 13-0 on the road without calling a timeout?

    I have your answer. I could watch 300 games and maybe not see this. Am I bashing? No I am not. What I am saying is, Coach is very set in his ways. And they are unique ways. When your methods are unlike the norm, and result in close losses, there are going to be questions. And that is basically what you are seeing today. Questions.

  • Because he needs to be IU’s recruiter and we get an actual coach in here. People have to eventually start putting the blame on CTC for all these losses. We how this team can play and CTC does not bring out the best in these players. I love this team just not it’s coach.

  • HoosierHawk

    I want to know how we were not able to exploit our size advantage, particularly at the 4? They play essentially 4 guards.

  • CemDinc

    Saying that not using TO’s is the direct cause of close losses, and presenting that as a fact, without also mentioning any other factors (for example, any player-related mistakes / issues that might happen during these close losses?), is, in my humble opinion, very misguided.

    Now, maybe I am misinterpreting what you’re saying. But, to me, there are a multitude or reasons why teams lose close games. You can count any number of things after a given game and as a whole it adds up to a loss. TO usage might be one of them, but it is only a portion of many other reasons as to why we can’t win these close games, again in my opinion.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    CTC still hasn’t missed a defensive rotation,or an open shot all year..CTC has gotten the best out of a bunch of unathlectic kids.

    CWat – Slow, has trouble getting his own shot.
    Depo – Can’t finish or dribble well with left hand,so the B1G plays him left to force jumpers.
    Hulls –  Extra slow ,needs hugs,only shots well in non-pressure moments,Mr Basketball!?!
    Zeller – Has to adjust to the physical play of B1G,finesse game is a blocked shot  #refs 
    VJ3  –  IU top 25 all time in points scored 
    Sheehey – best all around player having a bad stretch of games

    We have to show support and wins will come.
    The coach bashing is very funny…note to IU fans we are no longer an elite program look
    at the coaches that were in the mix when Crean was hired…who is ready to take on us!?!

  • Kokomo_Joe

    He also left CZ on the bench at Wisc from about 6 minutes to 1 min with 4 fouls.  Sure, get him out until 3 or 4 min left to go and then put your best player back in the game.

    That was an inexusable CTC move.

    The loss at Nebraska, this team was up by 13 with about 7 min to go and collapsed.  Sure the team played poorly, but CTC’s job is to put the right mix in when other are not getting it done.  Only he controls who is on the floor.

    So glad to see him bring the bench in last night.  That move allowed us to have a chance and helped send a message that should have been sent 3 weeks ago at OSU when they never got off the bus.

    This team and CTC have to improve now.  We can have greater talent next year, but with a 1-21 conference road record the last 22 games, will greater talent equal a 5-4 record on the road in conference?  at this point, not a chance.

    We will never be better than .500 in the Big 10 if we do not get some guards who can defend for 40 minutes.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    True, but 7-0 is better than 13-0.

    Kudos to CTC for making adjustments to help the team get back in the game.

    This team needs a wake up call.  WS was bad; VJ appears to be hurt.  Remy showed why he has needed more PT all year.  The kid gets in your face defensively.  Even if he gets beat it isn’t a blow by like we see with Hulls or VJ where they are left standing 10 feet out as their man scores; Remy will at least ride their hip the whole way.

    At the same time, I feel the players are losing faith in CTC and themselves, this is not a good combination.

    This team has lost ists swagger.

    CTC can motivate, but at times he has random thoughts and points which I feel could lose a team’s trust in him.  You know in practice he probably makes threats to the starters to A) get cody the ball and B) the guys on the bench want to play too.

    Until last night, we really haven’t seen much of anything different in benchings and this team is now 2-6 in its last 8 games.

    That type of postering by a coach with little action can reduce the cohesiveness of a young team.

    Guys like Remy, AE, DE, TP, DM, etc are the ones playing second string and scout team.  When they have limited minutes and the starters aren’t being consistent, things began to get a bit frustrating as the season grinds on.  This type of thing happens on every team in America.

