Jay Bilas talks draft prospects of Yogi Ferrell, Troy Williams

  • 06/21/2016 3:50 pm in

ESPN college basketball and NBA draft analyst Jay Bilas was available Tuesday afternoon to discuss Thursday’s NBA draft at the Barclays Center. Bilas will be a part of ESPN’s draft coverage along with Rece Davis, Jalen Rose and Mike Wilbon.

Here’s what Bilas had to say about the draft prospects of both Yogi Ferrell and Troy Williams:

On Williams:

“I think Troy Williams is probably going to be at or around the end of the second round. I do think he’s a draftable player because of his athleticism, his ability to run the floor and his ability to finish plays in transition. And I think he can be a good defender because he kind of fits the suit there. He’s got size, he’s not crazy long, but he’s a high-flyer. He’s explosive, he plays with a lot of energy. More of a driver than anything, but really did a good job in transition. Can hit some perimeter shots, but not quite an NBA range 3-point shooter. I think he should be a better defender with his athleticism, but he’s done a good job. I think his value is in the fact that he brings energy, athleticism and he can finish plays. He’s just got to play with a little more efficiency. Not turn the ball over, take better shots, things like that.”

On Ferrell:

“Yogi is a smaller guard. He did a very good job, he kept getting better and better, he can shoot it, good leader. Very good job at creating for himself and for others out of pick-and-roll situations. Gets his shot off quickly. He can shoot it off the catch, shoot it off the dribble. Pretty good in isolation. He’s just not got a lot of size. He’s not a superior athlete and he doesn’t have a lot of size. I do not believe he’s going to get drafted. He wasn’t invited to the (draft) combine. I thought he should have been, but he wasn’t and that’s a pretty good indicator that he’s not high enough up on the draft radar. But like I’ve said about other players, he might be better off not getting drafted. Then he can pick where he goes and have a better opportunity to make a team.”

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  • Bill Graham

    I just looked at the recent draft projections and Tyler UIis is projected as a late first round pick. How in the heck does a guy who’s 3 inches shorter than Yogi 20 pounds lighter, who shot 8% lower than Yogi from 3, and 3% lower from the field get drafted instead of Yogi…I understand there is something to be said about the eye test but at some point you have to look at the numbers.

    If Yogi played at Kentucky or Duke he’d be a late first rounder simply due to prestige. Its the same thing for Kay Felder from Oakland and Marcus Paige.

  • inLinE6

    I don’t know who to trust these days.

  • ManovSteelo

    Um, you do know that Ulis won the Bob Cousy Award (best PG), was a First-Team All-American, SEC POY, AND SEC Defensive POY. All Yogi did was garner 1st-Team All-BIG. Love Yogi, but he’s definitely not a better NBA prospect than Ulis. And, barring injury, will likely have the better career.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Bingo! I never trust any scouts or analysts in the NBA. I know Jay is a college analyst but then again he’s not always accurate either. We will see after the draft.

  • Ole Man

    Um, you do know that Ulis is OVERRATED and would not have won those things without being from pUKe and being stroked by the media.

  • Kyl470

    Couldn’t agree more. Also I’ve read about 15 mock drafts. Most of the updated ones don’t have Ulis going in the first round anymore. I’ve read one that even has Yogi getting drafted ahead of Ulis. All these mock drafts are pretty pointless anyways. After the first 3 or 4 picks it’s all a crap shoot.

    But back to your main point. Ulis would not have won all those awards if he played for Vanderbilt. Also the SEC is still not a very good basketball conference.

  • IdahoHoosier

    Do you think when a player like Yogi is so solid for 4 years that the “wow factor” fades? I am convinced his consistency hurt his prospect. No doubt his physical limitations are well documented, but the Ulis comparison is a fair one. Ulis plays one year, at UK (in the weak SEC but highly televised), puts up good numbers, and he is an automatic star. Yogi is so predictably solid it just doesn’t excite after awhile. I’m just as disturbed by this trend as you are Bill.

  • Well, at the very least, CTC developed both players as well as possible. I’ll not say that TW responded as well as Yogi and perhaps focused as closely on what he could improve over the years, but neither kid can say CTC didn’t do his best in their cases.

  • ArghSonOfOhCrap

    Probably so… Didn’t Cody say your penalized for staying?

