• sarge

    Trayce and Keion would be huge to keep home at Indiana. I would love to get Trendon and have another Watford making huge shots. These guys are the 3 I would most like to see in cream and crimson in the upcoming class. Hurt would be awesome, but I don’t feel as good about landing him. We made a statement with our recruiting, and need to keep the momentum. I really like these guys and hope they want to be Hoosiers as bad as we want them to be.

  • inLinE6

    As of right now, we may or may not fill the last open scholarship, and even we fill it, it’ll be a one-year grad transfer. So we have at least 2 scholarships open for 2019, possibly 3 if Langford leaves for NBA, or with transfers. That being said, I believe Jackson-Davis is a must-get. We only need one of Brooks or Watford. Watford indicated he’s going to make the decision soon, so I have a feeling his commitment would turn Brooks away. I agree that the last scholarship should be used on a high profile SG.

  • HoosierEconomist

    Not to split hairs here but how do you define “number one”? Ranking? While he certainly seems to be the number one in-state recruit, I’d argue Watford is his number one in terms of ranking and effort (when you control for the fact Watford lives in Alabama)

  • Hoosier Hall

    But looking more at what is needed regarding position, I would argue Davis then Watford. Davis plays PF/C for the most part and we only have DD, Race and Clifton in that role now.

  • inLinE6

    I see your point. Jackson-Davis is more post player, versus Watford/Brooks are oversized SF and play similarly. So I don’t think Watford and Brooks both come, but it’s possible to have one of them along with Jackson-Davis. That being said, the wing position would be loaded in next 2 years. Out of the mix, Clifton Moore’s situation is not very clear. He possesses a lot of physical talent but fell behind in development, and could see even less playing time in next 2 years. But regardless, with the way Archie currently recruits, I think he probably wants 2 out of the aforementioned trio.

  • coachv

    and forrester

  • coachv

    so you have concluded that neither moore or forrester can fill the need for an inside defensive presence?

  • coachv

    moore will have 2 years of college ball and training under his belt while jackson will have none. forrester one. hopefully they put on 30 lbs. have no idea what any of the 3 can do until i see them play. my guess is if moore doesn’t play at all again next season he will be gone. as always, in miller i trust

  • Dsct1

    As I read through the comments I realized what a huge problem Archie has become for the IU program. To many quality players at all positions. Assuming the trend continues for his next recruiting class, and I see no reason it won’t.

  • inCMitrust

    Coach just landed his number one target in recruiting this year and I expect the same next year when Davis commits.

  • Arch Puddington

    I agree all around. My own guess, based on nothing but the number of players we have at comparable positions, is that we end up with just one of the Jackson-Davis/Brooks/Watford trio. And of the three, Jackson-Davis is (I’m guessing) both the most likely and the most important. As good as Brooks and Watford are, we have good players at their positions already. What we will really need in 2019 is a shot-blocking interior defender/rebounder and (presumably) a SG. We also only technically have one scholarship available for 2019 anyway, although Romeo is a good bet to go, especially with the NBA considering allowing high schoolers to be drafted in 2020, and of course transfers are fact of life. All in all, I see TJD and a SG for 2019, plus whatever is needed to replace unexpected departures.

  • Arch Puddington

    Good point about the remaining scholarship for this year. Archie sure seems to be trying to fill it, although even if he does it might be with a grad transfer with only one year left. In that case, of course, the spot would be still open for someone in 2019. I still suspect we only end up with one of the three forwards, though, because Justin Smith, Jerome Hunter, Race Thompson, and De’Ron Davis will all still be on the roster, plus Jake Forrester and Clifton Moore. If one or both of those last two emerge as contributors this year, we just won’t have much room for forwards in the 2019 class. Guards and centers seem to be our big openings for 2019 and even 2020, so while I’m quite sure Archie would be giddy with Brooks and/or Watford in addition to Jackson-Davis, I suspect he will be pushing for players who will balance out the roster.

  • Arch Puddington

    Watford is technically ranked a bit higher, but both are 5-stars, and Jackson-Davis a) is from Indiana, and b) plays a position we need to upgrade. That seems to me to make him the number one priority by a good bit. The Indiana thing alone is enough to make it so. Tom Crean lost his job in no small part because he couldn’t recruit Indiana players anymore, and both Archie and Fred Glass were explicit in their determination to follow the “inside-out” approach. Not that things are ever quite this simple, but if it came down to either Jackson-Davis or Watford and Archie got to pick, I am 99% certain he would choose TJD.

  • Arch Puddington

    Moore has made clear through both his words and deeds that he is not a 5 or even a power 4. So even if he turns out to be really good, he will not be the interior defensive presence that Jackson-Davis will be.

    Obviously we don’t know what Jake Forrester will bring, but if we give any credence at all to rankings and what little we see on highlights, he is not as ready to contribute as Jackson-Davis. Maybe he will surprise us early on, and even if not, maybe he will develop over time into a really big time player. But based on an admittedly small data set, it sure looks like TJD is already a big time player. And let’s face it, with DD’s health and productivity in question, and no other true centers on the roster for the moment, there will room for both TJD and JF if it comes to that.

