The Minute After: Michigan State

  • 12/28/2011 10:36 pm in

Thoughts on Indiana’s 80-65 loss to Michigan State:

Welcome to life on the road in the Big Ten against a strong defense.

What has come so easy for the Hoosiers on offense this season crumbled for long stretches up in East Lansing this evening.

Michigan State’s defense took the Hoosiers out of their comfort zone early. Their length and on-ball defense didn’t allow Indiana any breathing room. The Spartans were blocking mid-range and perimeter shots. The Hoosiers were unable to drive, unable to get the ball inside to Cody Zeller with MSU’s hands stretched high and Adreian Payne fronting and bodying the freshman.

But this was a wild one with violent swings.

Indiana proceeded to go on a 25-2 run on the strength of defense, some transition buckets and 3-pointers. After knocking down a lot of shots in the first half, Michigan State didn’t score its first of the second half — a jumper by Draymond Green — until the 14:49 mark. Indiana, and specifically Christian Watford, was snagging every rebound in sight. With 11:07 to go, Watford hit a 3-pointer, and the Hoosiers were up nine. The Izzone was out of it; Indiana was flying high.

But then it started to slip away. Michigan State’s D turned it up again. And Indiana’s offense went back to struggling to get anything going in the half court. It was passes around the perimeter as the shot clock ticked away. Derek Elston came into the game. He drew only backboard on a shot, committed a foul and turned the ball over. He was promptly yanked.

And then the Spartans started dominating the inside. Derrick Nix was stellar off the bench, scoring 14 points on 6-of-9 shooting. He had his way with Zeller. Payne got his buckets over the final minutes, too. And combo guard freshman sophomore Keith Appling was sensational on both sides of the ball — he had an incredible block on a Victor Oladipo fast-break lay-up — in what ended on a 35-11 run by the Spartans to close this one out. Peep this line for Appling: 25 points (7-of-12, 2-of-4 from three, 9-of-10 from the line), seven assists and six rebounds.

This one was closer than the 15-point spread it ended up at. Indiana showed much resolve in punching back and going up nine. But alas, it was a 16th straight road loss in the Big Ten for the Hoosiers. They’re now 1-27 on the road in conference play under Tom Crean.

And things don’t get any easier with the Buckeyes coming to Bloomington on Saturday. Big Ten basketball is back. And it’s unforgiving.

OTHER THOUGHTS:

+ Hell of an effort from Watford tonight. You could see the fire in his eyes from the onset and it carried through all game. His work on the boards early in the second half was particularly impressive. For the night he finished with 26 points (9-of-16, 4-of-6 from three, 4-of-6 from the line) and 10 rebounds. He’s often been derided for his lack of effort and focus for a full 40 minutes. (He himself has been part of the chorus there.) But if he can bring an effort like tonight throughout the Big Ten season — and frankly, this team is really going to need him to at times — Indiana will be in good shape the rest of the way.

+ Jordan Hulls is one of the best shooters in the country. Has been for some time now. But when the Hoosiers run up against a team that takes them out of what they’re trying to do in the halfcourt offense, one that has size and length, it’s sometimes difficult for him to be effective. Hulls missed all four 3-pointers he took this evening and was just 2-of-10 from the field. (Though, he did miss a few open looks; so perhaps it was just an off-night in general for the junior.)

+ Don’t think I’m alone in this next statement: This was by far Zeller’s worst game of the season. Michigan State’s bigs outmuscled him all evening. He got in foul trouble. And he generally just didn’t have much, if any, impact on the game (four points on back-to-back buckets early in the second half, three rebounds). He only had four field goal attempts. The freshman has an incredible skillset for his age and a maturity beyond his years. But at only 19 years of age, he’s still growing and getting stronger. And there’s going to be nights like this in the Big Ten, when, for all his talent, his lack of strength is going to be exploited.

