POTB 218: The offseason begins

  • 03/07/2018 8:01 am in

Podcast on the Brink is back for a new episode with hosts Jerod Morris of The Assembly Call and Alex Bozich of Inside the Hall. The show is available weekly.

In this week’s show, Morris and Bozich discuss IU’s loss to Rutgers in the Big Ten tournament and begin to tackle some offseason storylines surrounding IU basketball. Among the topics discussed:

· The Big Ten tournament and IU’s disappointing performance at MSG
· The decision that lies ahead for IU junior forward Juwan Morgan
· The offseason work that lies ahead for several players on IU’s roster
· Why a grad transfer might not be the best solution to fill an open roster spot
· The latest on Romeo Langford
· Why this year’s IHSAA boys state tournament should be one of the best in recent memory

And much, much more. As always, feel free to drop the show a note at [email protected].

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  • Ms hoosier

    Justin Smith has shown that he can shoot the ball as well.

  • VOXAC30

    The part I cannot wrap my mind around is what people mean by a BIG. Our future front court with JM 6’8, Justin Smith 6’7″, Jake Forester 6′ 8″, Race Thompson 6’8″, 6’10” Deron Davis, and Jerome Hunter 6′ 7″.

    I am not trying be off handed but seems like we would be better off with two 6’8″ to 6’7″ athletic guys on the inside then a big just taking up space and it seems we will have depth there.

  • MrNobody

    If only we had shooters we’d won most of those games. Be it free throw or 3’s. Add Race n Jake n hopefully Trace plus some pure shooters and I think we’re fine. Right state for some sharp shooters 😉

  • Kyl470

    College basketball isn’t exactly full of great big men. If there is a great big man then he is gone after one year. Looking back at this entire season the only dominate scoring players IU faced 6’10” or taller were Haas and Carter and Bagley of Duke. Even Nick Ward was only 6’8″ and Jackson wasn’t a dominate scorer and will be a one and done for MSU.

  • IUBizmark

    I know you probably know this, but they did make it TO the S16, just not past.

  • pdhoosier

    Call it wishful thinking! I know, I realized I reached a bit, but even give us a top 50% in that category and new story all together. Agree totally with the last thought!

  • pdhoosier

    I was more comparing the value/necessities moving forward and with regard to our system. And using DD, who is a very talented big who was somewhat challenged with the system, as an example of how even good bigs don’t automatically create value/strength. Whereas a great guard would potentially add immediate value

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Maybe we can reincarnate Bill Walton in college.

  • VOXAC30

    Bless you! Who did Villanova have? You sneezed right before you said it. 🙂

    I am hoping the Ochefu does not find me an beat me up for that comment as well.

  • GHG

    TBH idk if it’s a necessity to compete(I’m not a BBALL coach), I just like having a big man down low. 1, it’s fun to watch a big guy throw it down over people. 2 I think it opens up the perimeter a lot . 3. We always find our guys double teaming, other teams bigs bc we don’t have size to do it 1 on 1. This means we are leaving someone wide open at the 3 pt line. How many games did we allow teams to score their record number of 3 this year? it seemed like quite a lot

  • marcusgresham

    D’oh!
    Typo–meant to say “past”

  • marcusgresham

    In his limited minutes he showed, if nothing else, a pretty good propensity for shot-blocking.

  • calbert40

    I love the optimism…I just wish I shared it on CM. I hope you’re right about him, but I don’t see him as much more than back-of-the-rotation frontcourt depth that we would use in the event of foul trouble. Again…I hope I’m wrong, though.

  • calbert40

    Did you see the pics that Coach Marshall tweeted of Race yesterday? Pic 1 is how he looked when he enrolled, and Pic 2 is from today. WOW! I’m excited to see him play next year.

  • calbert40

    I don’t have an issue with my words…I think you just took them the wrong way 🙂

    I was just saying that if I was presented with a choice to have a) great perimeter play, OR b) great post play…I’d never even hesitate. I’d ALWAYS pick great perimeter play. My comment was made, because I was reading comments suggesting that our frontcourt was a problem this year. I don’t necessarily agree with that, especially if we had a full season of DD.

    But Archie doesn’t live in my make pretend world of having to choose. In that regard, you’re right. I just think expecting him to get us a stud 6’10” athletic post this year is unrealistic.

  • calbert40

    Let’s talk about what it takes to be considered an “anchor” down low. Is it 15 ppg and 8 rpg? Or can it be a Dennis Rodman type – all boards and no scoring? Can it be a shot blocker? Or is it just a big guy who plays smartly, like McRoberts does except in the post?

    Morgan played a lot in the post this year, especially after DD was injured. He fits the first criteria (16.5 / 7.6). He also blocked 44 shots this year. I think we get too caught up in looking at what “numbered” position a guy is as opposed to actually looking at what he really does when on the court. JM may be a 3, but he played a ton in the post this year. He’s our anchor. Now, we need to surround him with some better perimeter talent.

  • VOXAC30

    I did not…. I gave up Social Media for Lent so no FB, Twitter, Instagram, or youTube. It would be impossible to give up ITH though.

