Four-star guard Eric Hunter excited by change in IU’s recruiting approach

  • 04/24/2017 8:24 am in

FORT WORTH, Texas – Class of 2018 Tindley guard Eric Hunter is excited to know where he stands with Indiana.

Before last month’s coaching change in Bloomington, the 6-foot-3 lefty hard a time figuring out how serious the Hoosiers were about recruiting him.

On April 17, Archie Miller and assistant coach Tom Ostrom made a trip to visit Hunter at his school and the IU staff watched him this weekend in the adidas Gauntlet in the Dallas area.

“He’s a serious guy,” Hunter told Inside the Hall. “He won’t be like the previous IU staff – kind of wishy washy – if he likes me he’s going to let me know and if he doesn’t, I’m going to know.”

It’s a welcome change for Hunter, who led Class A Tindley to a state championship last month at Bankers Life Fieldhouse.

“That’s great, if you ask me,” Hunter said when asked about the change in recruiting approach. “It was different with the last staff. It was on and off a lot.”

This spring and summer, Hunter is playing with Indiana Pros on the adidas Gauntlet silver circuit.

On Saturday morning, Miller and assistant coach Ed Schilling both watched Hunter as did Chris Mack, Matt Painter and several Big Ten assistants, including Michael Lewis of Nebraska.

The meeting last Monday with Miller and Ostrom gave Hunter a chance to become more familiar with the new coaching staff and what they plan to implement in Bloomington.

“It was just serious. He went through a powerpoint,” Hunter explained. “It was about the staff, the way they play, the way they played at Dayton and how he’s going to play next year. And how I would fit in that.”

In addition to the visit last week from Indiana, Hunter was visited at his school by Nebraska and Notre Dame. The four-star guard is rated the No. 105 prospect nationally by the 247Composite.

Hunter said his recruitment is “completely open” at this point and also said he’s not planning to cut down to a smaller list of schools until the end of the summer.

As a junior, he averaged more than 26 points for Tindley and shot better than 50 percent from behind the 3-point line.

When it comes to making a decision, Hunter says he already has a pretty good idea of the factors that will matter the most to him.

“From the school part of it, everywhere is a good education,” he said. “As far as basketball goes, I’m looking for the best situation for me. Playing right away, that means a lot to me – I’m sure it means a lot to everybody – and just the relationship I have with the staff and the players.”

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  • Having just settled on a college for next Fall with my oldest, not sure i love his “everywhere is a good education” comment.

    I guess there aren’t any real laggards in B1G in that regard, but to assume that the school part of any university is essentially the same strikes me as both shortsighted and untrue.

    And perhaps this is also a glimpse into what top players really think of the student portion of the student-athlete mythology.

    That said, I love Archie busting out PowerPoint, and am concerned (although not shocked) that CTC was seemingly playing -perhaps unintentional – head games with recruits.

  • How many universities have you attended? Did one have far superior undergrad instructors who helped you learn more?

  • Jimmy Johnson

    I think your response is short sighted. I am going to assume rather carefully that his exposure to college has been somewhat limited and quite possibly he has not yet decided on a major. When you look at the list of colleges recruiting him IU, Notre Dame, Purdue, Xavier, and Nebraska I think it is safe to say that those are all very good schools who offer 1st class educations. I am not sure where your oldest decided on but for anybody a degree from any of this institutions would be a great accomplishment.

  • HoosierHeel

    All of the schools he is looking at would provide a good education. He is right. So he’s focused on the basketball aspect of the decision. Nothing wrong with that. Hopefully he doesn’t look at this post and think all IU fans are this arrogant.

  • pbhuff

    The didactic portion of university coursework is HIGHLY comparable between universities. What also separates universities is more about the environment and what happens outside the classroom. Having great professors is only an big advantage IF the students are interacting with them outside the classroom. And specifically for athletes, their educational experience is more dictated by the athletic department than the university at large – their time commitments limit the amount they fully utilize the university environment, and they also have additional support with tutors/advisers etc

  • Zora Clevenger

    My wife andI have degrees from two and have gone to grad school at a third (two B10, one Pac10). And yes, there is a great deal of difference between universities depending on your degree program. I’ve felt blessed to have been in good programs, and felt robbed of tuition at others. Hopefully the kid has a program in mind and does his ‘homework.’