+ A few parting numbers: Indiana got crushed at the foul line. The Hoosiers only took nine and made just five. The Spartans got to the line 22 times and made 17 of them. At one point in the second half, Indiana was dominating the boards, sporting a 40.o OR% and a 78.3 DR%. But by the time the dust settled on Michigan State’s final run — one in which they started rebounding better — the final tallies were pretty close. Indiana finished with a 31.0 OR%; Michigan State ended the game with a 28.6 OR%. The Hoosiers closed out the game with a 71.4 DR%; the Spartans weren’t far behind at 69.0 percent.

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  • Anonymous

    One minor correction…I believe Mr Knight waited until 1993 to retire from coaching…

  • RGHann

    The good and the bad… Indiana should have won this one. No excuses. They battled hard but they lost a game they should have won.

  • CreamandCrimson

    IU went on a 25-2 run….unacceptable.  Izzo can’t coach and was poor in that game. 

    Glad you are here to make sure we understand what “realistic” looks like Stonaroni.  If anyone couldn’t pick up my sarcasm, trust me, it’s here.

    I am not saying you are wrong…CTC wasn’t good tonight.  You said the three pointers by Roth weren’t in the game plan and the fast break buckets by VO and VJIII weren’t in the game plan.  You know what else isn’t in the game plan?  3 rebounds by Zeller.  Hulls going 2-10 and missing two wide open 3’s.   My point is…basketball is won and lost as a team.  CTC is responsible for this loss.  So are Hulls and Pritchard and Remy and VJIII and Zeller and VO and Watford.  They were also responsible for the 12-0 start and will be responsible for several Big Ten wins to come. 

    I respect your opinion and comments and knowledge.  But please don’t act like we are a bunch of blind fanatics that believe CTC walks on water and is the greatest thing this side of John Wooden.  We understand what coaching is and don’t need you to tell us it’s more than standing on the sideline with pom poms.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Seriously?  

  • CreamandCrimson

    I won’t speak for everyone on ITH but in my opinion, this kind of post has no place here.  Elston didn’t lose this game for IU by himself.  It’s a cliche but true, you win and lose as a team. 

    He didn’t play well but neither did Hulls or Zeller, should we flush them out too?  You can get your point across without wishing a player gets flushed out.  

  • CreamandCrimson

    I won’t speak for everyone on ITH but in my opinion, this kind of post has no place here.  Elston didn’t lose this game for IU by himself.  It’s a cliche but true, you win and lose as a team. 

    He didn’t play well but neither did Hulls or Zeller, should we flush them out too?  You can get your point across without wishing a player gets flushed out.  

  • CreamandCrimson

    Calm down…I think.  Really hard to read what you are talking about but I am pretty sure you wrote that most of us are idiots, Verdell thinks it’s all about him and coaches today aren’t worried about the “intrigue of the game”? 

     

  • Brklynhoosier

    Ha ha!  Brilliant parody of a fan who’s insanely blind to the strengths and weaknesses of his team — I couldn’t stop laughing…  Seriously, dude, you should contact Letterman.  W/ material like this, you should be getting CA$H MONEY.

  • Anonymous

    My rant truly isn’t about winning/losing because of the refs. Not even imbalance in calls.

    It’s purely that these older, veteran refs think they run the games and truly ruin the enjoyment of watching them.

    They are there to observe and keep the game played within the rules, not control it or momentum. Thats the end. Period.

    I true great ref shouldn’t have the fans even notice he is there, but with Valentine, and Burr, and Hightower flailing and dancing and making these demonstrative motions when calling fouls, I can’t help but notice what fools they are.

  • NervousWreck

    IU blew that game last night.  Up 9 with 10 mins left.  They were beating them just like they were beating Kentucky – without forcing things to Zeller, attacking on offense and defense, and staying in rhythm.  Hulls played awful – so did Elston.  Sheehey being injured didn’t help.  But that didn’t matter!  Even with those things happening IU had the game and completely blew it.  Almost as if they were shell shocked being up 9 and stopped playing.  Just a tough thing to watch – but something to learn from.  I’ll bank on them winning by double figures when MSU comes to Bloomington.  Now, you have to regroup for OSU on Saturday!  

