POTB 172: Jeff Goodman of ESPN on Archie Miller and IU’s future

  • 04/18/2017 12:10 pm in

Podcast on the Brink is back for a new episode with host Jerod Morris of The Assembly Call. The show is currently available weekly.

In this edition of the show, Morris is joined by Jeff Goodman of ESPN.com to discuss a variety of topics. Among them:

· Is Jeff surprised at how smooth Archie’s transition has been?
· What Archie told him was his #1 priority when he took the job
· Why getting reaffirmations from the incoming recruits was so important
· His thoughts on the upcoming NBA decisions of Thomas Bryant, James Blackmon Jr. and Robert Johnson
· What Indiana’s in-state and national recruiting will look like under Archie Miller
· Whether it’s realistic or not to expect Archie to be in the mix right away for guys like Romeo Langford
· What reasonable expectations should be for Archie’s first season
· Some important differences between Tom Crean and Archie Miller

And much, much more. As always, feel free to drop the show a note at [email protected].

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  • Ms hoosier

    At least Goodman knew where he stood with Hoosier Fans!!

  • iugradmark

    Really good podcast. Thank you for getting Jeff to weigh in on the coaching staff. Would really like to see some interviews with the assistants to get their read on why they accepted their positions and what their thoughts are for the future.

  • Thanks Mark. That’s an interesting idea. Not sure if they’ll make assistants available though.

  • Great discussion. Of course, I take issue with the idea that IU can’t compete nationally in recruiting with UK, Duke, et. al.

  • VanPastorMan

    He is right about IU fans being crazy. I admit it. When I got out of Air Force Basic Training in Dec 86 I flew from Dallas to St Louis, and from St Louis to Indy. On the latter flight I saw Bob Knight sitting about five rows behind me. I walked up, said I was a huge fan, my parents were taping the games while I was in basic, and could I get an autograph. You never know if a lot of Arizona people would do that to Sean Miller. We are crazy about our basketball. By the way I told Coach Knight to have a great season. That was when we won it in 87. To all IU fans you are welcome.

  • Ms hoosier

    Wow. How lucky can you get to get the same flight with the General!!

  • Ms hoosier

    I didn’t agree with that either. A coach makes all the difference. Before Coach K came to Duke they didn’t recruit that good, and I believe with a new coach like Archie if his first year at IU is a success recruiting could take off to a high leval!!

  • pbhuff

    I would maybe agree with the premise that IU wouldn’t compete nationally with UK, Duke, etc for the several years. Miller will need some time to establish a foundation first, but after that I think IU has a chance to be up there

  • ronb

    I agree That Archie is a good Coach but it took 4 years for Coach K to get to the NCAA tourney at Duke. He was not an instant hero for the fans. Things I have read on here by fans may not be realist for Archie in his 1st and 2nd yr at IU. I hope so but we need to give the guy some time at
    IU to recruit his type of players.

  • Except, Goodman seemed to be implying that IU under Archie would never be able to compete with those schools for the best players, but would eventually be able to compete in the Midwest and in Indiana. Now if I heard him wrong and he meant right way, then sure I agree. But if Archie achieves the success he’s talking about himself, then we’ll eventually be one of those top 5 school competing for the best talent anywhere.

  • pbhuff

    I think that’s what Goodman was implying as well, that IU would never compete, which I think is wrong.

    I was just saying that its on its way to a legitimate point if it includes the caveat that it would be temporary

  • Arch Puddington

    I not only agree that we can’t — and by that, I don’t mean we can never get a 5 star, just that we won’t compete year in and year out for multiple players of that caliber — I don’t think it’s necessary. As for why we can’t: for one thing, there are only so many of that type of player each year. Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, UNC, Arizona, and a few others are clearly the destinations of choice for the majority of the elite, and there are always a few who go to their local favorite instead of the power group. I do assume we can become the local favorite for Indiana players at some point, but with Michigan State, Louisville, Ohio State, and other power schools nearby, even that will always be a challenge. I’m also not sure that that is Archie’s brand. He screams hard work and integrity, and he will get LOTS of really good players. But the kind of player that goes to Kentucky is looking for something that neither CM nor IU have historically provided, and I’ll be surprised if that changes much, at least in the short term.