  • HoosierBballNut

    It has been very heartening to see similarities and consistencies with the recruiting approach among all of the recruits 🙂

  • HoosierBballNut

    I agree with Zora, the quality of the programs differ greatly. Business school at IU is no comparison PurDont’s business school both at the grad and undergrad levels 🙂

  • IU Kelley business school is a graduate level program. The undergrad intro business classes are nothing special.

  • Obviously many factors at play here, but just for data purposes, here are US News’ current rankings. Among “national universities”:

    ND – 15
    Purdue – 60
    IU – 86
    Nebraska – 111

    Among “Midwest regional universities”:

    Xavier – 4

    I did not say, nor did i mean to imply, that any of these choices are bad. But they are not “the same.”

    I’d just prefer players to look more critically at the academics side, as much as the style of play side, etc.

  • Fivelefts

    I like his game! Nice shooting stroke! Aggressive going to the basket! I’m trying to compare Robert Phinisee and him.. I think he may have the edge over Phinisee with his length, and ability to finish at the rim..

  • If wanting student athletes potentially representing a school I support to care more about academics during their recruitment qualifies as arrogance, then I will gladly accept that slur.

  • You yourself have gone to 2 undergrad universities or are you comparing your undergrad experiences with stories from your wife?

    Professors aren’t paid to teach math, physics, history, organic chemistry, or economics. It’s an annoyance to them, and they couldn’t care less. Why should they? They’re judged/paid/tenured by the research they produce, and the benefit of their drive and how good they are is the Graduate and doctorate programs they lead.

  • HoosierBballNut

    As a graduate from the Kelley school of business I am sorry to say that facts disagree with you.. Kelley’s undergrad is ranked 4th in the country by Bloomberg and my company recruits heavily from there. Purdue is ranked 74th.. This is the employer’s ranking..

  • Beaver’s dad

    What he really meant was who has the best co-eds.

  • Doug Wilson

    So… He wants to know where he stands with a University, but it’s OK that 20 University’s have to wait until he knows if Duke, UNC or UK have an opening for him as a Starter?
    I kinda see where Coach Miller will have his own short list.
    Eric Hunter can walk in my opinion… IU has high academics, not the same education as say Louisville or UK…

    Anyone who says they must start on a team; mixed with his opinion that “everywhere is a good education”, is not a scholar first type of player. He’s one of the 50 players each year who thinks he can one and done…. He is not an IU quality player.

  • Ivan Renko

    well honestly the overall rankings don’t mean much. IU has top 15 programs in Kelley, Jacobs, SPEA, and even pre-med. Law isn’t far behind either. If you want to study any of those disciplines you would go to IU over purdue and even ND if you factor in bang for your buck.

  • twarrior87

    I did a year at IUK before going to IUB. IUB’s classes were much more challenging. Why do you top think companies go after students from schools like Stanford much harder than students from, say, Vincennes?

  • HoosierHeel

    I recall caring a lot more about how pretty the IU coeds were, and how awesome Assembly Hall was than the academics of Indiana when I was 17 making my college decision. That’s because just like him, I knew all of the schools I was looking at would provide a good education. He’s being asked by a basketball journalist about his choice on where to play basketball. Ease up.

  • Indiana_Banners

    You’re removing his statement from context. He’s only speaking about a select number of schools, and as far as the programs recruiting him all of them offer a good education. It’s hard to argue otherwise. If he were considering going to school for basketball at one of these programs versus matriculating at Ivy Tech or The Art Institute you might have a point but he’s correct as far as the schools he’s considering.

  • inLinE6

    I agree with your assessment on graduate schools being the real difference, but there’s certainly quality disparities in undergrad programs. The professors, your peers, the requirements, competition, the vision, the environment, the activities, are all on different level. But it’s not true that all students from a top ranked university are better than those from an average university. However there’re definitely much more stars from a more prestigious program.

  • Indiana_Banners

    Who says they don’t care about academics just because they’re not willing to, or eager to, split hairs? Like HoosierHeel said, Hunter is correct that all of the schools he’s considering offer a good education. That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t care about his homework or his studies, he may just be aware that there’s not a ton of difference in how employers consider diplomas after a few years in the workforce.