  • Anonymous

    This game was frustrating to watch.  I have little to add that hasn’t already been said.  I wasn’t hopeful they would win given no win in the Breslin Center since 1991, but hopefully it serves as the wakeup call it was. 

    Most importantly, keep your chins up Hoosiers and exact your revenge when they come back to Assembly Hall.  Even though O$U is leet and all, I thought even before last night a win at home vs the Buckeyes was more likely.  And I still think the Hoosiers will prevail on 12/31/11.   

  • INUnivHoosier

    That is the VJ3 I’ve been waiting to see.

  • INUnivHoosier

    That is the VJ3 I’ve been waiting to see.

  • eph521

    Do what makes you happy. I think the glass is still half-full and my comments will reflect that optimism. That doesn’t mean I don’t see room for improvement.

    Yes, Crean can improve as an in-game coach. The players, including Zeller, have plenty of room for improvement.

    You know what? The same can be said for many of the posters on this blog – there is room for improvement.

    I don’t mind legitimate criticism of the team and Crean, but honestly, I’m embarassed by some of the comments I’ve seen in response to us losing the game to MSU. Amazing.

  • Tolly1

    Here’s my observation. Jordy had an off night which is a big part of the loss. It happens, but not very often with him so we have good things to look forward to. Cody got pushed around but when he tried to push back they called a foul….oh Valentine was on of the refs? CWat and Verdell played with a lot of heart. Victor played very well but didnt seem like his firery self at times maybe he wasnt feeling well.  AND most importantly we were pushing the ball on our awesome 27 point turn around and then we went into the stall????? What was that? We should’ve finished them? Crean got to0 conservative thinking we would draw fouls and beat em at the line instead we took bad shots as the shot clock ran out….. ugh  Dont worry this will light a fire for the OSU game.

  • Mister Slippery

    No need to overthink it, we won’t beat a lot of top 25 teams without production from Zeller, even if CWAT tears it up. He’ll be fine.

  • -15, I believe. Also believe Watford was -15, so I think that pretty much sums up the usefulness of single game +/-.

  • Tolly1

    Are you kidding me? It had nothing to do with Zeller. It was the style of play. The first half we tried to slow the game, we got are arses handed to us. Then we pushed the ball and went from 18 down to 9 up! Then for some unknow reason we slowed the ball which jams it up for Cody and forces bad shots by everyone. This team is not a “Wisconsin” type of team. Cody and everyone on the team thrives on a faster style of play. We were in the top ten in scoring because we pushed the ball, forced turnovers, and spread the entire floor with fresh legs in the game at all times.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, but if a player is having an off night would it not be wise to try a bench player like Remy who could drive.  I think he stuck by Hulls tonight a little to much, but I do want Hulls at point most games.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, but if a player is having an off night would it not be wise to try a bench player like Remy who could drive.  I think he stuck by Hulls tonight a little to much, but I do want Hulls at point most games.

  • SB_Hoosier

    I think some of this can certainly be pinned on the coaching, but I also think you could argue that a combination of lack of player effort, nervousness, not being ready, or whatever you want to call it is what lead to us being down 18 in the first half.  No effort on defense at all to start the game.  When we made the run at the end of the first half and into the second we were getting defensive stops and were able to run and get open looks before MSU set up (which has been our gameplan all season).  As soon as we lost the defensive momentum we were forced to play strictly in the half court and couldn’t.  I guess you could call this poor game planning in that we couldn’t score in the half court, but I think it’s more of not playing the defense we’ve been playing all season which leads to our offense.

  • dfitz

    Amen Brother!

  • CreamandCrimson

    Well said.  I too, have been surprised.  How many teams are going to win in East Lansing this season?  One, maybe two.  I know it sucks to lose but we are 12-1…better than anyone had imagined at this point. 