  • ManovSteelo

    Aw, you guys need to get off Yogi’s dilznits and keep it real. Besides getting screwed by the NBA for a Combine invite, everything he’s gotten, accolades-wise, he’s earned. I’ve seen those mocks you’re talking about, and lemme ask you this: is Ulis still projected to go higher than Yogi, on average? HELL, YEAH! So wonder why that is? Ulis is better, and when you factor in his experience (2L) vs Yogi’s (4L), his accomplishments are even more impressive. Yogi was way too inconsistent this season (no way he should get less than 20 at [email protected] Penn State in a loss), and IU never should have lost that BIG Tourney opener to Michigan — again, less than 20 for the kid. He just didn’t get it done when he needed to — and that includes an embarrassing nationally televised loss to MSU on (Denzel) Valentine’s Day, where Yogi got 9 points to Valentine’s 30 in 4 less minutes. No wonder he wasn’t POY!

    As for the the Vandy comment, that’s just silly. And probably untrue, anyway, despite the foolish conjecture. And didn’t UK beat Duke early in the season? The same Duke team that destroyed IU in Durham in early December? Of course they did.

    And, to be clear: it’s YUK, not “pUKe”, when referring to Kentucky. “PUKE” plays in Durham. As was mentioned earlier. Jesus. See you in the undrafted room.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Tyler is athletic and can finish over bigs at the rim…Yogi not so much

  • HoosierStuckInKY

    Being a good college player doesn’t always translate well to the NBA. A few examples: Adam Morrison, Ed O-Bannon, Jimmer Fredette, Steve Alford, Dee Brown. This is especially true for the relatively shorter players. There’s only been 23 people to play in the NBA under 5’9.” Only 2 of those are active (Thomas & Robinson). 11 of those 23 played 65 games or less. In order for Ulis to have a long-term career in the NBA, he will have to actually get minutes to prove he belongs, which will be hard to come by given his height and level of talent at the PG position. One switch on a pick and roll situation and he could very well be guarding another guard that has 10″ in height and maybe even more in wingspan. I just don’t see Ulis having much of a meaningful career in the NBA. Honestly, I see Ulis, Yogi, and Troy Williams all making a pit stop in the D-League before heading overseas.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    I agree…Steelo.. lol.. Yogi was above average in college but who can he guard in the NBA in pick in roll?… how will he get his jumper off against the length of others?.. he is not athletic enough to blow by guys.. or have the jumping ability to finish over bigs.

  • curtis south

    Well does any one remember a little man named Mark Jackson? Well just incase you dont he played for the Pacers and played VERY well! Wait what? He could’nt have he was only 6’1. O sorry never mind he played like crap!

  • ManovSteelo

    At last! An opinion that actually makes sense! I don’t disagree on your college assessments, though you mentioned players who were all bums from Jump insofar as NBA prospects were concerned. Add JJ Redick to the list, also. Hard to say for the so-called little guys who is going to do well in The League and who isn’t, but that doesn’t stop us from projecting. Ulis can definitely play, and his game translates well to the next level. But physically, he is frightening — especially in weighing 149lbs at the Combine; that’s just not NBA-level weight. He does have a 6’1.5″ wingspan, which, for a 5’9″ guy, is pretty impressive. Tyus Jones and he were the two best PGs in their class (2014), and each had what the other lacked/needed: Jones, the 6’1″ height and weight, and Ulis, the speed and quickness. Cross-pollinate on those two and each would be Top-3 selections instead of potential career backups. This is getting long here, so I will just say you’re right that Yogi and Troy may have to do time in D-Block (the D-League) before becoming NBA players, but Ulis only will if he falls to a team with too many PGs. Honestly, if I’m SAC, I trade the 8th pick for multiple first-round selections (somewhere like BOS or PHI if you can get Noel or Okafor, too), and get Ulis later for more value. Re-ink Rondo to a 3-year max deal with the understanding that he’s out after that, and have Ulis as the backup (after cutting ties with Collison for his domestic violence stuff), where he can start in summer league for 2 seasons and learn under Rondo directly for 3. By then, his body will have matured some at 22 or 23, and Vlade can decide if he’s ready to start then. Ir CHI should take him at 14, where he can apprentice for year under Rose before Rose is dumped in 2017. To me, he does a lot of what Chris Paul does, but is much smaller and much less fiery. The latter may prove to be his undoing, but I think he’ll find a way to get it done, if given a shot.

    And, for the record, I have Yogi pegged as Earl Boykins if he doesn’t change his game, Ty Lawson if he does, and probably a lesser version of BOS’s Isaiah Thomas, if he plays to his considerable potential. Was hoping back in the day that he’d somehow turn into HOF Isiah Thomas someday, but that’s now crazy, wishful thinking. Despite passing the look test in the crimson and cream. He’ll be lucky if BRN takes him at 55.