    As for why I don’t think it’s necessary, there are a number of programs that are routinely in the top 10 and competing for Final Fours without a roster full of one-and-dones. Among them: Villanova, Gonzaga, Michigan State, Louisville, Oregon, and Virginia. They all get top players, including the occasional 5 star, but they build their roster around 4 star players who stick around and develop into top performers over 2-4 years. Maybe in 10 years, when Coach K, Ole Roy, Izzo, Pitino, and maybe even Calipari are gone, Archie and the next generation can step into the void that will create and become the new destination coaches for the mega-elite. But for the foreseeable future I see us as more like those more workhorse programs than like show-pony programs, and I am ok with that. If CM is as good as I hope he is, a roster filled with top 4 star guys that he has coached for multiple years will be highly competitive.

  • iugradmark

    I don’t think that Archie is going to architect his teams the way Kentucky and Duke do theirs. Archie said in one of his interviews that he wants to be like North Carolina (without the tarnish) where there are a lot of good players including 4 year guys and a sprinkling of one or two one and done type kids. I don’t think he is looking to build a team like Kentucky where in some years, all starting 5 freshmen are drafted.

    I will be happy if we are like North Caolina, Villanova, MSU, etc. and I believe we can win and have success with that model. Kids who are really looking to play a year are likely to go to Kentucky where there is a track record of getting kids ready for their pro career.

  • You make good sense, and I get the difference between Archie’s approach and UK’s approach (and Dukes, I suppose). I took Goodman’s position a little differently, however, in that he seemed to be saying that IU wouldn’t be able to compete at all for the top players nationally — which I don’t think is something Archie would be against accomplishing.

    But I recognize that I might be splitting hairs a bit. More important, generally speaking, I agree with you wholeheartedly that I’d rather see teams full of really good student-athletes who play such good fundamental basketball that they can beat anyone, as opposed to teams full of one-and-dones. In fact, I think the game will move back a bit away from the UK’s and toward what I think we both would like to see at IU, and not just because a certain generation of coaches will retire at some point.

  • Sure, you make good sense. I agreed with your and Arch P.’s essential position above. What you two describe is precisely what I actually want for IU basketball in any event.

  • curtis south

    IMO Collin Hartman was the biggest to secure. Thats just my opinion but man we need his leadership!

  • iugradmark

    Curtis I am in a wait and see regarding Collin. In the short video he looked a long way from being able to practice beyond shooting drills. He was not a great athlete before and I wonder how much he has lost with the second major injury.

  • Shaggy_C

    I don’t disagree at all. How often has IU -ever- gotten the number one overall recruit? Isiah Thomas, maybe? I mean, really, there are only 20 McDonald’s All Americans per year. I don’t think it’s realistic that IU gets more than one or two of them even in a best-case scenario. We just aren’t going to be Kentucky or Duke, who each pull in 4 or 5 per year. Maybe after Coach K retires or Calapari gets his third program put on probation I could see it, but all else held equal IU is still in the second tier when it comes to recruiting.

  • HuntinHoosier86

    Awesome interview! Really enjoyed it. One small quibble,….could you leave in the intro with Don Fischer?? It really gets me pumped about IU basketball!

  • We were asked to remove it by the copyright owners, so it will no longer be a part of the intro.

  • HuntinHoosier86

    For real??!! That’s pretty ridiculous that they would have you all do that. Oh well. It was good while it lasted.

  • rob salway

    New found respect for Goodman. Always just thought he was a national media “talking head” but he actually seems to really have a grasp of things, at least for IU anyhow. Awesome interview.