    It’s a constant update society and the line of thinking appears to be…”we aren’t playing very well tonight, we must not be very good and are going to lose a lot of games in the conference, 12-0 was a fluke” or “We look awesome tonight, we might be able to contend for a Big Ten title”.   It was disappointing but it’s not surprising and it was one game.

  • CrimsonKnight

    I agree with your CTC comments.  I was so disappoimted with our half court offense and all the cheerleading.  It’s time to rip some heads and coach like your salary and fans demand.   It was so typical of last year and the previous two seasons.  At this point, It seems to that CTC relies heavily on his recruits athletic ability and basktball IQ to overshadow his inability to coach in certain situations.  I love CTC but last night looked like the last three seasons in the half court and I am disgusted.    

    Cody had a tough night but no one will help him get off the sny.  I mean the angles that Jones and Hulls attemp are so anti-fundamental.  No screens to get him free.  He slips off the pick and roll but no one even looks for him.  If they do try to get him the ball, they drive in the lane drawing everyone in lane creating poor spacing and a tight passing window.  If I was Cody, I would be a little wary of the CTC offense right now.  He needs the ball eveytime.  he needs 10-15 attempts a game.  CTC has to relaize that. Rght?  He gets a few baskets and he feels good and it opens up the offense for everyone.  I’m as frustrated as Dickie V was in the UK game.  Feed the “Z”.  

  • Anonymous

    Great effort by Watford..other than that….): Fact is MSU was much better in both half court D and O. IU reverted to dribbling around the perimeter acting like it was the first time they had played with one another. Zeller is not going to get those easy under the bucket bunnies against B-10 teams..Crean must have him face the basket and show he can score that way.
    Hard to get to the foul line when the opposing D is so much quicker and tougher than your offense. Jones was able to get some shots..VO got nuetered except for one fast break bucket..Hulls just had a bad overall game against a quick defender. Crean’s half court schemes have not been effective ever at IU..lot of work to do there. Now look at the matchups against OSU and tell me you are gonna have a good day): Go Hoosiers.

  • Anonymous

    IU was pushing the ball during that run because MSU was MISSING  shots…and Wat did a good job on the boards. First half Sparties shot 56% and IU wasn’t forcing TO’s Rebounds and TO’s are what allow you to run…that first 6 minutes of the second h alf was the only time those oportunities presented themselves to the Hoosiers. As I said on an earlier post..anybody who can force IU into a half court game in the conference has a better than good chance to beat them. (sorry to say)

  • Anonymous

    IU was pushing the ball during that run because MSU was MISSING  shots…and Wat did a good job on the boards. First half Sparties shot 56% and IU wasn’t forcing TO’s Rebounds and TO’s are what allow you to run…that first 6 minutes of the second h alf was the only time those oportunities presented themselves to the Hoosiers. As I said on an earlier post..anybody who can force IU into a half court game in the conference has a better than good chance to beat them. (sorry to say)

  • Anonymous

    I totally agree about the match ups.  They were switching all night and we would get a great match up but then we would dribble or pass away from that match up and let them switch back.  Totally fustrating.  Those match ups are where you can get the fouls called.

  • Anonymous

    Elston reminds me a lot of Landon Turner.  For 2 1/2 years, he just didn’t seem to understand the game.  Then it finally clicked with him, and his play in the last half of the Big Ten season and the tournament was stellar.  Not saying this team has the upside potential of that one since it lacks a great point guard, but I think Elston finally figuring it out would be transformative for this team. 

  • Plane1972

    Yeah, how was the inadvertant trip Jordy had on Appling not a foul on the floor? They guy took 1 to 2 more steps before the ball left his hands. An amazing play on his part, but how does he go to the line for that? Is there a rule I’m unaware of?

    I was surprised that didn’t get any attention by the announcers or Crean.

  • Plane1972

    In hindsight, probably would not have been a terrible idea to have CZ just sit and watch the last 10 mins. of that game. Of course, we would have crucified Crean for not playing him, but our runs happened when he wasn’t on the court.