  • ManovSteelo

    He was 6’3″, actually, and considered a “big guard” for his day.

  • ManovSteelo

    Thanks for the confidence vote. I think his speed and quicks are fine, though his length leaves much to be desired (damn the Combine for not inviting him!). But you’re right: he’s not nearly explosive enough to finish in traffic, and his majority jump-shooting game is nowhere near as good as, say, Mark Price’s way-back-when. He’ll be lucky to be a backup in the NBA, but I hold out hope that LAC drafts him at 33 and sits him behind CP3 for a season. If he changes his game to be more of a penetrator/creator and an overall savvier player, a la Paul, big things could happen for the little guy in a few years. But that’s a big ‘if’.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    The game very different…from Mark Jackson’s time

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    If you can’t feed the post in B1G.. you’re in trouble in the League… lol

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Mark! How are you and the family? Great to hear from you and I hope you are not being affected by the fires in the Pasadena area. Take care.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Hardly anyone from the IU 76 and 87 team did well in the NBA either. Good point HoosierStuckinKentucky!

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Yogi did very well in the paint for four years. I get your point about Ulis but Yogi is better than him.

  • We’re doing fine, thanks. Hope the same with you and yours. Nope, the Pasadena fires aren’t affecting us, but with this heat and complete lack of humidity there are fires popping up all over the place. So much fun! 🙂

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Again, all my best to you. Take care and great to hear from you.

  • You too! Can’t wait for the season to start…

  • Bill Graham

    He’s 5-9.

  • Bill Graham

    Good points all around.

  • Bill Graham

    The numbers (including height and weight don’t lie). And I wrote a detailed post about Ulis being vastly overrated in comparison to Yogi, Felder, Moody, etc. If you’re an NBA coach you’re telling you want 5 foot 9, 34% from the 3pt, 160 pound Tyler Ulis running the point instead of Yogi? Get out of here.

  • Bill Graham

    Now thats a solid post. I disagree completely with Yogi not making a good pro player. BUT you supporting your opinions with stats rather than just saying, “Well Ulis is better because he can finish at the rim”……ok prove it. You did you supported your opinions. Well done.

  • Bill Graham

    Lets see “Yogi didn’t get it done when he needed too.” ?????
    He’s IU’s all time leader in assists and averaged over 17 points a game? And secondly no one says diznits on ITH. Grow up and start supporting your opinions with facts.

  • Bill Graham

    blasphemous. Go back to the Purdue or Kentucky forums.

  • Donnie Vick

    Yeah that Cousy Award was garbage. Just got it because he had UK on his shirt. Dunn’s the best PG but played for Providence. Had Yogi started the year leading the team the way he ended it, he’d received more awards and a higher draft status. I do remember when Yogi played Ulis. And we know how that turned out!

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    These forums used to have Hoosier/ basketball fans… now just Homers.

  • ManovSteelo

    Sure, I’ll go — with Ulis. Meanwhile, Billy, while you evangelize the Gospel of Yogi, make sure it’s published in different languages in that first edition, cuz you’re gonna need it — wherever the hell overseas Yogi ends up after his 2d-Round / Undrafted contract isn’t guaranteed in Year 2.

    Spreche sie Stupid?

    Billy Graham sure does.

  • ManovSteelo

    Agreed Dunn should have gotten the Cousy. But the UK / IU game just gave Yogi the chance to play UNC — which, like the game Providence played in the Round of 32, turned out — well, we know how that turned out!

    Great defense by Yogi on the formerly struggling Marcus Paige, btw. And people wonder how Paige got a Combine invite while Yogi didn’t.

    Right.

  • Missing Moye

    I get to use that new block user feature WAY sooner than I anticipated!

  • Ole Man

    You’re new on these boards.
    But you’re coming across as a Kentucky troll.

  • Ole Man

    And you think Ulis will somehow be better?
    ROFL!!

  • ManovSteelo

    Thanks for the heads-up — not my intent at all. I’ve probably been a Yogi follower longer than anyone on here, and now have to figure out if I want to still rock the #11 jersey tee after this summer, being that a freshman (De’Ron Davis, I think?) will be wearing the number. Maybe I’ll still wear it for Isiah….

