At the Buzzer: Indiana 83, St. John’s 73

  • 11/24/2015 4:05 pm in

A few quick thoughts on Indiana’s 83-73 win over St. John’s in the Maui Jim Maui Invitational:

How it happened: It wasn’t pretty, but Indiana bounced back from Monday’s 82-78 loss to Wake Forest by grinding out a win over St. John’s. The Red Storm shouldn’t be confused with a competent high major team given the fact that they were coming off a 37-point beatdown at the hands of Vanderbilt, but it was a win nonetheless for the Hoosiers. After leading by as many as 17 in the first half, Indiana let St. John’s get as close as six with 1:53 to play before closing out the win.

Standout performer: Yogi Ferrell scored a game-high 22 points and added seven assists and four rebounds in 36 minutes. Ferrell hit 9-of-10 free throws, 6-of-12 from the floor, but also had three turnovers.

Statistic that stands out: When Indiana wasn’t turning it over, the Hoosiers shot it well in this one. Indiana finished the game with an effective field goal percentage of 65.4.

Number that needs work: It’s been an issue all month for Indiana and the Hoosiers continued the trend on Tuesday by coughing it up 16 times for a turnover percentage of 23.5. St John’s scored 25 points off of those turnovers.

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  • Hardwood83

    My bubble has officially burst. I was too disgusted from yesterday’s embarrassing debacle to even watch today. Appears I made the right choice based on the uninspiring result.
    Lots of specifics- but the gist of last nights game was that Wake wanted it more. IU played flat, stupid and weak and got thoroughly dismantled by an average team.
    I’ll eventually get over it, but what a monumental disappointment Maui has been.

  • inLinE6

    Why didn’t OG get on floor?

  • BruceA

    Kind of the same here. I could have taken off work and watched today but chose not to because of last night’s game. I will get over it too.

  • Ben thorne

    25 pts off 16 turnovers and missed a ton of free throws. I’m not sure what else we could have tried to give it away.

    Get back to the mainland and figure out how to play the way you are capable of playing.

  • SCHoosier

    Don’t know who that Balamou kid was on St Johns..but he was one of the best one on one players I’ve seen in a while. Rob J was in his shrots (most of the time) and the kid still ate us alive in the second half. Last night it was the tit was turnovers. St John’s must have gotten 30 pts off our TO’s. How many times did our guards (Blackmon in particular) throw a pass to a spot where there was no IU player. These kids had little offensive Chemistry the second half..didn’t know where each other were on the court.etc. First half..give them credit..if the deal was to feed TB..they did that…Jay Williams said post game “sometimes fundamentally IU looks like they don’t have a clue defensively.” Maui has been an eye opener on this team..and what I’m seeing is very concerning.

  • spe317

    I’m worried the loss to Wake has dealt a blow to their ego. I miss seeing a basketball team that looked like they enjoyed playing together. Not sure I can say that about this group. I understand they probably had a rather animated coach but they just don’t look like they’re comfortable one another/trust each other.

  • SCHoosier

    Not sure..but right now he and Morgan are walking liabilities..especially on d and TO’s.. Long way from being able to contribute IMO.

  • Hardwood83

    Imagine those poor schlepps that actually paid to go to the game in Hawaii! They would have been better off watching some pick-up games at the Y. Would have been better defense and intensity…. sheesh.

  • Miamihoosier

    Another poor performance. St John’s lost by 40 yesterday, and we have to squeak it out against them. Robert Johnson’s defense was embarrassing. His free throw shooting- awful. If Indiana beats UNLV, they fly home…..if they lose, the players should take a cargo ship, and Tom Crean should have to swim back.

  • Team looked a little shaken, hopefully something sank in last night/this morning. Troy was mostly in control but they also sometimes looked a little tentative, including on offense. I hope they got tore down hard from the bad loss and are now in the process of rebuilding a stronger team.

  • Brett Robinson

    Thank god I stuck to my gut and didn’t watch. I’m not even a little mad right now. 🙂

  • So_Cal_Hoosier

    No.. I think I’d rather still be in Hawaii.