    He was completely ineffective on both ends. Not a criticism. He’s a freshman playing against men for the first time. He’ll learn and the film sessions will be productive going into OSU.

  • MillaRed

    Totally agree. The only thing worse than watching 4 straight possessions in utter offensive confusion was CTC not calling a timeout to do something about it. I’m sorry but this did not make any sense to me at all. Many coaches will call the TO on the first time they are wandering aimlessly.

    I will not fault Cody at all. This was the first real lesson he has received. Big Ten basketball is ugly. And when the officials allow that kind of contact when the ball is in your hands and whistle you for touch fouls on the other end it has to be really confusing.

    CWat is not a 4. He game is absolutely a small forward game. Therefore Cody is all alone down there in the paint on offense. Pritch and Elston are not the answer. Will Hanner be? Maybe as a sophomore. My point is, we need another skilled big and we need him right now.

  • Plane1972

    ABSOLUTELY! We really missed Will last night. [Sorry for all caps, just feeling particularly animated this morning.]

  • Plane1972

    ABSOLUTELY! We really missed Will last night. [Sorry for all caps, just feeling particularly animated this morning.]

  • Plane1972

    I also take some solace in the fact that so many of our guys played fairly bad and we still hung in there in one of the tougher places to play in the nation. I know, we are passed moral victories, but I have to take something positive out of last night. Too many negatives.

  • Gnrnabk1

    Because CTC is not a great adjustment coach in game.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed.  Something I noticed last night is that when we reversed the ball and Cody jumped from one side of the lane to the other, he could get good position, but wasn’t strong enough to maintain that position.  He was open most of the time when the wing 1st received the ball, but our wings stood there and looked at him while he struggled to maintain his position.  They held it for a couple seconds and Cody was rooted off the block.  I’d like to see a crisp pass to the post as soon as the wing touches the ball.  I trust that Cody will find the open man if double teamed.
     
    I’ve cursed Watford under my breath for what appeared to be lack of effort over the last couple of years.  I would like to publicly state that I think he has played extremely well in our 2 biggest games so far this season.  I was wrong, the man is a beast.
     
    GO HOOSIERS!
      

  • Gnrnabk1

    I agree Zeller is young but to me it was a lack of effort when you play bad defense and only contribute 3 rebounds to the team.  When his offense is not clicking, he has to contribute in other ways.  Getting in there and being a force on the glass would have helped the team considerably.  Also, I don’t think CTC is a good in game adjustment coach and it showed tonight.

  • HoosierSmitty

    Tough loss. I’m sober now, so maybe I’ll form a coherent thought or two this morning. 

    By the Numbers: 

    1 (on 1) – Izzo = master. Crean = apprentice. I don’t think it was a terrible game from a coaching perspective, but Izzo was clearly able to do what he wanted against IU on a more consistent basis. Some of that is personnel, some of that is game prep and Xs and Os. 

    #2 – Watford flat out brought it last night. He’s a mercurial player, but when he’s on, he can do just about anything. I hope we continue to see this type of effort from him during the B1G season. 

    2 (nd Half) – I continue to be impressed with the ability of this team to come out strong after halftime. It’s not easy to maintain momentum after halftime, but IU did. That’s definitely a credit to Crean and the players combined. As frustrated as I was with the play on the court at times, I’m becoming more of a believer in Crean’s X and O ability. That’s due in large to halftime adjustments or our play immediately after a timeout.  

    6 (on 5) – MSU was in our face defensively and it really seemed to frustrate the Hoosiers. It felt like they had an extra man on the floor defensively, especially at the outset. We were running our half court offense from darn near half court, whereas MSU was getting it rolling right at the top of the key. As a result, it was obviously easier for MSU to make passes, find angles, and attack the basket. 

    8 – When Jordan Hulls and Cody Zeller only score 8 combined points on 4-15 shooting, not much more needs to be said. 

    10 – I believe that was the number of assists on a night we made 27 baskets. I continue to be frustrated by this low assist total. To me, it signifies not enough ball movement, too much standing around, poor PG play. Yogi should help in 2012. 