    I hope CTC’s message to play reserves that he committed to in the game last night remains the same and these starters can sit.

  • Kokomo_Joe

    VJ said that CW was not the option; IU needed 2 points.  Sure a screen was set 70 feet from the basket by CZ; he was to be the trailer.

    VJ was to penetrate the lane and kick out to a shooter; I believe it was VO who was cutting baseline to the hoop.

    The play worked out, but CW was not the option because we only needed 2 points.

    CTC told the SR VJ, “Go be a SR and win this game.”

    Yep, the same VJ who dribbles with his head down into trouble.

    Broken plays can have a positive outcome from time to time, thus the UK win.

    Alford was a set shooter/catch and shoot guy too.  Seemed like he got a lot of open shots from running off screens catching the ball
    then shooting.

    Every shooter in America is better when they are wide open or shooting uncontested.

    Set a screen or series of screens for Roth or Hulls and get them that 1 second look they need to set their feet and not get their shot blocked.  It is a rather simple concept, been around for 100 years.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Team is not talented enough period

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Mich is undefeated at home..who had this game as a win in preseason?

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Mich is undefeated at home..who had this game as a win in preseason?

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Not a very good point; 17-6 is exactly where we should be for people who thought we would win 21 games or so; many of us did.
     
    I am not relaxing because this team was 15-1; they are now 17-6 which means 2-5 in the last 7 and a tough road game this weekend.

    There is no relaxing when this coach is 1-21 on the road in conference the last couple years and this team is not bringing the energy level or execution necessary to win at home, let alone on the road. 

  • IUMIKE1

     Exactly what I have been thinking of lately when it comes to our time out strategy. Big Crean supporter but not a big supporter of his time out usage espicially at the beginning of last night’s game.  Tubby never let us run off more than 5 unanswered points before he called a time out. Maybe luck maybe not….. but they did win the game

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Tubby outcoached CTC, as did Bo Ryan, Izzo, Beiline, Matta.

    I am calling BS to this road stuff.  We beat OSU by 3 or so at home and get blown out oat OSU.  We beat Mich by a few at home and lose by 12 on the road.

    Neither of these teams are particularly old, yet the play well enough on the road to keep the game very close.

    But, we cant keep a game within 1 possession on the road like these teams can.

    It comes down to the players and coaching.

    IMO there is enough talent here to play and win on the road, so from there may blame is placed more squarely on CTC.

    Disfunction usually starts at the top and lord knows we do not have very good O or D systems in place.

    Anyone care to share what type of offense CTC runs?

    Spare the dribble drive as an answer.  Motion? Flex?  Wheel? Triangle? High/Low? Double High Post? Princeton?

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Who says we were suppose to lose?

  • Kokomo_Joe

    Than I want the 18-21 year olds who play at UK, Syracuse, MSU, OSU, Wisc, UNC, Duke, Kansas, etc because there doesn’t seem to be too many excuses made for them.

    or, is it the players at all?

    Wow, these programs have great coaches.

  • IUMIKE1

    Sorry it wouldn’t count it the second, third, fourth or fifth time I hit the like button. I’m sorry but if those two can’t figure out why they find themselves open behind the arc so much then Crean needs to tell them why or if he wants I would be glad to them personally instead of yelling it at the TV each game.

  • calbert40

    Agreed.  It isn’t like UM is a lousy team.  They are undefeated at home for a reason!  UM is a rough matchup for us due to their ability to have multiple players drive to the hole.  Our biggest team weakness is containing penetration, IMO.  UM may be the best team in the B1G at that.

    They started off very poorly, but after the first 10 minutes of the game, IU completely outplayed UM…until we had to start fouling.  And credit them for hitting their FTs in crunch time. 