  • BMusic

    I didn’t think his defense was that bad. The vast majority of those second-half buckets he gave up were well-defended.

  • IU Hoosiers # 34, 1979-83

    Hardwood83, Seth Greenberg and Jay Williams after the game said exactly what you stated. Let’s hope this trainwreck gets back on track.

  • I saw something like this, too. I think they ended it on a positive note. The crowd was behind them in a good way, and I think they absolutely noticed that support. Particularly in the final minute. Let’s hope they just hit bottom and are now moving in another direction.

  • BMusic

    Wow. I can’t imagine refusing to watch a game because of a bad loss. Them’s my Hoosiers, win or lose!

  • So_Cal_Hoosier

    Not the whooping I think we were all expecting. This team needs to find its identity, FAST!

  • SilentBob

    Defense was alright in the first half, but we let them get to the bucket wayyy to easily in the second half. Got to have a desire to get stops. As coach Pop would say, “I want some nasty!”

  • Yeah, I caught that, too. I think it was a thoughtful critique of IU. I always get the sense that those guys generally like the team and want them to play more to their potential. So their analyses were on point and deserved.

  • IUJeff

    Not sure these kids realize the opportunity they are being afforded playing at IU.

    The walk-ons of Creans first years played harder. And that is not even debatable.

    More sloppy low IQ ball. Sad. And Greenberg is a total Crean apologist. Good thing Jay Williams is there to pee in his koolaid.

  • twarrior87

    Even though it was win I’m still disappointed in the performance. You’d think after losing to WF yesterday they would come out with a chip on their shoulder today and pound SJU. Yet, they still tried to give this one away. I’m not sure what to expect anymore, but my excitement for this season has been extremely lowered after the last two days.

  • inLinE6

    Have to watch the film, but I remember the last two drives of yesterday’s game were defended by Johnson. He was half a step slower and gave up too much space. Crean put him there because he was arguably the best perimeter defender already on this team.

  • so you don’t watch the game and come here to tell everyone that you have no idea what you’re talking about, concerning the game itself?

  • as you no doubt did not see, the crowd there was pretty strong and looked happy at the end of the game. they were supportive of the team until the end. Also, they’re now in Maui.

  • Hardwood83

    You have more character than I do! After the matador defense last night I wanted to strangle a puppy.

  • cooper

    Turnovers, bad defenses and failing to close out teams….this all seems very familiar.

  • they looked a little wounded, overall.

  • IUJeff

    This is not a good team right now. And they know it. Hopefully they start to represent IU in a better way. Players can still choose to play hard even if they are poorly coached.

    The ONE thing you have control over in any facet of life, is the effort you put forth. So man up IU players!

  • rich

    These defensive issues. . Is it that these players are physically incapable of staying with their man? Is it an effort issue? Is it a state of mind problem? Is it a coaching issue? A combination of things? I can’t figure it out.

  • emohiohoosier

    Yogi played better today but the last eight minutes started to look just like yesterdays game. I thought, oh no here we go again.
    Again our guards can’t guard anybody, Yogi included, Johnson’s
    man took him to the basket 4 straight times and scored each time.
    Johnson never stopped him once and couldn’t score at the other end.

  • rich

    Love this team but it’s frustrating seeing the same glaring issues year after year. Defense, rebounding, and turnovers. There is a major disconnect somewhere. I’m just glad it’s early and we got the win today. But I’m worlds way from how I felt after Creighton game. .

  • emohiohoosier

    One word – “Coaching”, if it was a player issue, it wouldn’t be the whole
    team. I don’t think Tom understands defense. Also no one blocks out.
    The basics are somehow getting lost or not being taught. It surely doesn’t make any sense. I wonder what they work on in practice everyday??

  • inadvertentelbows_stillhurt

    Jeff Goodman [email protected] 43m43 minutes ago
    NBA guy in Maui on Indiana: “They do play hard on defense. Just not well. Not sound on ball, crap rotations, not a single stopper in group.”…..