    13 – That’s actually not a bad turnover number considering how tenacious MSU was and given how many of those probably came in the first 5-10 minutes of the game. 

    24 – The collapse from 9 point lead to 15 point defeat seemed lightning quick. It was just disappointing how quickly that lead vanished. 

    27 – It was a magical run in the middle of the game. And I was happy. The booze was flowing and I thought IU might just take control of this game. An 18 point deficit became a 9 point lead from the end of the 1st half through the first several minutes of the 2nd half. Bottle that inspired play up boys.  

    #30 – Matt Roth might well find a significant role on this team. IU was in desperate need of life and he provided it with those two massive 3s. Unfortunately, you can’t imagine OSU is going to forget about him.

    Keep the faith, Hoosiers!

  • MillaRed

    Looking back on this game (I haven’t watched it again yet, too soon) it really was a great measuring stick for where the team is from a national championship perspective.

    Jordy is what he is and I love the kid. But he is not a high level PG. The tools are not there. He cannot break you down or defend. Yogi is the key without a doubt. Cody was the answer for 2011, and Yogi 2012. They will be a devastating duo.

    Will and Vic at the 2 spot is an embarrassment of riches. Add The Buss and we do not have to worry about it. Championship type talent and depth.

    CWat at the 3 as a senior is enough to go deep in the tourney. But I don’t the 4 spot will be good enough until 2013. Insert Hollowell after a year to learn behind CWat and I think we are in very good shape.

    Watford is a very good small forward, but not a power forward at all. This team has bigger concerns for sure. But CWat at the 4 does not compliment Cody at all in this offense. If you think about it, they NEVER pass the ball to each other. Very frustrating. Hanner cannot be a bust. We need the traditional PF that can defend and rebound against the BT bigs.

    Cody will be an All-American. He is not a traditional center but that isn’t necessary. The fall off when he leaves the game is too much to overcome against an elite team. He is the centerpiece of a national championship run in 2013 & 2014.

    We need an All-Big Ten talent big to enter this equation in addition to Hanner. A backup PG will help too. The wings are more than covered. But after last night I realize a compliment to Cody down low is a huge key to our future.

  • MillaRed

    Looking back on this game (I haven’t watched it again yet, too soon) it really was a great measuring stick for where the team is from a national championship perspective.

    Jordy is what he is and I love the kid. But he is not a high level PG. The tools are not there. He cannot break you down or defend. Yogi is the key without a doubt. Cody was the answer for 2011, and Yogi 2012. They will be a devastating duo.

    Will and Vic at the 2 spot is an embarrassment of riches. Add The Buss and we do not have to worry about it. Championship type talent and depth.

    CWat at the 3 as a senior is enough to go deep in the tourney. But I don’t the 4 spot will be good enough until 2013. Insert Hollowell after a year to learn behind CWat and I think we are in very good shape.

    Watford is a very good small forward, but not a power forward at all. This team has bigger concerns for sure. But CWat at the 4 does not compliment Cody at all in this offense. If you think about it, they NEVER pass the ball to each other. Very frustrating. Hanner cannot be a bust. We need the traditional PF that can defend and rebound against the BT bigs.

    Cody will be an All-American. He is not a traditional center but that isn’t necessary. The fall off when he leaves the game is too much to overcome against an elite team. He is the centerpiece of a national championship run in 2013 & 2014.

    We need an All-Big Ten talent big to enter this equation in addition to Hanner. A backup PG will help too. The wings are more than covered. But after last night I realize a compliment to Cody down low is a huge key to our future.

  • Anonymous

    General observations: we can’t get smoked at the line like we did tonight, especially on the road, and win games.  We held our own on the boards against a bigger team, and I was pleased with that.  All in all, IU looked bad at the beginning, very good in the middle, and absolutely horrible at the end.  They withstood one run, but the 2nd one killed us.