  • inLinE6

    Justin Smith said something different. So yea I guess not all players are the same in terms of expectation on the institutions.

  • inLinE6

    I agree. I wouldn’t say anything towards previous coaching staff even I feel positive about the change. He looks like a solid 4-year player which may not be our primary option at point.

  • HoosierHeel

    Quickly typing between traffic lights. Don’t be that guy.

  • HoosierHeel

    “Playing right away, that means a lot to me . . .” = I want to be a one and done at UK or Duke? Are you bringing in information from other sources, or just reading his statements completely different than I am?

  • Cap London

    I work in the college admissions business and can tell you most of the US News rankings are worthless when it comes to getting jobs after college.

    When a student is looking for a job companies do not consider the difference between a “national school” ranked 60th or 86th. It’s like comparing 4 star basketball recruits. Once you get past the 5 star guys the 4 star players are all similar. Schools like Stanford or the Ivy’s are like 5 star recruits and in some (but not all) cases the name brand will help later in life.

    However, if a student wants to get a job in Indiana then having a degree from an in-state school is very important. The job opportunities and networking connections will be far greater by staying in state.

  • Logical Lurker

    It truly depends on the program you’re looking for. So much variance across most universities and many specialize in one thing or another. Comparing 1 school’s business school with another’s agriculture program and yet another’s med school … apples to corn to oranges.

  • Ivan Renko

    yeah that’s the point I was trying to make. IU is lower in national rankings overall but has various programs stronger than most. so national overall rankings aren’t much of an indicator depending on what you’re interested in pursuing.

  • SCHoosier

    Quick as a wink..kind of kid Miller et al need to at least be in front of when possible.

  • HoosierDom

    It’s more because the students accepted into Stanford have already proven themselves to be outstanding. Differences in the actual educational experience are not the driving factor.

  • IU_theoracle

    I watched Eric Hunter in the state finals and was very impressed by his game, he will be a solid college player either at IU or another D1 school but he definitely has the game to play at the next level.

  • Rick Pearson

    CTC, really believe did that a lot of left a lot of players hanging over recruiting always

  • Cap London

    That Bloomberg list has the Penn Wharton School outside of the top 15. No employer would rank an IU grad over one from Wharton. Kelly is not in the top 20 in US News rankings. Anyhow all of the college rankings are nonsense. Companies from the Midwest hire IU grads because they have a long tradition of producing great employees. If you are from Indy or the Chicago area a degree from Kelly is great from a networking perspective.

  • calbert40

    That’s not a very glowing picture that Hunter painted of the Crean regime. Maybe this is why he was so hit and miss lately in recruiting?

  • calbert40

    I “appreciate” it insofar as he is using it as a reference point, and stating that Archie is NOT like that. He’s giving Arch a compliment…even if saying something negative about Crean.

  • WhatsUpKnight2.0

    yeah, quite a change from the typical vanilla responses you normally get with recruiting questions. that was a pretty strong opinion. i’ll just say i really like how CM and staff have conducted their business and leave it at that.

  • FKIM01

    Uh yeah…you’re taking undergraduate courses for most basketball players a bit too seriously. If young Mr. Hunter was a declared engineering major (i.e., Isaac Haas at Purdue), you’d have a point. As far as I’ve read, he’s not pre-selected a more challenging major that would indicate the need for a specialty school.

    I went to one of the cheapest public universities in Indiana. So did my sister. I even took a few summer courses at (horrors!) Vincennes University. I own my own business and by most business measures, have had better than average success. My sister is near the top of the dental field in the state and actually teaches high-level courses at IU dental school when not practicing. Last year, despite only teaching part-time, she was one of the highest-rated instructors at the dental school and the school has made it clear that they would love to have her teach full-time.

    Although neither of us went to IU or one of the more prestigious schools for our undergrad, we were more than adequately prepared for graduate and post-graduate work. With few exceptions, good students tend to keep being good students almost regardless of the undergrad school they choose. Most schools have a few bad professors, but most at that level are quite capable of teaching a typical college-level course.

  • To be clear I didn’t say he doesn’t care. I said he seems to – at this point – believe that all schools recruiting him are equally strong academically. That is simply not true.