    Whether some want to accept it or not, this team is very inexperienced at winning those types of games.  I see the improvement, but we just aren’t there yet.  I hope we get there soon, because I’m ready to notch some road Ws.  Saturday would be a good time to start.

  • calbert40

    The CTC bashing does get old, but I think we need to distinguish between the bashers and those who have a reasonable and legitimate concern for the way CTC does a particular item.

    The bashers (and we don’t have to name them, b/c we know who they are) lurk after every loss and fill the board with stuff like “CTC is a terrible X and O coach,” or “CTC couldn’t run an out of bounds play if his life depended on it.”  Of course, they are entitled to their opinion, regardless of how annoying they can be.

    I think CTC has done way more with this team than any of us thought was possible this season.  We won early and big and it inflated expectations.  I believe we will end up about .500 in B1G and have 21-23 wins and make the NCAAs.  I’m pretty happy about the overall direction of this team.

    That said, we all have things we disagree with CTC about, and the reasonable dissension doesn’t bother me regardless of whether I agree with them or not.

  • CemDinc

    I’m fine with talking about Crean’s shortcomings or mistakes or whatever as well, as long as it’s not all about CTC after every loss. If it’s a part of an overall discussion on what went wrong after a defeat, including player mistakes or poor performances, etc. then I’m good, but I think pinning a loss almost entirely on one person (be it CTC or VJIII or whoever) in a team sport is crazy…

  • calbert40

    I hear you, and I am inclined to agree.  When UM went up 7-0, I said “TO,” out loud in my living room!  However, if you watch his post game interview, he said he didn’t think the TO would help, b/c of the mistakes they were making.  I don’t know if I agree with that or not, but that was his reasoning.

    Personally, I think taking a TO that early on the road can hurt you later in the game, but one could argue that letting the team get a 13-0 lead is equally harmful.  I think the team put its coach in a bad situation last night, and he responded by sitting some players.

    My biggest issue with CTC has been his loyalty to players.  I think he may have turned a corner last night!!

  • calbert40

    I hear you, and I am inclined to agree.  When UM went up 7-0, I said “TO,” out loud in my living room!  However, if you watch his post game interview, he said he didn’t think the TO would help, b/c of the mistakes they were making.  I don’t know if I agree with that or not, but that was his reasoning.

    Personally, I think taking a TO that early on the road can hurt you later in the game, but one could argue that letting the team get a 13-0 lead is equally harmful.  I think the team put its coach in a bad situation last night, and he responded by sitting some players.

    My biggest issue with CTC has been his loyalty to players.  I think he may have turned a corner last night!!

  • CemDinc

    Kokomo: ” this team is not bringing the energy level or execution necessay to win at home…”

    Last I checked, we’re 13-1 at home this year. Stay positive! No need to become myopic b/c we’re battling a tough stretch here on the road. Anyone who would deny the team’s progess this year is crazy; they’re not a finished product yet, but with the talent coming in next season and beyond, it’s only going to get better.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Vegas had us as underdogs…they are usually right.  I don’t particularly agree that we “should” have lost but we were slight underdogs.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Vegas had us as underdogs…they are usually right.  I don’t particularly agree that we “should” have lost but we were slight underdogs.

  • robhoosier

    I don’ think it has much do to with crean’s coaching. Look at how close we are in these road games. With the talent coming in, trust me, these close losses will turn into wins

  • catronhoosier

    I agree with that.  If i was coaching i would have called a timeout.  My main point was that i see people pointing out something such as not calling a timeout at that point, no shot after out of bounds, etc.  and running with it to where it becomes Crean is not a good coach, which is complete opposite of the truth. and Not calling a timeout 4 minutes into a game is by no means the deciding factor in a loss.

  • Ghost of Billy Mays

    IU might not of shut Burke down all game but from the 10 min mark til late in the second half he was pretty much shut down. Oladipo and Watford did a great job making him pass the ball and keeping him out of the lane until 6-7 min. left in second half.