    Zeller will get better, and I think this is a good lesson for him and the team.  Unlike in prior seasons, I believe this team will take this loss and improve from it.  No one likes to lose, but I doubt any of us thought we’d run the table in the Big Ten.

  • KnightEraCurmudgeon

    A lot of interesting comments and perspectives here. A few took note of officiating, and I agree that the “continuation” (complete with the requisite 3-step NBA finish) was particularly egregious. But my father was a one-time IU recruit (late 40’s) who never actually went to college, but because of dad’s flirting with IU basketball I naturally have been an IU fan for over half a century, and I can tell you this: The officiating is what it always has been. Officiating is a constant disappointment, but a constant nonetheless, so it is simply a thing you have to play and coach around. Solid play will make the officials insignificant, and the officials were insignificant when the Hoosiers really pounded it to MSU for awhlel in the second half when the difference was clearly our play and not the calls.

    The real issue in my view happened at about the 12 minute point in the second half. The substitutions at the end of the 25-2 run just didn’t work out, and I’m not sure CTC had a choice. Pace and intensity of game, wear-you-down strength of Michigan State, the extra energy spent simply getting back into the game meant a great deal was riding on Elston and company when they came in during the second half. They played poorly, but they had to play to give some of the others a blow. Hulls is a real enigma to me because sometimes he looks like he could play all out for 60 minutes, never mind just 40 (a warrior’s heart, that kid) but other mere mortals have a hard time going a full 20 minutes. Elston and company needed to come up with a break-even 4 to 6 minute stretch and they were simply not up to the task. It was THE momentum changer. But like I said, they had to play because the run was beoming unsustainable due to normal fatigue. I’d say that without Sheehey, the bench is suddenly extremely thin and much less effective. Either way, I think that substitution set was both key and unavoidable, and it simply didn’t work.

  • NervousWreck

    On the bright side of bad loss….Watford was no doubt the “Pick to Click” last night.  Makes me 1 for 1.  Would rather have the W though….

  • HoosierSmitty

    I’m glad ITH removes stuff like that from the site. I think I saw it earlier and if it’s what I thought it was, it needed to go. An opinion is one thing, but do it with a little class. 

  • HoosierSmitty

    How much do you think that first shot of Hulls that got blocked affected his mentality? I know the kid’s tough as nails, but he just seemed rattled. He made a heck of a move to get open for the shot only to have it swatted like it was nothing. After that I noticed some hesitancy on his part. I could be way off, but when I saw that shot get blocked, I thought to myself…this is not a good sign for Jordy. 

  • HoosierSmitty

    How much do you think that first shot of Hulls that got blocked affected his mentality? I know the kid’s tough as nails, but he just seemed rattled. He made a heck of a move to get open for the shot only to have it swatted like it was nothing. After that I noticed some hesitancy on his part. I could be way off, but when I saw that shot get blocked, I thought to myself…this is not a good sign for Jordy. 

  • Kelin Blab

    First thanks to Champs in Tampa for showing the game while on vacation….Service great food ok!

    + Welcome to the world of the Big Ten Cody. Until he gets stronger he has to play position basketball and be active. Does not have the strength to body up guys at this point.

    + I actually enjoyed watching most of the game. It was a winnable game for IU, helluva start to the 2nd half.

    + Needed Wills effort tonite off the bench. Didn’t have anyone to go to from the bench.

    + What is up with Elston. Got off to a great start this season and has not gotten back to form from his most recent injuries.

    + Watford and VJ played a tough upperclassmen lead game.

    + Would not be suprised IU beats OSU. Zeller won’t be this aweful at home.

    + Still think IU gives up too soon on feeding the post. Need to use some high low as well.

  • HoosierSmitty

    Interesting statistic to observe. That’s some dedication. I don’t know if I can even count that high anymore. 

  • Kelin Blab

    I agree creamandcrimson, not sure where the overreaction is coming from on this one where Crean is Mike Davis all of sudden. He doesn’t get credit for the teams 2nd half start but gets credit for a 15 point loss to a team that rarely loses at home.