  • Indiana_Banners

    You implied that he doesn’t care and nothing he said suggests that he thinks they are equally good. He said they are all good. If I laid 5 bills of different denominations on a table and said they were all legal tender, it does not imply that I think they are of equal worth. You’re inferring based on nothing but an assumption. He did not say anything that implies “equally good,” you’re inserting a qualifier that changes the entire meaning of his statement so you can act high and mighty about how important education is to you. Give it a rest.

  • Give it a rest?

    Now you’re making assumptions. You know nothing about me, and if you perceive wanting kids to care about academics in major college athletics as “high and mighty” then we will agree to disagree. But there’s no need to be disagreeable.

  • Indiana_Banners

    Nothing he said says he doesn’t care about academics. You invented that. He didn’t say that he didn’t care about academics, he didn’t say that the schools he listed were equals academically. Those are both items that you fabricated out of your imagination. You’ve set up a strawman and now you’re batting it about.

  • IU_Alum_Gustin

    AAS from Alfred State College (SUNY), BS from Rochester Institute of Technology, MS and doctorate from IU. Also, took individual classes at Antelope Valley Community College, Brockport State University, and UCLA. Most of the instructors at all of these institutions were qualified and fine instructors and professors, form my experience.

  • IU_Alum_Gustin

    So true!

  • marcusgresham

    Perhaps the Wharton School’s reputation has been sullied by the maniacal rants of its most famous graduate.

  • IUMIKE1

    That ” phenomenal ” fact probably has a lot of fact to it. lol

  • Indiana_Banners

    A lot of our commenters seem to be projecting some unsavory sentiments onto this young man and I’m not sure why but it sure is disappointing.

  • As an employer myself who has hired 40 people per year, I can say unequivocally that undergraduate rankings mean nothing in our HR process. The worst employee I’ve known by far was a Cornell graduate.

    It’s almost impossible to land a good career job with only an undergrad degree straight out of college. By good career in 2017, I’m talking $100k+ in non urban areas. All things being equal, I’d rather hire a Vincennes grad with a 3.7GPA than a Stanford grad with a 3.7GPA. Why? Because the Stanford kid will think his name brand school entitles him to higher pay despite him having identical experience. And also because I’m a Cornell grad and I’ve been to Stanford for summer school, and I know the quality of lectures were no different than what I experienced at IU or Grand Canyon University. It’s actually easier to get a higher GPA at Harvard than at IU because not only do their professors inflate their grades, but A+ count as 4.3.

    Undergrad rankings is a joke. I don’t know of many, actually I don’t know of ANY employer who makes hiring decisions based on it. Graduate and doctorate programs are completely different. A hospital that hires a Johns Hopkins MD won’t care if she had 2 years of IVY Tech and then pUKe bachelor’s of theater on her resume. In fact, a non scholarship student with ambition, but on a budget, would be smart to go to a 2 year college, transfer to an in-state 4-year university, keep up amazing grades, and go to a prestigious school for graduate work and beyond.

  • KelvinSampson87

    From what I can tell he’s considering butler Creighton and B10 schools. Assuming that’s the case I would have to agree that they are all good educations. I’m not sure why that comment has rubbed so many people the wrong way.

    I think the fact that the kid appreciates Archie’s serious matter of fact demeanor. I’m not particularly invested in this recruit one way or the other but am very excited to see that almost every recruit being interviewed seems to respect Archie Miller as a coach and see his intense personality and organization as a positive.

    I love Archie’s approach thus far which seems to be I am going to demand a lot out of my players and and develop an elite program. If you want to put in the hard work and sacrifice To be a part of something special great if not best of luck somewhere else. That’s the kind of attitude that develops an elite program and attracts the kind of players that win championships. I know there is still a lot to be seen but I absolutely love the confidence and leadership style.

  • Doug Wilson

    If UK wants Hunter he would be gone… I don’t think he cares about doing anything with a degree. You know, beyond basketball… Indiana needs student athletes first, not basketball players looking for playing time…. IU is the wrong school for that.
    Zeller, two year college player, lottery pick, NBA starter. a degree from Kelley. Olidipo Lottery pick, NBA starter Degree before he left for NBA.. You know Student Athletes.
    Eric Hunter rubs me wrong… Crean chase after Hunter then backed off. Why? Just ask yourself why?