  • VOXAC30

    I see us going with three BIGS and only a sporadic playing time for DD for when you need a big for shot blocking against larger more physical teams. But we will have a lot of size and athleticism all hovering between 6’7 to 6’10”. I am probably wrong but it seems Arch likes lean and athletic.

  • inCMitrust

    As Hoosier Hall stated number 1 is not just ranking, but also need. Anyway that is what I meant and the reason I said “target”.

  • inCMitrust

    I posted something earlier but it disappeared. I’ll try again. I will argue that we will not be that crowded in the front line positions. Assume in the interior we have Jackson-Davis, Deron and Forrester. Small forward Justin and Jerome. The other forward position Race and Moore. At this point I’m not a believer in Moore so we need another contributor in that position. I did not forget about Damezi. I think he will be getting his minutes at SG, in fact I believe he will getting some minutes this year as Romeo’s back up. So, early prediction on next recruiting class; Jackson-Davis, Watford and a guard.

  • Ole Man

    I believe that Watford indicated that he was trimming his list soon. I would not expect a decision from him until next fall at the earliest. He has also said that he would like to visit after he trims his list.
    I could have misinterpreted his remarks, but that is my take on what he said.

  • pdhoosier

    I normally agree with you (and always look forward to you interjections and participation in the threads) but have to somewhat disagree in this case. Our number one priority was Romeo and we got it. But after that I don’t think there is really SET direction. Several would could follow and more to open up I’m sure. But I had several immediate reactions to this conversation: a) to add to “we got romeo”, I doubt Archie will automatically make the best player in state top priority out of sheer principle – fit and potential have to factor in (not saying TJD doesn’t… though I don’t LOVE Brooks), b) part of our pitch will be to get them to the league, and though it may be his natural position, a 6’8” center won’t cut it in the league (save for Draymond) so he will need to learn/play the 4 anyway and I’d bet money Watford (a 3/4) can post up and guard down low; c) the little brother of a four-year legacy who helped rebuild and hit the most famous shot in the last 30 years (against our mortal enemy as a state) does not play second fiddle to being born in state – I call him a Hoosier all day long

  • coachv

    miller did not recruit moore. most 18 year old basketball players are lean and athletic

  • coachv

    just because moore says or you say he is not a 4 or 5 doesn’t mean he won’t be guarding them in the lane. he doesn’t get a vote. if he wants to play he better damn well learn how to guard the position

  • Arch Puddington

    Sign me up! That would be a phenomenal class, both athletically and politically. Since I made my post I came across an article about Watford, and it was more encouraging than I would have guessed. Crystal Ball still has him at 100% for Alabama, and I suppose the smart money is there. But if his father is to be believed, the situation is much more fluid than Crystal Ball suggests, and there is some realistic chance he will come here.

  • IUBizmark

    You could say that it’s better to nab Brooks than Watford since you’d prevent MSU from getting him and us having to then compete against him. I’d be quite happy with either, and happy with TJD.

  • IUMIKE1

    From my thoughts to your keyboard lol couldn’t agree more.

    IMHO even with the cluster of players at that position, and once DD’s uncertain health is factored in it, like you. I think there is room for both and those facts also only make it more likely that there will be a transfer, thus creating even more room.

  • IUMIKE1

    Damn !! First we get Romoe, then I find myself agreeing with coachv,. Will wonders never cease. lol

  • Arch Puddington

    Well, we certainly agree that Archie would like to have them all! And not just for their play on the court. As you say, the brother of an IU legend has special appeal.

    But being the brother of a former Hoosier does not make him a Hoosier. I mean, if he chooses Alabama, will you still call him Hoosier? Surely not, because a kid from Alabama who goes to Alabama is an Alabaman. He would only become a Hoosier if in fact he comes here to play. (And for what it’s worth, Crystal Ball still has him at 100% for Alabama. I don’t think that is accurate or up to date, but it does make the important point that his local school isn’t Indiana).

    These are not a technicalities. Indiana kids are not enough by themselves to win a national championship, but there is no way we will win another if we don’t begin to once again bring in top players from our own state. We just can’t sustain success without at least some of our best local talent, and our coach has said as much. Trendon Watford, while hugely attractive for lots of reasons, isn’t local talent. Still hope he comes here though!

  • Outoftheloop

    I say 2 out of the 3: Davis, Brooks and Watford; plus a great PG (or combo guard with great PG skills)!

  • VOXAC30

    He did recruit Moore not like CTC did but he talk with him and made it a point that he wanted him to stay at IU. Do you remember him saying these are my kids now (my quote is off a little)? Yes, it is likely that an 18 year old D1 CBP would be lean and athletic but the point I am making is that he isn’t looking for the big power forwards or the traditional center he wants long and lanky kids. Maybe I am wrong IDK but looking at the guys he has recruited and has offered its looking that way to me.

  • coachv

    is miller going after that stewart kid? strong like bull

  • coachv

    no