    That said, never been a fan of UK’s. But I’m a fan of Ulis’s. Pure PG who, in spite of his size, put the hurt on folks this year, and dominated his position IMO — only Kris Dunn was really in his tier as a PG. As an NBA prospect, there’s no way he’s worse than the #2 PG (Dunn is #1, of course) — and Yogi, God Bless ‘im, isn’t #3. Even on an IU Basketball msg board. All this “prove them wrong” talk that people are saying Yogi has to do is ridiculous. Do you know how hard it is to change your game, break yourself down, and build yourself back up? As a PG, especially? To my knowledge, only the Trailblazers’ Terry Porter (6’3″ CENTER in HS) and Chauncey Billups have been able to do that — out if the entire bunch. Will Yogi be the 3rd? Odds are: HELL, NO! As I’ve said previously, his floor as-is (right now) is Earl Boykins; if he improves significantly he can be at a Ty Lawson level (pre-alcoholism), and if he maxes his talent and/or takes NZT (“Limitless” fan), he could get to BOS’s Isaiah Thomas’s level as a player (and he was drafted #60). There’s a reason he didn’t get to the Combine, and I don’t think he will disprove that. I’ve always said he has first-rounder skills, but not the game to match. With his ability, as a SENIOR, there’s no way somebody like Denzel Valentine or McIntosh at NW should be getting more APG than he was getting. And once Blackman went down, the scoring should have been over 20, at least. Part of it was Crean’s system, but part of it was Yogi. But we’ll soon see.

    If he’s a bust in Summer League, then the writing’s on the wall — particularly if he goes to a team that just plays in ORL’s league (Vegas league is much better). I hope I’m wrong, but after recently winning a bet that the CAVS would win the Finals, I’m definitely sticking to my gut with my assessments on Ulis and Yogi.

    Namaste.

  • adam

    itt: berate people who have opinions that don’t match yours

  • MarkHoltzHoosier

    uhhh, didn’t IU beat Kentucky?

    In that match, Ulis took 20 shots to get 27 points, 3 assists, 0 rebounds, 2 steals and 4 turnovers in 39 minutes.
    Ferrell took 13 shots to get 18 points, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 0 steals and 1 turnover in 37

    Not adding commentary, those are facts.

  • Kyl470

    You must live to troll. Very respectable. You mention that UK beat Duke and Duke beat IU. Guess you forgot that IU and UK actually played each other and IU won. Also where is the undrafted room that we are going to see each other at?

  • adam

    shun the non-believers. shuuunnnnnnnnnn

  • marcusgresham

    At less than 150 lbs. there’s no way he’s strong enough to guard virtually anyone in the NBA. Nor is he strong enough to withstand any contact and manage to get through it. Ferrell may not be much taller but he is at least strong.

  • ManovSteelo

    Sure did.

    And, yes: Ulis was outplayed by Yogi in that game, to be sure. That’s a fact.

    But Yogi definitely didn’t have a better season than Ulis individually, and even team-wise (for starters, UK won both the SEC outright AND their conference tourney) — unless you count advancing one round, only to lose convincingly to the National Runner-Up, a good time.

    And, fact is, Yogi is not nearly as highly regarded in NBA circles as is Ulis — even with Ulis’s “hip issue”. It’s up to both to make NBA careers for themselves, but given the stats (physical and otherwise), Ulis is the better prospect and will likely have the better career.

  • ManovSteelo

    No disagreement there. But remove the weight issue, and no way Yogi is better than Ulis — based on stats, skill set or otherwise. Unfair that Yogi didn’t get the Combine invite he deserved; we could then compare physical measurements and have a better picture of the two. But if your argument is based solely on weight, what happens if Ulis sits for two years, gets up to, say,170 or more via training and natural maturation (after all, he would be a rising college junior), and has the same kind of game he’s been praised for by scouts and NBA folk?

  • ManovSteelo

    IU beat UK. And?? . . . .

    . . . . They lost in the next round to UNC. No one guards the prior-struggling Marcus Paige (hello, Yogi!), who makes at least 5 3’s in a row, on his way to 21 pts, 6 asts, 0 TO’s in 27 minutes (versus Yogi’s 25 and 4 in 36 minutes). Nothing to do with Ulis, mind you, but even in the UNC loss, Yogi came up statistically short. Again.

    As for the undrafted room — you’ll have to ask Yogi, actually. He’ll know “where the party at.”

    Seriously, though: there’s no way he’s going over Ulis, and Ulis certainly will be drafted. Before Paige, maybe. But not Ulis.

    Let the uphill battle to secure a roster spot begin!

  • IULore

    You’re objectively wrong though. Yogi blew by Ullis multiple times in the UK game, as well as his whole career.

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Again ..Homers are caught up on Ullis ..I don’t care about him or Kentucky… just being objective. .. the chances of him facing a 69 inch guy is slim

  • Koko

    I like Yogi in a Lakers uniform. They have tried everything else, they might as well give Yogi a go…..they have nothing to lose at this point.