  • PBzeer

    2 seasons ago, it was we didn’t have shooters. Then last season, no big man. This season we have both, and still the same kind of results. We still turn the ball over too often, and too often it’s simply poor decisions. Our defense is still largely porous, And the last five minutes of the game is still mostly a bad movie.

    I’m not sure how anybody who watched these two games can still think we were ranked too low, preseason. Nor given our history under Crean, how anyone can expect much team growth, in season.

  • rich

    Agreed. I always felt that in today’s college game the team that is most fundamentally sound will have the advantage. At this level, if a shot goes up and you don’t put a body on someone then something’s wrong. What do they do in practice? Good question. Keeping track of deflections. How about keeping track of how many times a player is beat off the dribble and blown by into the lane.

  • RDD#76

    That’s why Brown loss was big a defensive minded player is what this team needs

  • BMusic

    I thought they did come out with a chip on their shoulder. And I thought, “we’re going to put on a clinic and it’s going to be wasted on a team we should pummel anyway.” And then the chip fell off.

  • BMusic

    You forgot to say “Plain and simple.” Don’t posts like this always end with “Plain and simple?”

    I think it’s a leap to claim they play with no pride. I think they just don’t play smart.

  • CreamandCrimson

    At the very least, I thought IU did a better job of keeping the opponent outside of the paint. The offense was strangely out of sync and the free throw shooting (mainly Johnson) was very poor. Make our free throws as we typically do and it’s a 15-20 point breezer. I was glad adjustments were made to the lineup and they got off to a 12-4 start so it sort of worked. I wish the emphasis on getting Bryant the ball would have continued because they couldn’t handle him. In my opinion, this was a small step forward overall. Very small step, yes, but a step forward nonetheless. UNLV is a good team that should have beaten UCLA last night. That’ll be a very interesting test and it will tell me a lot about the current state of things. I’m looking forward to seeing what happens. Go Hoosiers.

  • CreamandCrimson

    I mean, Williams compared IU to the Golden State Warriors just yesterday so…well, I just don’t put much stock in their words I guess 🙂


    The big man thing was a scapegoat last year. The real problem was our guards inability to contain dribble penetration. We still have the same issue. No big man in the world can fix that issue. I’ve been saying that since the Eastern Washington loss last year.

  • Kyl470

    Honestly the turnovers bother me more than the defense. The fact is the players that make up this roster are not good individual defenders. Everyone on this team can shoot, but only about two of them can stay in front of the man they are guarding. The defense just isn’t going to be great. The best we can hope for is slightly below average. Our offense is going to have to make up for our inability on defense. We have good shooters so we have to limit the turnovers so we can get up as many shots as possible.

  • IUJeff

    You claimed that. Not me.

  • IUJeff

    Not sure. But he did not look happy.

  • BMusic

    Alright. I thought I was distilling the sum total of “not understanding the opportunity” and therefore “not playing hard enough.”

  • BeatDuke

    Saw Remy Abbel playing great defense for XavierX the other night (he was all over the place) . Sigh.

  • BeatDuke

    I’m probably late to this, but have we all seen the now deleted tweet from Troy Williams mom about getting the Fxxk out of IU (something about not starting)?

  • twarrior87

    no, what are you talking about?

  • twarrior87

    Nevermind just googled it.

  • straight no chaser

    I said it before: limit Troy to 1 turnover, and he’s a 6-8 ppg guy. And that’s good. Of course, he had 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, and only 1 foul. Troy should quit obsessing with drive after drive to the rim. He should only drive when he is 95% sure he will arrive safely and with results. This will get him in better situations to play a measured game of fundamentals and to pass wisely. At turnover #2, he gets pine and studies the game as a spectator.

    Same for Blackmon: pine time after at turnover #2.

    I don’t really care if we win or lose with this strategy, because in the long run it teaches us that team play comes first, and that has to be a winning strategy. I’m patient as a fan.