    IU still didn’t make the plays to win though. @ 52-49 Watford hits 1-2 then after Hardaway hits a three …Elston misses the front end on a 1-1 that followed by Douglas nailing another three to push the game to 58-50. That was the key moment late in the game regardless of how IU started…Have to do the little things to win on the road.

  • catronhoosier

    You could not be more wrong.  We struggle stopping guards and have all year.  The reason for that is because we only have 1 guy who can lock down a pentrating guard.  How in the world is it Creans fault that Hulls and VJII can’t stop guards, and when you can’t stop guys from getting in the lane with one guy other guys have to leave there man and help out, and then you leave 3 point shooters open…. that is why we have lost these games… not because Crean is a bad coach.  And i know what people will say, “well if remy played more then him and Oladipo could lock down the other teams guards”  Sorry that won’t work for the whole game because neither of those guys are offensive threats shooting the ball.  So as a team we have to pick our poison.

    Take a look back at the second half of the kentucky game.  UK’s guards finally realized that they could easily get around Hulls and VJIII and they brought the game back and eventually took the lead.  It has been adn will be a problem for this team, watch, this weekend Jackson will probably have a big game for Purdue, but i think we still win because they have absolutely zero post prescence and we are avutally more athletic than them as a team. 

  • catronhoosier

    I comepletely agree, these close road games are more of a testement of how unathletic some of our main players are and certain lack of talent else where. With the studs coming next year we will be a very tough team to beat

  • catronhoosier

    i agree that was the biggest moment of the game. I know you can’t say this but i truly feel that if we go 4-4 on those freethrows we win the game.  I’m a big believer in momentum being huge for college basketball and that was a huge swing

  • Sherronhasaheadache

    who thinks we have chance to win @iowa or minny?  9-9 in the league and 1 and done in the NCAA if we make it sounds about right. probably going to play that 8-9 game and no its not in assembly hall…. were toast.

  • calbert40

    They do set screens for those guys.  They even run double screens for them.  My point is that Jordy is not the guy who rubs off a screen, catches and shoots in one motion.  You gotta get them open, but they aren’t that type of shooter.  I would like to see more off-ball screens set, though.

  • calbert40

    Eventually!  A lot of you have been blaming him for 2 years!  I couldn’t disagree with you more.  CTC has gotten more out of this team than I think was reasonable to expect.  Sure, the recent losses suck, but I’m confident they can turn it around.  There is a reason that every basketball analyst in America was shocked when IU landed CTC.  They all couldn’t believe a coach of his ability would come to IU during that time. 

  • SCHoosier

    It’s the WAY they lost….

  • SCHoosier

    It’s the WAY they lost….

  • SCHoosier

    The Hardaway three was the turningn point and a gift from Elston..who generally played well. Burke was driving in from right corner..got by his defender..Cody was there to block his path..for some reason..Elston thought he had to leave his area to support Cody..that left the corner all to Hardaway..who is shooting about 20-something percent from 3. Had Derrick stayed home..may a different story..point is..he does that once or twice a game..gets caught up in following the ball and forgets his asigned area and/or man. Stuff happens I guess.

  • SCHoosier

    U tellin me those aren’t the same problem that bigged IU for the last 3 years..now with a much higher talent level..we’re still having the same issues on a regular basis. That does not compute…these kids are not ready to play on too many occasions.

  • SCHoosier

    I think they clipped some of Wills b-ball IQ when they cut his hair):

  • calbert40

    I do! 

  • Dick_Pepperfield

    By “per-determined” I mean that the home team is going to win probably 80% of the games in the Big Ten weather or not the are the better team. I am not pointing out any specific calls but all of the calls put together prevent a road team from establishing any kind of rhythm. The home team dictates everything. Which would be normal if it happened occasionally but it happens every single night in the Big Ten. You are going to tell me that Indiana can score 107 Sunday at home and 113 combined in its last 2 road games? Bulls**t. We are not that bad. Zeller got murdered by that beast guarding him last night 2 different times early in the game and there was no call, preventing Zeller from establishing himself. If that cromagnon man is allowed to hack the crap out of him he is forced to change his game. Period. Again no one single call killed Indiana but a series of calls allowing the home team to establish the way it wants to play. 