  • calbert40

    haha…I was about to say…

  • We didn’t let anyone score their record number of 3s because we couldn’t defend the post without doubling. ISU and FW, at least, just shot unbelievably well from outside and our perimeter defense generally was still really porous at that point.

  • Koko

    I think Villanova is an elite team….check out their roster and starting five….not very big but very good guards.

  • GHG

    You can believe that if you want… but if the shooter wasn’t wide open before getting the ball, their shooting probably wasn’t going to be as good.

  • I think I wasn’t clear. I meant: it wasn’t because we were doubling the post that ISU and FW hit their record number of threes. Those teams didn’t have great post players. It was because we were generally terrible at defending the perimeter at that point in the season. Of course, that’s what allowed them to hit their record number of threes. We got much better at defending the perimeter as the season progressed, including when we had to double the post (which we actually didn’t do that often).

  • Sherronhasaheadache

    im with you,the game today is so guard oriented a good backcourt is a must , not saying i wouldnt love a great big man but in winning time yuo need solid guard play

  • marcusgresham

    Everyone be prepared for Juwan Morgan to declare for the draft. He’d be foolish not to go and get feedback. I fully expect him to return to Bloomington for his senior year, but it’s just a solid business decision on his behalf to hear from NBA people in regards to his prospects and what he needs to improve.
    …..so don’t head to the ledge when he makes the announcement.

  • marcusgresham

    I don’t know that he’ll ever become a major offensive option but I can see him being a real asset defensively.

  • marcusgresham

    Free throw shooting cost as many victories as any single element. Ugh!

  • marcusgresham

    I’d gladly put the current Bill Walton on the bench if it meant I didn’t have hear him calling any games on TV. His incoherent ramblings are the best argument Jeff Sessions has against the legalization of recreational marijuana.

  • marcusgresham

    Already committed.
    He’s going to play football at South Central Louisiana State University.

  • marcusgresham

    Four ballhandlers seems plenty. Most teams only go two or three deep at PG, and IU already will have Green, Durham, and Phinisee (not necessarily in that order,) on the roster.
    Hunter and Anderson may not be ballhandlers but both have been noted to have the ability to play the 2, so that gives a possible five guards, six if Langford comes. With the larger number of guys in the front court, it might not be a bad idea to have one or two of those guys logging some minutes at guard.
    Davis (if healthy,) Morgan, Thompson, Smith, would seem to be the obvious top of the rotation with Forrester and Moore both also hopefully competing for minutes. If you’re adding Hunter and (to a lesser degree size-wise,) Anderson to that bunch you’ve got a logjam; but if they’re capable of playing guard you’ve got a lot of long arms on your perimeter defense!

  • marcusgresham

    The problem wasn’t finding a replacement for Zeller, though. With Vonleh and Bryant Crean really kept that position as a strength. It was other stuff that wasn’t up to par.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Marcus, I knew someone was going to state that after I typed it. He was the best college basketball center to ever play and yes he is a psycho babble.

  • GHG

    Grab someone from Europe. They are out there, other teams seem to find em

  • RDD#76

    So true except for Al in the last game going down the stretch who wouldn’t thought our best free throw shooter would have been Freddie Mac

  • MK

    Fine – I’ll give you that you do not need an all-star down low, however, you need someone to contend with other teams size so that we aren’t constantly playing mismatched. Being bigger than the other team is more of an advantage than being smaller. Being smaller leads to less rebounds, more fouls. Basketball is a game of size. Especially when our best player is forced to guard a bigger player without fouling.

  • calbert40

    Size is nice to have, no argument there. However, I think that there isn’t really a correlation between size and success.

    The 5 tallest Power School teams this year were
    1) Duke (25-6, #3 KenPom), potential 1 seed
    2) Notre Dame (20-13, #28 KP), Bubble
    3) Baylor (18-13, #32 KP), Bubble, but likely a 10-11 seed
    4) Florida St (20-11, #37 KP) In, but a low seed
    5) Oregon St (16-15, #92 KP) Out

    The Shortest team in the nation was…
    1) Ohio St (24-8, #16 KP) In, a pretty good seed

    Obviously, sheer height doesn’t necessarily mean those players are really good either, but still…we can’t say just having size means we will be better.

  • marcusgresham

    Oh my god, if he shut his mouth his a** would fly open!

  • marcusgresham

    With 351 teams, being at 50% would mean you’d be #175.5 putting you right between Bowling Green and Marshall, both of which are at 34.9%.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    He always describes his bicycle, for at least 45 minutes, five times during each broadcast of the Maui games.

  • Agreed. In fact, even as a fan, I selfishly _hope_ he goes into the process and gets some feedback. That will only help him have a stronger senior season.

  • GHG

    He was more of a force when he had the extra 30lbs on him lol

  • MK

    I’m saying just having one or two guys that are big and can bang down low makes a significant difference and that I personally do not believe you can win it all without it. While the game has become more perimeter oriented, it’s not that the players are smaller, it’s just that bigger guys are playing outside. I don’t know how you (not you specifically, but a generally “you”) can argue that our lack of size inside didn’t hurt us in every single game.

  • marcusgresham

    I’m talking about Moore, not Davis. We’d all LOVE to see an extra 30 on Clifton.