    This is probably over the head for most of the armchair coaches on this site telling Crean he needs to do this or that. Oh I am sorry, that must be why he is the head coach of a Big Ten team while you are on a website telling people how to coach.

  • Dick_Pepperfield

    By “per-determined” I mean that the home team is going to win probably 80% of the games in the Big Ten weather or not the are the better team. I am not pointing out any specific calls but mainly non-calls that prevent a road team from establishing any kind of rhythm. The home team dictates everything. Which would be normal if it happened occasionally but it happens every single night in the Big Ten. You are going to tell me that Indiana can score 107 Sunday at home and 113 combined in its last 2 road games? Bulls**t. We are not that bad. Zeller got murdered by that beast guarding him last night 2 different times early in the game and there was no call, preventing Zeller from establishing himself. If that cro-magnon man is allowed to hack the crap out of him he is forced to change his game. Period.

    Indiana gets these same calls when we play at home. It ruins the game. Which is my point, why watch the games when I already know what is going to happen? I can already tell you Indiana will lose to Purdue Saturday, so why the reast of you who criticize my post sit and watch the game and hope that IU can somehow pull it out I have already accepted the fact that we will lose simply because we are the road team. You guys go ahead and waste your time breaking down game film like Ron Jaworski trying to figure out why IU lost, Ill tell you why we lost. Because we were on the road in the Big Ten. Period. End of story.

    Which is why I stated in my earlier post. Lets get on with the big dance so I can see what we are truly made of becasue we are learning nothing by playing in the Ref Ten.

    This is probably over the head for most of the armchair coaches on this site telling Crean he needs to do this or that. Oh I am sorry, that must be why he is the head coach of a Big Ten team while you are on a website telling people how to coach.

  • Dick_Pepperfield

    By “per-determined” I mean that the home team is going to win probably 80% of the games in the Big Ten weather or not the are the better team. I am not pointing out any specific calls but mainly non-calls that prevent a road team from establishing any kind of rhythm. The home team dictates everything. Which would be normal if it happened occasionally but it happens every single night in the Big Ten. You are going to tell me that Indiana can score 107 Sunday at home and 113 combined in its last 2 road games? Bulls**t. We are not that bad. Zeller got murdered by that beast guarding him last night 2 different times early in the game and there was no call, preventing Zeller from establishing himself. If that cro-magnon man is allowed to hack the crap out of him he is forced to change his game. Period.

    Indiana gets these same calls when we play at home. It ruins the game. Which is my point, why watch the games when I already know what is going to happen? I can already tell you Indiana will lose to Purdue Saturday, so why the reast of you who criticize my post sit and watch the game and hope that IU can somehow pull it out I have already accepted the fact that we will lose simply because we are the road team. You guys go ahead and waste your time breaking down game film like Ron Jaworski trying to figure out why IU lost, Ill tell you why we lost. Because we were on the road in the Big Ten. Period. End of story.

    Which is why I stated in my earlier post. Lets get on with the big dance so I can see what we are truly made of becasue we are learning nothing by playing in the Ref Ten.

    This is probably over the head for most of the armchair coaches on this site telling Crean he needs to do this or that. Oh I am sorry, that must be why he is the head coach of a Big Ten team while you are on a website telling people how to coach.

  • Dick_Pepperfield

    It wasn’t. He was trying to get into position, Green had a clear route to the hoop. If you saw the highlights on ESPN it was the call where Green went apes**t on his way back to the huddle after the TV timeout

  • Dick_Pepperfield

    I am talking about non-calls that let the home team establish and dictate the way the game is played